Noob Mage Advice

Monday, 20th March 2017, 04:19 by 1158511

So you've beaten the game so many times you're just lurking on the forums.... excellent! I've gotten a lot of great advice from the forum as far as my mage build goes. So once again I ask what could I do better, especially heading into midgame? Specifically my skilling. For example Can I just fireball everything into oblivion into zot? Current Char Below. (Please ignore the choice of Qazlal as a caster god.... I sincerely regret it).

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (webtiles) character file. 1158511 the Devastator (High Elf Air Elementalist) Turns: 48678, Time: 04:53:30 Health: 99/101 AC: 16 Str: 7 XL: 16 Next: 10% Magic: 42/42 EV: 12 Int: 28 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 2671 SH: 8 Dex: 15 Spells: 9 memorised, 6 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis + H - staff of fire rCold . . . Gourm . f - +5 ring mail of Responsibility {Stlth+} rNeg . . . Faith . (no shield) rPois + Spirit . R - +2 hat rElec . Reflect . (no cloak) rCorr . Harm . W - +2 pair of gloves MR +.... t - +0 pair of boots Stlth +......... E - amulet of magic regeneration r - ring of magical power Y - ring of poison resistance @: repel missiles A: see invisible a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion You are on level 1 of the Snake Pit. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 27 of its levels. You have collected 2757 gold pieces. You have spent 86 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons q - a +4 dagger M - a +0 short sword of electrocution Armour f - the +5 ring mail of Responsibility (worn) {Stlth+} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) It makes you more stealthy. t - a +0 pair of boots (worn) w - a +0 ring mail of fire resistance z - a +2 robe of magic resistance R - a +2 hat (worn) W - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) Magical Staves F - an uncursed staff of death H - an uncursed staff of fire (weapon) Jewellery i - a +4 ring of evasion p - a scratched ruby ring r - a ring of magical power (right hand) E - an amulet of magic regeneration (around neck) J - the ring of Litudgh {rCorr *Drain Str+4 Dex+3} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) [ring of resist corrosion] It affects your strength (+4). It affects your dexterity (+3). It causes draining when unequipped. Y - a ring of poison resistance (left hand) Scrolls g - 11 scrolls of remove curse h - 7 scrolls of amnesia l - a scroll of fear C - a scroll of blinking I - 7 scrolls of identify K - 2 scrolls of magic mapping O - 2 scrolls of enchant armour Q - 2 scrolls of teleportation X - 3 scrolls of fog Potions a - 9 potions of curing j - 6 potions of heal wounds k - 7 potions of might m - a glowing green potion n - a black potion v - 2 potions of cancellation x - 2 potions of mutation A - 3 potions of resistance B - a potion of agility D - 2 inky potions G - 3 potions of flight N - 5 potions of berserk rage S - 2 potions of beneficial mutation T - a potion of haste U - a glowing pink potion V - a lumpy pink potion Books b - a book of Air Spells Type Level a - Shock Conjuration/Air 1 b - Swiftness Charms/Air 2 c - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 d - Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 e - Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 e - a book of Dreams Spells Type Level a - Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 b - Silence Hexes/Air 5 c - Darkness Hexes 6 d - Shadow Creatures Summoning 6 y - the Papyrus of Confrontation and Intoxication (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) Spells Type Level a - Sting Conjuration/Poison 1 b - Throw Flame Conjuration/Fire 2 c - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 d - Orb of Destruction Conjuration 7 L - a book of Flames Spells Type Level a - Flame Tongue Conjuration/Fire 1 b - Throw Flame Conjuration/Fire 2 c - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 d - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 e - Sticky Flame Conjuration/Fire 4 f - Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 Comestibles c - 11 bread rations o - 10 meat rations s - a slice of pizza P - 3 fruits Skills: - Level 6.3 Fighting - Level 1.2 Short Blades - Level 6.0 Dodging - Level 2.1 Stealth - Level 12.6 Spellcasting - Level 19.5 Conjurations + Level 12.7 Fire Magic - Level 12.6 Air Magic + Level 6.1 Invocations You have 6 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Shock Conj/Air #### 0% 1 None b - Static Discharge Conj/Air #######. 1% 3 None c - Swiftness Chrm/Air ######.. 1% 2 None d - Lightning Bolt Conj/Air #######... 1% 5 ##..... e - Fireball Conj/Fire ########.. 1% 5 ##..... f - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ######## 1% 3 None g - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire ######## 1% 4 None h - Iskenderun's Mystic Conj #######. 1% 4 None i - Orb of Destruction Conj #######... 3% 7 ######. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (6/6) D:8 Swamp (1/4) Lair:3 Snake (1/4) Lair:2 Slime (0/5) Lair:5 Orc (2/2) D:10 Elf (1/3) Orc:2 Vaults (0/5) D:13 Depths (0/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:5 (? D:6 ! D:8 ! D:10 ( D:11 ( D:15 }} Orc:1 [ Orc:2 [[(( Annotations: D:4 exclusion: statue D:10 exclusion: oklob plant Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) Message History The bolt of lightning hits the black mamba. You kill the black mamba! Qazlal accepts your kill. The bolt of lightning hits the black mamba. The black mamba is almost dead. The bolt of lightning hits the black mamba. You kill the black mamba! Qazlal accepts your kill. You hear a shout! You hear an angry hiss. You hear an angry hiss. You see here a flail. You hear an angry hiss. You see here a mace of crushing. You start resting. Magic restored. You start resting. You are feeling very hungry. You start eating one of the 4 fruits. 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Vanquished Creatures Gastronok (Lair:1) 2 orc warlords The ghost of Doop the Severer, a journeyman DDFi of Makhleb (Lair:5) The ghost of taxman66 the Unseen, a journeyman KoGl of Hepliaklqana (Orc:2) Erolcha (D:12) The ghost of Bananafish1988 the Grappler, a journeyman DrMo of Makhleb (Lair:2) 3 naga warriors (Snake:1) A rakshasa (D:12) 8 hydras 3 centaur warriors An anaconda (Snake:1) The ghost of Kareck the Thaumaturge, a journeyman GrEE of Vehumet (D:11) The ghost of rosewood the Ducker, a journeyman KoBe of Trog (D:11) An ogre mage (D:13) 2 orc high priests (Orc:2) 3 naga sharpshooters (Snake:1) Sonja (D:12) 2 salamander mystics (Snake:1) 5 unseen horrors A glowing orange brain (D:15) 2 wizards Pikel (D:5) 4 orc knights 5 hill giants An orc sorcerer (Orc:1) A deep elf mage (D:12) 4 salamanders (Snake:1) A wolf spider zombie (D:11) 2 mana vipers (Snake:1) A manticore (D:15) 9 elephants 2 wolf spiders 8 ugly things 2 cyclopes (D:15) 4 centaur zombies A black mamba (shapeshifter) (D:15) The ghost of cobaltphoenix the Magician, a novice GrWz (D:6) 18 black mambas A guardian serpent (Lair:6) 2 naga magi (Snake:1) A torpor snail (Lair:2) 16 spiny frogs 5 centaur skeletons 8 komodo dragons 2 rime drakes A polar bear (Lair:3) 12 trolls 4 hornets A tyrant leech (Lair:3) 5 two-headed ogres 16 blink frogs 9 slime creatures 3 hippogriffs 3 dream sheep 2 redbacks (Lair:6) A wraith (D:11) 3 shadows 3 spriggans Sigmund (D:5) 44 yaks A vampire (D:13) 2 hogs (shapeshifter) A human (shapeshifter) (D:15) 2 hungry ghosts 3 basilisks 8 wyverns 3 mottled dragons 4 wargs A soldier ant (D:12) 2 swamp worms (Lair:3) 10 nagas 20 water moccasins 3 slaves 25 porcupines 3 eyes of draining 3 sky beasts 4 black bears 2 necrophages 45 orc warriors 5 ice beasts 4 phantoms 12 ogres 29 wolves 26 centaurs 12 crocodiles 10 big kobolds 13 bullfrogs 2 wyvern zombies A gnoll sergeant (D:7) 7 scorpions A wyvern skeleton (D:6) 69 killer bees 19 wights 3 howler monkeys 3 jellies 7 crimson imps A quasit (D:9) A wyvern simulacrum (D:14) A bullfrog zombie (D:6) 8 hounds 6 bullfrog skeletons 30 orc priests 24 orc wizards 6 iguanas 17 worker ants A hound zombie (D:10) 3 hound skeletons A worker ant zombie (D:5) 14 gnolls A howler monkey zombie (D:8) 2 river rats (D:8) 26 adders A shadow imp (D:10) 2 oozes A worm (D:5) An adder skeleton (D:4) 3 dart slugs 10 leopard geckos 156 orcs 3 ball pythons 10 bats 7 giant cockroaches 10 goblins 9 hobgoblins 10 jackals 57 kobolds 8 quokkas 5 frilled lizards A leopard gecko zombie (D:7) 3 quokka skeletons 7 rats 3 bushes 40 fungi 32 plants 1136 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A slave (D:5) 2 bushes 19 fungi 29 plants 51 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1187 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | 1158511 the High Elf Air Elementalist began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 4/4 440 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/17 MP: 1/6 682 | D:1 | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations 882 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 21/21 MP: 3/7 1947 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 2241 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 2304 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Static Discharge 2386 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 27/27 MP: 4/8 2395 | D:3 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 2465 | D:3 | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations 2851 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2851 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2857 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2861 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2906 | D:3 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 3213 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 31/31 MP: 3/9 3512 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3642 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 3642 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations 3878 | D:4 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 3878 | D:4 | Noticed a charred statue 4002 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4002 | D:5 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 4002 | D:5 | Found Volosch's Magic Scroll Shop. 4015 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 4016 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 4016 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 4399 | D:5 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 36/36 MP: 4/10 4520 | D:5 | Noticed a sky beast 4575 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 4590 | D:5 | Noticed a sky beast 4738 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 5315 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 5707 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 14/41 MP: 5/11 5935 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations 6765 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 6833 | D:5 | Found Guvo's Antique Weapon Shop. 6935 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations 6935 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 46/46 MP: 2/12 7482 | D:6 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 7521 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 7521 | D:6 | Found Axtys's Distillery. 7522 | D:6 | Noticed cobaltphoenix's ghost (novice GrWz) 7827 | D:5 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lightning Bolt 7895 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces 8222 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 8222 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Conjurations 8938 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8939 | D:6 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 8947 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 9125 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Qazlal Stormbringer 9350 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Air Magic 9387 | D:5 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 9705 | D:5 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 51/51 MP: 8/17 9853 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 10015 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 10312 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Conjurations 10350 | D:6 | Bought a potion of curing for 30 gold pieces 10350 | D:6 | Bought a potion of curing for 30 gold pieces 11307 | D:7 | Reached * piety under Qazlal 12201 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 12582 | D:8 | Reached ** piety under Qazlal 12644 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations 12708 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 51/56 MP: 8/18 13177 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 13472 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13600 | D:8 | Got a flickering steel ring 13603 | D:8 | Identified the ring of Litudgh {rCorr *Drain Str+4 Dex+3} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 13730 | D:8 | Found Ocvuhou's Distillery. 14352 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Conjurations 15237 | D:9 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 15293 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Qazlal 15306 | D:9 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 15663 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 16054 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 16083 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 65/65 MP: 1/22 16371 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 16619 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 16772 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic 17007 | D:10 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 17019 | D:10 | Noticed an oklob plant 17341 | D:10 | Found Eme Isku's Weapon Shop. 17940 | D:10 | Noticed an unseen horror 17943 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 17978 | D:10 | Reached **** piety under Qazlal 18560 | D:10 | Learned a level 5 spell: Fireball 18570 | D:10 | Noticed an unseen horror 18579 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 19090 | D:10 | Reached skill level 12 in Conjurations 19482 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 20009 | D:11 | Noticed rosewood's ghost (journeyman KoBe) 20181 | D:6 | Killed cobaltphoenix's ghost 21392 | D:11 | Killed rosewood's ghost 21638 | D:11 | Noticed Kareck's ghost (journeyman GrEE) 21863 | D:11 | Killed Kareck's ghost 21863 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 22229 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 22437 | D:11 | Found Zethrit's Weapon Shop. 22892 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 23050 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 23155 | D:12 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 71/77 MP: 14/23 23426 | D:12 | Reached ***** piety under Qazlal 23581 | D:11 | Reached skill level 13 in Conjurations 24243 | D:12 | Noticed Erolcha 24430 | D:12 | Killed Erolcha 25098 | D:12 | Noticed a rakshasa 25273 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 25660 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 14 in Conjurations 26078 | Lair:1 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 26078 | Lair:1 | Identified the Papyrus of Confrontation and Intoxication (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 26410 | Lair:1 | Noticed Gastronok 26989 | Lair:1 | Killed Gastronok 27247 | Lair:2 | Noticed Bananafish1988's ghost (journeyman DrMo) 27403 | Lair:2 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 27434 | Lair:2 | Killed a six-headed hydra 27582 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 84/84 MP: 18/27 27996 | Lair:2 | Killed Bananafish1988's ghost 27996 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Conjurations 28272 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 28350 | Lair:2 | Got a warped ring mail 28370 | Lair:2 | Identified the +5 ring mail of Responsibility {Stlth+} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 28708 | Lair:2 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 30408 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 30948 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 16 in Conjurations 31194 | Lair:4 | Reached ****** piety under Qazlal 31813 | Lair:4 | Gained mutation: You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) [potion of beneficial mutation] 32622 | Lair:5 | Noticed Doop's ghost (journeyman DDFi) 33193 | Lair:5 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 33193 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 33478 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 34144 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 57/90 MP: 22/30 34576 | Lair:5 | Killed Doop's ghost 34744 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 17 in Conjurations 36857 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Fire Magic 37192 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 37519 | Orc:1 | Noticed an orc warlord 37691 | D:12 | Noticed Sonja 37740 | D:12 | Killed Sonja 38140 | D:12 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 38291 | D:12 | Reached skill level 18 in Conjurations 38969 | D:13 | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 39394 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 39622 | D:12 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 81/95 MP: 25/31 39689 | D:12 | Learned a level 7 spell: Orb of Destruction 41260 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 41527 | D:15 | Found Linu Saq's Gadget Shop. 41845 | D:15 | Found Dyopamimuo's Gadget Boutique. 42428 | D:15 | Reached skill level 19 in Conjurations 42896 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 43241 | D:10 | Killed an orc warlord 43669 | Orc:1 | Found Erehekh's Armour Emporium. 43670 | Orc:1 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 43881 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 44090 | Orc:2 | Noticed taxman66's ghost (journeyman KoGl) 44229 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 44345 | Orc:1 | Killed an orc warlord 44751 | Orc:2 | Killed taxman66's ghost 45049 | Orc:2 | Found Dist's Antique Weapon Shop. 45049 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 45050 | Orc:2 | Found Qesinwit's Antique Armour Boutique. 45173 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 45258 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 45568 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 45578 | Orc:2 | Found Eleilosa's Antique Armour Shoppe. 45682 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46033 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46040 | Orc:2 | Found Viehucw's Weapon Emporium. 46112 | Orc:2 | Upgraded the game from 0.19.1 to 0.19.1-1-g22dce08 46419 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46460 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46665 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 46847 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 47271 | Lair:3 | Upgraded the game from 0.19.1-1-g22dce08 to 0.19.5 47330 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 48015 | Snake:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 48162 | Snake:1 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 93/101 MP: 13/33 Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 | ---------------+-------------------------------------------------+----- Air Magic | 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 | 12.6 Conjurations | 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 14 16 18 19 | 19.5 Short Blades | 1 | 1.2 Spellcasting | 4 5 6 9 11 12 | 12.6 Dodging | 5 6 | 6.0 Fighting | 2 5 6 | 6.3 Invocations | 1 4 5 6 | 6.1 Fire Magic | 5 6 7 11 12 | 12.7 Stealth | | 2.1 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++----- -- Melee: Short sword | 8 | | 9 | 44 | | || 61 Dagger | | | 22 | 9 | | || 31 Staff | | | | 26 | 141 | 3 || 170 Cast: Shock | 81 | 103 | 364 | 668 | 493 | || 1709 Swiftness | | 6 | 5 | 9 | 17 | || 37 Static Discharge | | 1 | 16 | 87 | 174 | || 278 Lightning Bolt | | | 2 | 14 | 58 | 2 || 76 Repel Missiles | | | | 3 | | || 3 Conjure Flame | | | | 17 | 25 | 2 || 44 Sticky Flame | | | | 55 | 100 | 2 || 157 Fireball | | | | 25 | 146 | 14 || 185 Iskenderun's Myst | | | | | 222 | 3 || 225 Orb of Destructio | | | | | 3 | || 3 Invok: Upheaval | | | | | 1 | || 1 Use: Scroll | | 10 | 6 | 12 | 13 | || 41 Potion | | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | || 6 Eat: Chunk | 4 | 8 | 6 | 23 | 58 | 1 || 100 Meat ration | | 1 | 1 | 2 | | || 4 Bread ration | | | 3 | 6 | 1 | || 10 Royal jelly | | | | 1 | | || 1 Fruit | | | | | 15 | 2 || 17 Beef jerky | | | | | 4 | || 4 Armor: Robe | 3 | 9 | 32 | 98 | 5 | || 147 Ring mail | | | | | 183 | 1 || 184 Dodge: Dodged | 10 | 26 | 114 | 323 | 360 | 2 || 835 Deflected | | | | 31 | 25 | 3 || 59 Block: Other | | | 3 | 89 | 215 | 4 ||

Monday, 20th March 2017, 04:23 by bel

Your spells are ok. Train more fighting and dodging. It's too early to start worrying about Zot.

Put on the ring to identify it. Use your identify scrolls on your potions.

You seem to be not carrying any wands or other evokables. Haven't found any so far?

Monday, 20th March 2017, 04:53 by 1158511

I don't use wands.... ever? Unless they are healing/hasting or I'm a melee character and I'm just spamming something dangerous. Probably a good idea for when I run out of mana but I feel like they lose their power fairly quickly. Do you train evoc to use wands regularly?

Also maybe to edit what's your simplified skilling tree? ie fire magic to 20 then yadda yadda. I just spam whatever skill my starting book is with the minimal amount of spell casting necessary to cast the level 4-5 spell. Then things get a little hazy and I die.

Isn't there some way to pull up morgues of other peoples winning characters? That would probably be the best answer as far as what to do in the mid game

And why on earth did I go into to Elf so early/at all?? That was a bad life decision.

Monday, 20th March 2017, 08:43 by Sprucery

1158511 wrote:I don't use wands.... ever? Unless they are healing/hasting or I'm a melee character and I'm just spamming something dangerous. Probably a good idea for when I run out of mana but I feel like they lose their power fairly quickly. Do you train evoc to use wands regularly?

Wands of acid, iceblast and lightning are good to carry for doing damage. Wands of enslavement, paralysis, confusion, and slowing are great against low-MR targets (also polymorph if you know what you're doing). Just train a little bit Evo (like 5) for wands.

But then there are misc evokables, especially phantom mirror, box of beasts, sack of spiders. Qazlal's clouds somewhat limit their usefulness but still they are worth carrying around. They are worth training Evo to 10+.

Monday, 20th March 2017, 14:41 by ajon

Scattershot and cloud wands are nice too in a pinch if you play trunk. Especially if you have a nice funnel with a group on the other side. Might as well kill them when they are all at half hp instead of full right?

My advice would be to stop training spells for a while. Get more fighting for sure. Also, find a buckler anywhere? If so, put it on and get those easy 4 skill points. Also dodging. So pretty much train defenses for a bit. Armour also wouldn't hurt but I would prioritize the others first. It's hard to give exact numbers to reach for but if you can get to something like 20 AC and maybe a bit higher EV, you will be in a bit better shape.

Fireball will work pretty well for a good portion of the game. You also have OoD which is great for bigger threats. If you find shadow creatures, I would learn that too. Any other support spells are also nice like blink or regeneration.

Monday, 20th March 2017, 19:04 by tasonir

This may already be clear but fireball won't work for all of zot, as orbs of fire are immune to it. But you already have OOD, which should be just fine for killing orbs. You could try to get some other non-fire damage if you like, but OOD should be enough. Probably better to diversify into a melee weapon/defenses than learning more damage types, since you already have two.

Monday, 20th March 2017, 20:03 by edgefigaro

+4 EV ring is good, put it on as soon as you leave Snake. Swamp is generally considered easier than Snake.

Fighting and Dodging and way to low as previously mentioned. All the XP from one Lair branch and maybe half of the XP from the other (and a buckler to 4 if you find one). In this time get enough armor skill to get 2 points of AC from armor. The only XP I would spend on things other than defenses during sbranches is for regen, blink (should be negligible in both cases, but blink is a spell you want at <%3 fail) and enough Invo for Elemental Force.

Enchant your boots with the ?Enchant Armor Scrolls.

Invocations is also too low and awkward. Upheaval competes with fireball, IMB, and to a lesser extent lightning bolt, and is generally core for Qaz. I think you already know this, however:
Qaz wants to dump piety, those cloudsplosions aren't the main point of the god. If you don't have much purpose for Upheaval, and you don't, Elemental Force and Disaster area are the other two piety dumps. Elemental Force is occasionally useful, moreso on this character. However Disaster Area is where Qaz really shines. I highly recommend looking through this post on how to use Disaster Area. There simply isn't a comparable damage/MP/turn spell until lvl 9 spells start coming into play. Disaster Area is easier to use if you have blink. I certainly recommend getting EF castable.

Your spellcasting is a hair low, but this is irrelevant at the moment (19 conj//12 Spc runs into irritating MP and Hunger problems, esp when casting OoD). Sidebar: Remember, you have plenty of food, and are currently in the part of the game where food is the most troublesome (poison lair branches.) You can eat a ration after eating chunks up to satiated and eliminate some headaches in this particular branch. Don't horde both types of rations. Horde one and use the other to improve your quality of life.

LvL 5-8 Target Rule of Thumb for Blaster Mages: 1 Bolt (lightning bolt), 1 Single Target (OoD), 1 AoE (Fireball). Thats a great kit. Stop making your offenses stronger and get thyself defense and support spells. Remember, HE are naturally squishy and you are playing Qaz.

When you hit Vaults 1, you want to have plenty of defenses and be able to make a decision: "What is the next major step for my character that I am going to put the large amount of Vaults 1-4 XP into??"

Tuesday, 21st March 2017, 02:43 by 1158511

Thanks for all the responses. I have successfully gotten my first rune as a caster and will probably be getting my second soonish. Excellent pointers about using invocation and evocations more effectively. I also hadn't considered that mage characters should be building defense during the lair branches. Previously I attempted to train too much defense in the early game and kept getting squished pre-lair. Now the tides have turned it seems. Thanks for all your help, I might post again after dying more untold grisly deaths.....

Tuesday, 21st March 2017, 19:25 by edgefigaro

1158511 wrote:I also hadn't considered that mage characters should be building defense during the lair branches.

Don't generalize this. OoD online before Sbranches is probably a mistake on this character (fireball and lightning bolt is sufficient for the threats in these zones, OoD in Snake is nice though) and has cut into your defenses severely. You could have planned to get OoD online using swamp xp setting up for snake or using snake xp setting up for vaults. Either one of these options probably plays a little cleaner, but it is pretty minor qualm.

More importantly is having a plan for what to do with the xp in the current zone (see sidebar), and is there a potential threat in the next zone you need to prepare for.

I recommend the following practice: When you learn a spell and are bringing it online, estimate what floor it will be castable at 20%. Compare your guess to the actual time it comes online. Guesses wont be perfect because there isn't a set amount of XP per floor, but the activity is informative.

Sidebar: Don't set up for zot in swamp or snake. Set up your character for zot in depths.

Wednesday, 22nd March 2017, 05:09 by 1158511

Okay here is the update, after an intense game of cat and mouse with a juggernaut that spanned two floors I stand victorious on depths 5. Problem is I don't want to do vault 5 with all my heart. Because my normal strategy of teleporting into some corner and fighting the endless horde in a corridor won't work with a mage because I'll run out of mp. Help? Also how's the skilling looking now? I might have been overkill with spell casting as usual.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.5 (webtiles) character file. 1158511 the Ruinous (High Elf Air Elementalist) Turns: 100605, Time: 10:37:29 Health: 180/180 AC: 20 Str: 7 XL: 24 Next: 24% Magic: 54/54 EV: 20 Int: 32 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 2927 SH: 15 Dex: 14 Spells: 12 memorised, 10 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis + H - staff of fire rCold + . . Gourm . f - +5 ring mail of Responsibility {Stlth+} rNeg + . . Faith . s - +2 buckler rPois + Spirit . M - +2 hat {MR+} rElec . Reflect . Q - -1 cloak rCorr . Harm . W - +2 pair of gloves MR +++.. t - +2 pair of boots Stlth +......... d - amulet of Eternity {Inacc +Fly rPois rF+++ MR-} r - ring of magical power U - ring "Anofue Fops" {rC+ rN+ MR+ Dex-3 SInv} @: repel missiles A: see invisible a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight }: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine You are on level 5 of the Depths. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 42 of its levels. You have collected 5238 gold pieces. You have spent 2311 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons q - the +2 rapier "Muess" {antimagic, Int+9 Dex-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Swamp) It reduces the magical energy of the wielder, and disrupts the spells and magical abilities of those hit. Natural abilities and divine invocations are not affected. It affects your intelligence (+9). It affects your dexterity (-3). R - the +10 dagger of Calamity {drain, rN+} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Depths) A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes. It protects you from negative energy. Armour f - the +5 ring mail of Responsibility (worn) {Stlth+} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) It makes you more stealthy. s - a +2 buckler (worn) t - a +2 pair of boots (worn) M - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn) Q - a -1 cloak (worn) W - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) Magical Staves H - an uncursed staff of fire (weapon) Jewellery d - the amulet of Eternity (around neck) {Inacc +Fly rPois rF+++ MR-} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit) [amulet of inaccuracy] It reduces the accuracy of all your attacks. It renders you almost immune to fire. It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you fly. r - a ring of magical power (right hand) w - an uncursed ring of protection from fire E - an uncursed amulet of magic regeneration U - the ring "Anofue Fops" (left hand) {rC+ rN+ MR+ Dex-3 SInv} (You found it on level 4 of the Swamp) [ring of protection from magic] It affects your dexterity (-3). It protects you from cold. It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you see invisible. Z - a +4 ring of protection Wands z - a wand of hasting (2/9) N - a wand of heal wounds (3/9) Y - a wand of random effects Scrolls g - 18 scrolls of remove curse h - 8 scrolls of amnesia l - 3 scrolls of teleportation F - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I - 7 scrolls of identify K - 4 scrolls of magic mapping O - 3 scrolls of enchant armour P - 5 scrolls of recharging X - 3 scrolls of fog Potions a - 7 potions of curing j - 4 potions of heal wounds k - 10 potions of might m - a potion of invisibility n - 5 potions of brilliance u - 3 potions of cure mutation v - 4 potions of cancellation A - 4 potions of resistance B - 3 potions of agility D - 2 potions of ambrosia G - 2 potions of flight S - 2 potions of beneficial mutation T - 2 potions of haste V - 3 potions of magic Books e - a book of Dreams Spells Type Level a - Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 b - Silence Hexes/Air 5 c - Darkness Hexes 6 d - Shadow Creatures Summoning 6 i - a book of Enchantments Spells Type Level a - Cause Fear Hexes 4 b - Yara's Violent Unravelling Hexes/Transmutation 5 c - Silence Hexes/Air 5 d - Deflect Missiles Charms/Air 6 e - Discord Hexes 8 x - a Young Poisoner's Handbook Spells Type Level a - Sting Conjuration/Poison 1 b - Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 c - Olgreb's Toxic Radiance Poison 4 d - Alistair's Intoxication Transmutation/Poison 5 e - Venom Bolt Conjuration/Poison 5 y - the Papyrus of Confrontation and Intoxication (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) Spells Type Level a - Sting Conjuration/Poison 1 b - Throw Flame Conjuration/Fire 2 c - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 d - Orb of Destruction Conjuration 7 C - a book of Conjurations Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Searing Ray Conjuration 2 c - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 d - Fulminant Prism Conjuration/Hexes 4 e - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 f - Iskenderun's Battlesphere Conjuration/Charms 5 J - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Blink Translocation 2 c - Call Imp Summoning 2 d - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 e - Slow Hexes 2 f - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 g - Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 L - a book of Fire Spells Type Level a - Ignite Poison Fire/Transmutation/Poison 3 b - Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 c - Bolt of Fire Conjuration/Fire 6 d - Delayed Fireball Conjuration/Fire 7 e - Ring of Flames Charms/Fire 7 Miscellaneous b - a box of beasts p - a disc of storms Comestibles c - 13 bread rations o - 14 meat rations Skills: + Level 19.1 Fighting - Level 1.2 Short Blades - Level 5.7 Armour + Level 20.3 Dodging - Level 2.1 Stealth - Level 4.4 Shields - Level 17.0 Spellcasting - Level 21.0 Conjurations - Level 16.5 Fire Magic - Level 12.6 Air Magic - Level 14.0 Invocations You have 10 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Shock Conj/Air #### 0% 1 None b - Static Discharge Conj/Air #######. 0% 3 None c - Swiftness Chrm/Air ######.. 1% 2 None d - Lightning Bolt Conj/Air #######... 1% 5 None e - Fireball Conj/Fire ########.. 1% 5 None f - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire ######## 0% 3 None g - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire ######## 1% 4 None h - Iskenderun's Mystic Conj ######## 0% 4 None i - Orb of Destruction Conj ########.. 1% 7 ####... j - Iskenderun's Battles Conj/Chrm #######. 1% 5 None k - Bolt of Fire Conj/Fire ########.. 1% 6 #...... l - Delayed Fireball Conj/Fire N/A 1% 7 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (6/6) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Snake (4/4) Lair:2 Slime (0/5) Lair:5 Orc (2/2) D:10 Elf (1/3) Orc:2 Vaults (4/5) D:13 Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Zot (0/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:5 (? D:6 ! D:8 ! D:10 ( D:11 ( D:15 }} Orc:1 [ Orc:2 [[(( Snake:2 (:} Vaults:1 = Vaults:4 % Depths:2 %![*} Depths:4 ( Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Ziggurat: Depths:2 Annotations: D:4 exclusion: statue D:10 exclusion: oklob plant Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) Message History Things that are here: 22 bolts; an arbalest x2 You see here a battleaxe of freezing. You see here a great sword of flaming. Found 25 stones. Found a hunting sling. There is an escape hatch in the ceiling here. You are feeling very hungry. There is an open door here. There is an open door here. Done exploring. You start eating one of the 14 bread rations. You continue eating. x2 You finish eating. That bread ration really hit the spot! There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here. You see here a +2 hat. Okay, then. Press | or perform an action to restore all view layers. Unknown command. 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Vanquished Creatures A juggernaut (Depths:4) Xtahua (Vaults:4) Vashnia (Snake:3) A golden dragon (Depths:4) A bone dragon (Depths:5) 2 tentacled monstrosities 4 liches 3 titans 3 sphinxes The ghost of geeko55 the Peltast, an adept DDFi of Hepliaklqana (Swamp:4) A storm dragon (Depths:5) Gastronok (Lair:1) 3 thorn hunters An ancient champion (Depths:2) 4 tengu reavers A shadow dragon (Depths:4) 12 nagarajas A draconian monk (Depths:5) 12 fire giants 2 deep elf sorcerers An iron dragon (Depths:4) 6 frost giants 13 vault wardens A draconian knight (Depths:5) 5 orc warlords A deep elf elementalist (Depths:4) 14 ironheart preservers 2 spriggan defenders (Depths:4) 14 very ugly things The ghost of Doop the Severer, a journeyman DDFi of Makhleb (Lair:5) 2 vampire knights (Depths:2) 20 stone giants The ghost of taxman66 the Unseen, a journeyman KoGl of Hepliaklqana (Orc:2) 2 green draconians (Depths:5) A deep elf annihilator (Vaults:2) A black draconian (Depths:5) A yellow draconian (Depths:5) 7 spark wasps 3 white draconians (Depths:5) 22 ettins A deep elf death mage (Vaults:2) A merfolk javelineer (Depths:3) 17 fire dragons 3 jiangshi (Depths:2) A green death (Depths:4) 2 merfolk impalers (Depths:3) 11 ice dragons 16 great orbs of eyes 12 yaktaur captains Erolcha (D:12) The ghost of Bananafish1988 the Grappler, a journeyman DrMo of Makhleb (Lair:2) 23 naga warriors 8 rakshasas 20 hydras A hell beast (Depths:2) 14 centaur warriors A ghost crab (Swamp:2) 3 vault guards (Depths:2) 23 anacondas 13 deep troll shamans The ghost of Kareck the Thaumaturge, a journeyman GrEE of Vehumet (D:11) 2 death knights The ghost of rosewood the Ducker, a journeyman KoBe of Trog (D:11) 6 tengu warriors 13 ogre magi 11 deep troll earth magi 6 alligators 11 shock serpents 3 orc high priests 6 vampire magi 5 spriggan berserkers 27 naga sharpshooters Sonja (D:12) 2 storm dragon zombies (Vaults:4) A hell knight (Depths:5) 4 shadow wraiths (Depths:3) 8 deep elf knights 4 iron trolls 8 salamander mystics 7 unseen horrors 7 skeletal warriors 3 spriggan druids A torturous demonspawn (Depths:4) 10 flayed ghosts A storm dragon skeleton (Vaults:3) 5 glowing orange brains 2 sea snakes 56 deep trolls 13 swamp dragons A death drake (shapeshifter) (Depths:3) An infernal demonspawn (Depths:4) 9 wizards 4 shambling mangroves Pikel (D:5) 9 phantasmal warriors 8 deep elf archers 11 naga ritualists 3 harpies (Vaults:4) 13 orc knights A harpy (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) 7 hill giants 13 ironbrand convokers 4 lindwurms (Snake:4) 3 necromancers 3 orc sorcerers 17 deep elf magi 16 salamanders 2 shining eyes (Depths:2) A wolf spider zombie (D:11) 17 mana vipers A manticore (D:15) 2 stone giant zombies 9 elephants 6 wolf spiders A frost giant zombie (Vaults:4) 38 ugly things A fire giant skeleton (Vaults:3) A tengu skeleton (Vaults:3) 5 cyclopes An eye of devastation (Depths:2) 4 centaur zombies A black mamba (shapeshifter) (D:15) The ghost of cobaltphoenix the Magician, a novice GrWz (D:6) 60 black mambas 14 guardian serpents A rust devil (Depths:2) 26 naga magi A torpor snail (Lair:2) 25 spiny frogs 2 gargoyles (Depths:2) A torpor snail (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 5 centaur skeletons 13 vault sentinels An orange demon (Depths:4) A spiny frog (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) 69 yaktaurs 8 komodo dragons 2 human zombies 2 rime drakes An ice devil (Depths:2) A kobold demonologist (D:15) 7 freezing wraiths 3 yaktaur skeletons A polar bear (Lair:3) A red devil (Depths:2) 3 tengu conjurers A tengu simulacrum (Vaults:4) 3 meliai (D:15) 13 trolls 29 hornets A shadow dragon simulacrum (Vaults:3) 6 tyrant leeches 21 two-headed ogres A hippogriff (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 14 bog bodies 19 blink frogs 36 slime creatures 3 hippogriffs 3 ettin skeletons (Vaults:3) 3 dream sheep 2 redbacks (Lair:6) 14 wraiths 5 shadows A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 21 spriggans Sigmund (D:5) A shapeshifter (Depths:1) 7 water elementals (Depths:3) 44 yaks 4 vampires A wyvern (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 2 hogs (shapeshifter) 2 humans (shapeshifter) 3 hungry ghosts 3 basilisks A chaos spawn (Depths:4) 8 wyverns 3 golden eyes (Depths:2) 12 vampire mosquitoes 3 mottled dragons 2 human simulacra (Vaults:2) 10 wargs A soldier ant (D:12) 23 swamp worms 70 nagas 20 water moccasins 15 swamp drakes 2 floating eyes 3 slaves 26 porcupines An eye of draining (shapeshifter) (D:15) 4 eyes of draining A black bear (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 3 sky beasts 4 black bears 2 necrophages 62 orc warriors 5 ice beasts 4 phantoms 56 ogres An ettin simulacrum (Vaults:1) 36 wolves 43 centaurs 15 boggarts 7 human skeletons An elf skeleton (Vaults:3) 12 crocodiles A crocodile (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3) 11 big kobolds A bullfrog (shapeshifter) (Depths:1) 14 bullfrogs A glowing shapeshifter simulacrum (Vaults:1) 2 wyvern zombies A gnoll sergeant (D:7) 2 spectral wargs (Depths:2) 7 scorpions A wyvern skeleton (D:6) An orc simulacrum (Vaults:1) 69 killer bees 19 wights 3 howler monkeys 3 jellies 7 crimson imps A quasit (D:9) A wyvern simulacrum (D:14) A bullfrog zombie (D:6) 8 hounds 6 bullfrog skeletons 33 orc priests 28 orc wizards 6 iguanas 17 worker ants A hound zombie (D:10) 3 hound skeletons A worker ant zombie (D:5) 14 gnolls A howler monkey zombie (D:8) 2 river rats (D:8) 26 adders 2 shadow imps 2 oozes A worm (D:5) An adder skeleton (D:4) 3 dart slugs 10 leopard geckos 173 orcs 3 ball pythons 10 bats 7 giant cockroaches 10 goblins 9 hobgoblins 10 jackals 65 kobolds 8 quokkas 5 frilled lizards A leopard gecko zombie (D:7) 3 quokka skeletons 7 rats 3 bushes 42 fungi 37 plants 2458 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A naga warrior (Snake:3) An anaconda (Snake:3) A naga sharpshooter (Snake:2) A naga ritualist (Snake:3) 4 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A slave (D:5) 2 bushes 19 fungi 29 plants 51 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 2513 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | 1158511 the High Elf Air Elementalist began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 4/4 440 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/17 MP: 1/6 682 | D:1 | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations 882 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 21/21 MP: 3/7 1947 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 2241 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 2304 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Static Discharge 2386 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 27/27 MP: 4/8 2395 | D:3 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 2465 | D:3 | Reached skill level 3 in Conjurations 2851 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2851 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2857 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2861 | D:3 | Found a faded altar of an unknown god. 2906 | D:3 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 3213 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 31/31 MP: 3/9 3512 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3642 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 3642 | D:4 | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations 3878 | D:4 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 3878 | D:4 | Noticed a charred statue 4002 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4002 | D:5 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 4002 | D:5 | Found Volosch's Magic Scroll Shop. 4015 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 4016 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 4016 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 4399 | D:5 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 36/36 MP: 4/10 4520 | D:5 | Noticed a sky beast 4575 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 4590 | D:5 | Noticed a sky beast 4738 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 5315 | D:5 | Noticed a slave 5707 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 14/41 MP: 5/11 5935 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations 6765 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 6833 | D:5 | Found Guvo's Antique Weapon Shop. 6935 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations 6935 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 46/46 MP: 2/12 7482 | D:6 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 7521 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 7521 | D:6 | Found Axtys's Distillery. 7522 | D:6 | Noticed cobaltphoenix's ghost (novice GrWz) 7827 | D:5 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lightning Bolt 7895 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces 8222 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 8222 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Conjurations 8938 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8939 | D:6 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 8947 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 9125 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Qazlal Stormbringer 9350 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Air Magic 9387 | D:5 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 9705 | D:5 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 51/51 MP: 8/17 9853 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 10015 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 10312 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Conjurations 10350 | D:6 | Bought a potion of curing for 30 gold pieces 10350 | D:6 | Bought a potion of curing for 30 gold pieces 11307 | D:7 | Reached * piety under Qazlal 12201 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 12582 | D:8 | Reached ** piety under Qazlal 12644 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations 12708 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 51/56 MP: 8/18 13177 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 13472 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13600 | D:8 | Got a flickering steel ring 13603 | D:8 | Identified the ring of Litudgh {rCorr *Drain Str+4 Dex+3} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 13730 | D:8 | Found Ocvuhou's Distillery. 14352 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Conjurations 15237 | D:9 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 15293 | D:9 | Reached *** piety under Qazlal 15306 | D:9 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 15663 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 16054 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 16083 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 65/65 MP: 1/22 16371 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 16619 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 16772 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic 17007 | D:10 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 17019 | D:10 | Noticed an oklob plant 17341 | D:10 | Found Eme Isku's Weapon Shop. 17940 | D:10 | Noticed an unseen horror 17943 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 17978 | D:10 | Reached **** piety under Qazlal 18560 | D:10 | Learned a level 5 spell: Fireball 18570 | D:10 | Noticed an unseen horror 18579 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 19090 | D:10 | Reached skill level 12 in Conjurations 19482 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 20009 | D:11 | Noticed rosewood's ghost (journeyman KoBe) 20181 | D:6 | Killed cobaltphoenix's ghost 21392 | D:11 | Killed rosewood's ghost 21638 | D:11 | Noticed Kareck's ghost (journeyman GrEE) 21863 | D:11 | Killed Kareck's ghost 21863 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 22229 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 22437 | D:11 | Found Zethrit's Weapon Shop. 22892 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 23050 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 23155 | D:12 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 71/77 MP: 14/23 23426 | D:12 | Reached ***** piety under Qazlal 23581 | D:11 | Reached skill level 13 in Conjurations 24243 | D:12 | Noticed Erolcha 24430 | D:12 | Killed Erolcha 25098 | D:12 | Noticed a rakshasa 25273 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 25660 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 14 in Conjurations 26078 | Lair:1 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 26078 | Lair:1 | Identified the Papyrus of Confrontation and Intoxication (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 26410 | Lair:1 | Noticed Gastronok 26989 | Lair:1 | Killed Gastronok 27247 | Lair:2 | Noticed Bananafish1988's ghost (journeyman DrMo) 27403 | Lair:2 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 27434 | Lair:2 | Killed a six-headed hydra 27582 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 84/84 MP: 18/27 27996 | Lair:2 | Killed Bananafish1988's ghost 27996 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Conjurations 28272 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 28350 | Lair:2 | Got a warped ring mail 28370 | Lair:2 | Identified the +5 ring mail of Responsibility {Stlth+} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 28708 | Lair:2 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 30408 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 30948 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 16 in Conjurations 31194 | Lair:4 | Reached ****** piety under Qazlal 31813 | Lair:4 | Gained mutation: You have supernaturally acute eyesight. (SInv) [potion of beneficial mutation] 32622 | Lair:5 | Noticed Doop's ghost (journeyman DDFi) 33193 | Lair:5 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 33193 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 33478 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 34144 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 57/90 MP: 22/30 34576 | Lair:5 | Killed Doop's ghost 34744 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 17 in Conjurations 36857 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Fire Magic 37192 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 37519 | Orc:1 | Noticed an orc warlord 37691 | D:12 | Noticed Sonja 37740 | D:12 | Killed Sonja 38140 | D:12 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 38291 | D:12 | Reached skill level 18 in Conjurations 38969 | D:13 | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 39394 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 39622 | D:12 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 81/95 MP: 25/31 39689 | D:12 | Learned a level 7 spell: Orb of Destruction 41260 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 41527 | D:15 | Found Linu Saq's Gadget Shop. 41845 | D:15 | Found Dyopamimuo's Gadget Boutique. 42428 | D:15 | Reached skill level 19 in Conjurations 42896 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 43241 | D:10 | Killed an orc warlord 43669 | Orc:1 | Found Erehekh's Armour Emporium. 43670 | Orc:1 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 43881 | Orc:2 | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines 44090 | Orc:2 | Noticed taxman66's ghost (journeyman KoGl) 44229 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 44345 | Orc:1 | Killed an orc warlord 44751 | Orc:2 | Killed taxman66's ghost 45049 | Orc:2 | Found Dist's Antique Weapon Shop. 45049 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 45050 | Orc:2 | Found Qesinwit's Antique Armour Boutique. 45173 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 45258 | Orc:2 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 45568 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 45578 | Orc:2 | Found Eleilosa's Antique Armour Shoppe. 45682 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46033 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46040 | Orc:2 | Found Viehucw's Weapon Emporium. 46112 | Orc:2 | Upgraded the game from 0.19.1 to 0.19.1-1-g22dce08 46419 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46460 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 46665 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 46847 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 47271 | Lair:3 | Upgraded the game from 0.19.1-1-g22dce08 to 0.19.5 47330 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 48015 | Snake:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 48162 | Snake:1 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 93/101 MP: 13/33 48846 | Snake:1 | Got a vibrating graven amulet 50409 | Snake:1 | Identified the amulet of Eternity {Inacc +Fly rPois rF+++ MR-} (You found it on level 1 of the Snake Pit) 51081 | Snake:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 52033 | Snake:2 | Found Uskiquol's Weapon Shop. 52035 | Snake:2 | Found Vestrag's Book Boutique. 52037 | Snake:2 | Found Mutuph's Gadget Shop. 53215 | Snake:3 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 53419 | Snake:3 | Noticed Vashnia 54546 | Snake:2 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 38/109 MP: 22/34 55206 | Snake:3 | Killed Vashnia 55385 | Snake:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 56736 | Snake:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Snake Pit 57383 | Snake:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 57464 | Snake:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 58186 | Snake:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 59713 | Snake:4 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 90/121 MP: 24/36 61434 | Snake:2 | Bought a book of Conjurations for 480 gold pieces 61441 | Snake:2 | Learned a level 5 spell: Iskenderun's Battlesphere 61451 | Snake:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 63461 | Swamp:3 | Got a transparent great sword 63858 | Swamp:3 | Identified the +5 great sword of Eternal War {flame, +Fly rF++ Str+2} (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp) 64427 | Swamp:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp 64434 | Swamp:4 | Noticed geeko55's ghost (adept DDFi) 64660 | Swamp:4 | Killed geeko55's ghost 66542 | Swamp:4 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 66604 | Swamp:4 | Got a crystal rapier 66606 | Swamp:4 | Identified the cursed +2 rapier "Muess" {antimagic, Int+9 Dex-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Swamp) 66731 | Swamp:4 | Got a warped golden ring 66733 | Swamp:4 | Identified the ring "Anofue Fops" {rC+ rN+ MR+ Dex-3 SInv} (You found it on level 4 of the Swamp) 66916 | Swamp:4 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 91/131 MP: 22/37 67076 | Swamp:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Fire Magic 68700 | Snake:4 | Got a serpentine rune of Zot 69126 | Orc:2 | Bought a shiny helmet for 315 gold pieces 69327 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths 69327 | Depths:1 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss. 69528 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 70046 | Vaults:1 | Found Qeepneisk's Jewellery Shop. 70408 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 70493 | Vaults:1 | Learned a level 7 spell: Delayed Fireball 73129 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 121/140 MP: 32/38 75653 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 77318 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt. 78236 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 78463 | Vaults:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Ignite Poison 78729 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Xtahua 78954 | Vaults:3 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 110/151 MP: 29/40 79315 | Vaults:4 | Found Qiuxakli's Food Emporium. 79318 | Vaults:4 | Bought a bread ration for 70 gold pieces 79318 | Vaults:4 | Bought a bread ration for 70 gold pieces 79318 | Vaults:4 | Bought a bread ration for 70 gold pieces 79318 | Vaults:4 | Bought a bread ration for 70 gold pieces 79318 | Vaults:4 | Bought a meat ration for 70 gold pieces 79318 | Vaults:4 | Bought a meat ration for 70 gold pieces 79891 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting 80314 | Vaults:4 | Killed Xtahua 80472 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 20 in Conjurations 81752 | Vaults:4 | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire 83719 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell. 83872 | Depths:1 | Identified the Disquisition on Fetching Ice 84658 | Depths:2 | Found Hajikhla's Gadget Shop. 84865 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 137/159 MP: 23/42 85167 | Depths:2 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 86532 | Depths:2 | Found a large runed door. 86533 | Depths:2 | Found a large runed door. 86755 | Depths:2 | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns 86762 | Depths:2 | Paralysed by a floating eye for 4 turns 86770 | Depths:2 | Paralysed by a floating eye for 2 turns 88367 | Depths:2 | Found Jack's Jerk-a-riffic Jerky. 88389 | Depths:2 | Found Deilir's Miraculous Elixirs. 88454 | Depths:2 | Found Sumuis's Slaves and Accessories. 88469 | Depths:2 | Bought a wand of hasting (2/9) for 828 gold pieces 88487 | Depths:2 | Found The Legendary Loduynn's Legendary Smithy. 88784 | Depths:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 89024 | Depths:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 90745 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium. 91040 | Depths:3 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 159/170 MP: 41/44 94670 | Depths:4 | Found Atsozeeph's Antique Weapon Shop. 94817 | Depths:4 | Bought a brightly glowing dagger for 182 gold pieces 94818 | Depths:4 | Identified the +10 dagger of Calamity {drain, rN+} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Depths) 95006 | Depths:4 | Paralysed by a floating eye for 4 turns 95014 | Depths:4 | Paralysed by a floating eye for 3 turns 95957 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths 96589 | Depths:5 | Noticed a juggernaut 97717 | Depths:4 | Killed a juggernaut 98114 | Depths:5 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 169/180 MP: 28/44 99466 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 21 in Conjurations 99870 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot. Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 | ---------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+----- Air Magic | 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 | 12.6 Conjurations | 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 14 16 18 19 20 21 | 21.0 Short Blades | 1 | 1.2 Spellcasting | 4 5 6 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 | 17.0 Dodging | 5 6 7 11 13 14 15 16 18 20 | 20.3 Fighting | 2 5 6 7 10 12 13 15 17 19 | 19.1 Invocations | 1 4 5 9 10 12 14 | 14.0 Fire Magic | 5 6 7 11 12 13 14 15 16 | 16.5 Shields | 4 | 4.4 Armour | 2 5 | 5.7 Stealth | | 2.1 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 8 | | 9 | 44 | | | | || 61 Dagger | | | 22 | 9 | | | | || 31 Staff | | | | 26 | 141 | 55 | 38 | 28 || 288 Cast: Shock | 81 | 103 | 364 | 668 | 493 | 14 | 36 | 6 || 1765 Swiftness | | 6 | 5 | 9 | 17 | 2 | 2 | 4 || 45 Static Discharge | | 1 | 16 | 87 | 174 | 23 | 32 | || 333 Lightning Bolt | | | 2 | 14 | 58 | 35 | 120 | 90 || 319 Repel Missiles | | | | 3 | | | | || 3 Conjure Flame | | | | 17 | 25 | 9 | 9 | 8 || 68 Sticky Flame | | | | 55 | 100 | 108 | 58 | 52 || 373 Fireball | | | | 25 | 146 | 361 | 611 | 495 || 1638 Iskenderun's Myst | | | | | 222 | 379 | 14 | 22 || 637 Orb of Destructio | | | | | 3 | 5 | 7 | 45 || 60 Iskenderun's Batt | | | | | | 3 | 14 | 39 || 56 Delayed Fireball | | | | | | | 6 | || 6 Mephitic Cloud | | | | | | | 5 | || 5 Ignite Poison | | | | | | | 5 | || 5 Bolt of Fire | | | | | | | 2 | 25 || 27 Invok: Upheaval | | | | | 1 | 1 | 1 | || 3 Elemental Force | | | | | | 3 | | || 3 Disaster Area | | | | | | | 7 | 1 || 8 Abil: Release Delayed F | | | | | | | 5 | 1 || 6 Evoke Flight | | | | | | | | 4 || 4 Use: Scroll | | 10 | 6 | 12 | 13 | 21 | 8 | 10 || 80 Potion | | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 10 | 2 | 5 || 23 Eat: Chunk | 4 | 8 | 6 | 23 | 58 | 12 | 21 | 19 || 151 Meat ration | | 1 | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 5 | 1 || 13 Bread ration | | | 3 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 1 | 4 || 20 Royal jelly | | | | 1 | | | 1 | || 2 Fruit | | | | | 15 | 18 | 1 | 3 || 37 Beef jerky | | | | | 4 | 1 | | 9 || 14 Pizza | | | | | | 2 | 2 | 1 || 5 Armor: Robe | 3 | 9 | 32 | 98 | 5 | | | || 147 Ring mail | | | | | 183 | 91 | 114 | 57 || 445 Dodge: Dodged | 10 | 26 | 114 | 323 | 360 | 197 | 235 | 116 || 1381 Deflected | | | | 31 | 25 | 58 | 71 | 26 || 211 Block: Other | | | 3 | 89 | 215 | 30 | | || 337 Buckler | | | | | | 287 | 320 | 193 || 800

Wednesday, 22nd March 2017, 09:15 by stickyfingers

Remove the Amulet of Eternity. It's crap. You have MPregen and it's good. Also put +4 protection instead of the resistance ring. Putting on resistances when a resistible threat arrives shall suffice, and you already have rF+ from the staff and MR+++. Do you seriously have no better cloak? If not, enchanting that one to +2 is a good idea. Ring mail with 7 str is kind of heavy, but you already have skills/int high enough so it can work. Skilling is alright, though by this point I'd like to have some melee working (any branded demon blades/whips out there?) and Qaz shines with your Invo higher (the upheavals are reliably radius 2 with Invo at like 18, plus it increases the number of them on Disaster Area), though that's less of an issue if you're actually casting spells. Regarding spells, drop shock, sticky flame, static discharge and IMB. DMsl should be cheap for you, so you can consider it, as well as ring of fire. Slime should be easier than V:5 for you if there's rCorr somewhere (and TRJ is trivial with DA and just a single !res, but I don't recommend you to do it with no rCorr equipment). You can also clear Elf and Crypt, these will be easy and give you some loot.

Wednesday, 22nd March 2017, 09:43 by bel

You can do Elf and see what kind of loot you get there. Just be careful of the end vault of Elf:3; lure the denizens carefully. It's not mandatory, of course.

Slime would perhaps be easier for you than Vaults:5, assuming you have a source of rCorr. There are many ways to kill TRJ. I suggest the following. Hit TRJ one or two times (use OoD or bolt spells) to spawn jellies. Then read an immolation scroll and use either bolt spells, upheaval or disaster area to kill all the summoned jellies together with TRJ. Hasting yourself and quaffing brilliance and agility before the operation is a good idea. Stay near the stairs to escape in case things don't work out.

In general, you should pick a nice one-handed weapon (you should have a fair choice by now) and spend some XP to get it to min-delay. It's useful if you find yourself out of MP in the middle of a fight. You should have found some demon weapons or good quick blades by now. Another option is to use the staff of fire as a weapon; you then need to train staves and evocations.

Saturday, 25th March 2017, 21:27 by TonberryJam

Yeah I'd say elf to see if a good book drops. OoD will most likely wreck everything until you get close to the final vault. Biggest threats are the Archers and using up your MP. Bolt of Fire might even be able to 1-hit several guys, useful incase they enter melee range. You might find yourself retreating often because anything more than 1v1 might be difficult. But, fireball should still be impressive. Take your time at the vault. And, be ready to retreat soon.

Disaster area would probably destroy the Welcome party at V:5. Highest priority are the stair lockers otherwise, sine u will be stair dancing.

I'd recommend learning blink, and to train Fire to prepare for Firestorm. Staff to min delay and Evocation 10/Magic School of choice should make your elemental staves hit hard 100% for elemental damage.

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