What is Plan B for Op if statue form doesnt generate early?

[Vajrapani]

Clearing dungeon,lair and orc is easy enough,at least for such a shitty race like octopode, but how do you handle anything beyond that if statue or dragon form don't generate? The enemy density gets wayy higher once you start rune branches + vaults so the unexpected damage spikes get more frequent and just make Op a pain to play.

I want to forget I'm playing an octopode ASAP than constantly pray that I don't get hit for 70% of my HP in every slightly dangerous encounter. My most successful attempt died in spider, but that was due to nemelex cheese strats and a lot of luck, and I'd rather not play through dungeon,lair,orc all the time and hope that RNJesus is feeling generous.

There has to be a more efficient,and survivable strategy than just hoping for statue. In most games, I find it very,very late. My last statue-former found it in Elf:3 and there's no way in hell I'm getting there as an Op without some very tedious play.

[stoneychips]

Maybe look for some summons to help.

This is particularly good with polearms or spells that can pass through their lines (poison and draining with undead summons, etc.).

It was easier in past versions when Yred's summons would stick around indefinitely. Maybe animate up more yourself as you go.

[Rast]

You don't need statue form or any spells to win an octopde. Get a good shield and train it and dodging and especially fighting.

[bel]

You don't need statue form as an Op, though it helps.

What kind of Op are you playing? A dump / morgue file would be good to give some concrete advice. If you're playing OpTm, spider form is fine for a lot of the game (the extra EV is really good - EV is your main defence).

In general, get a shield and train a few levels of stealth. The latter is very cheap for an Op.

[Vajrapani]

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-641-g673355a (webtiles) character file.

113416 Vajrapani the Brawler (level 16, -21/119 HPs)
             Began as an Octopode Fighter on Feb 12, 2017.
             Was the Champion of Nemelex Xobeh.
             Blown up by an orb spider (47 damage)
             ... with an orb of destruction
             ... on level 1 of the Spider Nest on Feb 13, 2017.
             The game lasted 02:15:13 (44120 turns).

Vajrapani the Brawler (Octopode Fighter)           Turns: 44120, Time: 02:15:13

Health: -21/119    AC:  6    Str: 23    XL:     16   Next: 63%
Magic:  25/25      EV: 22    Int: 20    God:    Nemelex Xobeh [******]
Gold:   1827       SH: 20    Dex: 18    Spells: 15/15 levels left

rFire    + . .     SeeInvis +     - Unarmed
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   a - +5 shield
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   X - +2 hat
rPois    .         Spirit   .   F - +2 amulet of reflection
rElec    .         Reflect  +   s - +3 ring of protection
rCorr    +         Harm     .   q - ring of resist corrosion
MR       ++...                  y - +5 ring of intelligence
Stlth    +++++++...             z - ring "Rinov" {rF+ Str+3 Dex+3 Stlth+}
Regen    0.3/turn               m - ring of protection from magic
MPRegen  0.2/turn               o - ring of see invisible
                                P - +2 ring of intelligence
                                n - ring of Reimbursement {rN+ Str+4}

@: no status effects
A: almost no armour, stealthy swim, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, camouflage
1, gelatinous body 1
a: Triple Draw, Deal Four, Stack Five, Renounce Religion


You were on level 1 of the Spider Nest.
You worshipped Nemelex Xobeh.
Nemelex Xobeh was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and saw 25 of its levels.
You also visited: Ossuary and Ice Cave.

You collected 2804 gold pieces.
You spent 977 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Missiles
 t - 106 stones (quivered)
Armour
 a - a +5 shield (worn)
 X - a +2 hat (worn)
 Z - a +1 large shield
Jewellery
 c - an uncursed ring of ice
 m - a ring of protection from magic (on tentacle)
 n - the ring of Reimbursement (on tentacle) {rN+ Str+4}
   (You acquired it on level 14 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 o - a ring of see invisible (on tentacle)
 q - a ring of resist corrosion (right tentacle)
 s - a +3 ring of protection (left tentacle)
 y - a +5 ring of intelligence (on tentacle)
 z - the ring "Rinov" (on tentacle) {rF+ Str+3 Dex+3 Stlth+}
   (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of stealth]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 F - a +2 amulet of reflection (around mantle)
 P - a +2 ring of intelligence (on tentacle)
Wands
 p - a wand of paralysis (8/24)
 C - a wand of paralysis (13/24)
Scrolls
 e - 17 scrolls of teleportation
 h - 2 scrolls of identify
 k - a scroll of silence
 l - a scroll of enchant weapon
 E - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 J - 2 scrolls of fog
 O - 2 scrolls of blinking
 Q - 4 scrolls of remove curse
Potions
 d - a potion of heal wounds
 g - a potion of cancellation
 i - 6 potions of might
 r - 3 potions of lignification
 u - a potion of resistance
 x - a potion of magic
 A - 2 potions of invisibility
 B - 3 potions of brilliance
 D - a potion of curing
 I - a potion of mutation
 M - a potion of agility
 U - 2 potions of haste
 W - a potion of ambrosia
Books
 R - a book of Geomancy   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Sandblast                    Earth                         1
    b - Passwall                     Transmutation/Earth           2
    c - Stone Arrow                  Conjuration/Earth             3
    d - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    e - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction   Earth                         5
Miscellaneous
 b - a legendary deck of summoning {drawn: 2}
 f - a legendary deck of summoning
 j - a legendary deck of destruction
 H - an ornate deck of escape {the Cloud, left: 2}
 L - a legendary deck of summoning
 S - an ornate deck of destruction {drawn: 2}
 T - an ornate deck of summoning
 V - an ornate deck of summoning {drawn: 9}
 Y - an ornate deck of summoning
Comestibles
 G - 11 meat rations
 K - 2 royal jellies
 N - 18 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 14.1 Fighting
 * Level 12.2 Dodging
 + Level 11.2 Stealth
 - Level 10.4 Shields
 + Level 15.2 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 12.7 Invocations


You had 15 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (6/6) D:11
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:4       Spider (1/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (0/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Qazlal
Ru
Trog
Uskayaw
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:8 =   Orc:2 *[(*[

Annotations:
D:3 pikel, my man, Pikel
D:8 1 runed door
D:11 Erolcha


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear most types of armour.
You are very stealthy in the water. (Stealth+)
You are amphibious.
You can wear up to eight rings at the same time.
You can use your tentacles to constrict eight enemies at once.
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stealth+).
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks. (AC +1, EV +1)


Message History

You see here a jumping spider corpse.
No target in range!
The orb spider weaves a glowing orb of energy.
An orb of destruction comes into view.
The orb of destruction reflects off an invisible shield around you!
The orb of destruction hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The orb spider spins a strand of pure energy.
Found a meat ration. You take 51 damage, and have 34/119 hp. MASSIVE DAMAGE!!
The orb spider weaves a glowing orb of energy.
An orb of destruction comes into view.
The orb spider pulsates with a strange energy.
The orb of destruction hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You take 30 damage, and have 5/119 hp. MASSIVE DAMAGE!!
The orb spider weaves a glowing orb of energy.
An orb of destruction comes into view.
You feel much better. The orb of destruction hits you!
You die...
Your body disappears without a glow.

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You could see an orb spider.

Vanquished Creatures
  Agnes (Spider:1)
  A dire elephant (D:15)
  Fannar (D:11)
  3 hydras
  A vault guard (D:13)
  2 catoblepae
  Erica (Lair:2)
  Harold (Lair:1)
  4 death yaks
  15 two-headed ogres
  5 centaur warriors
  4 ogre magi (Orc:2)
  A tengu warrior (D:15)
  An orc high priest (Orc:1)
  A queen ant (Lair:5)
  3 unseen horrors
  A wolf spider zombie (D:15)
  2 orb spiders (Spider:1)
  A deep elf mage (D:14)
  5 wolf spiders
  2 ugly things
  6 cyclopes
  5 elephants
  A moth of wrath (D:12)
  A manticore (D:15)
  7 black mambas
  4 centaur zombies
  The ghost of seren the Cruncher, a novice MiGl of Ru (D:6)
  5 centaur skeletons
  27 spiny frogs
  An efreet (D:15)
  2 rime drakes
  12 komodo dragons
  A yaktaur (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  3 demonic crawlers
  2 tengu conjurers
  A harpy zombie (D:13)
  4 meliai
  A queen bee (Lair:4)
  A meliai (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  3 hornets
  5 jumping spiders (Spider:1)
  4 trolls
  7 tyrant leeches
  3 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  6 hippogriffs
  5 slime creatures
  A hippogriff (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  35 blink frogs
  6 redbacks
  48 yaks
  A shadow (D:14)
  A vampire (D:13)
  A water elemental (D:12)
  Eustachio (D:6)
  A spriggan (D:13)
  A human (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  5 wyverns
  A wraith (D:13)
  A hog (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  5 basilisks
  12 vampire mosquitoes
  3 hungry ghosts
  Edmund (D:6)
  A warg (Orc:1)
  Menkaure (D:6)
  25 soldier ants
  2 swamp worms (Lair:4)
  An acid dragon (D:13)
  15 water moccasins
  7 porcupines
  15 orc warriors
  33 ogres
  An eye of draining (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  8 ice beasts
  2 sky beasts
  7 necrophages
  4 slaves
  2 eyes of draining (D:4)
  A hornet zombie (D:14)
  4 black bears
  4 phantoms
  19 wolves
  8 centaurs
  7 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds
  An elf zombie (Ossuary)
  27 bullfrogs
  2 wyvern skeletons
  2 scorpions (D:9)
  40 killer bees
  10 wights
  2 electric eels
  5 howler monkeys
  2 bullfrog zombies
  4 crimson imps
  A human zombie (Ossuary)
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:8)
  12 hounds
  5 jellies
  Crazy Yiuf (D:4)
  2 gnoll shamans (D:4)
  10 orc priests
  20 orc wizards
  An iguana (D:12)
  A hell rat (Lair:4)
  29 worker ants
  A big kobold zombie (Ossuary)
  A hound zombie (D:9)
  2 mummies (Ossuary)
  2 worker ant zombies
  Robin (D:1)
  39 gnolls
  17 adders
  3 shadow imps
  3 oozes
  3 adder skeletons
  3 adder zombies
  4 worms
  2 dart slugs
  5 leopard geckos
  84 orcs
  9 giant cockroaches
  16 goblins
  7 hobgoblins
  14 jackals
  23 kobolds
  8 quokkas
  11 bats
  8 frilled lizards
  A goblin zombie (Ossuary)
  5 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  3 jackal zombies (Ossuary)
  10 kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  9 orc zombies
  3 quokka skeletons
  15 rats
  A plant (Lair:6)
959 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Gastronok (Lair:1)
  2 entropy weavers (Lair:5)
  A hydra (Lair:6)
  4 two-headed ogres
  A death yak (Lair:5)
  Nergalle (Lair:1)
  An orc knight (Orc:2)
  4 elephants (Lair:2)
  A black mamba (Lair:3)
  2 spiny frogs
  2 komodo dragons
  A meliai (Lair:4)
  A tyrant leech (Lair:4)
  A jumping spider (Spider:1)
  A blink frog (Lair:3)
  4 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  2 hippogriffs
  A tarantella (Lair:3)
  4 redbacks (Lair:3)
  A wyvern (D:6)
  2 yaks (Lair:2)
  2 soldier ants (Lair:5)
  3 water moccasins
  Duvessa (D:6)
  An orc warrior (D:8)
  An ice beast (Lair:2)
  An ogre (Orc:1)
  Dowan (D:6)
  5 killer bees
  2 crimson imps (D:8)
  3 orc priests
  2 orc wizards (Orc:1)
  A worker ant (Lair:5)
  An adder (D:6)
  A gnoll (D:4)
  5 orcs
  5 jackals (D:4)
  A leopard gecko skeleton (D:4)
74 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  Sonja (Lair:1)
  A manticore (D:12)
  A spiny frog (Lair:6)
  2 yaks (Lair:1)
  A water moccasin (Lair:6)
  2 centaurs (D:9)
  2 orcs
  2 bushes (Lair:4)
  23 fungi
  54 plants
89 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1122 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Vajrapani the Octopode Fighter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 1/1
   332 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/21 MP: 2/2
   659 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Unarmed Combat
   791 | D:1      | Vajrapani: !whichgod op
   791 | D:1      | beem: 282 recent wins: 59x Cheibriados, 45x Ashenzari, 33x Vehumet, 29x Gozag, 13x Makhleb, 13x Okawaru, 12x Ru, 11x Trog, 10x Sif Muna, 9x Dithmenos, 9x The Shining One, 5x Fedhas, 5x Hepliaklqana, 5x Xom, 4x Uskayaw, 4x Kikubaaqudgha, 4x Nemelex Xobeh, 3x Lugonu, 3x Zin, 2x Qazlal, Elyvilon, Wudzu, Yredelemnul, Pakellas
   924 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 21/26 MP: 3/3
  1283 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  1363 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1808 | D:2      | You fall through a shaft!
  1930 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 26/31 MP: 4/4
  2031 | D:2      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  2340 | D:1      | Killed Robin
  2368 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
  2575 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 27/36 MP: 5/5
  3554 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 34/43 MP: 6/6
  3685 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  3831 | D:3      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  4170 | D:4      | Noticed a phantom
  4196 | D:4      | Killed a phantom
  4462 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4467 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4468 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4468 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4469 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4471 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4556 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh the Trickster
  4568 | D:4      | Noticed Pikel
  4573 | Temple   | Killed a slave
  4636 | Temple   | Killed a slave
  4786 | D:4      | Found a runed door.
  4974 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 35/48 MP: 7/7
  5160 | D:4      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  5162 | D:4      | perfect!
  5176 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  5495 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
  5516 | D:3      | HP: 1/49 [Pikel/whip of freezing (2)]
  6658 | D:4      | #water cheese
  6658 | D:4      | shite species fam
  6950 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 54/54 MP: 8/8
  7011 | D:4      | noice
  7090 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7090 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  7944 | D:4      | Reached * piety under Nemelex Xobeh
  8186 | D:4      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  8229 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  8323 | D:4      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  8329 | D:4      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  8362 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  8430 | D:5      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  8438 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  8584 | Ossuary  | Reached XP level 9. HP: 51/62 MP: 9/9
  9521 | D:5      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  9686 | D:5      | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  9894 | D:6      | Noticed Eustachio
  9908 | D:6      | Killed Eustachio
 10524 | D:6      | Noticed Duvessa
 10524 | D:6      | Noticed Dowan
 10533 | D:6      | Killed Duvessa
 10538 | D:6      | Killed Dowan
 10623 | D:6      | Noticed Edmund
 10629 | D:6      | Killed Edmund
 10637 | D:6      | Noticed seren's ghost (novice MiGl)
 10873 | D:6      | Killed seren's ghost
 10873 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
 10873 | D:6      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 36/69 MP: 10/10
 11250 | D:6      | Reached ** piety under Nemelex Xobeh
 11281 | D:6      | Got a dazzling dagger
 11282 | D:6      | Identified the +5 dagger "Faibyd" {freeze, rElec rF- Dex+3 Stlth+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 11318 | D:6      | Noticed Menkaure
 11329 | D:6      | Killed Menkaure
 11615 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
 11617 | D:7      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 11621 | D:7      | noice
 11707 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 12522 | D:7      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 12525 | D:7      | Got a transparent brass ring
 12526 | D:7      | Identified the ring "Rinov" {rF+ Str+3 Dex+3 Stlth+} (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
 12527 | D:7      | hehehehehehe
 13215 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 13687 | D:8      | Found Zonno's Jewellery Shop.
 13693 | D:8      | Bought a +2 amulet of reflection for 97 gold pieces
 13694 | D:8      | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from magic for 325 gold pieces
 13695 | D:8      | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 13821 | D:8      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 13821 | D:8      | Noticed an angel
 13823 | D:8      | Found a runed door.
 13829 | D:8      | Reached *** piety under Nemelex Xobeh
 14646 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 76/76 MP: 13/13
 14678 | D:9      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 14982 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 15006 | D:9      | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
 15020 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 15045 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 16835 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 17223 | D:10     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 17234 | D:10     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 17396 | D:10     | Reached **** piety under Nemelex Xobeh
 17654 | D:11     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 17661 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 17913 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 18103 | D:11     | Noticed Fannar
 18117 | D:11     | Killed Fannar
 18351 | D:11     | You fall through a shaft for 3 floors!
 18351 | D:14     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 18351 | D:14     | Noticed a deep elf mage
 18351 | D:14     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 18354 | D:14     | Noticed a centaur warrior
 18356 | D:14     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 18362 | D:14     | Killed a deep elf mage
 18695 | D:13     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 18708 | D:13     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 18794 | D:13     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 86/86 MP: 16/16
 18882 | D:13     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 18882 | D:13     | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 18891 | D:13     | Killed a two-headed ogre
 19016 | D:13     | Noticed a centaur warrior
 19027 | D:13     | HP: 2/86 [centaur warrior/arrow (8)]
 19826 | D:13     | Killed a centaur warrior
 20021 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 20021 | Lair:1   | Noticed Harold
 20028 | Lair:1   | Killed Harold
 20342 | D:11     | Noticed Erolcha
 20344 | D:11     | fuck that man
 20344 | D:11     | fuck that
 20707 | Lair:1   | Noticed Gastronok
 20709 | Lair:1   | Noticed Sonja
 20776 | Lair:1   | Killed Gastronok
 20812 | Lair:1   | Noticed Nergalle
 20821 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 20839 | Lair:1   | Killed Sonja
 20839 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 20839 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
 20857 | Lair:1   | Killed Nergalle
 20857 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 20860 | Lair:1   | hehehehehehe
 22171 | Lair:2   | Found a frozen archway.
 22183 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 22190 | IceCv    | Reached XP level 13. HP: 93/93 MP: 19/19
 22494 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 22851 | Lair:2   | Reached ***** piety under Nemelex Xobeh
 22912 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 22956 | Lair:2   | Noticed Erica
 22967 | Lair:2   | Killed Erica
 24333 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
 24634 | Lair:3   | Paralysed by a hornet for 1 turns
 24844 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 24874 | Lair:3   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 25608 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 25664 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 26462 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 26515 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 26650 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/102 MP: 21/21
 29042 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 29571 | Lair:5   | Noticed an entropy weaver
 29926 | Lair:5   | Noticed an entropy weaver
 29934 | Lair:5   | Killed an entropy weaver
 29963 | Lair:5   | holy shit, there' still more
 30436 | Lair:5   | Killed an entropy weaver
 31279 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 31898 | Lair:5   | Upgraded the game from 0.20-a0-640-g62ed22f to 0.20-a0-641-g673355a
 32030 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 32957 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 33204 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 94/109 MP: 23/23
 33264 | Lair:6   | Vajrapani: ??elixir
 33264 | Lair:6   | beem: elixir card[1/1]: Restores health and/or magic over time, at a rate of 10% maxHP/MP per turn. Power 0: 10-30% health or 30-70% magic. Power 1: 30-50% health if at <50% HP, 100% magic otherwise. Power 2: 100% HP and MP. Found in deck of escape.
 34162 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 34338 | Lair:6   | Noticed an azure jelly
 35532 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 35996 | D:12     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 36333 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 36489 | Orc:1    | Found a dark tunnel.
 36570 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 36570 | Orc:2    | Found Pabbe's Armour Shoppe.
 36695 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 36758 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 37325 | Orc:2    | Found Miecsyze's Gadget Shoppe.
 37425 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 38768 | D:8      | Bought an uncursed ring of see invisible for 195 gold pieces
 39516 | Orc:2    | Found Cedyischo's General Store.
 39516 | Orc:2    | Found Kumm's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 39517 | Orc:2    | Found Weopysm's Armour Shoppe.
 39517 | Orc:2    | Found Oschuum's Assorted Antiques.
 39526 | Orc:2    | Bought a hardcover book for 360 gold pieces
 39527 | Orc:2    | simply fuck my shit up
 39737 | D:13     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 40194 | D:13     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 112/117 MP: 25/25
 40213 | D:13     | Reached ****** piety under Nemelex Xobeh
 40387 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 40651 | D:14     | Got a pitted amber ring
 40652 | D:14     | Identified the ring of Reimbursement {rN+ Str+4} (You acquired it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 40688 | D:14     | Identified the cursed +0 cloak "Uzu Tanu" {rPois Str+4 Dex+4 Stlth+} (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 40733 | D:14     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 41310 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 41317 | D:15     | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat
 41450 | D:15     | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 41484 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 42309 | D:15     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
 42719 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 42948 | Spider:1 | HP: 3/118 [redback (11)]
 42958 | Lair:3   | HP: 2/118 [redback (7)]
 44006 | Spider:1 | Noticed Agnes
 44016 | Spider:1 | Killed Agnes
 44113 | Spider:1 | HP: 5/119 [disintegration (30)]
 44120 | Spider:1 | Blown up by an orb spider

Vault maps used:
D:1:      dpeg_arrival_ratfight
D:2:      fedhas_altar_4, uniq_robin
D:3:      first_bread, tgw_xom
D:4:      lemuel_castle_with_subvaults, minmay_temple_entry_junction,
          minmay_misc_feat_rows, trog_eyes_of_draining, uniq_pikel,
          uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage
D:5:      enter_ossuary_3, corner_web_ring, nicolae_zen_rock_garden
D:6:      minmay_opposing_rooms, uniq_eustachio, uniq_menkaure, uniq_duvessa,
          uniq_edmund
D:8:      serial_shops, shop, lemuel_angel_altar
D:9:      lemuel_round_altar
D:11:     uniq_erolcha, uniq_fannar
D:12:     david_orc_4, minivault_4
D:13:     david_vaults_5, the_bakery
D:14:     kennysheep_spiral_hall
D:15:     hangedman_depths_entry_try_elsewhere_first, minmay_stone_trees_small,
          grunt_dithmenos_smoke
Temple:   regret_index_temple_chain_breaker
Lair:1:   beast_lair_carwin_8, uniq_gastronok, uniq_harold, uniq_nergalle,
          uniq_sonja
Lair:2:   portal_ice_cave_entry_pillars_2, small_statue_intersection, uniq_erica
Lair:3:   spider_nest_entry_webs, roderic_carrion_pond
Lair:4:   regret_index_tunnel_blossom, minmay_swamp_entry_worms,
          minmay_hedge_maze, serial_bayou_shore_b
Lair:5:   minivault_29, infiniplex_staircase_pool, grunt_megastairs_3
Lair:6:   minmay_lair_end_frog_pond, nicolae_slime_entry_slimehenge,
          bobbens_dragon_lair_wall, uniq_nessos
Spider:1: hive_lemuel, uniq_agnes
Orc:1:    enter_volcano_2
Orc:2:    st_orc_ogre_mass, serial_shops, shop,
          nicolae_shop_temple_entry_statues_fountains
Ossuary:  ossuary_tomb_1
IceCv:    ice_cave_statue_garden_teleport

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------------+-----
Unarmed Combat |     3     4     5  6  8 10    11 12 13 14    15 | 15.2
Stealth        |        2     3  4  5  7  9 10                11 | 11.2
Fighting       |                 4     6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 | 14.1
Invocations    |                             3  6  8 10 11 12    | 12.7
Dodging        |                             5  8 10          12 | 12.2
Shields        |                                   4  7  9 10    | 10.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |    87 |   173 |   411 |   576 |  1364 |   307 ||  2918
       Constrict         |    25 |    38 |   111 |    68 |   209 |    51 ||   502
       Tentacles         |    12 |    32 |    96 |   147 |   406 |   114 ||   807
       Punch             |     2 |     4 |    28 |    67 |   214 |    61 ||   376
       Dagger            |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
 Fire: Hunting sling     |     7 |     9 |    28 |    77 |    11 |       ||   132
Throw: Throwing net      |       |       |     2 |     3 |     9 |       ||    14
       Stone             |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
Invok: Stack Five        |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Deck              |       |       |     8 |    19 |    37 |     8 ||    72
       Wand              |       |       |       |       |     2 |     6 ||     8
  Use: Scroll            |     1 |     2 |    11 |    12 |    14 |     4 ||    44
       Potion            |       |     1 |     2 |     3 |     3 |     5 ||    14
 Stab: Sleeping          |     6 |     5 |     6 |    13 |    10 |     7 ||    47
       Distracted        |       |       |     2 |     2 |    10 |     1 ||    15
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |       ||     2
       Petrifying        |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Petrified         |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |     2 |     2 ||     4
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |    10 |    17 |    32 |    46 |     8 ||   116
       Royal jelly       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     4 |     2 ||     8
       Fruit             |       |       |       |     4 |     4 |     1 ||     9
Armor: Skin              |     5 |     5 |    32 |    37 |    49 |    18 ||   146
Dodge: Dodged            |    32 |    47 |   128 |   228 |   499 |   121 ||  1055
Block: Shield            |    27 |    46 |   153 |   362 |   941 |   260 ||  1789
       Reflection        |       |       |       |    16 |    18 |    12 ||    46



Here's the dump, it was due to underestimating orb spiders, and it was pretty dumb of me, but I guarantee I would have died sooner or later to poison as I only had 1 curing left, and it was the only one left in the game.

[celtis]

Just play a caster, don't stand next to monsters, don't stand in range of multiple ranged monsters?

[VeryAngryFelid]

This dump should be added to bookmarks for "you don't need rPois in Lair branches" discussions.

[Magipi]

This dump should be added to bookmarks for "you don't need rPois in Lair branches" discussions.

To be fair, those arguments are probably about normal characters. If you play a terrible challenge race like octopode, everything is hard.

[VeryAngryFelid]

To be fair, those arguments are probably about normal characters. If you play a terrible challenge race like octopode, everything is hard.

Ok, then I am proponent of "you don't need anything except one rF+" because of MiBe.

[bel]

I don't see anything too wrong in the dump regarding skilling etc.

You had a ton of decks; you could have just spammed summoning if you were having trouble with spiders.
Other things you could have tried:
(a) Do Swamp first if you were having problems with rPois.
(b) Do Elf (except the end vault), or at least poke your head into Elf:1. Roxanne can generate in Elf (for Statue Form) and you can often find shops there.

[Lasty]

I've won octopodes of every background, and I almost never use transmutations, particularly statue form. As Rast says above, octopodes have access to 3/4 primary defensive skills for melee: Fighting, Dodging, and Shields. Make use of them.

However, like other no-body-armor species, you really should be using magic, given that you have no penalties to doing so. Going heavy into any of the good magic schools -- summons, necromancy, hexes, conjurations -- will help reduce the number of situations where you have to expose yourself to bodily harm.

You also have more or less no reason not to have a good stealth score, given the massive stealth apt and native stealth boost on octopodes. You should use that to pick your battles and avoid taking on big groups.

Here are a few morgues for examples:
http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgu ... 170930.txt -- OpWr that mostly used demon trident melee and death channel
http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgu ... 013821.txt -- OpAE that found Monstrous Menagerie on D:7 and hard-switched into hardcore summons by Lair:1, used summoning/dtrident for endgame
http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgu ... 003458.txt -- OpIE using staff of cold / Ozo's Refridge spam backed by throw icicle and bolt of cold
http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgu ... 023609.txt -- OpAK using morningstar/great mace, no shields by vaults, light hexes/charms magic into Dragon's Call / !brilliance end game
http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ ... 002326.txt -- OpWn polearm focus terminating in vamp bardiche, no shields, light magic, shadow creatures trained at endgame
http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/ ... 173818.txt -- OpAs demon blade / shield, throwing, no magic training, no Trog.