What would you do in this situation?


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Post Sunday, 22nd January 2017, 12:09

What would you do in this situation?

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-487-g7fc62c3 (webtiles) character file.

ssteam the Spear-Bearer (Merfolk Ice Elementalist) Turns: 12084, Time: 00:46:55

HP:   75/75 (76)    AC: 10    Str: 12    XL:     10   Next: 56%
MP:   18/18         EV: 13    Int: 17    God:    Qazlal [***...]
Gold: 288           SH: 10    Dex: 18    Spells: 6/20 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    a - +1 dagger (venom)
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    v - +1 robe {rC+}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    +    J - +0 buckler
rPois  +          Spirit   .    K - +2 helmet
rElec  .          Reflect  .    u - +0 cloak
rCorr  .          Harm     .    T - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR     .....                    (no boots)
Stlth  ++........               Q - amulet of faith
Regen  0.2/turn                 s - +3 ring of strength
                                A - ring of poison resistance

@: repel missiles
A: change form in water, swift swim, stealthy swim
a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Qazlal.
Qazlal is most pleased with you.
You are hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 11 of its levels.

You have collected 722 gold pieces.
You have spent 434 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +1 dagger of venom (weapon)
 b - a +0 hunting sling
 R - an uncursed trident
 S - an uncursed blowgun
Missiles
 e - 46 poisoned needles
 k - 7 curare-tipped needles
 p - 164 sling bullets
 W - 6 javelins (quivered)
Armour
 n - a +2 robe
 u - a +0 cloak (worn)
 v - a +1 robe of cold resistance (worn)
 J - a +0 buckler (worn)
 K - a +2 helmet (worn)
 T - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
Jewellery
 q - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 s - a +3 ring of strength (right hand)
 A - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 G - an uncursed amulet of magic regeneration
 Q - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 Y - an uncursed ring of magical power
Wands
 B - a wand of disintegration (?/24)
 E - a wand of digging (?/24)
 F - a wand of flame (?/48)
 L - a wand of polymorph (?/24)
 O - a wand of disintegration (?/24) {recharged}
 V - a wand of flame (?/48) {zapped: 2}
Scrolls
 d - 5 scrolls of identify
 j - a scroll of fear
 l - 7 scrolls of remove curse
 r - a scroll labeled REMUPA VAMIC
 w - a scroll of recharging
 x - 2 scrolls of blinking
 y - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 D - a scroll of amnesia
 H - a scroll labeled VEKOGG CESAFE
Potions
 h - 2 potions of curing
 m - a potion of agility
 C - 2 potions of heal wounds
 I - 2 potions of might
 N - a potion of flight
Books
 o - a book of Frost   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Freeze                       Ice                           1
    b - Throw Frost                  Conjuration/Ice               2
    c - Ozocubu's Armour             Charms/Ice                    3
    d - Throw Icicle                 Conjuration/Ice               4
    e - Summon Ice Beast             Ice/Summoning                 4
 M - a book of Maledictions   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Corona                       Hexes                         1
    b - Ensorcelled Hibernation      Hexes/Ice                     2
    c - Confuse                      Hexes                         3
    d - Tukima's Dance               Hexes                         3
    e - Dazzling Spray               Conjuration/Hexes             3
 P - a book of Minor Magic   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Magic Dart                   Conjuration                   1
    b - Blink                        Translocation                 2
    c - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    d - Repel Missiles               Charms/Air                    2
    e - Slow                         Hexes                         2
    f - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    g - Mephitic Cloud               Conjuration/Poison/Air        3
 U - a book of Callings   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Small Mammal          Summoning                     1
    b - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    c - Call Canine Familiar         Summoning                     3
    d - Summon Guardian Golem        Hexes/Summoning               3
    e - Summon Lightning Spire       Summoning/Air                 4
    f - Summon Ice Beast             Ice/Summoning                 4
 X - a book of Conjurations   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Magic Dart                   Conjuration                   1
    b - Searing Ray                  Conjuration                   2
    c - Dazzling Spray               Conjuration/Hexes             3
    d - Fulminant Prism              Conjuration/Hexes             4
    e - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast    Conjuration                   4
    f - Iskenderun's Battlesphere    Conjuration/Charms            5
Comestibles
 c - 11 bread rations
 f - 8 slices of pizza
 g - 4 fruits
 t - 2 meat rations
 z - 5 beef jerkies
 Z - 2 royal jellies


   Skills:
 - Level 5.6 Fighting
 + Level 10.0 Polearms
 - Level 2.6 Dodging
 - Level 2.1 Stealth
 - Level 4.0 Shields
 - Level 5.6 Spellcasting
 - Level 1.7 Conjurations
 - Level 3.9 Charms
 - Level 5.9 Summonings
 - Level 8.1 Ice Magic


You have 6 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Freeze                Ice            ####         1%          1    None
b - Throw Frost           Conj/Ice       ###...       2%          2    #......
d - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          24%         2    #......
f - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##....       12%         2    #......
q - Summon Ice Beast      Ice/Summ       ####....     10%         4    ####...
z - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ####....     4%          3    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/15)             Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (1/6) D:9
   Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Lugonu

Shops:
D:9 %??

Annotations:
Lair:1 exclusion: oklob plant

Message History

There is an open door here.
You see here a wand of flame (?/48).
There is an open door here.
All of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
You are feeling hungry.
Done exploring.
Done exploring.
There is a staircase to the Lair here.
You climb downwards. Welcome to the Lair of Beasts!
Marking area around the oklob plant as unsafe for travelling.
A porcupine, 2 crocodiles, an oklob plant, 7 snakes and 3 giant frogs come into view.
The water moccasin hisses angrily. x2; The adder hisses angrily.
The spiny frog gives a loud, deep croak!
The bullfrog croaks. The water moccasin hisses angrily. x2
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
Save game and exit?
Level annotation: exclusion: oklob plant
Welcome back, ssteam the Merfolk Ice Elementalist.
Qazlal says: Let the forces of nature tear it all down!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.

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 #S...@r..S#
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  ##S...S##
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        .


You can see an oklob plant, a spiny frog, 4 water moccasins, 2 crocodiles, 2
bullfrogs, a porcupine and 3 adders.

Would you read ?fear and just flee back into D? Would you read ?blink, and if so in which direction? Would you read ?tele afterwards?

(This is a streak game, in case that would influence your decision)

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Post Sunday, 22nd January 2017, 12:47

Re: What would you do in this situation?

I wouldn't have chosen qzlol, double so with a streak game.

Anyway ?fear and more D for me.
At least around 12ish isn't terrible worse than previous floor and certainly more manageable that situation right now.
D:13/14 can have some harsh vaults' entrance vault but they still may worth to be cleared especially if you avoid the dangerous part
screw it I hate this character I'm gonna go melee Gastronok

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Post Sunday, 22nd January 2017, 12:58

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Fear is pretty safe. Lair monsters have pretty low MR.

Assuming you want to do Lair and not D, I'd simply blink and read tele. The entry vault is harsh, but Lair is usually safer than deeper dungeon floors. Blinking to the right or left both seem fine to me.

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Post Sunday, 22nd January 2017, 13:28

Re: What would you do in this situation?

With qzlol he's soon going to attract all the shit on the level after teleporting, without any safe space to retreat in case there are too many dangerous monsters or if he needs to rest. He could try to dig a kill hole right after teleport to increase largely his chances but it's impossible to know if that would be enough to survive and clear the level safely.

With any other God I'd have also suggest a teleport as an alternative.
screw it I hate this character I'm gonna go melee Gastronok

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Post Sunday, 22nd January 2017, 17:32

Re: What would you do in this situation?

are you playing now/? drop a link.

I would read fear.
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Post Monday, 23rd January 2017, 09:39

Re: What would you do in this situation?

I survived by blinking NE, using the snakes to block the oklob's LOF. I was lucky enough to end up in a corridor with no other monsters nearby, so I cast ozo's, summoned a bunch of ice beasts, and killed the monsters. Most of them were coldblooded so Freeze and SIB worked very well. Later I killed the oklob too with SIB spam.
nago wrote:I wouldn't have chosen qzlol, double so with a streak game.

Anyway ?fear and more D for me.
At least around 12ish isn't terrible worse than previous floor and certainly more manageable that situation right now.
D:13/14 can have some harsh vaults' entrance vault but they still may worth to be cleared especially if you avoid the dangerous part

I make it a rule to (almost) always take the first unwon altar on a non-zealot. Anyway I didn't find the noise so bad, it certainly wasn't attracting the whole level at least. Maybe it's because my piety was low. But yeah, doing D/Orc first was probably the better choice.

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Post Monday, 23rd January 2017, 15:44

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Qazlal was an objectively bad choice for you, but you should probably spend some xp on invocations so you can actually use her active abilities effectively. You already have enough piety to spam a large-AoE nuke for 3mp, which will outdamage anything you can do with your magic. As it is, most of what she's doing for you is killing off your own ice beasts with clouds.

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Post Monday, 23rd January 2017, 16:30

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Scalding Steam wrote:I make it a rule to (almost) always take the first unwon altar on a non-zealot.

That seems a strange conduct. Do you take Sif on a MiFi? Or Qazlal on a SpEn?
(Sorry, accidentally thanked instead of quoting.)

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Post Tuesday, 24th January 2017, 02:33

Re: What would you do in this situation?

KoboldLord wrote:Qazlal was an objectively bad choice for you, but you should probably spend some xp on invocations so you can actually use her active abilities effectively. You already have enough piety to spam a large-AoE nuke for 3mp, which will outdamage anything you can do with your magic. As it is, most of what she's doing for you is killing off your own ice beasts with clouds.

Yeah, I have been doing that. How does upheaval scale with invo, though? I currently have ~10 levels in invo and I'm wondering if I should keep investing in the skill.
bel wrote:
Scalding Steam wrote:I make it a rule to (almost) always take the first unwon altar on a non-zealot.

That seems a strange conduct. Do you take Sif on a MiFi? Or Qazlal on a SpEn?
(Sorry, accidentally thanked instead of quoting.)

There's a reason I said "almost" :)

It's not really a conduct either. I just do it because I enjoy playing with different gods.

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Post Tuesday, 24th January 2017, 06:28

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Scalding Steam wrote:How does upheaval scale with invo, though? I currently have ~10 levels in invo and I'm wondering if I should keep investing in the skill.


More invocations increases the damage and gives you a greater chance of getting more area covered. If there's a meaningful point of diminishing returns beyond the fact that high-level skills get crazy expensive, I haven't been able to detect it through normal play.

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Post Wednesday, 25th January 2017, 15:04

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Have done qaz zigsprint, can confirm that it just gets more awesome.
I'm with tasonir on this one.

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Post Monday, 30th January 2017, 12:13

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Died on Zot:5.
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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.20-a0-487-g7fc62c3 (webtiles) character file.

573988 ssteam the Intangible (level 27, -4/174 HPs)
             Began as a Merfolk Ice Elementalist on Jan 22, 2017.
             Was an Elder of Qazlal.
             Killed from afar by an orb of fire (21 damage)
             ... with a fireball
             ... on level 5 of the Realm of Zot on Jan 30, 2017.
             The game lasted 06:07:28 (73645 turns).

ssteam the Intangible (Merfolk Ice Elementalist)   Turns: 73645, Time: 06:07:29

Health: -4/174     AC: 19    Str: 13 (14) XL:     27
Magic:  0/25       EV: 41    Int: 14 (15) God:    Qazlal [****..]
Gold:   402        SH:  5    Dex: 23 (24) Spells: 20/42 levels left

rFire  + + .      SeeInvis +    a - +9 glaive (flame)
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    p - +2 robe {MR+}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    +    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  .          Spirit   .    K - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  .          Reflect  .    u - +2 cloak
rCorr  .          Harm     .    T - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR     +++..      Rnd*Rage +    e - +2 pair of boots {run}
Stlth  +++.......               Q - amulet of faith
Regen  0.3/turn                 J - ring of Due Proportion {rF+ AC+4 Dex+2}
                                q - ring of protection from fire

@: mighty, agile, repel missiles, quick
A: change form in water, swift swim, stealthy swim, berserk 2, blink, blurry
vision 3, clumsy 2, deformed body, deterioration 2, dopey 2, frail 3, low mp 3,
screaming 2, weak 2, subdued magic 1
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy
a: Blink, Upheaval, Elemental Force, Renounce Religion


You were on level 5 of the Realm of Zot.
You worshipped Qazlal.
Qazlal was greatly pleased with you.
You were not hungry.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 51 of its levels.
You also visited: Volcano.

You collected 4811 gold pieces.
You spent 4409 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +9 glaive of flaming (weapon)
Missiles
 n - 8 throwing nets (quivered)
 W - 12 javelins
Armour
 e - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 p - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn)
 u - a +2 cloak (worn)
 K - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 T - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
Jewellery
 q - a ring of protection from fire (left hand)
 s - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion
 x - the brooch of Shielding {Reflect SH+8}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [amulet of reflection]
   
   It shields you and reflects attacks.
   It affects your SH (+8).
 A - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 F - the ring "Temivir" {Ice Str+4 Slay+2 Stlth+}
   (You took it off a vampire knight on level 2 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   
   It enhances your ice magic.
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 J - the ring of Due Proportion (right hand) {rF+ AC+4 Dex+2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 14 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
 Q - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 X - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 Y - an uncursed ring of magical power
Wands
 d - a wand of acid (1/15)
 z - a wand of acid (4/15)
 B - a wand of paralysis (15/24)
 E - a wand of digging (11/24)
 R - a wand of iceblast (5/15)
 S - a wand of lightning (7/15)
 U - a wand of scattershot (5/9)
Scrolls
 f - 4 scrolls of vulnerability
 j - 8 scrolls of fear
 l - 18 scrolls of remove curse
 o - 4 scrolls of fog
 r - a scroll of magic mapping
 v - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 w - 6 scrolls of recharging
 y - a scroll of teleportation
 C - a scroll of holy word
 L - 2 scrolls of blinking
 P - a scroll of summoning
 V - 8 scrolls of identify
Potions
 h - 4 potions of curing
 i - 2 potions of invisibility
 m - 3 potions of agility
 I - a potion of might
 M - 2 potions of haste
 N - 3 potions of flight
 Z - 6 potions of brilliance
Miscellaneous
 b - a fan of gales
 k - a box of beasts
 H - a sack of spiders
 O - a lamp of fire
Comestibles
 c - 17 bread rations
 g - 11 fruits


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 + Level 22.3 Polearms
 O Level 27 Dodging
 - Level 6.1 Stealth
   Level 4.0 Shields
 - Level 8.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 1.7 Conjurations
 - Level 6.4 Hexes
 - Level 5.5 Charms
 - Level 7.0 Summonings
 - Level 2.7 Necromancy
 - Level 4.1 Translocations
 - Level 9.9 Ice Magic
 - Level 20.1 Invocations


You had 20 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      ##........   1%          2    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          2%          2    None
c - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ##........   8%          3    ##.....
d - Throw Frost           Conj/Ice       ###...       1%          2    None
e - Freeze                Ice            ####         1%          1    None
f - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##....       8%          2    None
q - Summon Ice Beast      Ice/Summ       ###.....     4%          4    ####...
x - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       ###.....     2%          3    ##.....
z - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ###.....     1%          3    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (6/6) D:9
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:2        Snake (4/4) Lair:2        Slime (5/5) Lair:5
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:14
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (5/5) D:15            Zot (5/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Lugonu

Shops:
D:9 %??   D:12 *%[[   D:13 (   D:14 :%:=*   Orc:2 ?%*[   Vaults:1 *
Depths:1 *   Depths:2 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:1 Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:4

Annotations:
Snake:4 choi's ghost, adept MfGl
Slime:3 exclusion: upstairs
Zot:2 exclusion: downstairs
Zot:3 exclusion: 2 upstairs
Zot:4 exclusion: upstairs
Zot:5 exclusion: 2 upstairs


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You revert to your normal form in water.
You are very nimble and swift while swimming.
You are very stealthy in the water. (Stealth+)
You often lose your temper in combat.
You can translocate small distances at will.
Scrolls take you much longer to read.
You are very clumsy. (Dex -4)
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
Your body often deteriorates upon taking damage.
You are very dopey. (Int -4)
You are extremely frail. (-30% HP)
Your magical capacity is extremely low. (-30% MP)
You sometimes yell uncontrollably at your foes.
You are very weak. (Str -4)
Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful.


Message History

The fireball explodes! The fireball engulfs you! You resist.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink.
The orb of fire glows red.
Strange energies course through your body.
Your connection to magic feels subdued.
The electric golem blinks!
The orb of fire glows red.
Strange energies course through your body.
You feel angry.
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink.
The electric golem hurls lightning at you.
The bolt of lightning misses you.
The orb of fire glows bright magenta.
The fireball explodes! The fireball engulfs you! You resist.
You die...

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You could see an orb of fire, a Killer Klown and an electric golem.

Vanquished Creatures
  Dissolution (Slime:4)
  the Royal Jelly (Slime:5)
  5 ancient liches
  7 orbs of fire (Zot:5)
  Mennas (Vaults:2)
  3 Killer Klowns
  A curse toe (Zot:2)
  8 golden dragons
  A profane servitor (Depths:1)
  6 electric golems
  3 liches
  10 tentacled monstrosities
  Rupert (D:15)
  19 Orb Guardians (Zot:5)
  3 quicksilver dragons
  5 death cobs
  19 acid blobs
  A thorn hunter (Swamp:3)
  2 sphinxes (Depths:5)
  Agnes (Snake:1)
  11 storm dragons
  3 shadow dragons (Depths:5)
  The ghost of epsik the Warrior, an adept DsGl of Makhleb (Swamp:4)
  3 tengu reavers
  6 nagarajas
  7 azure jellies
  2 orc warlords
  A deep elf sorcerer (Vaults:3)
  8 fire giants
  6 frost giants
  4 draconian knights
  An iron dragon (Depths:5)
  4 draconian shifters
  4 draconian scorchers
  2 deep elf elementalists
  11 vault wardens
  15 stone giants
  14 ironheart preservers
  27 very ugly things
  3 draconian annihilators
  A deep elf demonologist (Vaults:3)
  3 vampire knights
  7 black draconians
  5 purple draconians
  A dire elephant (Lair:6)
  8 green draconians
  3 deep elf annihilators
  5 white draconians
  3 yellow draconians
  9 red draconians
  5 spark wasps
  6 ettins
  A crystal guardian (Vaults:4)
  7 death oozes
  2 pearl dragon zombies (Depths:1)
  A merfolk impaler (D:15)
  13 yaktaur captains
  A deep elf death mage (Vaults:3)
  14 fire dragons
  16 hydras
  15 great orbs of eyes
  18 naga warriors
  5 rakshasas
  3 catoblepae
  6 spriggan air magi
  13 vault guards
  Harold (Lair:1)
  16 ogre magi
  7 centaur warriors
  13 ice dragons
  5 ghost crabs
  9 anacondas
  A death yak (Lair:6)
  45 two-headed ogres
  8 deep troll earth magi
  9 deep troll shamans
  5 death knights
  4 alligators
  A spriggan berserker (Depths:5)
  4 tengu warriors
  17 naga sharpshooters
  An orc high priest (Orc:2)
  3 hell hogs (Depths:1)
  3 vampire magi
  6 deep elf knights
  9 shock serpents
  A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  4 iron trolls
  7 unseen horrors
  A skeletal warrior (D:13)
  12 sea snakes
  33 deep trolls
  4 flayed ghosts
  11 swamp dragons
  An unseen horror (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  7 glowing orange brains
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:3)
  4 naga ritualists
  A shambling mangrove (Swamp:2)
  5 wizards
  7 deep elf archers
  13 orc knights
  Pikel (D:4)
  3 harpies (Vaults:2)
  A harpy (shapeshifter) (Depths:4)
  9 ironbrand convokers
  3 lindwurms
  4 large abominations (Depths:4)
  3 orc sorcerers
  14 mana vipers
  3 wolf spiders
  A mana viper (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  12 deep elf magi
  6 shining eyes
  3 oklob plants (Lair:3)
  2 cyclopes
  3 manticores
  35 ugly things
  18 moths of wrath
  3 elephants (Lair:6)
  38 black mambas
  5 guardian serpents
  21 naga magi
  4 apis skeletons (Depths:1)
  9 salamanders
  3 centaur zombies
  A molten gargoyle (Depths:2)
  A gargoyle (D:12)
  9 vault sentinels
  15 spiny frogs
  A spiny frog (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  A smoke demon (Volcano)
  2 rime drakes
  6 komodo dragons
  3 eyes of devastation
  46 yaktaurs
  9 freezing wraiths
  4 kobold demonologists
  An efreet (D:15)
  A tengu conjurer (D:15)
  2 wind drakes (shapeshifter)
  2 tyrant leeches
  A jumping spider (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  92 slime creatures
  2 polar bears
  6 trolls
  8 hornets
  A hippogriff (shapeshifter) (Depths:5)
  3 bog bodies (Swamp:4)
  12 dream sheep (Lair:6)
  4 hippogriffs
  7 blink frogs
  2 spriggans (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  23 yaks
  3 shadows
  7 water elementals
  6 wraiths
  2 yaks (shapeshifter)
  3 spriggans
  2 wyverns
  10 air elementals (Depths:5)
  2 hogs (D:7)
  A human (D:7)
  2 basilisks
  A fire elemental (Depths:4)
  3 chaos spawn (Depths:4)
  12 vampire mosquitoes
  Grum (Lair:1)
  3 wargs
  14 swamp worms
  8 insubstantial wisps
  A warg (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  68 nagas
  3 soldier ants
  4 acid dragons
  A spatial vortex (Depths:4)
  7 water moccasins
  5 porcupines
  11 swamp drakes
  2 floating eyes
  A meliai simulacrum (D:15)
  A black bear (Lair:2)
  29 orc warriors
  A black bear (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  5 sky beasts
  5 phantoms
  4 eyes of draining
  3 sky beasts (shapeshifter)
  4 ice beasts
  49 ogres
  3 small abominations (Depths:4)
  A necrophage (D:8)
  8 boggarts
  An eye of draining (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  9 wolves
  19 centaurs
  11 crocodiles
  3 big kobolds (D:14)
  10 bullfrogs
  A scorpion (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  2 wyvern skeletons (D:10)
  5 scorpions
  3 killer bees (D:11)
  11 wights
  6 electric eels (Snake:2)
  A howler monkey (D:8)
  11 crimson imps
  7 jellies
  13 orc priests
  2 bullfrog skeletons
  2 centaur skeletons
  7 hounds
  An iron imp (Depths:2)
  16 orc wizards
  Jessica (D:2)
  5 iguanas
  Terence (D:2)
  Natasha (twice) (D:2)
  13 worker ants
  A hell rat (Lair:5)
  A worker ant (shapeshifter) (Depths:5)
  A hound zombie (D:10)
  A howler monkey zombie (D:5)
  A worker ant zombie (D:9)
  A gnoll (D:3)
  13 adders
  4 shadow imps
  2 worms
  2 adder skeletons
  2 adder zombies
  3 dart slugs
  7 leopard geckos
  82 orcs
  A ball python (D:3)
  6 bats
  A giant cockroach (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  11 giant cockroaches
  9 goblins
  5 hobgoblins
  3 jackals (D:11)
  7 quokkas
  A ball python skeleton (D:4)
  6 frilled lizards
  3 jackal skeletons
  16 kobolds
  A leopard gecko skeleton (D:6)
  A quokka skeleton (D:6)
  5 rats
  2 briar patches (Swamp:3)
  30 plants
  29 spectral weapons
1867 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A juggernaut (Depths:2)
  A caustic shrike (Depths:2)
  2 nagarajas (Snake:4)
  Louise (Swamp:3)
  A stone giant (Vaults:2)
  The ghost of lovekoma the Quickloader, a journeyman FoHu of Okawaru (D:12)
  2 vault guards (D:14)
  A catoblepas (D:13)
  4 naga warriors
  3 alligators
  2 anacondas
  A ghost crab (Swamp:2)
  6 hydras
  4 two-headed ogres
  2 ogre magi
  3 death yaks (Lair:6)
  A deep troll shaman (Lair:6)
  2 shock serpents (Snake:1)
  A spriggan (Swamp:3)
  A deep troll (Vaults:1)
  2 spriggan druids (Swamp:3)
  A sea snake (Snake:2)
  5 swamp dragons
  2 shambling mangroves
  An orc knight (Orc:2)
  2 deep elf magi
  A phantasmal warrior (D:13)
  2 oklob plants
  2 mana vipers (Lair:2)
  5 ugly things
  2 cyclopes
  A salamander (Snake:2)
  2 black mambas
  Joseph (D:12)
  An elephant (Lair:6)
  3 naga magi
  2 rime drakes
  6 spiny frogs
  A yaktaur (Vaults:1)
  2 komodo dragons
  A tengu conjurer (D:14)
  A troll (D:12)
  5 hornets
  3 tyrant leeches
  7 slime creatures
  A hippogriff (D:8)
  5 dream sheep
  4 blink frogs
  A bog body (Swamp:3)
  8 yaks
  2 hogs (D:7)
  A steam dragon (Lair:4)
  A wyvern (D:8)
  4 vampire mosquitoes (D:9)
  Menkaure (D:4)
  3 swamp worms
  2 wargs
  3 nagas
  7 water moccasins
  A hell hound (Lair:5)
  3 porcupines
  3 black bears
  A swamp drake (Swamp:3)
  10 orc warriors
  2 sky beasts
  A phantom (D:8)
  A slave (D:4)
  9 ogres
  2 boggarts (D:14)
  A centaur (D:8)
  2 wolves (Lair:6)
  3 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:7)
  7 bullfrogs
  A scorpion (D:5)
  A crimson imp (D:12)
  2 bullfrog zombies
  6 orc priests
  3 jellies
  5 orc wizards
  Crazy Yiuf (D:7)
  A hound (D:12)
  A bullfrog skeleton (D:4)
  4 hell rats (Lair:5)
  Robin (D:4)
  4 adders
  2 oozes
  A leopard gecko (D:6)
  15 orcs
  A giant cockroach (D:6)
  3 goblins (D:4)
  4 hobgoblins (D:4)
  A quokka (D:7)
  2 kobolds (D:7)
  A butterfly (Lair:3)
  A fungus (Lair:6)
  5 plants
257 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A fire giant (Vaults:3)
  An ironheart preserver (Vaults:1)
  An alligator (Swamp:3)
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:4)
  An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:3)
  A flayed ghost (Vaults:3)
  A lindwurm (Swamp:4)
  2 moths of wrath (Zot:5)
  A black mamba (Snake:4)
  A yaktaur (Vaults:2)
  A slime creature (Depths:1)
  A floating eye (Depths:4)
  A swamp drake (Swamp:4)
  A slave (D:4)
  An ogre (Orc:2)
  A hound (D:4)
  A worker ant (D:4)
  A goblin (D:4)
  A hobgoblin (D:4)
  A quokka (D:6)
  A frilled lizard (D:4)
  A briar patch (Swamp:3)
  12 fungi
  23 plants
  38 spectral weapons
96 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 2220 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | ssteam the Merfolk Ice Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3
   390 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 3/5
   751 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Frost
  1056 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  1208 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 4/6
  1319 | D:2      | Noticed Terence
  1446 | D:2      | Noticed Jessica
  1455 | D:2      | Killed Jessica
  1458 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/30 MP: 3/7
  1467 | D:2      | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast
  1545 | D:2      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  1606 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1628 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  1628 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
  2093 | D:2      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  2171 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  2181 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  2181 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 30/35 MP: 4/8
  2190 | D:2      | Killed Terence
  2803 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 38/41 MP: 5/9
  3185 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic
  3831 | D:4      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  3839 | D:4      | Noticed an air elemental
  3839 | D:4      | Noticed a fire elemental
  3839 | D:4      | Noticed a water elemental
  3839 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  3839 | D:4      | Noticed a slave
  4150 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 45/46 MP: 5/10
  4178 | D:4      | Noticed Pikel
  4217 | D:4      | Killed Pikel
  4217 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings
  4217 | D:4      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 27/52 MP: 1/11
  4365 | D:4      | Learned a level 3 spell: Ozocubu's Armour
  4365 | D:4      | Became a worshipper of Qazlal Stormbringer
  4428 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
  4593 | D:4      | Noticed Menkaure
  4601 | D:4      | Killed Menkaure
  4697 | D:4      | Noticed Robin
  4709 | D:4      | Killed Robin
  5910 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6105 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Qazlal
  6239 | D:5      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  6245 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  6269 | D:5      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
  6783 | D:6      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  7196 | D:6      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  7404 | D:6      | Noticed a two-headed ogre
  7422 | D:6      | Killed a two-headed ogre
  7422 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  7422 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 28/57 MP: 7/17
  7665 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  7774 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  7803 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  7925 | D:6      | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
  7928 | D:6      | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
  8323 | D:7      | Reached ** piety under Qazlal
  8326 | D:7      | HP: 8/57 [bullfrog zombie (6)]
  8329 | D:7      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  8706 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  8937 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  9079 | D:7      | Found a runed door.
  9098 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  9197 | D:7      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  9363 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 76/76 MP: 18/18
  9556 | D:7      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  9760 | D:7      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  9772 | D:7      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  9936 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms
 10336 | D:8      | Reached *** piety under Qazlal
 10524 | D:8      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
 11050 | D:9      | Found Pisipy's Magic Scroll Emporium.
 11070 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of blinking for 112 gold pieces
 11075 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 112 gold pieces
 11102 | D:9      | Found Fata's Magic Scroll Emporium.
 11103 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11110 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 105 gold pieces
 11110 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 105 gold pieces
 11806 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms
 11827 | D:9      | Found Nuggumo's Food Shoppe.
 11828 | D:9      | Found Qetzum's Gadget Boutique.
 12083 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 12083 | Lair:1   | Noticed a spiny frog
 12083 | Lair:1   | Noticed an oklob plant
 12101 | Lair:1   | Killed a spiny frog
 12104 | Lair:1   | Reached **** piety under Qazlal
 12388 | Lair:1   | Killed an oklob plant
 12546 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 66/80 MP: 19/19
 12707 | Lair:1   | Noticed Harold
 12724 | Lair:1   | Killed Harold
 12996 | Lair:1   | Noticed Grum
 13045 | Lair:1   | Killed Grum
 13811 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 13937 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 13966 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 13974 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 14371 | Lair:2   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 14392 | Lair:2   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 14419 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 14492 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 15200 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 86/86 MP: 20/20
 15208 | Lair:3   | Noticed a catoblepas
 15246 | Lair:3   | Killed a catoblepas
 17025 | Lair:5   | Reached ***** piety under Qazlal
 17242 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 17322 | Lair:5   | Found a dark tunnel.
 17331 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 17981 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 18633 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 18730 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 51/101 MP: 14/21
 19275 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 20469 | Lair:6   | Noticed a dire elephant
 20479 | Lair:6   | Killed a dire elephant
 20753 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 21333 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 21791 | D:10     | Got a polished hunting sling
 21792 | D:10     | Identified the +5 hunting sling "Saofog" {freeze, rElec} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
 22423 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 22446 | D:11     | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 22453 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 22463 | Orc:1    | Noticed an orc warlord
 22480 | Orc:1    | Killed an orc warlord
 23193 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 23501 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 23683 | Orc:2    | Reached XP level 14. HP: 111/115 MP: 3/22
 24715 | Orc:2    | Found Zoibi's General Store.
 24715 | Orc:2    | Found Fakyxohe's Magic Scroll Shop.
 24716 | Orc:2    | Found Hiruekk's Armour Boutique.
 24716 | Orc:2    | Found Fyshudown's Food Shoppe.
 24723 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of fog for 30 gold pieces
 24726 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 39 gold pieces
 24726 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of fear for 45 gold pieces
 24726 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 24900 | Orc:2    | Noticed an orc warlord
 24929 | Orc:2    | Killed an orc warlord
 25113 | Orc:2    | Bought a wand of acid (2/15) for 180 gold pieces
 25115 | Orc:2    | Bought a potion of degeneration for 15 gold pieces
 25120 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 25120 | Orc:2    | Bought a scroll of summoning for 123 gold pieces
 26163 | D:12     | Found Liuq's Assorted Antiques.
 26165 | D:12     | Found Saesaock's Food Boutique.
 26167 | D:12     | Found Vaokozen's Antique Armour Boutique.
 26172 | D:12     | Found Tatetos's Armour Boutique.
 26251 | D:12     | Noticed lovekoma's ghost (journeyman FoHu)
 26262 | D:12     | Noticed Joseph
 26275 | D:12     | Killed lovekoma's ghost
 26530 | D:12     | Killed Joseph
 26574 | D:12     | Bought a scroll of identify for 56 gold pieces
 26574 | D:12     | Bought a scroll labeled BIZEIPPURPH for 28 gold pieces
 26600 | D:12     | Bought a +2 pair of boots of running for 622 gold pieces
 26626 | D:12     | Bought a gold wand for 112 gold pieces
 26634 | D:12     | Bought a sheer robe for 205 gold pieces
 26644 | D:12     | Identified the +1 robe "Ajaley" {Str+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 26655 | D:12     | Bought a warped robe for 205 gold pieces
 26665 | D:12     | Identified the +0 robe "Zeblymo" {rF+ Dex+2} (You bought it in a shop on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 27652 | D:13     | Found Vetsuh's Weapon Shoppe.
 27662 | D:13     | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 28374 | D:13     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 28859 | D:14     | Found Yshural's Book Shop.
 28934 | D:14     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 104/124 MP: 23/23
 29158 | D:14     | Found Rolit's Food Shoppe.
 29253 | D:14     | Found Nuivaopn's Book Shop.
 29668 | D:13     | Reached ****** piety under Qazlal
 30026 | D:14     | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 30123 | D:14     | Found Vausm's Jewellery Shoppe.
 30196 | D:14     | Found Rudu Foe's General Store.
 30355 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 30416 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 30450 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 30522 | D:15     | Noticed Rupert
 30534 | D:15     | Killed Rupert
 30597 | D:15     | Noticed a fire giant
 30988 | D:15     | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 31147 | D:15     | Killed a fire giant
 31408 | D:15     | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms
 31495 | D:15     | Found a runed door.
 31741 | D:15     | Noticed a tengu reaver
 31748 | D:15     | Killed a tengu reaver
 32211 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 34141 | Swamp:3  | Reached XP level 16. HP: 133/133 MP: 1/24
 34628 | Swamp:2  | HP: 14/133 [eight-headed hydra (13)]
 35210 | Swamp:3  | Noticed Louise
 35235 | Swamp:3  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 35241 | Swamp:3  | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 35331 | Swamp:3  | Killed Louise
 35410 | Swamp:3  | Killed a thorn hunter
 36251 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 36262 | Swamp:4  | Noticed epsik's ghost (adept DsGl)
 40472 | Swamp:3  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 41045 | Swamp:4  | Killed epsik's ghost
 41316 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 41944 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 42583 | Lair:2   | HP: 10/133 [shock serpent (11)]
 42589 | Lair:2   | HP: 11/133 [poisoned by a black mamba]
 42589 | Lair:2   | HP: 2/133 [shock serpent/bolt of electricity (9)]
 42592 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 17. HP: 10/139 MP: 1/26
 44679 | D:14     | Bought a book of Battle for 560 gold pieces
 44683 | D:14     | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
 44687 | D:14     | Learned a level 3 spell: Spectral Weapon
 45170 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 45341 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
 45720 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 45840 | Snake:2  | Noticed Agnes
 45856 | Snake:1  | Killed Agnes
 47940 | Snake:3  | Reached XP level 18. HP: 141/148 MP: 30/30
 48228 | Snake:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Snake Pit
 48287 | Snake:4  | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 49058 | Snake:4  | Noticed choi's ghost (adept MfGl)
 50414 | Snake:4  | Got a serpentine rune of Zot
 51013 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 51018 | Vaults:1 | Found Waqiam's General Store.
 51060 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 136/159 MP: 31/31
 51129 | Vaults:1 | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 95 gold pieces
 51309 | Vaults:1 | You fall through a shaft!
 52674 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Mennas
 53046 | Vaults:2 | Killed Mennas
 54024 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 160/172 MP: 32/32
 55020 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 55020 | Vaults:3 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 55021 | Vaults:3 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 56755 | Vaults:4 | Paralysed by a great orb of eyes for 6 turns
 56968 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 160/182 MP: 33/33
 57089 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Invocations
 58376 | D:14     | Bought the ring of Due Proportion {rF+ AC+4 Dex+2} for 542 gold pieces
 58433 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
 58447 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
 58795 | D:15     | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes
 59237 | Depths:1 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 59292 | Depths:1 | Found Vuqudenn's General Store.
 59501 | Depths:1 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
 59679 | Depths:1 | Noticed a profane servitor
 59714 | Depths:1 | Killed a profane servitor
 60027 | Depths:1 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 60150 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell.
 60315 | Depths:2 | Noticed a juggernaut
 60347 | Depths:2 | Killed a juggernaut
 60365 | Depths:2 | Paralysed by something for 3 turns
 60371 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 52/192 MP: 20/34
 60848 | Depths:2 | Noticed a caustic shrike
 60857 | Depths:2 | Killed a caustic shrike
 61115 | Depths:2 | Got a twitching lead ring
 61117 | Depths:2 | Identified the ring "Temivir" {Ice Str+4 Slay+2 Stlth+} (You took it off a vampire knight on level 2 of the Depths)
 61574 | Depths:2 | Found Fafaibok's General Store.
 63607 | Depths:4 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
 63691 | Depths:4 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 200/203 MP: 18/35
 64076 | Depths:4 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
 64157 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths
 65082 | Depths:5 | Noticed a golden dragon
 65083 | Depths:5 | Noticed a golden dragon
 65086 | Depths:5 | Killed a golden dragon
 65087 | Depths:5 | Killed a golden dragon
 66013 | Depths:5 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 214/214 MP: 30/35
 66059 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot.
 66409 | Depths:1 | Bought an uncursed ring of resist corrosion for 380 gold pieces
 66409 | Depths:1 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 142 gold pieces
 66619 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 52 gold pieces
 66619 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 112 gold pieces
 66739 | Slime:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Pits of Slime
 67143 | Slime:4  | Noticed Dissolution
 67149 | Slime:4  | Killed Dissolution
 67152 | Slime:4  | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low. (-10% MP) [a shining eye]
 67320 | Slime:5  | Entered Level 5 of the Pits of Slime
 67408 | Slime:5  | Gained mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [a shining eye]
 67411 | Slime:5  | Noticed the Royal Jelly
 67481 | Slime:4  | Gained mutation: Scrolls take you a little longer to read. [a shining eye]
 67482 | Slime:4  | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is very low. (-20% MP) [a shining eye]
 67619 | Slime:5  | Killed the Royal Jelly
 67674 | Slime:4  | Reached skill level 27 in Dodging
 67946 | Slime:5  | Identified the Incunabulum of Enhancements and Flames
 67975 | Slime:5  | Got a slimy rune of Zot
 68077 | Slime:5  | Identified Tistrinot's Incunabulum of Fiery Lightness
 68422 | Vaults:1 | Bought 2 potions of haste for 380 gold pieces
 68546 | Depths:4 | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria
 68660 | Zot:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot
 69308 | Zot:1    | Reached XP level 25. HP: 172/227 MP: 15/28
 70441 | Zot:4    | Noticed a Killer Klown
 70557 | Zot:5    | Entered Level 5 of the Realm of Zot
 70557 | Zot:5    | Noticed a Killer Klown
 70564 | Zot:5    | Killed a Killer Klown
 70677 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
 70908 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
 70916 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
 70923 | Zot:5    | Reached skill level 27 in Fighting
 70944 | Zot:5    | Noticed a Killer Klown
 71186 | Zot:4    | Killed a Killer Klown
 71252 | Zot:4    | Killed an ancient lich
 71440 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
 71454 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
 71584 | Zot:5    | Reached XP level 26. HP: 242/242 MP: 28/28
 71592 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
 71607 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
 71680 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 71680 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes. [an orb of fire]
 71705 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [an orb of fire]
 71707 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
 71747 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 71747 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible. [an orb of fire]
 71758 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
 72323 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72334 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72336 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72338 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72339 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
 72351 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
 72362 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72362 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72366 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful. [an orb of fire]
 72371 | Zot:5    | Lost mutation: Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful. [an orb of fire]
 72376 | Zot:5    | HP: 33/242 [orb of fire/bolt of fire (19)]
 72383 | Zot:5    | Lost mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [an orb of fire]
 72384 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Scrolls take you longer to read. [an orb of fire]
 72385 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You can translocate small distances at will. [an orb of fire]
 72388 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72389 | Zot:5    | HP: 26/242 [orb of fire/fireball (12)]
 72404 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is extremely low. (-30% MP) [an orb of fire]
 72697 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are frail. (-10% HP) [an orb of fire]
 72700 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
 72906 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 72919 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are very frail. (-20% HP) [an orb of fire]
 72922 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
 72934 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
 73108 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 73108 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
 73109 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Scrolls take you much longer to read. [an orb of fire]
 73109 | Zot:5    | Lost mutation: You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible. [an orb of fire]
 73110 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [an orb of fire]
 73124 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are extremely frail. (-30% HP) [an orb of fire]
 73126 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Your body sometimes deteriorates upon taking damage. [an orb of fire]
 73132 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
 73134 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [an orb of fire]
 73161 | Zot:5    | HP: 20/169 [Orb Guardian (42)]
 73162 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You tend to lose your temper in combat. [an orb of fire]
 73169 | Zot:5    | HP: 8/169 [Orb Guardian (28)]
 73172 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Your body often deteriorates upon taking damage. [an orb of fire]
 73175 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
 73175 | Zot:5    | Reached XP level 27. HP: 45/174 MP: 17/25
 73176 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [an orb of fire]
 73177 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are very dopey. (Int -4) [an orb of fire]
 73620 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You sometimes yell uncontrollably at your foes. [an orb of fire]
 73625 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are very clumsy. (Dex -4) [an orb of fire]
 73629 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You are very weak. (Str -4) [an orb of fire]
 73633 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands. [an orb of fire]
 73634 | Zot:5    | Lost mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands. [an orb of fire]
 73642 | Zot:5    | HP: 16/174 [orb of fire/fireball (16)]
 73643 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful. [an orb of fire]
 73643 | Zot:5    | Gained mutation: You often lose your temper in combat. [an orb of fire]
 73645 | Zot:5    | Killed from afar by an orb of fire

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 |
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Conjurations   |     1                                                                         |  1.7
Ice Magic      |        4        5  6  8                 9                                     |  9.9
Summonings     |           2  3  4  5                    7                                     |  7.0
Charms         |                       3                          5                            |  5.5
Spellcasting   |                       5                          8                            |  8.0
Shields        |                          4                                                    |  4.0
Fighting       |                          5        9 12 13 14       16 18 19 20 22 23 25 27    | 27.0
Polearms       |                          2 12 14          17 20                            22 | 22.3
Dodging        |                                6    11 13 14    15 18 20 21 22 24 26 27       | 27.0
Invocations    |                                6 10          13 14          16          17 20 | 20.1
Translocations |                                3  4                                           |  4.1
Stealth        |                                         6                                     |  6.1
Necromancy     |                                                  2                            |  2.7
Hexes          |                                                              6                |  6.4

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Club              |     3 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     3
       Dagger            |    41 |    77 |   292 |   183 |       |       |       |       |       ||   593
       Unarmed           |     1 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Trident           |       |       |       |   603 |  2361 |   321 |       |       |       ||  3285
       Tailslap          |       |       |       |       |    50 |    28 |     8 |     1 |       ||    87
       Glaive            |       |       |       |       |       |  1586 |  1558 |  1377 |   540 ||  5061
 Fire: Hunting sling     |       |    25 |    11 |     8 |       |       |       |       |       ||    44
Throw: Stone             |       |     6 |     3 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     9
       Tomahawk          |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       |       |       ||     2
       Javelin           |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
 Cast: Freeze            |    22 |    54 |    12 |    83 |    41 |    29 |       |       |       ||   241
       Throw Frost       |     1 |     8 |    12 |    13 |     6 |       |       |       |       ||    40
       Summon Ice Beast  |       |     2 |    36 |   111 |   192 |   189 |    48 |     4 |       ||   582
       Ozocubu's Armour  |       |       |     3 |    22 |    61 |    95 |    76 |    79 |    37 ||   373
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |     2 |     1 |     4 |    10 |     3 |     3 |     2 ||    25
       Blink             |       |       |       |     1 |    14 |    42 |    26 |    11 |    15 ||   109
       Regeneration      |       |       |       |       |       |   119 |   180 |   152 |    94 ||   545
       Spectral Weapon   |       |       |       |       |       |       |     9 |    53 |    32 ||    94
       Shroud of Golubri |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     7 |    32 ||    39
Invok: Upheaval          |       |       |       |     3 |    18 |     6 |    18 |    12 |    10 ||    67
       Elemental Force   |       |       |       |       |    10 |     8 |     4 |     2 |       ||    24
       Disaster Area     |       |       |       |       |     2 |     4 |     4 |     3 |     6 ||    19
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     7 |       |       |     2 ||    11
       Sack of spiders   |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |       |     2 |     8 |    15 |    14 |    12 |     6 |     5 |     8 ||    70
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     2 |     1 |     7 |     5 |     3 |    24 ||    43
 Stab: Sleeping          |     5 |     2 |     1 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     8
       Distracted        |       |       |     2 |     6 |    23 |    15 |     8 |     8 |     7 ||    69
       Petrified         |       |       |       |       |     8 |       |       |       |       ||     8
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |       ||     3
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     2 |    10 |    24 |    42 |    59 |    32 |    36 |    15 |       ||   220
       Fruit             |       |       |       |     4 |     4 |     1 |       |       |       ||     9
       Pizza             |       |       |       |     2 |     8 |       |     1 |       |     1 ||    12
       Bread ration      |       |       |       |       |     2 |    12 |       |       |     1 ||    15
       Beef jerky        |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     7 |     1 ||    10
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
Armor: Robe              |     5 |    25 |    61 |   119 |   145 |   302 |   199 |   190 |    74 ||  1120
       Skin              |       |       |       |       |     7 |       |       |       |       ||     7
Dodge: Dodged            |    28 |    73 |   201 |   262 |   751 |  1385 |  1055 |  1156 |   498 ||  5409
       Deflected         |       |       |     1 |    10 |    27 |   108 |    73 |    32 |    16 ||   267
Block: Other             |       |       |     9 |       |    44 |   355 |   381 |   355 |   120 ||  1264
       Buckler           |       |       |    11 |   280 |   504 |   140 |       |       |       ||   935

Table legend:
 A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the
     entire game.
 B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game.
 C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of
     turns spent in this place.
 D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level
     travel turns spent in this place.
 E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of
     non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place.
 F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the
     number of levels of this place that you've seen.

                   A       B       C       D       E               F
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------
         Total | 100.0 | 100.0 |   1.0 |   6.4 |   4.8 |         509.6
       Dungeon |  24.8 |  24.8 |   0.8 |   6.6 |   6.8 |         438.8
        Temple |   0.1 |   0.1 |   6.2 |  13.3 |   0.0 |          15.0
          Lair |  12.9 |  12.9 |   1.0 |   6.9 |   4.0 |         571.7
         Swamp |  10.2 |  10.1 |   1.3 |   8.4 |   3.5 |         671.2
     Snake Pit |  12.1 |  12.2 |   0.7 |   5.2 |   4.7 |         805.5
    Slime Pits |   2.8 |   2.7 |   1.5 |   6.7 |   0.1 |         145.4
  Orcish Mines |   4.5 |   4.5 |   0.7 |   4.6 |   3.3 |         600.5
        Vaults |  11.4 |  11.4 |   0.9 |   4.4 |   6.2 |         757.2
        Depths |  12.8 |  12.8 |   1.0 |   5.3 |   5.8 |         680.6
           Zot |   8.2 |   8.1 |   2.1 |   9.5 |   0.6 |         429.0
       Volcano |   0.2 |   0.2 |   0.0 |  16.1 |   0.0 |          62.0
               +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Vault maps used:
D:1:      ncdulo_lavacross, st_stairs_3, item_on_display_a
D:2:      lemuel_coloured_pillars_altar, nicolae_overflow_hidden_temple,
          first_bread, kennysheep_jessica_study, uniq_jessica, uniq_terence,
          uniq_natasha
D:3:      st_stairs_10, bh_walls_and_bars
D:4:      nicolae_qazlal_style_of_elements, uniq_pikel, uniq_robin,
          uniq_menkaure
D:5:      overflow_temple_1_default, grunt_temple_overflow_open,
          kennysheep_generic_room_6
D:6:      fedhas_bush_and_centaur_altar, elyvilon_altar_4, corexii_corridor_pit
D:7:      makhleb_grotto_becter, old_standard_altar, kennysheep_mini_moat,
          vehumet_altar_wand_db, grunt_livestock, patterned_corridor,
          uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage
D:8:      lemuel_ice_spiral_2, basic_altar
D:9:      dpeg_oklobed_lair, serial_shops, nicolae_shop_statue_plus, shop, shop,
          shop, lemuel_flamethrower_hall, uniq_joseph
D:11:     minmay_orc_entry_temple_small, kennysheep_cross_room
D:12:     minmay_shop_grid_forest
D:13:     kennysheep_tiny_hell, basic_altar, serial_shops, shop_statue
D:14:     erik_vaults_2, serial_shops, shop, shop_statue,
          nicolae_shop_statue_plus, nicolae_shop_waterfront, nicolae_shop_stone,
          cheibriados_altar_1
D:15:     grunt_enter_depths_giant_problem, grunt_dithmenos_smoke,
          hangedman_abyss_or_decor_jellyfish_corner, lightli_airlock,
          uniq_rupert
Temple:   corrupted_temple
Lair:1:   cheibrodos_lair_reptile_den, uniq_grum, uniq_harold
Lair:2:   minmay_swamp_entry_worms, dummy_snake_entry,
          eino_small_chamber_without_monster, grunt_megastairs_1
Lair:3:   minmay_lair_oklob_tunnel, small_statue_intersection,
          lemuel_fruit_fields
Lair:5:   nicolae_slime_entry_slimehenge, nicolae_volcano_entry_vermiform,
          lemuel_fruit_tree
Lair:6:   grunt_lair_end_beastmaster, st_stairs_13
Swamp:1:  evilmike_swamp_ruin_house_2, swamp_pool2
Swamp:2:  serial_swamp_ruin, evilmike_swamp_ruin_wall,
          evilmike_swamp_ruin_rubble_2, swamp_pool1, infiniplex_staircase_pool
Swamp:3:  basic_altar, swamp_pool4, uniq_louise
Swamp:4:  swamp_alternative, swamp_pool1, nicolae_swamp_very_dense_foliage
Snake:1:  cheibrodos_forgotten_conduit, grunt_megastairs_4
Snake:2:  serial_bayou_lake_a, uniq_agnes
Snake:4:  grunt_snake_rune_pools, st_stairs_13
Slime:2:  nicolae_slime_phagocytosis
Slime:4:  dissolution_awaits
Orc:2:    st_orc_ogre_mass
Vaults:1: v_rooms_6, nicolae_vaults_mini_display_case, vaults_dpeg_cross,
          vaults_mumra_minichess_inversion, nicolae_vaults_circle_grid_a,
          v_misc_19, v_misc_13, dpeg_vaults_monster_box, v_misc_24,
          hangedman_vaults_trim, serial_shops, shop_fountains
Vaults:2: nicolae_vaults_specimen_jars, vaults_room_boxed, vaults_mumra_hexcomb,
          v_misc_9, v_misc_9, ontoclasm_vaults_loading_screen,
          vaults_standard_mumra_lines, uniq_mennas
Vaults:3: minmay_crypt_entry_necro_gods, grunt_vaults_bifocal,
          grunt_vaults_diagonal, ontoclasm_vaults_bender, st_lines, v_rooms_5,
          grunt_vaults_focal, nicolae_vaults_theta, v_misc_28,
          nicolae_vaults_windows_and_doors_thing,
          hangedman_vaults_stretched_pinwheel, vaults_room_grid,
          nicolae_vaults_circle_grid_a, vaults_room_corners,
          nicolae_vaults_little_squares_4
Vaults:4: vaults_mumra_lcd, vaults_dpeg_spiral, ontoclasm_vaults_ring_small,
          v_misc_17, ontoclasm_vaults_eye, vaults_room_large_hall,
          grunt_vaults_swirl, v_misc_32, nicolae_vaults_rhombus_6,
          vaults_room_pools, vaults_mumra_chevron_long, nicolae_vaults_theta,
          v_alt_pattern_1, vaults_room_semicircle
Depths:1: ashenzari_altar_1, serial_shops, nicolae_shop_trees,
          grunt_hell_entry_dis_old, rand_demon_pan_entry_5, spider_trap,
          serial_bayou_pond_b, grunt_ministairs_1, hangedman_blasphemy
Depths:2: minmay_expanding_squares, hell_entry, serial_sigils_hangedman_gut,
          serial_shops, kennysheep_mini, kennysheep_doodads,
          minmay_staircase_bubble
Depths:3: grated_community_mu, pf_coc_iceberg, pan_entry, serial_bayou_pond_d,
          infiniplex_staircase_door_maze
Depths:4: nooodl_glass_maze, enter_ziggurat_e, roderic_serpentine_path,
          minmay_room_of_horrors, hell_entry, infiniplex_staircase_zigzag_3
Depths:5: grunt_runaround, hell_entry
Zot:1:    kennysheep_spiral_hall, st_stairs_5
Zot:2:    st_stairs_11, zot_minivault_4
Zot:3:    lemuel_elevator
Zot:4:    st_stairs_5, zot_minivault_1
Zot:5:    st_stairs_13, lemuel_golem_globe
Volcano:  volcano_pools

Didn't really have any problem up to that point, but Zot:5 had that asshole layout where both lungs were blocked by permanent tele traps. After a few close calls I got tired of this and decided to rush for the orb. Teled into one of the lungs, quaffed haste, and rushed for the orb chamber. Unfortunately by the time I got there my LOS was pretty much filled with orb guardians and I couldn't get to the orb. So I spammed disaster area, which killed the monsters... and DROWNED THE ORB IN FUCKING LAVA. There were like 10 OOFs after my ass and I was forced to tele away before the lava disappeared. I did get away, eventually, but at this point I was covered with bad mutations and more or less out of consumables. Died shortly afterwards as I stupidly tried to fight several tough monsters at once.

The lessen... Uh... Learn apportation I guess. I'd actually never died in Zot but I guess there's a first time for everything. Still, I'm 100% sure I would have won without those fucking tele traps. :evil:

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Post Monday, 30th January 2017, 16:35

Re: What would you do in this situation?

I just had my first Zot:5 death, too.
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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 16:39

Re: What would you do in this situation?

I wish they hadn't removed "stasis (and "rMut).

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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 16:42

Re: What would you do in this situation?

You can repeatedly blink to get over the teleport trap. Doesn't matter that it's uncontrolled, you'll eventually clear it with high probability.

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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 16:59

Re: What would you do in this situation?

bel wrote:You can repeatedly blink to get over the teleport trap. Doesn't matter that it's uncontrolled, you'll eventually clear it with high probability.

Sure, but you might get "trapped" on the other side if you get swarmed and fleeing thru the trap might place you to even worse position.

With 2 blocking teletraps I usually just yell near them, move back, and kill the dudes in relative safety. If repeated often enough, the remaining few can be wiped out while fetching the orb.
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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 17:09

Re: What would you do in this situation?

ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:
bel wrote:You can repeatedly blink to get over the teleport trap. Doesn't matter that it's uncontrolled, you'll eventually clear it with high probability.

Sure, but you might get "trapped" on the other side if you get swarmed and fleeing thru the trap might place you to even worse position.

With 2 blocking teletraps I usually just yell near them, move back, and kill the dudes in relative safety. If repeated often enough, the remaining few can be wiped out while fetching the orb.

To be clear, I meant what you suggested - namely shouting and attracting some monsters, before blinking over it. It doesn't work totally because (IIRC) many monsters avoid traps if they know about it, so they'll often refuse to cross the trap.

From what I understand, the solution involving blinking didn't occur to the OP; they thought that triggering the trap was necessary. I would want to avoid randomly teleporting on Zot:5 if I can help it, whatever the circumstances (except for a speedrun perhaps).

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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 17:20

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Some more comments on the character: since you weren't using high-level spells (the highest seems to be lvl 4), perhaps you could have upgraded to something heavier than a robe. It doesn't matter if Mf have bad armour aptitude, one can wear something like swamp dragon armour or perhaps even fire dragon armour and train a bit of armour. Game has plenty of XP by that point. With Qaz you want your defences to be as high as possible.
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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 17:22

Re: What would you do in this situation?

bel wrote:From what I understand, the solution involving blinking didn't occur to the OP; they thought that triggering the trap was necessary. I would want to avoid randomly teleporting on Zot:5 if I can help it, whatever the circumstances (except for a speedrun perhaps).

I agree that trying to blink over the trap is a lot safer than stepping on the trap, although the blink might still land on it.

But like you said as well, yelling and luring is the safest option, and Zot:5 is dangerous enough to avoid taking any unnecessary risks. And especially being so close to winning I'll play extra slow and safe. It's been a while since I last splatted there, and I'd rather not repeat the experience.
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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 17:29

Re: What would you do in this situation?

You cannot land on a trap if you cast blink while adjacent to the trap.
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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 17:30

Re: What would you do in this situation?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:You cannot land on a trap if you cast blink while adjacent to the trap.

That so? TIL.
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Post Tuesday, 31st January 2017, 17:39

Re: What would you do in this situation?

I have just checked in wizmode to be sure. I created a killing hole with 3 tiles and blink always landed me at the furthest tile (tried about 10 times).
Though when there was just a single available tile and it was adjacent, I did land at it sometimes (but more often I got "You feel jittery for a moment).
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Post Wednesday, 1st February 2017, 12:30

Re: What would you do in this situation?

bel wrote:
ThreeInvisibleDucks wrote:
bel wrote:You can repeatedly blink to get over the teleport trap. Doesn't matter that it's uncontrolled, you'll eventually clear it with high probability.

Sure, but you might get "trapped" on the other side if you get swarmed and fleeing thru the trap might place you to even worse position.

With 2 blocking teletraps I usually just yell near them, move back, and kill the dudes in relative safety. If repeated often enough, the remaining few can be wiped out while fetching the orb.

To be clear, I meant what you suggested - namely shouting and attracting some monsters, before blinking over it. It doesn't work totally because (IIRC) many monsters avoid traps if they know about it, so they'll often refuse to cross the trap.

From what I understand, the solution involving blinking didn't occur to the OP; they thought that triggering the trap was necessary. I would want to avoid randomly teleporting on Zot:5 if I can help it, whatever the circumstances (except for a speedrun perhaps).

Meh. Most of the monsters were indeed reluctant to step on traps, and even if some of them got teled away Qazlal noise usually meant they would come back very fast. I think teleninjaing was the right call, it's just that I didn't learn apportation because I was a fucking idiot. With apportation I would almost certainly have won this game.
bel wrote:Some more comments on the character: since you weren't using high-level spells (the highest seems to be lvl 4), perhaps you could have upgraded to something heavier than a robe. It doesn't matter if Mf have bad armour aptitude, one can wear something like swamp dragon armour or perhaps even fire dragon armour and train a bit of armour. Game has plenty of XP by that point. With Qaz you want your defences to be as high as possible.

I did consider switching to troll leather armor but ultimately decided against it as I didn't like having exactly 1 pip of MR. And anything heavier was out of question, as they would block Ozo's armor.
VeryAngryFelid wrote:You cannot land on a trap if you cast blink while adjacent to the trap.

Actually I think random blink NEVER lands you on a trap. Never did any real testing but I don't remember it ever happening.

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Post Wednesday, 1st February 2017, 14:04

Re: What would you do in this situation?

Scalding Steam wrote:Actually I think random blink NEVER lands you on a trap. Never did any real testing but I don't remember it ever happening.


You were just lucky.

  Code:
Created a permanent teleport trap, marked it undiscovered.
You found a permanent teleport trap!
Casting: Blink
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You blink. You enter a permanent teleport trap!
Your surroundings suddenly seem different.


There was another non-adjacent tile without trap but I landed right into the trap during the very first attempt.
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Post Thursday, 2nd February 2017, 18:25

Re: What would you do in this situation?

I remember once blinking directly into a adjacent Zot trap(and loosing wand charges, ofc)
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Post Thursday, 2nd February 2017, 19:42

Re: What would you do in this situation?

VeryAngryFelid wrote:I have just checked in wizmode to be sure. I created a killing hole with 3 tiles and blink always landed me at the furthest tile (tried about 10 times).
Though when there was just a single available tile and it was adjacent, I did land at it sometimes (but more often I got "You feel jittery for a moment).

you can be blinked onto an adjacent tile, the odds of that happening are just miniscule in the majority of situations. the way blink works, code wise is:

it picks a random location within max LOS range (this might not be in your actual LOS/an actual valid location), and keeps doing this until it finds a valid location (up to 300 tries.) for the first 150 tries it also ignores any location adjacent to you/your actual location, and it doesn't do anything if all 300 tries fail (the "you feel jittery." message) so to get blinked to an adjacent tile you need to fail 150 attempts to blink to a non-adjacent tile, then succeed at finding an adjacent tile within another 150 attempts

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Post Tuesday, 7th February 2017, 02:02

Re: What would you do in this situation?

CanOfWorms wrote:the way blink works, code wise is:


Good grief.

Why?

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Post Tuesday, 7th February 2017, 20:11

Re: What would you do in this situation?

A lot of algorithms in Crawl work on the basis of "pick a random option, if it doesn't meet some conditions try again, after trying a few dozen/hundred times relax the conditions and try again". Blink, polymorph, acquirement, randart properties...
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Post Tuesday, 7th February 2017, 22:15

Re: What would you do in this situation?

... a closed form version of blink (without any "iterate this many times" stuff) is not hard to write; the tricky thing is that now there's a particular probability distribution for successful -vs- failed blinks depending on the number of valid targets, and it's not super trivial to keep that the same. But I don't know if that distribution is the way it is because it's important that it be so, or just because that's how it was.

And the way it is right now *works* so it's probably only worth changing if it's making something demonstrably better...
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Post Thursday, 9th February 2017, 20:55

Re: What would you do in this situation?

While fear might be the better overall choice, I think I'd rather go up the stairs and use blink than blink and teleport on lair:1. Going up to a mostly cleared level and having space between you and 5 melee monsters should be enough to ensure you can get away/to a choke point and fight. Sure, you'll take a lot of damage going up the stairs, but it should be survivable. And with those five gone, reentering the lair should be relatively save - you might still stairdance some of the snakes when you return. Worst case if you take a lot of damage going up the stairs, after the blink you could additionally teleport, which would land you somewhere on a clear level, let you heal and hunt down the five later (or ignore them if they wander off somewhere).

So yeah fear is probably safer, but I'd probably stairdance by habit. Of course, I don't usually play characters in robes, so going up the stairs is a good bit safer in a ring or scale mail...

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