Are spell all ignore AC ?

[Danakh]

I used to believed physical spell like Iron Shot was not ignoring AC but after taking 84 damage from a single Iron Shot from Boris, I am pretty sure to be wrong.

Are all the spells igoring AC ?

Or is Deformed Body much worse than the wiki say ?

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450374 Danakh the Executioner (level 23, -13/171 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Berserker on Nov 7, 2016.
             Was a High Priest of Trog.
             Killed from afar by Boris (84 damage)
             ... with an iron shot
             ... on level 5 of the Vaults.
             The game lasted 03:05:02 (44258 turns).

Danakh the Executioner (Gargoyle Berserker)        Turns: 44258, Time: 03:05:02

Health: -13/171    AC: 61    Str: 28    XL:     23   Next: 96%
Magic:  23/23      EV:  8    Int: 13    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   618        SH: 31    Dex: 12    Spells: 0 memorised, 22 levels left

rFire  + + .      SeeInvis +    n - +7 broad axe (flame)
rCold  + + +      Gourm    .    P - +8 gold dragon scales
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    w - +0 large shield {AC+3}
rPois  ∞          Spirit   .    J - +2 helmet
rElec  +          Reflect  +    F - +1 cloak
rCorr  +          Harm     .    L - +1 pair of gloves of the Bulwark {rF+ rC+ SInv}
MR     +....                    j - +0 pair of boots
Stlth  ..........               i - brooch of Shielding {Reflect SH+8}
                                z - ring of the Lost Songs {rCorr rC+ Stlth+}
                                l - +3 ring of protection

@: agile, flying, very slightly contaminated, hasted, constricted, very quick
A: big wings, claws 1, slimy green scales 1, see invisible, clever 2, clumsy 1,
[b]deformed body[/b], mutation resistance 1, negative energy resistance 1, robust 1,
screaming 1, electricity resistance, weak 1, unbreathing, petrification
resistance, rot immunity, MP-powered wands, AC +17

[VeryAngryFelid]

Iron Shot does not ignore AC but you still roll a random number in linear range 0-61 and it can be 0 if you are really unlucky. So technically Iron shot can ignore AC with chance 1/62 when you have AC 61.

No spells ignore AC except special spells like Freeze, Pain, Agony, Hellfire etc. Some spells ignore half AC (Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning), Tornado can ignore more than half AC depending on AC and spell power.

You lost 6 AC due to Deformed Body because it is 50% of 12 GDS gives.

[nago]

No and no.
Some abilities and spells ignore AC, like hellfire, torment, freeze, while some electric attacks such as shock, lightning bolt, electric eel blasts only check half of AC, but AC fully works against iron shot. And deformed body is kinda bad with heavy armor because half bonus from base armour means you lose a not negligible amount of AC - for GDA is 6 - but nothing more.
However, boris' iron shot is 3d37, which maxes out at 111. AC 61 is on average 30 damage reduction. Therefore, that could be a maxed iron shot against an average AC roll, or an high iron shot roll against a low AC roll. Nothing wrong, just a damage spike - the typical source of death for char post-Lair

[Danakh]

But with a GDA and being a gargoyle, even taking Deformed Body into account, I should have at least 34% GDR isn't it ? (12(gda) + 5(gargoyle)) *0.5 = 8, so GRD equivalent to a chain mail
as GDR is the least (If I understand correctly) between max damage * GRD and half the AC, I should have a garantee to roll at least 30 on my AC

So even a perfect roll (111) should not be able to deal 84, but at most 81 (yes, it would have killed me anyway)

But where is my mistake ?

[VeryAngryFelid]

GDR is applied to melee attacks only.

[Danakh]

Haaaaa OK

Thanks for the correction

[Sprucery]

There is no GDR, only GMDR (Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction). A lot of confusion would be avoided if everyone would use this term, GMDR.

[Siegurt]

There is no GDR, only GMDR (Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction). A lot of confusion would be avoided if everyone would use this term, GMDR.

Really it should be GMDRoMMDcpHYAC

[Arrhythmia]

There is no GDR, only GMDR (Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction). A lot of confusion would be avoided if everyone would use this term, GMDR.

Really it should be GMDRoMMDcpHYAC

okay i'll bite what is it

[Siegurt]

There is no GDR, only GMDR (Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction). A lot of confusion would be avoided if everyone would use this term, GMDR.

Really it should be GMDRoMMDcpHYAC

okay i'll bite what is it

Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction of Monster Max Damage capped by Half Your Armour Class

That wasn't self explanatory?

[duvessa]

GMDRPtMMDaCIEaMaOSLTCbHYAC*

[Arrhythmia]

GMDRPtMMDaCIEaMaOSLTCbHYAC*

c'mon man i can barely do the jumble in the mornings

[VeryAngryFelid]

I think it is G melee DR of maximal monster damage "cp" half your armour class. I have no idea what cp means, it should be somе auxiliary words since the letters are not captials. Probably p means percentage.

[Arrhythmia]

this thread has, however, given me a new found appreciation for like, the importance of the rosetta stone, though

[Sprucery]

Come on, if we go there one step at a time, everyone will remember what it means. So first, GMDR. We can add a couple of letters every few months so the acronym is finished by the time the whole reduction thing gets removed :)

[duvessa]

I have no idea what cp means

uh-huh

c'mon man i can barely do the jumble in the mornings

Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction Proportional to Monster Max Damage as Calculated Ignoring Enchantment and Might and Other Stuff Like That, Capped by Half Your AC

[Siegurt]

okay i'll bite what is it

Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction of Monster Max Damage capped by Half Your Armour Class

That wasn't self explanatory?

Fwiw the p was a typo, it should've been a b

[VeryAngryFelid]

Fwiw the p was a typo, it should've been a b

We should create a new mechanic which is abbreviated as GMDRoMMDcpHYAC so that players will confuse it with GMDRoMMDcbHYAC and will die.
Something like Guaranteed Magic Dart Replication of Monster Menagerie Draconians calculated proportional to Health Yellowing and Curses

[nago]

I have no idea what cp means

uh-huh

c'mon man i can barely do the jumble in the mornings

Guaranteed Melee Damage Reduction Proportional to Monster Max Damage as Calculated Ignoring Enchantment and Might and Other Stuff Like That, Capped by Half Your AC

What does it ignore might too? Why? Isn't that melee?
Or do you mean it does apply but the might bonus is not taken in account?

[duvessa]

What does it ignore might too? Why? Isn't that melee?
Or do you mean it does apply but the might bonus is not taken in account?

GDR doesn't actually use the monster's maximum potential melee damage. It just uses the monster's base melee damage + the monster's weapon's base damage (if it has a weapon). GDR thinks that a berserk ogre wielding a +500 giant club of crushing and wearing a +500 ring of slaying has the same maximum damage as a weakened ogre wielding a -500 unbranded giant club and wearing a -500 ring of slaying.

[Sar]

This means GDR wouldn't be very useful against the axe of Woe! Wow!

[dowan]

Wow, I knew GDR was silly, but I guess I didn't realize the extent of its silliness.