Near-optimal skill build orders for several comb.

[papilio]

Hello, I'd like to share near-optimal (IMO) skill build orders for several famous combinations. Any questions are okay.

The calculations are based on the DCSS calculator and crawl fsim.


First line: D:1~D:11
Second line: Lair, Orc, D:12~15
Third line: 2 runes + Elf
Fourth line: Vaults, Depth, Crypt+ Zot
Fifth line: Extended


MiBe^Trog->TSO (One-handed axe/heavy armour/large shield)
Axe 15 - Fig 6, Thr 6, Arm 6, Shi 6
Axe 18 (broad axe) - Fig 17, Arm 13, Shi 13
Thr 10, Dod 7 - Axe 21 - Fig 20, Thr 12, Arm 15, Shi 15, Dod 10
TSO - Inv 14 - Spl 7, Chm 8, AIr 9, Tloc 9 - Axe 24 - Fig 23, Thr 16 (javelin), Arm 18, Shi 18, Dod 13 - Spl 9, Chm 9, Sum 8, Air 10, Tloc 11 (RMsl, Lesser, Butterfly)
Axe 27 - Fig 27 - Inv 17 - Arm 21, Shi 21, Dod 17 - Arm 25, Shi 25, Dod 22 - Inv 20 - Spl 12, Chm 13, Air 15, Sum 9 (DMsl, Abj)


MfGl^Hep (Two-handed polearm/light armour)
Pol 14 - Thr 4, Dod 10 - Inv 5 - Pol 18 - Fig 5, Thr 6, Dod 11
Inv 9 - Stl 6 - Inv 12 - Pol 22 - Fig 10, Thr 9, Dod 15
Pol 26 - Inv 14 - Arm 6 - Fig 14, Thr 12, Dod 18
Spl 5, Chm 7, Tloc 6, Air 4 - Pol 27, Fig 18, Thr 16, Dod 23, Arm 9 - Spl 10, Chm 14, Sum 9, Air 10 - Stl 10 - Fig 22, Arm 10, Dod 17
Fig 27 - Arm 12, Thr 18 - Evo 21 - Thr 27 - Evo 27


FoFi^Oka (Axe)
Axe 8 - Fig 4, Arm 4, Shi 6 - Inv 4 - Axe 12 - Fig 8, Arm 6, Shi 9 - Inv 8
Axe 16 - Thr 9 - Fig 11, Arm 11, Shi 13 - Inv 10 - Dod 4
Axe 21 (+heroism->exec.axe) - Fig 13, Thr 12, Arm 13, Dod 6, Shi 15 (large shields)
Axe 22 - Fig 22, Thr 16, Arm 19, Dod 11, Shi 22 - Spl 6, Chm 9, Sum 5, Tloc 5, Air 7 - Arm 22, Dod 14
Dod 22, Thr 22 - Evo 12 - Stl 10 - Evo 21 - Stl 18 - Evo 27


DECj^Veh (Fire Storm->Glaciate as sub)
Spl 5 - Conj 7 - Spl 9, Conj 10 - FIg 3, Dod 7, Stl 8 - Fire 10 - Shi 4 (buckler)
Chm 5, Air 2, Tloc 2 - Spl 15, Conj 15, Fire 15 - Fig 5, Dod 9, Stl 10
Spl 18, Conj 18, Fire 18 - Nec 5, Chm 12, Air 8 (DMsl) - FIg 7, Dod 11, Stl 13
Spl 22, Conj 22, Fire 22 (Fire storm <3%) - Sum 6 (Abj) - Fig 9, Dod 14, Stl 16 - Spl 27, Necr 16, Trm 14, Tloc 15 - Fig 10, Dod 17, Stl 19 (Lichform+CBlink/Disj)
Ice 22 (Glaciate) - Conj 24, Fire 24, Ice 24 - Earth 15 (Iron Shot) - Evo 21 (spiders) - Shi 15 (shields) - Evo 27


GhMo^Ru (Unarmed, sacrificing evo/love/dodg/stealth)
Unarm 6 - Fig 4, Arm 2, Shi 2 - Unarm 13 - Fig 9, Arm 5, Shi 5
Unarm 18 - Thr 9 - Fig 13, Arm 9, Shi 9
Unarm 21 - Fig 14, Thr 12, Arm 12, Shi 12
Unarm 24 - Fig 18, Thr 14, Arm 14, Shi 14 - Unarm 27 - FIg 22, Thr 18, Arm 18, Shi 18
Fig 27, Thr 22, Arm 22, Shi 22 - Spl 7, Chm 7, Sum 4, Tloc 8, Air 6, Necr 9 - Thr 25, Arm 25, Shi 25


TrWn^Chei (Unarmed Statue form)
Urarm 9 - Fig 4, Dod 2, Shi 3, Thr 3 - Unarm 12 - Inv 5 - Fig 6, Thr 6, Dod 2, Shi 4
Unarm 16 - Fig 8, Thr 9, Dod 5, Shi 9 - Inv 13
Spl 5, Trm 10, Earth 12 (Statue form<5%) - Tloc 4
Unarm 23 - Fig 14, Thr 16, Dod 9, Shi 12 - Spl 11, Chm 11, Air 11
Unarm 27 - Fig 17, Thr 19, Dod 13, Shi 15 - Sum 8 - Thr 27, Fig 20


HESk^Oka->TSO (Two-handed swords, light armour)
LBl 9 (+heroism->scimitar) - Arm 3, Dod 4 - Inv 4 - Spl 3, Hex 2, Chm 8, Tloc 2 - LBl 12 - Fig 4, Arm 4, Dod 7 - Inv 9
LBl 16 - Fig 6, Arm 5, Dod 9 - Stl 11 - LBl 19 (+heroism->triple sword)
Fig 14, Arm 8, Dod 12 - LBl 22 - Fig 17, Arm 9, Dod 15
Spl 8, Chm 11, Tloc 5, Air 9 - LBL 24 - TSO - Inv 16 - Fig 18, Arm 10, Dod 17 - LBl 27 - Fig 21, Arm 13, Dod 20 - Inv 24
Fig 27, Arm 19, Dod 25 - Inv 27 - Spl 9, Chm 12, Air 10, Sum 9 - Dod 27 - Arm 24


HOAK^Lug (One-handed axe)
Axe 9 - Inv 6 - Axe 12 - Inv 9 - Fig 5, Arm 4, Shi 4 - Axe 16 - Inv 11 - Fig 7, Arm 5, Shi 5
Axe 18 (broad axe) - Inv 14 - Fig 14, Arm 10, Dod 2, Shi 10 - Axe 21
Fig 17, Arm 12, Dod 4, Shi 12 - Axe 23 - Fig 19, Arm 14, Dod 6, Shi 14
Inv 17 - Axe 27 - FIg 23, Arm 18, Dod 10, Shi 18 - Inv 24 - Spl 8, Chm 11, Tloc 11, Air 10 (RMsl, Lesser)
Inv 27 - Fig 27 - Arm 25, Dod 18, Shi 25 - Spl 11, Chm 15, Sum 12, Air 13 (DMsl, Abj)


SpEn^Dith (Short blades)
Hex 8, Spl 5 - Stl 9, SBl 4, Dod 8 - Hex 10, Spl 7 - Inv 5
Stl 14, SBl 9, Dod 12, Fig 3 - Inv 8 - Hex 12, Spl 9 - Inv 10 - Stl 18, Dod 16, SBl 11 - FIg 4, Shi 7.2 (buckler)
Chm 5, Tloc 6, Air 2 - Inv 14 - Stl 22, SBl 14 (rapiers), Dod 20 - Fig 9
Stl 27, Dod 24 - Evo 15, Thr 12 - Spl 12, Chm 10, Sum 5, Air 5 (DMsl, Abj) - Dod 27 - Evo 21, Thr 17 - Tloc 20, Spl 15 (CBlink/Disj)
SBl 20, Fig 14 - Evo 27 - Thr 27 - Arm 8 - SBL 24, FIg 18

[Leszczynek]

Doesn't look very optimal to me, but it doesn't really matter because there's plenty of xp to gain so you can afford to make plenty of skilling mistakes.

[CypherZel]

Read the first line and instantly knew you can't skill very well

[VeryAngryFelid]

I wouldn't call them near-optimal. They are good enough for new players because alternative approach (autotraining) is much worse. I can be wrong as usual of course.
For example, I see some issues with first line of most characters:

Axe 15 - Fig 6, Thr 6, Arm 6, Shi 6

Throwing as high as Fighting? Training Axes all the way to 15 while ignoring Fighting?

Pol 14 - Thr 4, Dod 10 - Inv 5 - Pol 18 - Fig 5, Thr 6, Dod 11

Throwing again? With Hepl and Polearms? Fig 5 after Polearms 18, Dodging 10 and Inv 5?

Axe 8 - Fig 4, Arm 4, Shi 6 - Inv 4 - Axe 12 - Fig 8, Arm 6, Shi 9 - Inv 8

This is close to optimal indeed. Except it should be mentioned than training Armour to 6 requires plate armour and at least 1 aux armour items. 6*11/22=3

Spl 5 - Conj 7 - Spl 9, Conj 10 - FIg 3, Dod 7, Stl 8 - Fire 10 - Shi 4 (buckler)

I would train Fighting/Dodging earlier than Spl 9, Conj 10. Not sure why to train Stealth after Conj 10. If I survive that long, I feel OP and don't train Stealth before preparation for extended.

Unarm 6 - Fig 4, Arm 2, Shi 2 - Unarm 13 - Fig 9, Arm 5, Shi 5

Early shield is extremely bad with UC (losing 30%+ damage), especially buckler (does not give much defense).

Urarm 9 - Fig 4, Dod 2, Shi 3, Thr 3 - Unarm 12 - Inv 5 - Fig 6, Thr 6, Dod 2, Shi 4

There is some issue with having "Dod 2" twice. I like to get Slouch reliable with all Chei characters. More Dodging and Invo, less UC. Shield is not that great with Chei so it has low priority even with Tr.

LBl 9 (+heroism->scimitar) - Arm 3, Dod 4 - Inv 4 - Spl 3, Hex 2, Chm 8, Tloc 2 - LBl 12 - Fig 4, Arm 4, Dod 7 - Inv 9

Armour 3 does not give any AC in leather + 4 aux armour and using ring mail is a bad idea because of Spectral Weapon. I would train Fighting much earlier than Charms 8.

Axe 9 - Inv 6 - Axe 12 - Inv 9 - Fig 5, Arm 4, Shi 4 - Axe 16 - Inv 11 - Fig 7, Arm 5, Shi 5

Don't use shield that early, HO has great Axes aptitude and battleaxe is a more common item than a good 1h axe and a good shield.

Hex 8, Spl 5 - Stl 9, SBl 4, Dod 8 - Hex 10, Spl 7 - Inv 5

It does not make much sense to have Hex 8 when you cannot stab. You are Sp so you don't need high Hexes, you can spam EH until you are lucky and then you must be able to kill everything (including Hydra) with one attack. I train some 1-2 levels in Ice also.

[Rast]

OP, you might not have intended it that way, but your post so trolly that it should be in CYC

[Lasty]

Out of curiosity, what criterion are you using to define "optimal"?