Training long blade as kobold


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Post Friday, 2nd September 2016, 18:42

Training long blade as kobold

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1367-g87b5bc6 (tiles) character file.

Dass the Unseen (Kobold Artificer)                 Turns: 26550, Time: 01:36:41

Health: 59/70      AC: 11    Str: 10    XL:     14   Next: 48%
Magic:  24/24      EV: 28    Int:  9    God:    Ashenzari [****..]
Gold:   825        SH:  0    Dex: 22    Spells: 1 memorised, 11 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +    d - +1 scimitar (flame)
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    v - +3 leather armour {rC+}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (shield restricted)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    (no helmet)
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    n - +0 cloak
rCorr  +          Reflect  .    g - +0 pair of gloves
MR     .....      Harm     .    y - +2 pair of boots {run} (curse)
Stlth  ++++++++.. Clarity  +    (no amulet)
                                O - ring "Ceridink" {rCorr +Inv MR- SInv} (curse)
                                k - ring of poison resistance (curse)

@: repel missiles, quick
A: carnivore 3
a: Curse Item, Scrying, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Ashenzari.
Ashenzari is greatly pleased with you.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 20 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano.

You have collected 825 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 b - a +3 short sword of protection
 c - a +1 dagger of draining
 d - a +1 scimitar of flaming (weapon)
Armour
 g - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 l - the cursed +4 hat of Conscience {rC+}
   (You acquired it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 n - a +0 cloak (worn)
 v - a +3 leather armour of cold resistance (worn)
 y - a cursed +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 L - a +2 robe of fire resistance
Rods
 a - a +7 rod of shadows (9/10)
   (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
 T - a rod of clouds
   (You found it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
Jewellery
 k - a cursed ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 G - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 O - the cursed ring "Ceridink" (right hand) {rCorr +Inv MR- SInv}
   (You acquired it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of resist corrosion]
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 P - an uncursed ring of stealth
 W - an uncursed amulet of magic regeneration
Wands
 j - a wand of enslavement (0/24)
 m - a wand of flame
 p - a wand of digging
 q - a wand of digging
 E - a wand of iceblast (0/15)
 Q - a wand of lightning
 S - a wand of paralysis (17/24)
 U - a wand of teleportation
 Z - a wand of slowing (25/48)
Scrolls
 e - 2 scrolls of amnesia
 f - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 h - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon
 s - 3 scrolls of recharging
 u - a scroll of silence
 w - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 z - a scroll of brand weapon
 A - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 M - a scroll of fog
 R - 3 scrolls labeled ALIUGA QAONYO
 Y - a scroll labeled ETARYA ROCSOSE
Potions
 i - 2 potions of resistance
 t - 8 potions of brilliance
 B - 2 potions of flight
 F - a potion of cure mutation
 H - a potion of magic
 I - 2 potions of berserk rage
 J - a potion of ambrosia
 K - a potion of curing
 N - 3 potions of haste
Books
 X - a book of Frost   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Freeze                       Ice                           1
    b - Throw Frost                  Conjuration/Ice               2
    c - Ozocubu's Armour             Charms/Ice                    3
    d - Throw Icicle                 Conjuration/Ice               4
    e - Summon Ice Beast             Ice/Summoning                 4
Miscellaneous
 x - a disc of storms
Comestibles
 o - a meat ration
 r - 8 chunks of flesh
 C - 10 royal jellies
 D - a slice of pizza


   Skills:
 - Level 1,1 Fighting
 - Level 11,7(13,1) Short Blades
 + Level 6,5(8,2) Long Blades
 - Level 0,1 Armour
 + Level 14,0 Dodging
 + Level 16,2 Stealth
 + Level 14,6(16,5) Evocations


You have 11 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #.....       82%         2    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (6/6) D:9
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:3       Spider (0/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/5) Lair:6
    Orc (1/2) D:9         

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Uskayaw
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:11 !

Annotations:
D:6 Sigmund
D:7 Pikel
D:11 1 exclusion
D:12 exclusion: 2 doors
Lair:3 exclusion: downstairs
Lair:6 1 runed door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.


Message History

The crocodile is heavily wounded.
The crocodile completely misses you.
You hit the crocodile. You burn the crocodile.
The crocodile is almost dead.
The crocodile bites you!
You closely miss the crocodile.
The crocodile is almost dead.
The crocodile completely misses you.
You hit the crocodile. You burn the crocodile.
You kill the crocodile!
No target in view!
Okay, then.
Okay, then.
Saving game... please wait.
Level annotation: 1 runed door
Welcome back, Dass the Kobold Artificer.
Ashenzari says: Partake of my vision. Partake of my curse.
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Char dumped to 'C:/Users/henrique/AppData/Roaming/crawl/morgue/Dass.txt'.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A minotaur (Lab)
  2 hydras
  Erica (D:9)
  The ghost of Dass the Carver, a novice HESk of Hepliaklqana (D:11)
  2 sea snakes
  An unseen horror (Lab)
  2 hill giants
  2 ugly things
  A griffon (Lair:3)
  A cyclops (D:12)
  A black mamba (Lair:1)
  Joseph (D:10)
  9 elephants
  2 manticores
  2 centaur skeletons (D:10)
  5 spiny frogs
  2 rime drakes (Lair:2)
  3 komodo dragons
  2 trolls
  4 jumping spiders (Lair:3)
  Grinder (D:5)
  2 two-headed ogres
  15 blink frogs
  A meliai zombie (D:11)
  2 redbacks (Lair:3)
  A hill giant zombie (D:9)
  2 wyverns
  10 fire bats (Volcano)
  3 basilisks
  16 yaks
  5 hungry ghosts
  5 hippogriffs
  A mottled dragon (D:12)
  A swamp worm (Lair:3)
  10 water moccasins
  Edmund (D:5)
  9 porcupines
  2 orc warriors
  An eye of draining (D:10)
  2 sky beasts
  4 wasps
  A slave (D:8)
  5 ice beasts
  3 black bears
  7 phantoms
  8 ogres
  5 centaurs
  10 crocodiles
  4 big kobolds
  8 giant frogs
  A wyvern zombie (D:9)
  A troll zombie (D:9)
  A scorpion (Lair:5)
  4 killer bees
  4 wights (D:12)
  3 howler monkeys
  6 crimson imps
  2 giant frog zombies
  2 jellies
  Crazy Yiuf (D:3)
  5 orc priests
  6 hounds
  A giant frog skeleton (D:12)
  8 iguanas
  Terence (D:3)
  8 orc wizards
  10 worker ants
  4 ogre zombies (D:9)
  A hound zombie (D:9)
  3 hound skeletons
  4 gnolls (D:6)
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:4)
  22 adders
  75 river rats
  3 shadow imps
  2 oozes
  An adder skeleton (D:8)
  6 worms
  4 dart slugs
  5 giant geckos
  14 orcs
  2 ball pythons
  10 giant cockroaches
  9 hobgoblins
  6 jackals
  8 quokkas
  4 bats
  4 giant newts
  5 goblins
  2 goblin skeletons (D:9)
  2 goblin zombies (D:9)
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:9)
  A hobgoblin zombie (D:9)
  28 kobolds
  13 orc zombies (D:9)
  A quokka skeleton (D:9)
  A quokka zombie (D:5)
  6 rats
502 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Harold (Lair:4)
  Nergalle (Lair:4)
  4 griffons
  A manticore (Lair:6)
  4 elephants (Lair:4)
  A black mamba (Lair:6)
  A spiny frog (Lair:2)
  3 komodo dragons
  2 rime drakes
  2 polar bears
  9 blink frogs
  A wyvern (Lair:6)
  4 yaks
  A hippogriff (Lair:2)
  4 swamp worms (Lair:3)
  4 water moccasins
  A wolf (Lair:1)
  2 crocodiles
  A giant frog (Lair:4)
  2 electric eels
  A hound (D:8)
  An orc wizard (D:11)
  An orc (D:11)
  A kobold (D:3)
53 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A wyvern (Lair:6)
  A spiny frog (Lair:6)
  A giant gecko (D:1)
  5 fungi
  27 plants
35 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 590 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Dass the Kobold Artificer began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 3/3
   527 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/16 MP: 4/4
   978 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 20/20 MP: 6/6
  1207 | D:1      | Reached skill level 2 in Stealth
  2184 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/25 MP: 7/7
  2357 | D:2      | Reached skill level 3 in Stealth
  2683 | D:2      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 26/29 MP: 8/8
  3075 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
  3527 | D:3      | Found a runed door.
  3564 | D:3      | Reached skill level 4 in Stealth
  3588 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 22/34 MP: 9/9
  3830 | D:3      | Found a faded altar of an unknown god.
  3858 | D:3      | Noticed Terence
  3872 | D:3      | Killed Terence
  4154 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  4248 | D:3      | Noticed an ogre
  4395 | D:3      | Killed an ogre
  4395 | D:3      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 14/38 MP: 11/11
  4687 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
  5185 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Stealth
  5249 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5289 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  5289 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 43/43 MP: 12/12
  5606 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  5643 | D:5      | Noticed Edmund
  5658 | D:5      | Killed Edmund
  6073 | D:5      | Noticed Grinder
  6076 | D:5      | Killed Grinder
  6076 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Stealth
  6604 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 47/47 MP: 14/14
  6688 | D:6      | Noticed Sigmund
  6733 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Stealth
  7902 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Stealth
  8404 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 52/52 MP: 16/16
  8602 | D:7      | Noticed Pikel
  8839 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
  9264 | D:3      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  9268 | D:3      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  9448 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  9488 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  9669 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled
  9980 | D:8      | Found a hide-covered altar of Uskayaw.
 10055 | D:8      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 10364 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10952 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 11170 | D:9      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
 11343 | D:9      | Noticed Erica
 11550 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 11589 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
 11653 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 11674 | D:10     | Noticed Joseph
 11681 | D:10     | Killed Joseph
 11715 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 46/56 MP: 18/18
 11800 | D:10     | Reached skill level 11 in Stealth
 11969 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 12095 | D:10     | Reached * piety under Ashenzari
 12752 | D:11     | Found Vextysk's Distillery.
 12840 | D:11     | Noticed a white ugly thing
 12843 | D:11     | Killed a white ugly thing
 12843 | D:11     | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades
 12930 | D:11     | Noticed a cyclops
 13014 | D:11     | Noticed Dass's ghost (novice HESk)
 13035 | D:12     | Noticed a hill giant
 13055 | D:12     | Killed a hill giant
 13424 | D:12     | Noticed a cyclops
 13431 | D:12     | Killed a cyclops
 13472 | D:12     | Noticed a purple ugly thing
 13475 | D:12     | Killed a purple ugly thing
 13704 | D:12     | Reached skill level 12 in Stealth
 13880 | D:11     | Killed Dass's ghost
 14544 | D:11     | Identified 3 scrolls of acquirement
 14574 | D:11     | Identified the cursed ring "Ceridink" {rCorr +Inv MR- SInv} (You acquired it on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 14631 | D:11     | Reached ** piety under Ashenzari
 14645 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 14658 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 14658 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 60/60 MP: 20/20
 14977 | D:9      | Killed Erica
 15405 | D:9      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 15406 | D:9      | Noticed an Executioner
 15501 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 15599 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 16094 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth
 16840 | Lair:1   | Reached *** piety under Ashenzari
 17795 | Lair:2   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 17804 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 17948 | Lab      | Noticed an unseen horror
 17962 | Lab      | Killed an unseen horror
 18052 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 18099 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 18108 | Lab      | Identified a +7 rod of shadows (5/10) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
 18138 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
 18285 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 63/64 MP: 22/22
 18971 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth
 20303 | Lair:3   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 20314 | Lair:3   | Killed a two-headed hydra
 20558 | Lair:3   | Identified a cursed +2 pair of boots of running (You acquired it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 20558 | Lair:3   | Identified the cursed +4 hat of Conscience {rC+} (You acquired it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 20805 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 21502 | Lair:4   | Noticed Harold
 21670 | Lair:4   | Reached **** piety under Ashenzari
 21842 | Lair:4   | Noticed Nergalle
 21865 | Lair:4   | Killed Nergalle
 21865 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades
 22007 | Lair:4   | Killed Harold
 22269 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth
 23225 | Lair:5   | Found a dark tunnel.
 23232 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 23639 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 56/70 MP: 24/24
 24683 | Lair:6   | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts
 25826 | Lair:6   | Found a runed door.
 25827 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 25828 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 25828 | Lair:6   | Noticed an acid blob
 25887 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------+-----
Evocations     |     4        5     6  7  8 10 11 12 14    | 14,6
Short Blades   |     2        3     4  6  8 10       11    | 11,7
Stealth        |        2  3  4     6  7  9 10 12 13 15 16 | 16,2
Dodging        |           3     4  5  6  7  9 11 12 13 14 | 14,0
Long Blades    |                                2  4  5  6 |  6,5
Fighting       |                                           |  1,1
Armour         |                                           |  0,1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    96 |   198 |   346 |   948 |   153 ||  1741
       Dagger            |       |       |    17 |    19 |       ||    36
       Long sword        |       |       |    21 |    45 |       ||    66
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |   313 |   787 ||  1100
 Cast: Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Invok: Curse Item        |       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
       Scrying           |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |    10 |    15 |    17 |    43 |    11 ||    96
       Rod               |       |       |       |     3 |    38 ||    41
       Disc of storms    |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |       |       |    16 |    11 |    15 ||    42
       Potion            |       |       |       |     3 |     4 ||     7
 Stab: Sleeping          |     4 |     9 |    16 |    41 |    37 ||   107
       Distracted        |       |     1 |       |     9 |    13 ||    23
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |     7 |     4 ||    11
       Betrayed ally     |       |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |    12 |     7 |    13 |    52 |    44 ||   128
Armor: Leather armour    |    21 |    37 |    15 |       |    10 ||    83
       Robe              |       |       |    39 |   128 |    80 ||   247
Dodge: Dodged            |    71 |   146 |   238 |   880 |   856 ||  2191
       Deflected         |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6



Hello, i've got a kobold artificer going and i'm using mainly melee weapons, specifically a long blade (scimitar of flame +#) and a short sword for stabbing. I intend to mainly use long blades at this point, but since kobolds have a -2 apt on long blades and a +3 apt on short blades, i am really not sure if i should be training short blades or long blades. I though that by training solely long blades that the short blades skill would skyrocket, but it seems to just be increasing at the same pace as long blades (or perhaps slightly slower), whereas if i go short blades i imagine i would be wasting most of the xp on short blades. At the moment i can 1 hit stab most of everything.

So, should i be obviously training short blades to 27 along with long blades, or should I just switch it off at 12 or so and go full long blades?

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Post Friday, 2nd September 2016, 18:47

Re: Training long blade as kobold

If you want to build up long blades, train long blades. The leaked experience from cross-training is modified by the aptitude of the cross-trained skill, so you'll build Long Blades faster by training Long Blades than Short Blades, no matter what your aptitudes are.

Also, do not under any circumstances train Short Blades to 27. It is best to examine the weapon you're using and train only until you are swinging it as fast as possible. Higher levels of weapon training have relatively low value and can instead go to learning spells or improving your survival skills.

Also train up some Fighting for goodness's sake, 70 HP is prone to being one-shot.

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Post Friday, 2nd September 2016, 20:20

Re: Training long blade as kobold

Alright. Yeah, i never know when to start training fighting and end up forgetting about it...
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Post Friday, 2nd September 2016, 20:38

Re: Training long blade as kobold

Timbermaw wrote:Alright. Yeah, i never know when to start training fighting and end up forgetting about it...


I seem to recall several people saying train a bunch of Fighting very early. Some seem to hint, pretty much as much as you can stand without getting whopped early on.

Kobolds have really fast short blade training, so it's pretty easy to boost that up to 4-6 for just easy dagger and short swords to last you oh, 5-7 Dungeon levels (you'll want more like 10-14 Short Blades imo around D10/Lair 1 or 2, if that's still your main then). If you're careful you can get some Fighting before you even train the short blades at all, but I usually like to get 4-6 blades, serious stealth if you're going there (6-10), and possibly throwing (depends if you have much ammo, 2-5 maybe to start), and then pump up that Fighting skill to ideally 8-10 before Lair.

Long blades won't train as fast, but you can possibly get away without training a great deal for the first few levels at least. (Or just use other faster weapons then, carefully, while you start training the long blades skill.)

It depends partly on what sorts of drops you get of course. An early dagger of electrocution or short sword of draining (or just maybe a branded falchion/longsword?) will save a lot of trouble with sooner added blades skill. If you don't have hot brands or bonuses, and especially if you're not picking up tomahawks or even slings to help, then you better get some more HP/damage help from early boosts to Fighting instead... But you also don't want to sit on zero weapon skill forever.

In short, you could sort of alternate between Fighting and best quick weapon on hand in many early (less than uber) situations and probably come out okay. I end up doing that quite a bit until I see a nicer weapon drop.
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