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Arrhythmia wrote:Holypan is way less dangerous than most levels of Pan though.
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dowan wrote:Arrhythmia wrote:Holypan is way less dangerous than most levels of Pan though.
But... no it isn't...
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twelwe wrote:It's like Blink, but you end up drowning.
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jwoodward48ss wrote:Why does holy pan even exist?
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dowan wrote:TSO makes extended super easy, except holy pan. HW brand does nothing there, unlike the rest of extended. There are lots of high HP smiting angels, and if you're undead you're really in trouble thanks to all the HW weapons. The rune is also guarded by a monster far more dangerous than the vast majority of the random pan lords who guard the randomly placed demonic runes.
This is why I consider holy pan much harder than any random pan level. Note when I do extended I'm either following TSO, or undead and following someone else, and either situation only makes the holy pan situation worse. But angels are tougher than most demons for any character.
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Arrhythmia wrote:I suppose we all learned a valuable lesson about biases here today.
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Sar wrote:Ophans are kind of annoying because you have to confirm entering their clouds every damn time, but others? Cherubs and apises are actually pretty plain, angels are a good enemy, just fast melee with a dash of self-heal, daevas are okay, pearl dragons are okay. I mean, I'd agree with you back when shedu and phoenixes existed (whyyy), but they don't exist anymore.
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dowan wrote:relative difficulty
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stickyfingers wrote:Holy pan is the only instantly recognizable guaranteed demonic rune vault, so I usually clear it when doing extended, even as undead. And summon hollies is annoying.
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Shtopit wrote:stickyfingers wrote:Holy pan is the only instantly recognizable guaranteed demonic rune vault, so I usually clear it when doing extended, even as undead. And summon hollies is annoying.
Is it? I'm just asking, because, when I got it, I had already got the rune. if you don't have the rune, it's guaranteed to spawn in Holyp?
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stickyfingers wrote:And summon hollies is annoying.
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Sar wrote:angels are a good enemy, just fast melee with a dash of self-heal, daevas are okay,
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bcadren wrote:Holy Pan is one of the reasons I like doing Hell before pan. Daevas with their SH and their Smiting are Greater Mummy tier threats...that cannot be silenced and are very very swingy to melee; nearly impossible to hit with ranged weapons (especially now that penetration is gone; ignoring monster SH was one of the bonuses of that brand). But with the Staff of Dispater...BAMF! 2 Shots, works everytime all the time.
That said; I do think Holy Pan is pretty badly designed still; in the same way that old tomb was. What's actually deadly to most characters in Holy Pan? Angels (Mummy Priests) and Daevas (Greater Mummies); with the latter being worse; and there's a melee only creature that hits surprisingly hard, but is generally harmless unless you have poor AC Bennu (Guardian Mummy). The other spawns are mostly harmless.
[Or in clearer terms; the actual DEADLY thing to the floor is SPAMMED and it's only 2 monster types.]
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