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Post Thursday, 4th August 2016, 15:08

Gda

Why do people say that waiting to enchant gda is bad? Usually, you can find some decently enchanted (2-3) branded plate armor to carry you until you get gda.

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Post Thursday, 4th August 2016, 15:16

Re: Gda

#1: You're not guaranteed to get GDA, so saving scrolls that could otherwise be helping you now is silly.
#2: AC now helps you not die now. AC later won't matter if you die now.

(edit: and I'm assuming that this is a character for whom GDA is a good idea in the first place, which is not the case for many characters)
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Post Thursday, 4th August 2016, 15:42

Re: Gda

Gold dragons are plentiful in depths. Also, if you die early, then you can restart easily, but deaths in the lategame cause you to lose a lot more progress.
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Post Thursday, 4th August 2016, 15:50

Re: Gda

If you have a decent plate armour, you won't die in the late game for body armour reasons.

"If I die in the early game while waiting for GDA I can just restart" is not a very compelling argument pro GDA...
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Post Thursday, 4th August 2016, 20:20

Re: Gda

Chances are if you've gone through the trouble of killing a gold dragon you may be strong enough to just abyss scum or fight through half of a ziggurat for phat loot including EA.

If you aren't you don't have to wait much longer anyway to get that kind of power. Either way you'll probably be able to get more EA so just spend the stuff you have right away.
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Post Thursday, 4th August 2016, 21:00

Re: Gda

I save Enchant Armour scrolls a lot...and when I do there's a fair chance I'll get a artifacts of decent quality and wind up never using the scrolls at all...and a decent chance I'll end up pouring them all into body armour. Both happen a lot. I only spend them immediately if I'm sure the item will be with me for a long time (IE enchanting +0 boots of running, but not +0 Boots or Cloak of MR+ but not Cloak, etc.)
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Post Thursday, 4th August 2016, 21:44

Re: Gda

arandomperson12 wrote:Also, if you die early, then you can restart easily, but deaths in the lategame cause you to lose a lot more progress.


I encourage you to tally up your time spent on characters that died before getting a rune, and time spent on characters that died after getting a rune, and then to compare the two.

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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 00:16

Re: Gda

Thus far, I have never actually died after getting a rune.
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 02:07

Re: Gda

GDA only appears in about 25% of typical 15-rune games, and 15% of 3-rune games, as per objstat: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... WhLVWRXbG8

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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 03:14

Re: Gda

That's probably because on both non heavy armor characters and many heavy armor characters, the hide is not enchanted into gda. The hide itself will be much more common.
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 03:21

Re: Gda

arandomperson12 wrote:Thus far, I have never actually died after getting a rune.


Then it seems that you are better served in shoring up your early game than by reserving strategical resources for the late game, right?
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 03:49

Re: Gda

The game gets easier the farther in you get, so enchant scrolls are best used on auxiliary slot items. With that said if I find a decent artefact body armor and my character is not struggling, I will often sit on a few ?ea with the hope of making GDA later. This frees up your ring slots in fights vs. elemental attackers so that you can wear protection, evasion, or slaying rings without worrying about randomly taking an 80.
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 10:17

Re: Gda

arandomperson12 wrote:That's probably because on both non heavy armor characters and many heavy armor characters, the hide is not enchanted into gda. The hide itself will be much more common.


The linked spreadsheet seems to indicate gold dragon hide being in only 5% of 3 rune games, if I'm reading it correctly.
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 10:45

Re: Gda

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it the same to use your scrolls of enchant armour on GDA or on a pair of gloves? You can use up to 8 this way, and more if you find branded gloves/boots/etc to substitute yours. Keep one scroll in case you find a hide you really like and use up the others. 1 AC/SH point shouldn't be that much of an expense, and you will be better covered during much of the game.

Also, gold dragons didn't seem that plentiful to me. In some games I couldn't find any outside the Vaults, and those exploded or left no body or, when butchered, left no hide.
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 11:50

Re: Gda

Shtopit wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it the same to use your scrolls of enchant armour on GDA or on a pair of gloves?
No, because you don't get GDA in early dungeon most games, but you do get aux armor.
genericpseudonym wrote:The linked spreadsheet seems to indicate gold dragon hide being in only 5% of 3 rune games, if I'm reading it correctly.
This is because people are not butchering gold dragons, since they don't drop edible chunks and you usually already are set for body armor once you find them. If you want to, you could have gold dragon hide every game... but only once you hit Zot, or a bit earlier if you are somewhat lucky.
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 11:57

Re: Gda

Shard1697 wrote:
Shtopit wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it the same to use your scrolls of enchant armour on GDA or on a pair of gloves?
No, because you don't get GDA in early dungeon most games, but you do get aux armor.

What I meant is, the bonus you gain by using the scroll on GDA isn't different from the one you get from using it on aux arm, right? It only touches the AC/SH number, not things like GDR or penalties or something else. This is why I think it's better to use the scrolls earlier and just keep one around for hides.
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Post Friday, 5th August 2016, 13:53

Re: Gda

chequers wrote:GDA only appears in about 25% of typical 15-rune games, and 15% of 3-rune games, as per objstat: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... WhLVWRXbG8


Objstat only reports on the items that are made by the dungeon; items made by the player through butchering and enchanting are misreported. You can see this with the "30% of spawning in a game TLA".
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