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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 05:52

Great player and Greater player

Could someone please explain what these terms mean, I see them used a lot in the community but I can't find any source that clearly states what it means. It seems to be some sort of achievement system special to the forum users

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greatplayer: you are a gross nerd that wastes your life playing video games
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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 06:11

Re: Great player and Greater player

great = all species
greater = all backgrounds
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good - 10 wins
great - all species won
greater - all species AND backgrounds won (checquers is wrong, or at the very least, ambiguous)
greaterFOO - all backgrounds as race FOO or all races as background FOO won
greaterest - all available background/race combinations won, as well as one race/background combo unavailable in a stable release

the only other such achievement i know is "tiamat", for winning a draconian of every colour.
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Arrhythmia wrote:good - 10 wins
greaterest - all available background/race combinations won, as well as one race/background combo unavailable in a stable release


Are there any accounts other than comborobin with this?
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Arrhythmia wrote:good - 10 wins
greaterest - all available background/race combinations won, as well as one race/background combo unavailable in a stable release


Are there any accounts other than comborobin with this?


yeah a shitload of accounts have goodplayer. me, for instance.

greaterest player i have no fucking clue, but i looked at a lot of "the usual suspects" for greaterest player, and none of them had it. there's probably an irc query you can use to find out though, but i wouldn't know what it would be. tbf i think CR might not even have greaterestplayer, because of that second requirement.
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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 07:03

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Another widely recognised achievement would be polytheist, for winning a game with every god.

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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 07:11

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What does FOO mean?

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Arrhythmia wrote:
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Arrhythmia wrote:greaterest - all available background/race combinations won, as well as one race/background combo unavailable in a stable release


Are there any accounts other than comborobin with this?


greaterest player i have no fucking clue, but i looked at a lot of "the usual suspects" for greaterest player, and none of them had it. there's probably an irc query you can use to find out though, but i wouldn't know what it would be. tbf i think CR might not even have greaterestplayer, because of that second requirement.


You don't have to look at a lot of "the usual suspects", just this page:
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/best- ... score.html

And of course, nobody is even close. There are 640 or so combos, and there are only 2 accounts that have more than 50% of that. (And both stopped playing year ago.)
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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 07:19

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CypherZel wrote:What does FOO mean?


a free variable; replace it with a background or a race of your choice. e.g., greaterhuman is someone who has won every background with a human.
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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 07:51

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Wasn't there a community account with a goal of getting greaterestplayer? I thought it was finished.
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Magipi wrote:You don't have to look at a lot of "the usual suspects", just this page:
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/best- ... score.html

And of course, nobody is even close. There are 640 or so combos, and there are only 2 accounts that have more than 50% of that. (And both stopped playing year ago.)


Well, except for Comborobin, which has every current availible background won. Someone would just have to dig up a branch on a server and win Dj/LO to clinch it.
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Arrhythmia wrote:Well, except for Comborobin, which has every current availible background won. Someone would just have to dig up a branch on a server and win Dj/LO to clinch it.

The CR project is already done. Dj and LO never got into any stable version, so they count even less then, say, grey elf or ogre mage (and those don't count either).
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Arrhythmia wrote:good - 10 wins
great - all species won
greater - all species AND backgrounds won (checquers is wrong, or at the very least, ambiguous)
greaterFOO - all backgrounds as race FOO or all races as background FOO won
greaterest - all available background/race combinations won, as well as one race/background combo unavailable in a stable release

the only other such achievement i know is "tiamat", for winning a draconian of every colour.

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You can win all races and backgrounds etc. offline, but then lack of verifiability will deny you the adulation you crave. Driven to despair you will end your life, dishevelled, urine soaked and alone, at 3am in the car park of a cut price eatery. When they find your body they'll say "It was only a matter of time".



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I'm sorry for your loss

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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 12:29

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I won all species... offline. There wasn't even a banner that popped up! Worse yet, the PC I did that on was wiped out since then, meaning the only record of my incredible achievement is in my own memory!

Let this be a lesson to you. Play online, or have your mighty achievements fade into the oblivion of your own faulty memory, to be believed by none.

I've been playing online since... but what are the chances there will be another double damage bug so I can win felid again?
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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 13:02

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decentplayer - have at least 10 oneandwon games (oneandwon = play combo for the first time and win).
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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 14:02

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Yermak is no.1 with three billion eight hundred thirty-five million one hundred eleven thousand six hundred fifteen total score,
followed by 4thArraOfDagon with three billion four hundred sixteen million four hundred fifty-six thousand seventeen total score :)

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maybe 78291 and bmfx
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I've seen 4th play, he a scub. The fact that I'm an anime character means I can do anything mate
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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 17:43

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Magipi wrote:
Arrhythmia wrote:Well, except for Comborobin, which has every current availible background won. Someone would just have to dig up a branch on a server and win Dj/LO to clinch it.

The CR project is already done. Dj and LO never got into any stable version, so they count even less then, say, grey elf or ogre mage (and those don't count either).


CR would need to win something like Dj, LO, GrDK, or XXJr to get greaterestplayer. This is independent of the goals of the CR account.
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Post Friday, 22nd July 2016, 21:39

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I am currently working on great player, starts off easy but gets much harder as you progress.

Wouldn't all backgrounds with MI be fairly easy, start off as MIWZ and switch as soon as you find a fighter type god.

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Post Friday, 22nd July 2016, 22:26

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Do these titles actually show up on someone's score page or elsewhere?

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Post Friday, 22nd July 2016, 22:30

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These are not real titles, only inside jokes of the IRC crawl community (which is a pretty small group of old players).
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Post Friday, 22nd July 2016, 23:46

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I don't know what you mean by not "real" titles, they're not 100% official challenges but as far as things to try and achieve in crawl they're pretty good.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 00:02

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God, Crawl needs in-game cheevos so badly.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 00:37

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I think once k get great player I will do Great Mi
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 01:09

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CypherZel wrote:I think once k get great player I will do Great Mi


Doing a greatrace takes much longer than you'd think. Even at one win a day, you're looking at almost four full weeks of winning daily.

Magipi wrote:These are not real titles, only inside jokes of the IRC crawl community (which is a pretty small group of old players).


They're not official, no, but they're not really any more arbitrary than any other achievement.

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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 04:09

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and MiWz is pretty bad
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 04:11

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MiWz is an above average combo.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 04:28

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Doing greatrace gets really boring after a while, just so you know.

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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 06:25

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goodcoolguy wrote:MiWz is an above average combo.


Does the Wz part add anything there, or is it above average because Mi is Mi and you're allowed to drop your spellbook on turn 1 to go worship trog/oka.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 07:58

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Btw, if you start as CK and then abandon Xom, does it still count as CK game for <greatspecies> purpose?
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BabyRage wrote:Btw, if you start as CK and then abandon Xom, does it still count as CK game for <greatspecies> purpose?


Yes.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 08:20

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ajon wrote:Do these titles actually show up on someone's score page or elsewhere?


If you achive it online then the IRC client has commands that show your progress.

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BabyRage wrote:Btw, if you start as CK and then abandon Xom, does it still count as CK game for <greatspecies> purpose?


What's the fun in that? MiCK sounds fun as hell

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CypherZel wrote:
BabyRage wrote:Btw, if you start as CK and then abandon Xom, does it still count as CK game for <greatspecies> purpose?


What's the fun in that? MiCK sounds fun as hell


It's not. You mainly just have to reset fights more often, rest more often (and in less convenient places), and escape the abyss more often. And occasionally he just kills you and you have to start again.

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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 13:59

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still more fun than a regular Minotaur

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goodcoolguy wrote:MiWz is an above average combo.


Mi is one of the best races for Wz.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 14:12

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Mi is one of the best races for every background tbh.

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...but then MiWz is just a weak MiFi.
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jwoodward48ss wrote:...but then MiWz is just a weak MiFi.


Which is still better than like, a good 60-80% of combos.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 17:59

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...but that isn't actually a wizard.
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Post Saturday, 23rd July 2016, 18:27

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jwoodward48ss wrote:...but that isn't actually a wizard.


One thing you learn when doing a greatrace is that backgrounds are meaningless after the first 10 minutes. Backgrounds are a starting kit, not a class or a job. There is no "intended" build for any background, and you have absolutely no obligation to stick with your starting kit.

This is especially true if you're trying to win. You are better served following the whims of the floorgod and the racial constraints/aptitudes.

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Brannock wrote:One thing you learn when doing a greatrace is that backgrounds are meaningless after the first 10 minutes. Backgrounds are a starting kit, not a class or a job. There is no "intended" build for any background, and you have absolutely no obligation to stick with your starting kit.

This is especially true if you're trying to win. You are better served following the whims of the floorgod and the racial constraints/aptitudes.

This is all true. But personally I enjoy Crawl more when I 'roleplay' the backgrounds to some extent. To me, background determines what skills I train and how (of course, found items affect this). Example: My monks put 50% of exp into UC until UC is maxed. This is very far from optimal play, but I find it fun.
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If you're going to be doing a greatrace, I recommend whatever maximizes your enjoyment of playing, even if it's suboptimal. It really would be a lot of hours of crawl.
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njvack wrote:If you're going to be doing a greatrace, I recommend whatever maximizes your enjoyment of playing, even if it's suboptimal. It really would be a lot of hours of crawl.

Like going Trog every game?

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BabyRage wrote:
njvack wrote:If you're going to be doing a greatrace, I recommend whatever maximizes your enjoyment of playing, even if it's suboptimal. It really would be a lot of hours of crawl.

Like going Trog every game?

You got it all wrong.
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ZoFy wrote:
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njvack wrote:If you're going to be doing a greatrace, I recommend whatever maximizes your enjoyment of playing, even if it's suboptimal. It really would be a lot of hours of crawl.

Like going Trog every game?

You got it all wrong.

But I enjoy winning.
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