Ghoul Casters


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Blades Runner

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 00:11

Ghoul Casters

Man, this is rough. I just splatted 15 Ghoul Earth Elementalists back to back to back to back to etc.

I just feel really seriously underpowered (I'm starting to miss my deep elf monks a little bit! At least there I had good dodging!) and out of depth monsters or above average moster density anywhere just kills me. (My best character made it to lair, but Erica on D:1, two hydras on D:2 and a hydra on D:3 eventually meant there weren't any staircases I could safely use.)

Also, since I'm a ghoul, if I run into a really difficult floor I basically have the "Frail" mutation because I'm not going to have time to stop and butcher before a gazillion other monsters are on top of me.

Any tips?

Cocytus Succeeder

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 00:19

Re: Ghoul Casters

Why don't you just show us a dump?

The fact that you are talking about "casters" is a sign that probably you are doing it wrong, but I cannot be sure.
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Blades Runner

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 00:23

Re: Ghoul Casters

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file.

9118 Kumbis the Geomancer (level 11, -1/89 HPs)
             Began as a Ghoul Earth Elementalist on July 12, 2016.
             Was a Follower of Ashenzari.
             Slain by a five-headed hydra (4 damage)
             ... on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
             The game lasted 00:57:37 (15718 turns).

Kumbis the Geomancer (Ghoul Earth Elementalist)    Turns: 15718, Time: 00:57:38

Health: -1/89      AC: 20    Str: 17    XL:     11   Next: 41%
Magic:  3/17       EV: 11    Int: 12    God:    Ashenzari [*.....]
Gold:   795        SH:  0    Dex: 12    Spells: 7 memorised, 1 level left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    a - +2 whip (elec) (curse)
rCold  + . .      Gourm    +    N - +4 scale mail of Life {rPois Str+4 Slay+2} (curse)
rNeg   + + +      Faith    .    (no shield)
rPois  8          Spirit   .    (no helmet)
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    L - +2 cloak (curse)
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    Z - +1 pair of gloves (curse)
SustAt .          Harm     .    (no boots)
MR     .....                    X - amulet of the gourmand (curse)
Stlth  +.........               j - +2 ring of dexterity (curse)
                                x - +4 ring of protection (curse)

@: very slightly contaminated, rotting, invisible, not resistant to hostile
enchantments, very unstealthy
A: rotting body, claws 1, carnivore 3, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, slow regeneration 1, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: Curse Item, Scrying, Renounce Religion


You were on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worshipped Ashenzari.
Ashenzari was aware of your devotion.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 15 of its levels.
You also visited: Ossuary.

You collected 795 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a cursed +2 whip of electrocution (weapon)
 q - a +3 quarterstaff of chaos
 r - a +1 hand axe of venom
 F - a +0 hunting sling
Missiles
 b - 206 stones (quivered)
 J - 9 tomahawks
 T - 13 javelins
 W - 144 arrows
Armour
 l - a +0 buckler
 L - a cursed +2 cloak (worn)
 N - the cursed +4 scale mail of Life (worn) {rPois Str+4 Slay+2}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It protects you from poison.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 Z - a cursed +1 pair of gloves (worn)
Magical Staves
 u - an uncursed staff of conjuration
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 i - an uncursed ring of flight
 j - a cursed +2 ring of dexterity (right hand)
 x - a cursed +4 ring of protection (left hand)
 Q - an uncursed ring of ice
 X - a cursed amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
Wands
 g - a wand of slowing (18/48)
 m - a wand of enslavement (12/24)
 B - a wand of acid (1/15)
 E - a wand of slowing (11/48)
 M - a wand of flame (15/48)
Scrolls
 f - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 s - a scroll of enchant weapon {unknown}
 y - a scroll of recharging
 D - 4 scrolls of fog
 I - a scroll of enchant armour
 U - a scroll of magic mapping {unknown}
Potions
 h - 4 potions of flight
 o - a potion of brilliance {unknown}
 t - 3 potions of might
 w - 4 potions of agility
 z - 4 potions of curing
 G - 2 potions of heal wounds
 O - a potion of resistance
 R - 2 potions of cancellation
 V - a potion of haste
Books
 c - a book of Geomancy   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Sandblast                    Earth                         1
    b - Passwall                     Transmutation/Earth           2
    c - Stone Arrow                  Conjuration/Earth             3
    d - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    e - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction   Earth                         5
 v - a book of Unlife   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Recall                       Summoning/Translocation       3
    b - Animate Dead                 Necromancy                    4
    c - Control Undead               Necromancy                    4
    d - Cigotuvi's Embrace           Necromancy                    5
    e - Death Channel                Necromancy                    6
    f - Simulacrum                   Ice/Necromancy                6
 K - a book of Party Tricks   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Butterflies           Summoning                     1
    b - Apportation                  Translocation                 1
    c - Tukima's Dance               Hexes                         3
    d - Alistair's Intoxication      Transmutation/Poison          5
    e - Invisibility                 Hexes                         6
 S - a book of Power   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Fulminant Prism              Conjuration/Hexes             4
    b - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast    Conjuration                   4
    c - Venom Bolt                   Conjuration/Poison            5
    d - Bolt of Magma                Conjuration/Fire/Earth        5
    e - Iron Shot                    Conjuration/Earth             6
    f - Orb of Destruction           Conjuration                   7
    g - Spellforged Servitor         Conjuration/Summoning         7
 Y - a book of Changes   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Beastly Appendage            Transmutation                 1
    b - Sticks to Snakes             Transmutation                 2
    c - Spider Form                  Transmutation/Poison          3
    d - Ice Form                     Ice/Transmutation             4
    e - Blade Hands                  Transmutation                 5
Comestibles
 d - 2 meat rations
 k - 4 chunks of flesh
 n - 2 beef jerkies


   Skills:
 - Level 6.0 Fighting
 - Level 6.1(6.8) Axes
 - Level 4.7(6.1) Maces & Flails
 + Level 4.7 Armour
 - Level 4.4 Dodging
 - Level 2.1 Stealth
 - Level 4.7 Spellcasting
 - Level 1.5 Conjurations
 + Level 2.0 Summonings
 - Level 5.0 Transmutations
 * Level 10.4 Earth Magic


You had one spell level left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Sandblast             Erth           ####..       1%          1    None
b - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ###.......   6%          2    ##.....
c - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ###...       17%         3    ###....
d - Petrify               Trmt/Erth      ###.....     34%         4    ####...
e - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ####......   28%         5    ######.
f - Summon Butterflies    Summ           #.......     30%         1    None
g - Sticks to Snakes      Trmt           ##......     14%         2    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (3/8) D:8
  Snake (0/4) Lair:3          Orc (1/2) D:9         
 Swamp: Lair:3-6    Shoals: Lair:3-6   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Pakellas
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Annotations:
Lair:1 Erica
Lair:2 exclusion: upstairs


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body is rotting away.
You thrive on raw meat.
You are immune to poison.
You have sharp fingernails.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
Your flesh is cold resistant.
You are immune to negative energy.
You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

Evoke which item? (* to show all) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You fade into invisibility!
The five-headed hydra misses you. The five-headed hydra bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The five-headed hydra bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The five-headed hydra closely misses you.
The five-headed hydra barely misses you.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
...and don't expect to remain undetected.
The five-headed hydra bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The five-headed hydra bites you but does no damage. x2
The five-headed hydra barely misses you.
The five-headed hydra bites you.
You die...

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You could see a five-headed hydra.

Vanquished Creatures
  Pikel (D:5)
  Maurice (D:9)
  2 black mambas
  4 spiny frogs
  A rime drake (Lair:2)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:3)
  Prince Ribbit (D:8)
  2 yaks (D:9)
  Menkaure (D:7)
  3 nagas (Lair:3)
  3 water moccasins
  2 orc warriors
  3 slaves
  An ice beast (D:7)
  2 sky beasts
  An eye of draining (D:9)
  A phantom (D:4)
  A necrophage (D:6)
  8 ogres
  3 crocodiles
  3 centaurs
  10 giant frogs
  3 big kobolds
  4 gnoll sergeants (D:9)
  A scorpion (D:6)
  2 electric eels (Lair:2)
  10 crimson imps
  A centaur zombie (D:5)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:5)
  A centaur skeleton (D:4)
  2 jellies
  2 giant frog skeletons
  2 orc priests (D:7)
  A quasit (D:9)
  4 hounds
  7 iguanas
  4 orc wizards
  8 worker ants
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  8 mummies (Ossuary)
  3 gnolls (D:9)
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:4)
  7 river rats
  13 adders
  4 shadow imps
  2 oozes (D:3)
  3 adder skeletons
  3 worms
  A dart slug (D:3)
  8 giant geckos
  33 orcs
  7 bats
  6 giant cockroaches
  2 gnoll zombies (Ossuary)
  2 goblins (D:3)
  5 hobgoblins
  12 jackals
  9 quokkas
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:5)
  2 giant gecko zombies
  2 giant newts (D:2)
  3 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  A jackal skeleton (D:4)
  4 kobolds
  3 orc zombies (Ossuary)
  2 rats (D:1)
256 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  3 fungi
  30 plants
33 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 289 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Kumbis the Ghoul Earth Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 2/2
  1249 | D:2      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 3/3
  1253 | D:2      | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
  1397 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic
  1436 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/5
  1698 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1853 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/6
  2240 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
  2864 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Axes
  3087 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  3087 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 37/38 MP: 7/7
  3127 | D:4      | Noticed a phantom
  3505 | D:4      | Noticed a centaur
  3512 | D:4      | Killed a centaur
  3512 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 27/45 MP: 8/8
  3518 | D:4      | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify
  3682 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
  3886 | D:4      | Killed a phantom
  4124 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4261 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 49/49 MP: 2/9
  4496 | D:5      | Noticed Pikel
  5536 | D:5      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  5547 | D:5      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  6091 | D:6      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  6099 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  6252 | Ossuary  | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  6497 | Ossuary  | Reached XP level 8. HP: 39/59 MP: 0/11
  6994 | D:6      | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  7000 | D:6      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  7010 | D:6      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  7010 | D:6      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  7010 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7010 | D:6      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  7019 | D:6      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  7628 | D:7      | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic
  7711 | D:7      | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
  7724 | D:7      | Noticed Menkaure
  7769 | D:7      | Killed Menkaure
  7860 | D:7      | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic
  7878 | D:7      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  8227 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 44/67 MP: 1/15
  8235 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8241 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8282 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic
  8931 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic
 10076 | D:8      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 10086 | D:8      | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled
 10422 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10580 | D:9      | Noticed Maurice
 10604 | D:9      | Killed Maurice
 10604 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
 10630 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
 10748 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 10809 | D:9      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 10844 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 11/81 MP: 0/16
 11754 | D:8      | Killed Prince Ribbit
 12379 | D:5      | Killed Pikel
 12679 | D:9      | Learned a level 2 spell: Sticks to Snakes
 12824 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
 12825 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 12944 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 12973 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 13041 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
 13280 | D:4      | Got the uncursed scale mail of Life {rPois Str+4 Slay+2}
 13291 | D:4      | Identified the +4 scale mail of Life {rPois Str+4 Slay+2} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
 13546 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13563 | Lair:1   | Noticed a black mamba
 13579 | Lair:1   | Killed a black mamba
 13579 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 13596 | Lair:1   | Noticed a griffon
 13636 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 13677 | Lair:1   | Noticed Erica
 13764 | Lair:1   | Noticed a spiny frog
 13777 | Lair:1   | Killed a spiny frog
 13790 | Lair:1   | Reached * piety under Ashenzari
 13794 | Lair:1   | Noticed a spiny frog
 13805 | Lair:1   | Killed a spiny frog
 13805 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 75/89 MP: 12/17
 14039 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations
 14582 | Lair:2   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 15134 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 15673 | Lair:3   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 15718 | Lair:2   | HP: 3/89 [five-headed hydra (9)]
 15718 | Lair:2   | Slain by a five-headed hydra

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 |
---------------+----------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |     2                 4          |  4.7
Earth Magic    |     4     5           7  9 10    | 10.4
Axes           |           1  2  3  4     5  6    |  6.1
Conjurations   |           1                      |  1.5
Dodging        |              2     3        4    |  4.4
Transmutations |                 2        4     5 |  5.0
Fighting       |                    1  2  5  6    |  6.0
Summonings     |                          1  2    |  2.0
Maces & Flails |                             4    |  4.7
Armour         |                             2  4 |  4.7
Stealth        |                                  |  2.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |    25 |   135 |   612 |    84 ||   856
       Unarmed           |     4 |       |       |       ||     4
       Quarterstaff      |       |       |    25 |       ||    25
       Whip              |       |       |       |   266 ||   266
Throw: Stone             |     1 |     1 |       |       ||     2
 Cast: Sandblast         |    13 |    30 |    56 |     2 ||   101
       Stone Arrow       |       |     1 |    17 |    19 ||    37
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |    11 |    16 ||    27
       Petrify           |       |       |     4 |    13 ||    17
       Summon Butterflie |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Sticks to Snakes  |       |       |       |    15 ||    15
Invok: Curse Item        |       |       |     5 |     2 ||     7
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |    14 |     4 ||    18
  Use: Scroll            |     3 |     7 |     7 |    15 ||    32
       Potion            |       |       |     2 |     5 ||     7
 Stab: Sleeping          |     2 |     1 |     2 |       ||     5
       Distracted        |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Petrifying        |       |       |     3 |     2 ||     5
       Petrified         |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
       Invisible         |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
  Eat: Chunk             |    11 |    18 |    49 |    44 ||   122
       Meat ration       |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
Armor: Robe              |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
       Leather armour    |    16 |    71 |   290 |    43 ||   420
       Scale mail        |       |       |       |   133 ||   133
       Ring mail         |       |       |       |    17 ||    17
Dodge: Dodged            |    26 |   101 |   479 |   261 ||   867



Best character. Ash was probably a mistake but I just won an ash game and had SO MANY remove curse scrolls.

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 00:30

Re: Ghoul Casters

I don't really see how that happened, why were you in water?
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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 00:46

Re: Ghoul Casters

I forget. t I might have been running in unknown terrain because I figured that was better than running toward another hydra? I remember the plan was that the hydra was hopefully not right next to the staircase so I could maybe make it to D:1 and take my chances with Erica. But the hydra was right next to the staircase.

Generally at this point EEs have enough Spell points to stone arrow a single hydra to death, but ghouls just don't, and they don't have the fighting skills to make up for it. I think I'd prefer any other EE race to ghoul at this point in the game. Mummies at least have decent Spell points.

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 01:32

Re: Ghoul Casters

One small bit of advice is to use sandblast (wielding stones) instead of stone arrow, especially if you have mana problems. More damage vs low-armoured creatures, slightly better accuracy.
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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 01:34

Re: Ghoul Casters

Okay, noted. Sandblast is great. It's just all my other spells that suck. (And I think there are more stones around than last time I played an EE? I won as a sludge elf EE, back when their were sludge elfs.)

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 02:02

Re: Ghoul Casters

If you're trying to just win a GhEE, best is to not train magic skills and abandon magic for armor fairly early on.

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 02:04

Re: Ghoul Casters

Is there a reason why you chose Ghoul ?
Ghouls are good in melee (claws), poison immunity, torment immunity....but they pay for this with bad stats.
You played a caster with... 12 Int but 17 str ?
That's pretty terrible for a caster in Lair, so compared to almost any other race your spell power sucks.
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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 02:39

Re: Ghoul Casters

I'm playing alphabetically. So you start with species (A) and background (A). Human fighter. Than move to species B and background B. High Elf Gladiator.

And then I splatted.... what am I up to now? 179 deep elf monks.

THEN I got bored so I'm jumping around. I even had a little win streak (of two!) with Naga skald and Demigod Fire Elementalist.

Ghoul Earth Elementalist is (W) (W) on the list.

And the "rules" are that you have to play the character more-or-less as designed - So you can't just ditch spells for the first Trog altar.

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 02:44

Re: Ghoul Casters

Probably go Chei or something. You need Int to cast well. Ash is actually okay, too. Or Kiku!

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 07:45

Re: Ghoul Casters

The low Int is quite harsh. I wouldn't recommend the 'play as designed' challenge. Personally I feel Ne or IE would work better than EE.

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Post Wednesday, 13th July 2016, 08:39

Re: Ghoul Casters

GhEE is strong. I'd suggest taking a good god like kiku instead of a mediocre god like ash though. Should be pretty easy if you stop spreading your skills super thin (why did you have transmutations skill and two weapon skills) and stop wearing bad armour that prevents you from using your spells. It also looks like you put a stat point in something that isn't int. Don't do that on spellpower-reliant ghouls.

Oh, and what you say about being frail doesn't make sense. It takes a super long time for satiated ghouls to rot. You should carry around meat rations and eat them if you reach hungry and don't have chunks to cure rot (this doesn't happen often).

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Post Thursday, 14th July 2016, 00:56

Re: Ghoul Casters

duvessa wrote:GhEE is strong. I'd suggest taking a good god like kiku instead of a mediocre god like ash though. Should be pretty easy if you stop spreading your skills super thin (why did you have transmutations skill and two weapon skills) and stop wearing bad armour that prevents you from using your spells. It also looks like you put a stat point in something that isn't int. Don't do that on spellpower-reliant ghouls.


Yeah, ash was a mistake. EE of Ash is absolutely killer once you get them off the ground, though - You can target critters you can't even see, which is the most fun thing. I'd call ash the strongest God for EE after lair.

I wanted to get petrify up and running so a lot of focus on transmutations. This is probably not worth it, though - petrify is only useful for spiny frogs and black mambas.

I did clear lair and orc with Makhleb.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file.

100032 RustProof the Geomancer (level 16, -12/134 HPs)
             Began as a Ghoul Earth Elementalist on July 13, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Makhleb.
             Mangled by a phantasmal warrior (23 damage)
             ... led by a death knight
             ... on level 14 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 02:04:17 (42461 turns).

RustProof the Geomancer (Ghoul Earth Elementalist) Turns: 42461, Time: 02:04:17

Health: -12/134    AC: 14    Str: 14    XL:     16   Next: 26%
Magic:  27/36      EV: 18    Int: 14    God:    Makhleb [******]
Gold:   2175       SH:  4    Dex: 10    Spells: 10 memorised, 0 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +    a - +9 short sword {pierce, rElec rN+ SInv}
rCold  + + .      Gourm    .    I - +2 ring mail {rC+}
rNeg   + + +      Faith    +    m - +0 buckler
rPois  8          Spirit   .    (no helmet)
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    t - +2 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    y - +2 pair of gloves
SustAt .          Harm     .    z - +0 pair of boots
MR     .....                    P - amulet of faith
Stlth  ++........               n - +4 ring of evasion
                                B - ring of magical power

@: vulnerable, rotting, not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: rotting body, claws 1, carnivore 3, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, slow regeneration 1, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You were on level 14 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Makhleb.
Makhleb was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 25 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.

You collected 2231 gold pieces.
You spent 56 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - the +9 short sword "Biluz" (weapon) {pierce, rElec rN+ SInv}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you see invisible.
 u - a +1 dagger of venom
 G - the +3 dagger "Bex Korrac" {flame, *Corrode rC+++ MR++ Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents.
   
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It may corrode you when you take damage.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 M - a +2 dagger of protection
Missiles
 b - 551 stones (quivered)
 x - 5 throwing nets
 K - 6 javelins of returning
Armour
 m - a +0 buckler (worn)
 t - a +2 cloak (worn)
 y - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 z - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 I - a +2 ring mail of cold resistance (worn)
Magical Staves
 S - an uncursed staff of conjuration
Jewellery
 f - the ring "Oviuh" {Ice Int+3}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   
   It enhances your ice magic, and weakens your fire magic.
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
 h - an uncursed ring of stealth
 n - a +4 ring of evasion (right hand)
 B - a ring of magical power (left hand)
 O - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 P - an amulet of faith (around neck)
Wands
 k - a wand of polymorph (17/24)
 s - a wand of lightning (5/15)
 v - a wand of polymorph (8/24)
 D - a wand of enslavement (13/24)
 E - a wand of flame (37/48)
 J - a wand of disintegration (7/24)
 Q - a wand of confusion (27/48)
 U - a wand of acid (0/15)
 V - a wand of disintegration (3/24)
 W - a wand of digging (9/24)
 Y - a wand of confusion (24/48)
Scrolls
 e - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 i - a scroll of identify
 p - a scroll of recharging
 q - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 w - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 L - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 Z - a scroll of fog
Potions
 g - 3 potions of might
 o - 5 potions of curing
 C - 3 potions of flight
 F - 2 potions of ambrosia
 H - a potion of resistance
 N - 2 potions of magic
 R - a potion of brilliance
Books
 c - a Young Poisoner's Handbook   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Sting                        Conjuration/Poison            1
    b - Cure Poison                  Poison                        2
    c - Mephitic Cloud               Conjuration/Poison/Air        3
    d - Olgreb's Toxic Radiance      Poison                        4
    e - Venom Bolt                   Conjuration/Poison            5
 X - a book of Alchemy   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Sublimation of Blood         Necromancy                    2
    b - Ignite Poison                Fire/Transmutation/Poison     3
    c - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    d - Alistair's Intoxication      Transmutation/Poison          5
    e - Irradiate                    Conjuration/Transmutation     5
Miscellaneous
 l - a stone of tremors
Comestibles
 d - 4 meat rations
 j - 2 slices of pizza
 r - 11 beef jerkies
 A - a royal jelly


   Skills:
 - Level 10.2 Fighting
 - Level 12.4 Short Blades
   Level 0.1(8.1) Long Blades
 - Level 2.0 Armour
 + Level 9.9 Dodging
 - Level 6.4 Stealth
 - Level 4.0 Shields
 + Level 8.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 6.0 Summonings
 - Level 3.3 Transmutations
 - Level 3.9 Fire Magic
 + Level 6.5 Air Magic
 - Level 13.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 5.2 Poison Magic
 - Level 4.0 Invocations
 - Level 1.0 Evocations


You couldn't memorise any spells.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Sandblast             Erth           #####.       1%          1    None
b - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ####......   1%          2    None
c - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ###...       6%          3    ##.....
d - Petrify               Trmt/Erth      ####....     12%         4    ####...
e - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           #####.....   3%          5    #####..
f - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ##....       12%         2    None
g - Summon Lightning Spi  Summ/Air       ###.....     21%         4    ####...
h - Olgreb's Toxic Radia  Pois           ###.....     34%         4    ####...
i - Ignite Poison         Fire/Trmt/Pois ###.....     14%         3    ##.....
j - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ###.....     17%         3    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (14/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:11
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4       Spider (0/4) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:7
    Orc (2/2) D:10            Elf (0/3) Orc:2       
Vaults: D:13-14     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Pakellas
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:4 }   D:8 ?   Orc:2 *%(:!

Annotations:
D:4 Blork the orc
Lair:3 exclusion: downstairs
Lair:7 exclusions: downstairs and 6 oklob plants
Lair:8 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body is rotting away.
You thrive on raw meat.
You are immune to poison.
You have sharp fingernails.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
Your flesh is cold resistant.
You are immune to negative energy.
You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

Your ynoxinul hits the death knight.
The death knight hits you from afar with an enchanted glaive.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Unknown command.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel better. The phantasmal warrior hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Your ynoxinul hits the death knight.
Your ufetubus barely misses the death knight.
Your ufetubus closely misses the death knight.
Your ynoxinul barely misses the death knight.
Unknown command.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel better.
Your ufetubus hits the death knight but does no damage.
Your ufetubus closely misses the death knight.
Something hits your ufetubus!!
Your ufetubus dies!
The phantasmal warrior hits you!!
You die...

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#.###.....W....
#.......###....        .#
#######W#  ....       #>#
      #.#   ...       #..
      #p#    ..       #.#
      #.#             #.#
      #.#       #######.#
      #.#       #.......#
      #.###     #.####..#
      #Wp3#######.#.....#
      ###3@W........##.##
        #########.####.#
                #.####)#
                #...(<.#
                ########


You could see a death knight, a phantasmal warrior, a wraith and 2 friendly
ynoxinuls.

Vanquished Creatures
  Snorg (Lair:7)
  Harold (Orc:1)
  A centaur warrior (D:13)
  4 hydras
  2 catoblepae
  An ogre mage (Orc:2)
  Erica (D:11)
  19 death yaks
  A queen ant (Lair:1)
  4 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  Sonja (D:14)
  Nergalle (D:12)
  3 unseen horrors
  An oklob plant (D:11)
  5 hill giants
  2 griffons (Lair:7)
  5 orc knights
  3 deep elf magi
  An ugly thing (D:11)
  6 orc sorcerers (Orc:2)
  A cyclops (D:13)
  A manticore (D:11)
  12 elephants
  6 black mambas
  A siren (Lair:4)
  A torpor snail (Lair:1)
  Psyche (D:8)
  A gargoyle (D:12)
  2 rime drakes
  21 spiny frogs
  An efreet (D:13)
  2 kobold demonologists
  12 komodo dragons
  A polar bear (Lair:7)
  A merfolk (Lair:4)
  A jumping spider (Lair:6)
  7 trolls
  2 two-headed ogres
  2 slime creatures (D:14)
  A boulder beetle (Lair:7)
  19 blink frogs
  A shadow (D:12)
  59 yaks
  A wraith (D:14)
  A wyvern (Lair:5)
  6 basilisks
  A hill giant zombie (D:10)
  15 hippogriffs
  Grum (D:11)
  10 vampire mosquitoes
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  2 wargs (Orc:2)
  Duvessa (D:7)
  21 soldier ants
  17 water moccasins
  14 porcupines
  6 ice beasts
  26 orc warriors
  3 eyes of draining
  2 sky beasts
  3 wasps
  3 black bears
  2 phantoms
  26 wolves
  9 ogres
  4 necrophages (D:10)
  5 centaurs
  12 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:12)
  24 giant frogs
  4 scorpions
  Dowan (D:7)
  2 troll zombies (D:10)
  4 killer bees
  11 wights
  2 electric eels
  A howler monkey (D:9)
  7 crimson imps
  A wasp zombie (D:12)
  4 giant frog zombies
  3 giant frog skeletons
  5 jellies
  5 centaur zombies
  6 hounds
  22 orc wizards
  26 orc priests
  A centaur skeleton (D:8)
  11 iguanas
  24 worker ants
  7 hell rats
  31 sheep
  5 ogre zombies (D:10)
  2 hound zombies
  A hound skeleton (D:4)
  A worker ant zombie (D:7)
  8 gnolls
  A howler monkey zombie (D:9)
  10 adders
  78 river rats
  3 shadow imps
  An ufetubus (Abyss:2)
  An ooze (D:4)
  2 worms
  A dart slug (D:2)
  6 giant geckos
  88 orcs
  2 ball pythons (D:1)
  A bat zombie (D:4)
  4 giant cockroaches
  13 goblins
  7 hobgoblins
  17 jackals
  14 kobolds
  5 quokkas
  6 bats
  3 giant newts
  A goblin skeleton (D:10)
  2 goblin zombies (D:10)
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:10)
  2 hobgoblin zombies (D:10)
  2 jackal skeletons
  3 orc skeletons (D:10)
  16 orc zombies (D:10)
  5 rats
  A fungus (Lair:6)
927 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  2 catoblepae (Lair:8)
  2 orc high priests
  6 death yaks
  A fire crab (Lair:8)
  An orc knight (Orc:2)
  6 elephants (Lair:8)
  A spiny frog (Lair:3)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:8)
  2 trolls
  7 yaks
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  A basilisk (Lair:3)
  A porcupine (Lair:3)
  2 ogres (Orc:1)
  A crocodile (Lair:8)
  A giant frog (Lair:7)
  2 orc wizards
  8 sheep (Lair:3)
  5 river rats
  7 orcs (Orc:1)
  A fungus (Lair:8)
  A plant (Lair:6)
60 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An orc warrior (Orc:1)
  A giant frog (D:13)
  An orc priest (Orc:2)
  A bush (Lair:8)
  78 fungi
  41 plants
  2 starspawn tentacles (Abyss:2)
125 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1112 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | RustProof the Ghoul Earth Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 2/2
   223 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 17/20 MP: 1/3
   633 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic
   776 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 18/26 MP: 3/5
  1411 | D:2      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  1480 | D:2      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  1725 | D:2      | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
  1729 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1933 | D:3      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  1976 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/33 MP: 2/6
  2042 | D:3      | Noticed a centaur
  2261 | D:3      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  2262 | D:3      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  2321 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
  2659 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/40 MP: 2/7
  2708 | D:3      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  2787 | D:3      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  2955 | D:3      | Killed a centaur
  2955 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic
  3039 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/47 MP: 8/8
  3644 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3692 | D:4      | Found an oddly glowing altar of Pakellas.
  3692 | D:4      | Found Pakellas's Prime Provisions.
  3747 | D:4      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  3771 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  3781 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  3796 | Temple   | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  3883 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3909 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
  4197 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 51/53 MP: 10/10
  4224 | D:5      | Got a warped dagger
  4225 | D:5      | Identified the +3 dagger "Bex Korrac" {flame, *Corrode rC+++ MR++ Stlth-} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  4511 | D:5      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  4542 | D:5      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  4586 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic
  5553 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 62/62 MP: 11/11
  5607 | D:6      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  5634 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic
  6126 | D:6      | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
  6165 | D:6      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  6285 | D:5      | Got a twisted short sword
  6286 | D:5      | Identified the +9 short sword "Biluz" {pierce, rElec rN+ SInv} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  6370 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  6851 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
  6974 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  7000 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  7108 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  7295 | D:7      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  7368 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  8067 | D:8      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  8067 | D:8      | Found Dydiowetz's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  8084 | D:8      | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8084 | D:8      | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  8248 | D:8      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 57/68 MP: 13/13
  8335 | D:8      | Noticed Psyche
  8345 | D:8      | Cast into level 1 of the Abyss (Psyche)
  8386 | Abyss:1  | Noticed a spatial maelstrom
  8456 | Abyss:1  | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  8465 | Abyss:1  | Noticed an ancient zyme
  8480 | Abyss:1  | Noticed a sixfirhy
  8510 | Abyss:2  | Noticed a tentacled starspawn
  8522 | Abyss:2  | Noticed a demonic crawler
  8581 | D:8      | Escaped the Abyss
  8763 | D:7      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  8771 | D:7      | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify
  8920 | D:8      | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
  9001 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  9106 | D:8      | Noticed a hellwing
  9206 | D:8      | Killed Psyche
  9270 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
  9539 | D:9      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  9579 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  9669 | D:9      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  9693 | D:9      | Noticed a troll
  9715 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 29/77 MP: 3/15
  9881 | D:9      | Found an oddly glowing altar of Pakellas.
  9945 | D:9      | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
 10277 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10299 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10532 | D:10     | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb
 10727 | D:10     | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic
 11040 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 11152 | Orc:1    | Noticed Harold
 11379 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 11440 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 11440 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
 11462 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11462 | D:11     | Noticed an oklob plant
 11653 | D:11     | Killed an oklob plant
 11653 | D:11     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 68/84 MP: 16/16
 11662 | D:11     | Noticed a manticore
 11713 | D:11     | Noticed Sonja
 11723 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Earth Magic
 11868 | D:11     | Noticed Grum
 11886 | D:11     | Killed Grum
 12005 | D:11     | Noticed a brown ugly thing
 12063 | D:11     | Killed a manticore
 12114 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 12212 | D:11     | Noticed Erica
 12220 | D:12     | Noticed an unseen horror
 12238 | D:12     | Killed an unseen horror
 12309 | D:11     | Killed Erica
 12309 | D:11     | Reached skill level 12 in Earth Magic
 12455 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 12477 | D:11     | Reached ****** piety under Makhleb
 12743 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 12764 | D:11     | Reached skill level 13 in Earth Magic
 12862 | D:11     | Killed a purple ugly thing
 12927 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13091 | Lair:1   | Noticed a queen ant
 13134 | Lair:1   | Killed a queen ant
 13136 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 97/97 MP: 17/17
 13579 | Lair:1   | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 14653 | Lair:1   | Got a steaming flail
 14654 | Lair:1   | Identified the +7 flail of Conversion {flame, *Rage rPois Str+3 Int+4} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 14834 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 14960 | Lair:2   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 15123 | Lair:2   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 15123 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 16003 | Lair:2   | Identified Wodd's Disquisition on the Igneous Birds
 16007 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
 16492 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
 16492 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
 16778 | Lair:3   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 16787 | Lair:3   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 16829 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 66/103 MP: 19/19
 16894 | Lair:3   | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Lightning Spire
 17655 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 17712 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
 18563 | Lair:4   | Got a wavering granite ring
 18565 | Lair:4   | Identified the ring "Oviuh" {Ice Int+3} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 18871 | Lair:4   | Noticed a blizzard demon
 19148 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 21364 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic
 22158 | Lair:6   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 22301 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 22301 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 118/118 MP: 11/20
 23688 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Summonings
 23858 | Lair:7   | Noticed Snorg
 23869 | Lair:7   | Killed Snorg
 24400 | Lair:7   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 27955 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 31191 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 84/121 MP: 21/21
 33591 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 35222 | Lair:8   | Learned a level 4 spell: Olgreb's Toxic Radiance
 35622 | Orc:1    | Killed Harold
 35622 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
 35984 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 36563 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 36605 | Orc:2    | Found Ojuezocu's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 36811 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 36961 | Orc:2    | Found Idworit's Distillery.
 37335 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 5 in Poison Magic
 37930 | Orc:2    | Found Kivo's General Store.
 37931 | Orc:2    | Found Sajyatt's Book Shoppe.
 37931 | Orc:2    | Found Vosibe's Food Shoppe.
 38662 | Orc:2    | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 4 turns
 39133 | Orc:2    | Learned a level 3 spell: Ignite Poison
 39180 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
 39456 | Orc:2    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 40076 | D:12     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 40122 | D:12     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 133/133 MP: 25/25
 40324 | D:12     | Noticed Nergalle
 40334 | D:12     | Killed Nergalle
 40752 | D:12     | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
 42317 | D:14     | Killed Sonja
 42437 | D:14     | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
 42458 | D:14     | HP: 1/134 [death knight/enchanted glaive (19)]
 42461 | D:14     | Mangled by a phantasmal warrior

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 |
---------------+-------------------------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |     2           3        4           5     7  8 |  8.0
Earth Magic    |     4     5  6     7  8    10 13                | 13.0
Dodging        |        2           4  5        6  7     9       |  9.9
Fighting       |        1           2  3     4  6     9    10    | 10.2
Short Blades   |                       2  5  8    10    11 12    | 12.4
Evocations     |                          1                      |  1.0
Invocations    |                          4                      |  4.0
Transmutations |                          2  3                   |  3.3
Stealth        |                                3  6             |  6.4
Armour         |                                   2             |  2.0
Air Magic      |                                   1  5  6       |  6.5
Summonings     |                                      4  6       |  6.0
Shields        |                                      1  4       |  4.0
Poison Magic   |                                            5    |  5.2
Fire Magic     |                                            3    |  3.9
Long Blades    |                                                 |  0.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |     1 |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Whip              |    59 |       |       |       |       |       ||    59
       Club              |     5 |       |       |       |       |       ||     5
       Dagger            |    41 |   250 |   150 |    28 |     4 |       ||   473
       Short sword       |       |       |   192 |  1019 |  2410 |   271 ||  3892
       Great sword       |       |       |    11 |    30 |       |       ||    41
Throw: Stone             |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Cast: Sandblast         |    50 |    14 |    21 |     5 |     1 |       ||    91
       Stone Arrow       |       |       |    11 |    10 |    35 |       ||    56
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |    13 |    25 |    71 |    10 ||   119
       Petrify           |       |       |     2 |    40 |    49 |     3 ||    94
       Summon Lightning  |       |       |       |       |    57 |       ||    57
       Olgreb's Toxic Ra |       |       |       |       |    13 |     6 ||    19
       Ignite Poison     |       |       |       |       |     6 |     6 ||    12
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Invok: Lesser Servant of |       |       |     3 |     5 |    38 |     2 ||    48
       Greater Servant o |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     5 |     4 |     7 |     1 ||    17
       Stone of tremors  |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     1 |     2 |    11 |    12 |    16 |     1 ||    43
       Potion            |       |       |       |       |     5 |     3 ||     8
 Stab: Sleeping          |     1 |     3 |     3 |     4 |     7 |     2 ||    20
       Distracted        |       |       |     1 |     2 |    11 |       ||    14
       Petrified         |       |       |       |    13 |    10 |       ||    23
       Petrifying        |       |       |       |     1 |     2 |     1 ||     4
  Eat: Chunk             |    16 |    11 |    34 |    67 |   172 |    27 ||   327
       Meat ration       |       |       |     2 |       |     5 |       ||     7
       Beef jerky        |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
Armor: Robe              |     2 |       |       |       |       |       ||     2
       Leather armour    |    51 |    80 |   136 |   162 |       |       ||   429
       Ring mail         |       |       |       |    48 |   470 |    59 ||   577
Dodge: Dodged            |   131 |   212 |   379 |   673 |  1388 |   152 ||  2935
       Deflected         |       |       |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
Block: Buckler           |       |       |       |       |   246 |    33 ||   279



I'm not seeing how it's strong at all. Except for Sandblast, none of my spells are particularly useful as low spell power - it took me like 4-5 LRDs on average to kill orc high priests and sorcerers - PLUS I have the lowest magic points of any species, tied with minotaurs and trolls. I need a lot of luck to deal with jackal packs, and God forbid an Out of Depth gnoll or something shows up.

Earth Elementalist is probably one the weakest pure caster now that Stoneskin is gone.

Ok, all points into INT from here on out, though.
Oh, and what you say about being frail doesn't make sense. It takes a super long time for satiated ghouls to rot. You should carry around meat rations and eat them if you reach hungry and don't have chunks to cure rot (this doesn't happen often).


Should I try to be full? Will that stop be from rotting? I wasn't hungry but when I hit a L:5 with multiple uniques and orc packs I was down a bunch of hit points by the time I finally finished clearing it. I was never hungry but there was so much moving around from staircase to staircase that I rotted a lot.

(This is not a problem on 95% of levels.)

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Post Thursday, 14th July 2016, 03:55

Re: Ghoul Casters

ghouls couldn't use stoneskin in the first place

you should train UC so you can punch things with your +1 UC aptitude and claws instead of relying on a mediocre weapon(especially short blades...)

ghouls can't reach full, you should be eating chunks to either recover HP or getting out of hungry

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Post Thursday, 14th July 2016, 04:00

Re: Ghoul Casters

Okay so, from this morgue it appears that you completely ignored all the advice you got, which is probably a big part of why EE seems to be bad. You're still wearing awful armour that you can't cast in yet, and you've spread your skills even thinner than the last time, with a bunch of xp in short blades and summoning which aren't doing much for you and you even trained 5 skills that do absolutely nothing for the character (stealth, tmut, fire, air, poison).

Does your conduct allow using a good melee weapon? Because it sounds like you'd find it easier to go kiku and pain brand something.

Ghouls can't become full. The way rotting works is that the speed doubles for every visible hunger level below satiated, so it's twice as fast at hungry, four times as fast at very hungry, etc. Because there are so many chunks in the game it's rare to have more than about 3 points of rot except in certain branches where there are few corpses.

Using a weapon is probably better than UC for GhEE, it certainly is if you go kiku who is the best available god anyway.

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Post Thursday, 14th July 2016, 05:39

Re: Ghoul Casters

Chop up every corpse and eat chunks after any fight where you to take significant damage to speed HP recovery in case other monsters show up soon.

Otherwise, what Duvessa said.
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Post Thursday, 14th July 2016, 21:58

Re: Ghoul Casters

duvessa wrote:Okay so, from this morgue it appears that you completely ignored all the advice you got, which is probably a big part of why EE seems to be bad. You're still wearing awful armour that you can't cast in


Ring mail is too heavy? I didn't find anything else.

yet, and you've spread your skills even thinner than the last time, with a bunch of xp in short blades and summoning which aren't doing much for you and you even trained 5 skills that do absolutely nothing for the character (stealth, tmut, fire, air, poison).


My + 9 short sword of piercing was working pretty well and I didn't have any other weapons even close to that good. I figured it was worth getting to mindelay.

And since my earth magic wasn't doing the trick, I wanted to get Ogleb's and Ignite Poison for orc, where it worked really, really well - and since I got spider and shoals I figured it would have good utility until Zot. I guess this changed in trunk, but Ogleb's is amazingly good for ghouls and mummies. I trained stealth up to +++ because I had a decent aptitude and short blades. (Ok, that was probably a mistake. But it was that or .6 of a rank in earth magic or fighting.)

Does your conduct allow using a good melee weapon? Because it sounds like you'd find it easier to go kiku and pain brand something.


I had a good weapon! A + 9 artifact short sword is a fine weapon for a caster still in the dungeon! I like Kiku A LOT(Corpse Drop + Corpse Rot is the new blowgun) but I'm wary of getting too caster involved because of my negative mana. Although, okay, exploding skeleton bombs with LRD would be fun.

My good God list is Kiku, Mahkleb, Luogno and qazal.
Ghouls can't become full. The way rotting works is that the speed doubles for every visible hunger level below satiated, so it's twice as fast at hungry, four times as fast at very hungry, etc. Because there are so many chunks in the game it's rare to have more than about 3 points of rot except in certain branches where there are few corpses.


That sucks. But you still do rot all the time. This isn't a huge deal later in the game, but earlier on it's not rare for me to be 4-6 hit points down on a tough level. This isn't a problem for fighters but when I'm killng stuff at range it can be hard to get to corpses! I've actually had pretty good luck moving up through the dungeon and looking for new spawns to kill, though.
Using a weapon is probably better than UC for GhEE, it certainly is if you go kiku who is the best available god anyway.


Yeah, I was surprised how much UC sucked. Claws do not make up for terrible, terrible, terrible Dex.
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Post Thursday, 14th July 2016, 23:48

Re: Ghoul Casters

It's not really dex that is the issue, it's that UC requires big skill investment to be good. A focused melee ghoul will be good, but a caster using unarmed as backup is dubious
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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 00:41

Re: Ghoul Casters

Shard1697 wrote:It's not really dex that is the issue, it's that UC requires big skill investment to be good. A focused melee ghoul will be good, but a caster using unarmed as backup is dubious


I thought unarmed combat is dex heavy? Anyway, yeah, it seems way worse than any branded weapon.

If I could transumte

(Why can't ghouls transmute by the way? Don't get it)

it would probably be my go-to. But here it's just not that good.

Current character! Steam dragon armor! Lots of available spells! And I went Kiku. I have a good feeling.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file.

GiggleTrain the Geomancer (GhEE)                   Turns: 14086, Time: 00:35:17

Health: 81/81      AC:  9    Str: 15    XL:     10   Next: 36%
Magic:  16/16      EV: 14    Int: 13    God:    Kikubaaqudgha [**....]
Gold:   510        SH:  4    Dex:  9    Spells: 7 memorised, 1 level left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    a - +2 long sword (slice)
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    X - +1 steam dragon armour
rNeg   + + +      Faith    .    P - +0 buckler
rPois  8          Spirit   .    (no helmet)
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    v - +0 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    m - +1 pair of gloves
SustAt .          Harm     .    (no boots)
MR     .....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  ++........               (no ring)
                                J - +2 ring of strength

@: rotting, not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: rotting body, claws 1, carnivore 3, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, slow regeneration 1, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: Receive Corpses, Renounce Religion


You are on level 9 of the Dungeon.
You worship Kikubaaqudgha.
Kikubaaqudgha is pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 9 of its levels.

You have collected 510 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +2 long sword of slicing (weapon)
 j - a +0 short sword
 n - a +0 spear
 y - a +0 vampiric short sword
 C - a long sword
 D - the +1 scimitar of Sloth {antimagic, rF++ rN+}
   (You took it off an orc wizard on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and certain
   magical creatures (including the wielder).
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 S - a +5 dagger
Missiles
 b - 111 stones (quivered)
 g - 10 tomahawks
 u - 104 sling bullets
Armour
 m - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
 v - a +0 cloak (worn)
 P - a +0 buckler (worn)
 X - a +1 steam dragon armour (worn)
Jewellery
 J - a +2 ring of strength (left hand)
Wands
 w - a wand of teleportation
 E - a wand of lightning
 N - a wand of flame {zapped: 3}
 Q - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 4}
 R - a wand of teleportation
 T - a wand of random effects
Scrolls
 h - 2 scrolls of fog
 i - a scroll labeled DOMMICR ERESI
 k - a scroll of enchant weapon
 q - a scroll of immolation
 s - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 t - a scroll labeled FIDWOOPNER
 B - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 F - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 W - a scroll of teleportation
Potions
 e - a potion of curing
 l - 2 potions of ambrosia
 p - 2 black potions
 r - a potion of heal wounds
 z - a potion of invisibility
 G - 2 potions of haste
 K - a potion of brilliance
 L - a murky emerald potion
 O - 2 potions of might
 V - a fuming dark potion
Books
 c - a book of Geomancy   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Sandblast                    Earth                         1
    b - Passwall                     Transmutation/Earth           2
    c - Stone Arrow                  Conjuration/Earth             3
    d - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    e - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction   Earth                         5
 o - a book of the Warp   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Recall                       Summoning/Translocation       3
    b - Gell's Gravitas              Hexes/Translocation           3
    c - Force Lance                  Conjuration/Translocation     4
    d - Warp Weapon                  Charms/Translocation          5
    e - Summon Forest                Summoning/Translocation       5
 A - an Akashic Record   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Dispersal                    Translocation                 6
    b - Malign Gateway               Summoning/Translocation       7
    c - Disjunction                  Translocation                 8
    d - Controlled Blink             Translocation                 8
 I - Kikubaaqudgha's Disquisition on Black Magic
   (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Animate Skeleton             Necromancy                    1
    b - Pain                         Necromancy                    1
    c - Corpse Rot                   Necromancy                    2
    d - Vampiric Draining            Necromancy                    3
    e - Control Undead               Necromancy                    4
 M - a book of Callings   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Small Mammal          Summoning                     1
    b - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    c - Call Canine Familiar         Summoning                     3
    d - Summon Guardian Golem        Hexes/Summoning               3
    e - Summon Lightning Spire       Summoning/Air                 4
    f - Summon Ice Beast             Ice/Summoning                 4
 U - a book of Clouds   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Mephitic Cloud               Conjuration/Poison/Air        3
    b - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    c - Poisonous Cloud              Conjuration/Poison/Air        6
    d - Freezing Cloud               Conjuration/Ice/Air           6
    e - Ring of Flames               Charms/Fire                   7
Comestibles
 d - 3 meat rations
 f - 4 chunks of flesh
 H - a beef jerky


   Skills:
 - Level 5.0 Fighting
 - Level 0.1 Short Blades
 - Level 7.2 Dodging
 - Level 2.2 Stealth
 - Level 3.7 Shields
 + Level 4.8 Spellcasting
 - Level 3.0 Conjurations
 - Level 3.3 Necromancy
 - Level 0.8 Transmutations
 - Level 9.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 0.6 Evocations


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Sandblast             Erth           ####..       1%          1    None
b - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ###.......   4%          2    ##.....
c - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ###...       6%          3    ###....
d - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ####......   14%         5    ######.
e - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          6%          1    None
f - Corpse Rot            Necr           N/A          10%         2    ##.....
g - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      #.......     34%         3    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/15)             Temple (0/1) D:7            Lair (0/8) D:9
   Orc: D:9-12     

Altars:
Dithmenos
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Nemelex Xobeh
Ru
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Zin

Shops:
D:7 }=:

Annotations:
D:3 exclusion: downstairs
D:4 not done, exclusion: downstairs, HeadOff's ghost, novice OgAK
D:5 exclusion: upstairs, PooperTPants's ghost, amateur OgAK


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body is rotting away.
You thrive on raw meat.
You are immune to poison.
You have sharp fingernails.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
Your flesh is cold resistant.
You are immune to negative energy.
You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
You start resting.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
Magic restored.
You start resting.
HP restored.
Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands.
Returning to the game...
Things that are here:
a giant club; a +0 robe
You see here an arrow.
You see here an arrow.
There is an escape hatch in the floor here.
Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands.
Returning to the game...
You see here a chain mail.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Save game and exit?

  #        .#
#.#.######..##
#.............
  #...@....#
  ########.#


There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Prince Ribbit (D:8)
  2 wyverns (D:8)
  A spriggan (D:8)
  A hungry ghost (D:6)
  A steam dragon (D:8)
  A hippogriff (D:7)
  A warg (D:8)
  Duvessa (D:4)
  3 orc warriors
  A phantom (D:6)
  2 sky beasts
  4 ogres
  3 centaurs
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  6 giant frogs
  Dowan (D:4)
  A water moccasin zombie (D:8)
  3 scorpions
  A howler monkey (D:5)
  A wasp zombie (D:6)
  A centaur zombie (D:5)
  4 crimson imps
  6 hounds
  A jelly (D:5)
  2 centaur skeletons
  6 orc priests
  2 iguanas (D:6)
  8 orc wizards
  4 worker ants
  A killer bee zombie (D:8)
  2 hound skeletons
  10 adders
  4 gnolls (D:8)
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:8)
  An ooze (D:1)
  3 adder skeletons
  A worm (D:4)
  3 dart slugs (D:1)
  5 giant geckos
  28 orcs
  2 ball pythons
  10 bats
  4 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  13 jackals
  5 quokkas
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:5)
  7 giant newts
  8 kobolds
  7 rats
202 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An orc wizard (D:8)
  An orc (D:7)
2 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 204 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | GiggleTrain the Ghoul Earth Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 2/2
    86 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/20 MP: 0/4
   152 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
  1019 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/27 MP: 5/5
  1024 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1212 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  2497 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic
  2705 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/35 MP: 6/6
  3575 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/41 MP: 7/7
  3696 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
  3988 | D:4      | Noticed Dowan
  4356 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  4375 | D:4      | Noticed Duvessa
  4498 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 44/48 MP: 9/9
  4567 | D:4      | Noticed HeadOff's ghost (novice OgAK)
  4648 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4728 | D:4      | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  4803 | D:5      | Noticed PooperTPants's ghost (amateur OgAK)
  4833 | D:5      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  5158 | D:4      | Noticed Edmund
  5511 | D:4      | Killed Duvessa
  5511 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic
  5511 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/53 MP: 0/10
  5646 | D:4      | Killed Dowan
  6197 | D:4      | Killed Blork the orc
  6197 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic
  6361 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  6363 | D:5      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  6365 | D:5      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  6375 | D:5      | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha
  6796 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic
  6796 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 61/61 MP: 7/11
  6973 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic
  7420 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  7640 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7741 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 64/71 MP: 0/12
  8690 | D:7      | Found Vuikiudgh's Gadget Emporium.
  8695 | D:7      | Found Fiantocs's Jewellery Shop.
  8762 | D:6      | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha
  8762 | D:6      | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha
  8773 | D:6      | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Disquisition on Black Magic (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  8782 | D:6      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
  8785 | D:6      | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot
  8966 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  8982 | D:7      | Found Peed's Book Shop.
  9007 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 10421 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
 10523 | D:6      | Got an encrusted scimitar {antimagic}
 10524 | D:6      | Identified the cursed +1 scimitar of Sloth {antimagic, rF++ rN+} (You took it off an orc wizard on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 11550 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 11708 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
 12320 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 31/80 MP: 4/14
 12325 | D:8      | HP: 3/80 [centaur (10)]
 12429 | D:8      | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 12490 | D:8      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
 12564 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
 12660 | D:8      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 12684 | D:8      | Killed Prince Ribbit
 13739 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 |
---------------+-------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |  2              3           4 |  4.8
Fighting       |        1  2           4  5    |  5.0
Earth Magic    |        4     5  6  8  9       |  9.0
Dodging        |           2  3  4     6  7    |  7.2
Necromancy     |                          3    |  3.3
Shields        |                          3    |  3.7
Conjurations   |                             3 |  3.0
Short Blades   |                               |  0.1
Stealth        |                               |  2.2
Transmutations |                               |  0.8
Evocations     |                               |  0.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    37 |       |    48 |       ||    85
       Spear             |    70 |       |       |       ||    70
       Dagger            |    23 |   128 |   167 |       ||   318
       Long sword        |       |       |    28 |    63 ||    91
Throw: Stone             |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Cast: Sandblast         |    13 |    38 |   168 |    34 ||   253
       Stone Arrow       |       |     3 |     7 |     1 ||    11
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |     3 |     2 ||     5
       Animate Skeleton  |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
       Corpse Rot        |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
Invok: Receive Corpses   |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 |    11 |     3 ||    24
       Potion            |       |     1 |     6 |     1 ||     8
 Stab: Sleeping          |     7 |     2 |     1 |       ||    10
  Eat: Chunk             |    12 |    20 |    36 |    11 ||    79
       Meat ration       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Beef jerky        |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Armor: Robe              |    27 |    50 |   102 |    10 ||   189
       Steam dragon armo |       |       |       |    17 ||    17
Dodge: Dodged            |    98 |   117 |   311 |    61 ||   587
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    22 |    23 ||    45

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 01:19

Re: Ghoul Casters

Reptisaurus wrote:Ring mail is too heavy? I didn't find anything else.
You found robes and leather.
Reptisaurus wrote:Yeah, I was surprised how much UC sucked. Claws do not make up for terrible, terrible, terrible Dex.
...
...You do realize that dexterity doesn't affect damage, right?

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 01:42

Re: Ghoul Casters

The way that unarmed combat works is (basically)that your base damage equals your skill, +3. So your damage depends very heavily on putting a lot of XP into the skill, and also you miss out on enchant+brands that weapons have... so early or on caster which must spend most XP on other skills, it's not good.

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 02:51

Re: Ghoul Casters

Huh. The wiki said dex affects unarmed damage... somehow. Anyway, practically, I agree with you guys that unarmed is not worth it on this character.

And is probably never worth it on characters that aren't (A) trolls, (B) transmuters, or (C) potential transmuters.

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 03:09

Re: Ghoul Casters

advice: don't read the wiki

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 03:46

Re: Ghoul Casters

Reptisaurus wrote:Huh. The wiki said dex affects unarmed damage... somehow. Anyway, practically, I agree with you guys that unarmed is not worth it on this character.

And is probably never worth it on characters that aren't (A) trolls, (B) transmuters, or (C) potential transmuters.
There's no reason you need to use transmutations on an unarmed character, you can go heavy armor unarmed just fine. And ghouls are actually quite good at unarmed, just not when they're also being damage-spell-casters.

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 03:58

Re: Ghoul Casters

Unarmed without claws or forms is behind maces/lbl/axes/polearms pretty much all game though.

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 06:04

Re: Ghoul Casters

duvessa wrote:Unarmed without claws or forms is behind maces/lbl/axes/polearms pretty much all game though.


Ghouls' apts do even that out a bit in the mid to late game.
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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 06:07

Re: Ghoul Casters

Also: why tmut? Can Gh cast a Tmut spell other than Sticks to Snakes?
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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 07:54

Re: Ghoul Casters

Yes. Passwall, Petrify, Alistair, Ignite poison, Yara.

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Re: Ghoul Casters

Irradiate.

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 22:00

Re: Ghoul Casters

stickyfingers wrote:Yes. Passwall, Petrify, Alistair, Ignite poison, Yara.


And earth elemetalists start with petrify, so I thought it might be worth it to get a reasonable %.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file.

GiggleTrain the Eclecticist (GhEE)                 Turns: 89430, Time: 04:46:53

HP:   159/178 (181) AC: 27    Str: 16    XL:     21   Next: 49%
MP:   34/49         EV: 21    Int: 23    God:    Kikubaaqudgha [******]
Gold: 234           SH:  8    Dex: 18    Spells: 15 memorised, 1 level left

rFire  + . .      SeeInvis .    a - +3 falchion {slice, MP+9 Int+5}
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    X - +5 steam dragon armour
rNeg   + + +      Faith    .    s - +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
rPois  8          Spirit   .    C - +2 hat of Defence {rF+ Int+5}
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    v - +2 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  +    m - +2 pair of gloves
SustAt .          Harm     .    A - +2 pair of boots
MR     +++++      Clarity  +    S - amulet of the Four Winds {rN+ MR+++ Clar}
Stlth  +++.......               M - +5 ring of protection
                                Q - ring of the Eleven Wonders {+Inv MR+ Dex+6 Stlth+}

@: rotting, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: rotting body, claws 1, carnivore 3, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, slow regeneration 1, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: Receive Corpses, Torment, Brand Weapon With Pain, Receive Necronomicon,
Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer


You are on level 4 of the Vaults.
You worship Kikubaaqudgha.
Kikubaaqudgha is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 37 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth.

You have collected 3872 gold pieces.
You have spent 3638 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - the +3 falchion "Lacertilianslayer" (weapon) {slice, MP+9 Int+5}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 D - the +1 scimitar of Sloth {antimagic, rF++ rN+}
   (You took it off an orc wizard on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and certain
   magical creatures (including the wielder).
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
Missiles
 V - 9 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 m - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 s - the +3 warlock's mirror (worn) {reflect}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 v - a +2 cloak (worn)
 A - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 C - the +2 hat of Defence (worn) {rF+ Int+5}
   (You acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from fire.
 X - a +5 steam dragon armour (worn)
Jewellery
 g - the ring of Dirull {rF- rC+ MP+9 Slay+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of slaying]
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
   It lets you see invisible.
 H - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 M - a +5 ring of protection (right hand)
 Q - the ring of the Eleven Wonders (left hand) {+Inv MR+ Dex+6 Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+6).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 S - the amulet of the Four Winds (around neck) {rN+ MR+++ Clar}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of nothing]
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It protects you against confusion.
 Z - an uncursed ring of ice
Wands
 c - a wand of confusion (7/48)
 f - a wand of iceblast
 o - a wand of iceblast (3/15)
 u - a wand of digging {zapped: 5}
 w - a wand of teleportation (4/9)
 y - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 2}
 B - a wand of acid {zapped: 3}
 E - a wand of lightning (0/15)
 I - a wand of heal wounds (1/9)
 L - a wand of disintegration (12/24)
 O - a wand of teleportation
 P - a wand of lightning (0/15)
 W - a wand of iceblast
Scrolls
 b - 2 scrolls of silence
 h - 5 scrolls of fog
 i - 2 scrolls of fear
 n - 10 scrolls of recharging
 p - 2 scrolls of blinking
 r - 7 scrolls of identify
 F - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
 T - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 e - 10 potions of curing
 j - 5 potions of flight
 k - a potion of resistance
 q - 3 potions of agility
 z - 3 potions of invisibility
 G - 2 potions of haste
 J - 4 potions of ambrosia
 K - 4 potions of brilliance
 Y - a potion of cancellation
Miscellaneous
 R - a lamp of fire
 U - a box of beasts {used: 6}
Comestibles
 d - 7 meat rations
 t - 7 beef jerkies


   Skills:
 - Level 14.0 Fighting
   Level 0.1(7.1) Short Blades
 - Level 11.1 Long Blades
 - Level 3.8 Armour
 - Level 11.7 Dodging
 - Level 2.2 Stealth
 - Level 4.0 Shields
 - Level 16.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 10.5 Conjurations
 - Level 0.6 Summonings
 - Level 12.5 Necromancy
 - Level 1.1 Translocations
 - Level 3.1 Transmutations
 * Level 7.7 Fire Magic
 - Level 1.1 Air Magic
 - Level 13.1 Earth Magic
 - Level 5.6 Poison Magic
 - Level 7.0 Evocations


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      ######....   4%          6    ####...
b - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          1%          4    None
c - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       1%          3    None
d - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ######....   1%          5    ##.....
e - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          0%          1    None
f - Corpse Rot            Necr           N/A          1%          2    None
g - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ######..     1%          3    None
h - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  #####...     1%          3    None
i - Vampiric Draining     Necr           ######....   1%          3    None
j - Agony                 Necr           ######..     1%          5    ##.....
k - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ###.....     2%          1    None
l - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          2%          2    None
m - Olgreb's Toxic Radia  Pois           #####...     3%          4    None
n - Ignite Poison         Fire/Trmt/Pois #####...     1%          3    None
o - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ######....   12%         6    ####...


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:7            Lair (8/8) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:4       Spider (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (0/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:14
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Dithmenos
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Nemelex Xobeh
Ru
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:7 }=:   D:9 **?   Orc:2 }=:%[   Vaults:1 }**}   Vaults:3 :

Annotations:
D:3 exclusion: downstairs
D:4 not done, exclusion: downstairs, HeadOff's ghost, novice OgAK
D:5 exclusion: upstairs, PooperTPants's ghost, amateur OgAK
Lair:1 fly rfire, exclusion: 2 downstairs
Lair:3 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:4 dig dis fly
Lair:5 exclusion: downstairs
Lair:7 exclusions: downstairs and skeleton
Spider:3 exclusion: downstairs
Vaults:3 exclusion: downstairs
Vaults:4 Mennas


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body is rotting away.
You thrive on raw meat.
You are immune to poison.
You have sharp fingernails.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
Your flesh is cold resistant.
You are immune to negative energy.
You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Iron Shot
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - deep troll earth mage
Aim: a deep troll earth mage (almost dead)
The iron shot hits the deep troll earth mage.
You kill the deep troll earth mage!
Kikubaaqudgha accepts your kill.
There isn't anything here!
Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You can't eat that!
You start resting.
A deep troll comes into view.
A deep troll is nearby!
Unknown command.
Save game and exit?
Level annotation: Mennas
Welcome back, GiggleTrain the Ghoul Earth Elementalist.
Kikubaaqudgha says: Spread unending torment and darkness!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Save game and exit?

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You can see a deep troll.

Vanquished Creatures
  Norris (Spider:4)
  A lich (Vaults:2)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:4)
  4 tengu reavers
  Roxanne (Shoals:1)
  2 fire giants (Vaults:3)
  8 emperor scorpions
  5 vault wardens
  3 ghost moths
  3 very ugly things (Vaults:3)
  4 stone giants
  12 ironheart preservers
  4 salamander stormcallers
  A spark wasp (Spider:3)
  3 deep elf demonologists (Vaults:4)
  Azrael (Orc:1)
  3 deep elf annihilators
  An ettin (Vaults:4)
  3 merfolk javelineers (Shoals:4)
  A minotaur (Lab)
  7 merfolk impalers
  A crystal guardian (Vaults:4)
  A deep elf death mage (Vaults:3)
  A jiangshi (Vaults:3)
  A great orb of eyes (Vaults:2)
  5 vault guards
  5 yaktaur captains
  3 entropy weavers
  An ice dragon (Lair:4)
  8 hydras
  A rakshasa (D:15)
  2 alligator snapping turtles
  8 centaur warriors
  8 ogre magi
  2 death knights
  A death yak (Lair:7)
  5 merfolk avatars
  A satyr (Shoals:4)
  4 merfolk aquamancers
  A deep troll earth mage (Vaults:4)
  A vampire mage (Vaults:3)
  Urug (D:14)
  A tengu warrior (D:15)
  A queen ant (Lair:1)
  5 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  4 deep elf knights
  Nergalle (D:10)
  14 sea snakes
  3 fire crabs
  A skeletal warrior (Vaults:3)
  11 deep trolls
  A giant orange brain (Vaults:3)
  5 unseen horrors
  7 hill giants
  A hill giant (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  6 deep elf archers
  19 orc knights
  18 harpies
  11 ironbrand convokers
  22 ugly things
  31 wolf spiders
  A mana viper (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  9 griffons
  4 fauns
  7 deep elf magi
  12 cyclopes
  10 manticores
  15 orb spiders
  4 hornets
  10 sirens
  A cyclops (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  6 black mambas
  5 elephants
  A moth of wrath (Spider:1)
  3 molten gargoyles (D:10)
  5 water nymphs
  4 gargoyles
  A torpor snail (Spider:4)
  12 vault sentinels
  12 spiny frogs
  25 yaktaurs
  9 komodo dragons
  2 kobold demonologists (D:15)
  3 rime drakes
  An efreet (D:14)
  8 demonic crawlers
  2 yaktaurs (shapeshifter)
  28 merfolk
  2 tengu conjurers
  8 polar bears
  12 trolls
  35 jumping spiders
  6 wind drakes
  5 boulder beetles
  13 slime creatures
  17 two-headed ogres
  6 blink frogs
  Prince Ribbit (D:8)
  13 snapping turtles
  78 redbacks
  A human simulacrum (Vaults:3)
  A shadow (D:14)
  29 tarantellas
  5 wraiths
  7 wyverns
  20 water elementals
  2 fire elementals (Orc:2)
  9 spriggans
  31 yaks
  9 basilisks
  4 hungry ghosts
  3 steam dragons
  23 vampire mosquitoes
  11 hippogriffs
  A mottled dragon (Lair:5)
  7 wargs
  12 soldier ants
  16 water moccasins
  A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  Duvessa (D:4)
  2 hell hounds (Orc:1)
  14 porcupines
  41 orc warriors
  5 ice beasts
  An eye of draining (D:11)
  2 phantoms
  5 sky beasts
  7 wasps
  6 black bears (Lair:8)
  3 necrophages
  43 ogres
  7 boggarts
  34 wolves
  13 centaurs
  11 crocodiles
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  4 big kobolds
  A big kobold (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  30 giant frogs
  A wyvern zombie (D:12)
  Dowan (D:4)
  A water moccasin zombie (D:8)
  4 scorpions
  5 wights (D:9)
  6 killer bees
  An electric eel (D:12)
  A giant frog zombie (D:10)
  2 howler monkeys
  A wasp zombie (D:6)
  3 centaur zombies
  7 crimson imps
  7 hounds
  3 jellies
  8 centaur skeletons
  A gnoll shaman (Orc:1)
  44 orc priests
  12 human skeletons (Vaults:4)
  5 iguanas
  22 orc wizards
  2 hell rats (Lair:2)
  24 worker ants
  16 sheep
  A killer bee zombie (D:8)
  3 hound skeletons
  A worker ant zombie (D:11)
  15 adders
  9 gnolls
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:8)
  48 river rats
  2 shadow imps (D:15)
  3 white imps (Lair:4)
  An ooze (D:1)
  3 adder skeletons
  A worm (D:4)
  3 dart slugs (D:1)
  7 giant geckos
  100 orcs
  2 ball pythons
  10 bats
  4 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  13 jackals
  7 quokkas
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:5)
  7 giant newts
  24 kobolds
  14 rats
  A fire vortex (Vaults:3)
  A plant (Lair:5)
  3 tentacles (Shoals:1)
1589 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An emperor scorpion (Spider:2)
  A vault warden (Vaults:4)
  5 ironheart preservers
  A stone giant (Vaults:2)
  A deep elf death mage (Vaults:1)
  A merfolk impaler (Shoals:4)
  Josephine (Lair:5)
  3 yaktaur captains
  A fire dragon (Vaults:2)
  A hydra (Lair:6)
  2 centaur warriors
  2 alligator snapping turtles (Shoals:4)
  2 deep elf knights (Vaults:1)
  A flayed ghost (Vaults:2)
  A sea snake (Shoals:3)
  A deep troll (Vaults:1)
  4 harpies
  3 orb spiders
  A swamp dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  A manticore (Shoals:4)
  9 wolf spiders
  2 deep elf magi (Vaults:3)
  4 griffons
  5 fauns
  9 elephants
  5 ugly things
  2 cyclopes
  A moth of wrath (Spider:1)
  A water nymph (Shoals:2)
  4 sirens
  A black mamba (Lair:8)
  A molten gargoyle (D:10)
  A torpor snail (Spider:1)
  3 demonic crawlers
  2 yaktaurs (Vaults:2)
  3 komodo dragons
  3 polar bears
  2 two-headed ogres
  6 jumping spiders
  4 merfolk
  A troll (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A wind drake (Shoals:4)
  A two-headed ogre (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A boulder beetle (Vaults:2)
  2 blink frogs (Lair:2)
  2 slime creatures (D:12)
  7 snapping turtles
  14 redbacks
  4 tarantellas
  A water elemental (Shoals:4)
  4 spriggans (Lair:8)
  2 wraiths (Lair:5)
  7 yaks
  2 hippogriffs
  3 vampire mosquitoes
  A soldier ant (Lair:1)
  3 mottled dragons
  4 water moccasins
  A wasp (Lair:8)
  4 porcupines
  3 black bears
  5 wolves
  2 ogres
  3 centaurs
  4 crocodiles
  3 giant frogs
  A giant frog zombie (D:10)
  A centaur zombie (D:10)
  An orc priest (D:14)
  An iguana (Lair:4)
  A hell rat (Lair:2)
  2 worker ants (Lair:2)
  6 sheep
  A worker ant zombie (D:10)
  35 river rats
  5 orcs
  6 fungi
  A plant (Lair:5)
248 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  Nikola (Spider:2)
  A salamander stormcaller (Vaults:1)
  5 merfolk javelineers
  A merfolk aquamancer (Shoals:4)
  A deep troll shaman (Vaults:4)
  An ogre mage (Vaults:1)
  A satyr (Shoals:3)
  A deep troll (Vaults:4)
  An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:3)
  A yaktaur (Vaults:4)
  2 jumping spiders
  A two-headed ogre (Vaults:2)
  A vampire mosquito (Vaults:2)
  A centaur (Shoals:4)
  A giant frog zombie (D:12)
  An orc wizard (D:8)
  2 orcs
  39 fungi
  35 plants
  23 tentacles
  1234 tentacle segments
1354 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 3191 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | GiggleTrain the Ghoul Earth Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 2/2
    86 | D:1      | Reached skill level 2 in Spellcasting
    86 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/20 MP: 0/4
   152 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
  1019 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/27 MP: 5/5
  1024 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1212 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  2705 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/35 MP: 6/6
  3575 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/41 MP: 7/7
  3696 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
  3988 | D:4      | Noticed Dowan
  4356 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  4375 | D:4      | Noticed Duvessa
  4498 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 44/48 MP: 9/9
  4567 | D:4      | Noticed HeadOff's ghost (novice OgAK)
  4648 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4660 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Spellcasting
  4728 | D:4      | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  4803 | D:5      | Noticed PooperTPants's ghost (amateur OgAK)
  4833 | D:5      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  5158 | D:4      | Noticed Edmund
  5511 | D:4      | Killed Duvessa
  5511 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/53 MP: 0/10
  5646 | D:4      | Killed Dowan
  6197 | D:4      | Killed Blork the orc
  6361 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  6363 | D:5      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  6365 | D:5      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  6375 | D:5      | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha
  6796 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 61/61 MP: 7/11
  7420 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  7640 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7741 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 64/71 MP: 0/12
  8690 | D:7      | Found Vuikiudgh's Gadget Emporium.
  8695 | D:7      | Found Fiantocs's Jewellery Shop.
  8762 | D:6      | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha
  8762 | D:6      | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha
  8773 | D:6      | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Disquisition on Black Magic (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  8782 | D:6      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
  8785 | D:6      | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot
  8966 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  8982 | D:7      | Found Peed's Book Shop.
  9007 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 10421 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
 10523 | D:6      | Got an encrusted scimitar {antimagic}
 10524 | D:6      | Identified the cursed +1 scimitar of Sloth {antimagic, rF++ rN+} (You took it off an orc wizard on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 11550 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 11708 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
 12320 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 31/80 MP: 4/14
 12325 | D:8      | HP: 3/80 [centaur (10)]
 12327 | D:8      | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
 12429 | D:8      | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 12490 | D:8      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
 12564 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
 12660 | D:8      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 12684 | D:8      | Killed Prince Ribbit
 13739 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 14214 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 14772 | D:8      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
 14974 | D:9      | Found Usuunn's General Store.
 15012 | D:9      | Found Ocikonyb's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of recharging for 123 gold pieces
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 97 gold pieces
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 15153 | D:9      | Found Qararodd's Assorted Antiques.
 15175 | D:9      | Bought a scroll labeled WOWACR DIXI for 27 gold pieces
 15175 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 54 gold pieces
 15178 | D:9      | Got a pitted hat
 15184 | D:9      | Identified the +2 hat of Defence {rF+ Int+5} (You acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 15209 | D:9      | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting
 15673 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
 15776 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades
 16051 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 16938 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 79/87 MP: 19/19
 17346 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
 17970 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades
 18285 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 18315 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
 19218 | Lair:2   | Noticed a queen ant
 19469 | Lair:1   | Killed a queen ant
 20153 | Lair:1   | Reached *** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 20153 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha
 20163 | Lair:1   | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Evil Rites (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 20317 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
 20820 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 20820 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting
 21428 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting
 21428 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 85/94 MP: 21/23
 21536 | Lair:2   | Reached **** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 22069 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting
 22082 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 5 spell: Agony
 22659 | Lair:3   | Got an iridescent falchion
 22660 | Lair:3   | Identified the +3 falchion "Lacertilianslayer" {slice, MP+9 Int+5} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 22697 | Lair:3   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 24604 | Lair:3   | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 25295 | Lair:4   | Noticed an ice dragon
 25311 | Lair:4   | Killed an ice dragon
 25511 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 25997 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
 26418 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 26533 | Lair:5   | Noticed Josephine
 26746 | Lair:5   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 27287 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 105/105 MP: 25/25
 27723 | Lair:5   | Reached ***** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 28741 | Lair:5   | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
 28991 | Lair:5   | Killed Josephine
 29438 | Lair:6   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 29448 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 29691 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 29700 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 29761 | Lab      | Got a crude whip
 29762 | Lab      | Identified the +9 whip of Painful Death {slash, rPois rF+} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 32123 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 33196 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 84/116 MP: 26/26
 33845 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 34049 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Long Blades
 34268 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy
 34365 | Lair:8   | Reached ****** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 36929 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 37185 | D:7      | Bought the ring of the Eleven Wonders {+Inv MR+ Dex+6 Stlth+} for 707 gold pieces
 37554 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 37867 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 38639 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 39036 | D:10     | Noticed Nergalle
 39653 | D:10     | Killed Nergalle
 39653 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 39858 | D:10     | Identified the Incunabulum of Lightness (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
 40333 | D:7      | Bought a wand of heal wounds (1/9) for 390 gold pieces
 41533 | D:12     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 99/126 MP: 25/27
 41591 | D:12     | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 41695 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 42343 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 42649 | Orc:1    | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 43055 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 43231 | Orc:2    | Found Ket Rufifu's Quality Used Wands.
 43338 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 43598 | Orc:2    | Noticed Azrael
 44033 | Orc:1    | Killed Azrael
 44286 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 46649 | Orc:2    | Learned a level 4 spell: Olgreb's Toxic Radiance
 46736 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
 46893 | Orc:2    | Found Geigyiq's Book Boutique.
 46896 | Orc:2    | Found Taocekem's Food Shop.
 46897 | Orc:2    | Found Huap Cil's Jewellery Boutique.
 46898 | Orc:2    | Found Nishemud's Armour Boutique.
 46909 | Orc:2    | Bought a +5 ring of evasion for 825 gold pieces
 48513 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Poison Magic
 48617 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 49149 | D:14     | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting
 49636 | D:14     | Noticed Urug
 49646 | D:14     | Killed Urug
 49787 | D:14     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 134/134 MP: 28/30
 50093 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 50624 | D:10     | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
 51683 | D:15     | Got a bloodstained battleaxe
 51894 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 53369 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 54643 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 55373 | Spider:2 | Noticed Nikola
 55384 | Spider:2 | Killed Nikola
 57993 | Spider:3 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 124/146 MP: 15/31
 58949 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting
 58995 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 59774 | Spider:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Ignite Poison
 59790 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 60240 | Spider:4 | Noticed Norris
 60485 | Spider:4 | Paralysed by Norris for 2 turns
 60507 | Spider:4 | Killed Norris
 64234 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
 64636 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 64926 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 151/160 MP: 33/33
 65786 | Shoals:1 | Noticed Roxanne
 65796 | Shoals:1 | Killed Roxanne
 67015 | Shoals:1 | Identified Roxanne's Handbook of Clay (You took it off Roxanne on level 1 of the Shoals)
 67213 | Shoals:1 | Got a translucent rapier
 70063 | D:7      | Bought a book of the Earth for 715 gold pieces
 70518 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting
 71105 | Shoals:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Shoals
 71552 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 72490 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting
 72503 | Shoals:3 | Learned a level 6 spell: Iron Shot
 72767 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 146/167 MP: 27/36
 73429 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
 73756 | Shoals:4 | Got a heavily runed helmet
 73762 | Shoals:4 | Identified the +1 helmet of Daffodils {rPois Regen+ MP+9} (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)
 74466 | Shoals:4 | Killed Ilsuiw
 74780 | Shoals:4 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 75944 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 76674 | Vaults:1 | Found Teajezib's Gadget Boutique.
 76773 | Vaults:1 | Found Muameuvy's Gadget Shoppe.
 78236 | Vaults:1 | Found Bejuem's General Store.
 78357 | Vaults:1 | Found Noegrar's General Store.
 79036 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 79749 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 170/172 MP: 38/38
 81305 | D:7      | Bought a box of beasts for 260 gold pieces
 82066 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 16 in Spellcasting
 82559 | Shoals:1 | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 83486 | Vaults:2 | Got a bound pewter ring
 83488 | Vaults:2 | Identified the ring of Dirull {rF- rC+ MP+9 Slay+2 SInv} (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)
 84437 | D:7      | Bought the amulet of the Four Winds {rN+ MR+++ Clar} for 388 gold pieces
 85300 | Vaults:3 | Found Icuvon's Book Shop.
 86050 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 86116 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 86438 | Vaults:3 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 158/179 MP: 27/40
 87957 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 88472 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Mennas

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |  2              3           6  8  9       11    12 14 15 16    | 16.0
Fighting       |        1  2           4  5        7  8 10    12 14             | 14.0
Earth Magic    |        4     5  6  8  9       10             12       13       | 13.1
Dodging        |           2  3  4     6  7        9    10    11                | 11.7
Necromancy     |                          3     4  5  9 10          12          | 12.5
Shields        |                          3     4                               |  4.0
Conjurations   |                             3                          6  9 10 | 10.5
Fire Magic     |                             1                             5  7 |  7.7
Long Blades    |                             3  6  7  9 10    11                | 11.1
Air Magic      |                                1                               |  1.1
Evocations     |                                         6  7                   |  7.0
Poison Magic   |                                            5                   |  5.6
Translocations |                                               1                |  1.1
Armour         |                                                  3             |  3.8
Transmutations |                                                  1     2  3    |  3.1
Short Blades   |                                                                |  0.1
Stealth        |                                                                |  2.2
Summonings     |                                                                |  0.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    37 |       |    48 |     2 |       |       |       ||    87
       Spear             |    70 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||    70
       Dagger            |    23 |   128 |   167 |       |       |       |       ||   318
       Long sword        |       |       |    28 |   687 |       |       |       ||   715
       Falchion          |       |       |       |   275 |  2243 |  1732 |  1132 ||  5382
Throw: Stone             |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     1
 Cast: Sandblast         |    13 |    38 |   168 |    73 |     2 |     5 |       ||   299
       Stone Arrow       |       |     3 |     7 |    45 |   189 |   217 |    95 ||   556
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |     3 |    13 |    55 |    64 |    69 ||   204
       Animate Skeleton  |       |       |     1 |    51 |   137 |     8 |     1 ||   198
       Corpse Rot        |       |       |     1 |     8 |     6 |    10 |     2 ||    27
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |       |       |    19 |    19 |     2 |     8 ||    48
       Passwall          |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
       Vampiric Draining |       |       |       |    21 |    62 |    46 |    17 ||   146
       Conjure Flame     |       |       |       |     8 |     3 |    51 |    16 ||    78
       Agony             |       |       |       |     9 |    98 |    45 |    12 ||   164
       Summon Butterflie |       |       |       |       |    19 |     6 |     1 ||    26
       Olgreb's Toxic Ra |       |       |       |       |     2 |   148 |    99 ||   249
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |     2 |    19 |     6 ||    27
       Animate Dead      |       |       |       |       |       |    75 |    63 ||   138
       Ignite Poison     |       |       |       |       |       |   107 |   136 ||   243
       Iron Shot         |       |       |       |       |       |       |    85 ||    85
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |       |       |     4 ||     4
Invok: Receive Corpses   |       |       |     1 |     2 |     1 |     5 |     2 ||    11
       Torment           |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Abil: Evoke Invisibilit |       |       |       |       |     2 |     1 |       ||     3
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |     3 |     3 |    18 |    22 ||    48
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
       Box of beasts     |       |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 |    11 |    20 |    12 |    16 |     6 ||    75
       Potion            |       |     1 |     6 |     6 |       |     5 |     3 ||    21
 Stab: Sleeping          |     7 |     2 |     1 |     1 |    12 |     7 |     8 ||    38
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     2 |    18 |     9 |     7 ||    36
       Confused          |       |       |       |     2 |    10 |     2 |       ||    14
       Petrifying        |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Petrified         |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |    12 |    20 |    36 |    61 |   125 |   110 |    85 ||   449
       Beef jerky        |       |       |     1 |     1 |       |       |       ||     2
       Meat ration       |       |       |     1 |       |     2 |     4 |     2 ||     9
Armor: Robe              |    27 |    50 |   102 |    10 |       |       |       ||   189
       Steam dragon armo |       |       |       |   390 |   731 |   895 |   428 ||  2444
       Leather armour    |       |       |       |    14 |       |       |       ||    14
Dodge: Dodged            |    98 |   117 |   311 |   851 |  1917 |  1934 |  1105 ||  6333
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    22 |   408 |  1123 |   979 |   629 ||  3161
       Reflection        |       |       |       |     6 |    33 |    44 |    49 ||   132



Two runes, made it into the lair - Saving up for a book of frost and then learning haste, next. Still, I only got this far due to good item drops and some *incredible* shops. (Got an unidentified acquirement scroll for 24 gold, ferinstance) Still don't see how ghoul casters are good, compared to... say... mummies or formicids or octopodes - All of which I've won with fairly easily.

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 23:15

Re: Ghoul Casters

Reptisaurus wrote:(Got an unidentified acquirement scroll

If you still have it, try to get a weapon that does not suck.

Reptisaurus wrote:Still don't see how ghoul casters are good, compared to... say... mummies or formicids or octopodes - All of which I've won with fairly easily.

I hope you are joking. Mummies and formicids and octopodes are the 3 worst species, ghouls are infinitely stronger.
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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 23:26

Re: Ghoul Casters

Magipi wrote:
Reptisaurus wrote:(Got an unidentified acquirement scroll

If you still have it, try to get a weapon that does not suck.


Found another one... Glowing hunting sling.

Although so far my sword-of-being-good-at-spellcasting seems to be working.

Reptisaurus wrote:Still don't see how ghoul casters are good, compared to... say... mummies or formicids or octopodes - All of which I've won with fairly easily.

I hope you are joking. Mummies and formicids and octopodes are the 3 worst species, ghouls are infinitely stronger.[/quote]

I don't see it, at least if you're playing caster. I'd trade worse aptitudes and rfire- for one extra magic point a level and a bunch of intelligence in a heartbeat. It took me a dozen or so tries to win as a Mummy AE, but it always felt easier than ghoul earth elementalist, at every stage of the game.

The only reason my current character is still alive is because item drops were really, really good (Including my weapon!)

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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 23:27

Re: Ghoul Casters

You may not want to hear this, but, have you considered going air elementalist instead? It gives you some decent crowd-control tools, and two of the best utility spells in the early game, and is wonderfully suited to hybrid characters. I know the ghoul's (relatively) high aptitude with Earth is appealing, but honestly, other than that the species' playstyle really doesn't match the spell school. Earth Magic is inefficient but reliable single-target damage, and is best suited for pure mages who can make it really hurt - most of its spells are only really worth casting if you have a high power (and MP) for the level you're on. It really just doesn't work well with a hybrid build, except for maybe sandblast (though that'll make swapping stones in and out a pain) and passwall. Even petrify tends to be bad for hybrid characters, since it's a save-or-suck.

Otherwise, you should probably be putting crazy amount of xp into earth magic (spellcasting too, probably), and you'll need a god like Chei or Ash to beef up the spellcasting.

(Oh, and if you're okay with changing classes but don't want to go Air, Ice magic is pretty great too - Ozocubu's is crazy good for melee casters).
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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 23:32

Re: Ghoul Casters

Reptisaurus wrote:I don't see it, at least if you're playing caster. I'd trade worse aptitudes and rfire- for one extra magic point a level and a bunch of intelligence in a heartbeat. It took me a dozen or so tries to win as a Mummy AE, but it always felt easier than ghoul earth elementalist, at every stage of the game.

Mummies are bad because they can't quaff. Formicids are bad (not as bad as Mu though) because of stasis. Octopodes are bad because of low AC and no fast speed or big HP to cover for it.
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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 23:39

Re: Ghoul Casters

It is already a weird conduct to pair the species with the background of the same letter. If you add another weird self-challenge (try to play a ghoul as a "pure caster") then yeah, that will suck. It has nothing to with the real power level of ghouls.
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Post Friday, 15th July 2016, 23:40

Re: Ghoul Casters

Yeah, but I've won with all of them without much trouble and I'm not a good player. Formicids especially seem far better than given credit for. I grant you that ghouls might be decent fighter because of all their hit points and good fighting skill, but that -1 magic a level means I'm carrying around a frickin' + 3 long sword in vaults just to bump my mana up.

My alphabet challenge gives 24 race/class combinations (no felids or octopodes) and Ghoul EE seems harder than 22 of them.

(For the record, I won first try with Hill Orc assassin, naga skald, spriggan berserker, demiGod fire elementalist and died with 9 runes as a merfolk warper. So those are the easiest.
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Post Saturday, 16th July 2016, 20:56

Re: Ghoul Casters

I won, but only because of great luck with items early on. Also I ate all my food. That has never happened before. Probably shoulda laid off Crystal Spear towards the end there. :)

I didn't think it would be that bad because Ghouls have decent magic aptitudes (including a + 1 in earth) but I'm thinking they are the single worst race for casters.

And Earth Elementalists are just not that great any more.

Sandblast - awesome.
Passwall - Used it a couple times, the monsters get a free hit on you and then they find you in three or four turns because you are just on the other side of the wall. Basically useless.
Stone Arrow - Just fine, but overshadowed by sandblast. I used it a lot for mop-up in this game, but it was never my primary offense.
Petrify - I was thinking it might be bad compared to the enchanter spells, but decided it's actually just Godawful on it's own. The *only* time it was useful was fast lair enemies, and even then it wasn't worth the effort.
Lee's Rapid Deconstruction - Really good. (Just not at low spell-power.)

That's 2 and a half good spells out of 5. Only arcane marksman has a worse spellset, and at least they start with a bow.

I totally get the arguments for removing stoneskin, but I'd like poor EEs to get some kind of decent level 2 buff spell.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file.

1334608 GiggleTrain the Metallomancer (level 27, 189/232 (235) HPs)
             Began as a Ghoul Earth Elementalist on July 13, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Kikubaaqudgha.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes on July 16, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 08:50:40 (159688 turns).

GiggleTrain the Metallomancer (GhEE)              Turns: 159688, Time: 08:50:40

HP:   189/232 (235) AC: 22    Str: 17      XL:     27
MP:   55/55         EV: 29    Int: 25 (26) God:    Kikubaaqudgha [******]
Gold: 2863          SH:  9    Dex: 19      Spells: 16 memorised, 0 levels left

rFire  + + .      SeeInvis .    b - +9 quick blade (pain)
rCold  + + .      Gourm    .    X - +5 steam dragon armour
rNeg   + + +      Faith    .    s - +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
rPois  8          Spirit   .    C - +2 hat of Defence {rF+ Int+5}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    c - +2 cloak
rCorr  .          Reflect  +    K - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
SustAt .          Harm     .    A - +2 pair of boots
MR     ++...                    f - amulet of Edwuel {RegenMP Dex+4}
Stlth  +.........               h - ring of protection from fire
                                P - ring of the Lizard {rElec rC+ MP+9 Int+6}

@: contaminated, rotting, glowing, very resistant to hostile enchantments, very
unstealthy
A: rotting body, claws 1, carnivore 3, cold resistance 1, negative energy
resistance 3, slow regeneration 1, torment resistance, unbreathing
a: Receive Corpses, Torment, Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, silver, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped Kikubaaqudgha.
Kikubaaqudgha was exalted by your worship.
You were hungry.

You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 55 of its levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave.

You collected 9402 gold pieces.
You spent 6539 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - the +3 falchion "Lacertilianslayer" {slice, MP+9 Int+5}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 b - a +9 quick blade of pain (weapon)
 D - the +1 scimitar of Sloth {antimagic, rF++ rN+}
   (You took it off an orc wizard on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and certain
   magical creatures (including the wielder).
   
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
Missiles
 V - 12 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 c - a +2 cloak (worn)
 s - the +3 warlock's mirror (worn) {reflect}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 A - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 C - the +2 hat of Defence (worn) {rF+ Int+5}
   (You acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from fire.
 K - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
 X - a +5 steam dragon armour (worn)
Jewellery
 f - the amulet of Edwuel (around neck) {RegenMP Dex+4}
   (You took it off a deep elf death mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of magic regeneration]
   
   It increases your magic regeneration.
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
 h - a ring of protection from fire (right hand)
 m - a +5 ring of protection
 v - the ring of Dirull {rF- rC+ MP+9 Slay+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of slaying]
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
   It lets you see invisible.
 P - the ring of the Lizard (left hand) {rElec rC+ MP+9 Int+6}
   (You took it off a deep elf death mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+6).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 Q - the ring of the Eleven Wonders {+Inv MR+ Dex+6 Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+6).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Wands
 r - a wand of enslavement (13/24)
 u - a wand of digging (1/24)
 w - a wand of teleportation (2/9)
 y - a wand of teleportation (6/9)
 B - a wand of acid (4/15)
 I - a wand of heal wounds (3/9)
 L - a wand of disintegration (9/24)
 M - a wand of acid (4/15)
 N - a wand of paralysis (6/24)
 O - a wand of lightning (5/15)
 W - a wand of iceblast (6/15)
Scrolls
 i - 4 scrolls of fear
 l - 4 scrolls of torment
 n - 10 scrolls of recharging
 p - 3 scrolls of blinking
 F - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
 H - 8 scrolls of fog
 T - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 e - 16 potions of curing
 j - 6 potions of flight
 q - 3 potions of agility
 x - 4 potions of heal wounds
 z - 5 potions of invisibility
 G - 2 potions of haste
 S - a potion of might
 U - a potion of magic
Miscellaneous
 t - a sack of spiders {used: 2}
 J - a sack of spiders
 R - a lamp of fire (inert)
 Y - a box of beasts {used: 5}
 Z - a phial of floods (inert)


   Skills:
 + Level 17.0 Fighting
 - Level 4.8(8.7) Short Blades
 - Level 11.1(11.5) Long Blades
 - Level 5.2 Armour
 + Level 19.0 Dodging
 - Level 2.2 Stealth
 - Level 4.0 Shields
 - Level 20.1 Spellcasting
 - Level 15.2 Conjurations
 - Level 9.0 Charms
 - Level 0.6 Summonings
 - Level 12.5 Necromancy
 - Level 1.1 Translocations
 - Level 3.2 Transmutations
 - Level 8.0 Fire Magic
 - Level 1.1 Air Magic
 - Level 26.0 Earth Magic
 - Level 5.6 Poison Magic
 * Level 14.8 Evocations


You couldn't memorise any spells.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Lehudib's Crystal Sp  Conj/Erth      #######...   3%          8    ######.
b - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          1%          4    None
c - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       0%          3    None
d - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ########..   0%          5    None
e - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          0%          1    None
f - Shatter               Erth           ########..   8%          9    #######
h - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  ######..     1%          3    None
i - Ignite Poison         Fire/Trmt/Pois ######..     1%          3    None
j - Agony                 Necr           ######..     1%          5    None
k - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ####....     1%          1    None
l - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
m - Olgreb's Toxic Radia  Pois           ######..     1%          4    None
n - Vampiric Draining     Necr           ######....   1%          3    None
o - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ######....   2%          6    ##.....
p - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       #####...     1%          3    None
q - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     8%          6    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:7            Lair (8/8) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:4       Spider (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:12            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:14
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3       Tomb (1/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
    Zot (5/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Dithmenos
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Ru
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:7 }=:   D:9 **?   Orc:2 }=:%[   Elf:2 ?:[??   Vaults:1 }**}   Vaults:3 :   Vaults:4 ?   Depths:3 ?

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:2 Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:1

Annotations:
D:3 exclusion: downstairs
D:4 not done, exclusion: downstairs
D:5 exclusion: upstairs, PooperTPants's ghost, amateur OgAK
Lair:1 fly rfire, exclusion: 2 downstairs
Lair:3 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:4 dig dis fly
Lair:5 exclusion: downstairs
Lair:7 exclusions: downstairs and skeleton
Spider:3 exclusion: downstairs
Elf:2 5 runed doors
Vaults:3 exclusion: 2 downstairs
Vaults:5 TodayWasGoingtoBeMyDay's ghost, veteran TrSu
Depths:4 1 runed door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body is rotting away.
You thrive on raw meat.
You are immune to poison.
You have sharp fingernails.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
Your flesh is cold resistant.
You are immune to negative energy.
You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible.
You are immune to unholy pain and torment.
You can survive without breathing.


Message History

The arrow completely misses the infernal chaos champion.
The gelid blood saint conjures a destructive force in the name of its god!
The crystal spear misses you.
The infernal chaos champion unwields an uncursed longbow.
The infernal chaos champion wields an uncursed enchanted long sword.
The infernal chaos champion misses you.
The gelid blood saint conjures a destructive force in the name of its god!
The orb of electricity explodes! The orb of electricity engulfs you! You resist.
The orb of electricity engulfs the gelid blood saint.
The orb of electricity engulfs the infernal chaos champion.
You see here a club.
Unknown command.
The infernal chaos champion mumbles some strange prayers to its god against you.
The bolt of poison misses you. The gelid blood saint misses you.
The infernal chaos champion completely misses you.
There is a dry fountain here.
The infernal chaos champion calls on the powers of chaos!
The gelid blood saint suddenly seems more agile.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
You have escaped!

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You could see an infernal chaos champion and a gelid blood saint.

Vanquished Creatures
  Mennas (Vaults:4)
  7 ancient liches
  3 orbs of fire (Zot:5)
  3 juggernauts
  A greater mummy (Tomb:1)
  A shard shrike (Zot:1)
  Saint Roka (Crypt:2)
  4 Killer Klowns (Zot:5)
  4 curse toes
  Norris (Spider:4)
  7 golden dragons
  2 bone dragons
  3 electric golems (Zot:5)
  A Hell Sentinel (D:10)
  A hellephant (Zot:1)
  9 tentacled monstrosities
  7 liches
  21 Orb Guardians (Zot:5)
  4 titans
  A titan (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  2 deep elf blademasters (Elf:3)
  2 quicksilver dragons
  2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3)
  8 death cobs
  10 sphinxes
  5 ancient champions
  5 draconian monks
  14 storm dragons
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:4)
  13 tengu reavers
  2 revenants
  11 shadow dragons
  Roxanne (Shoals:1)
  14 fire giants
  5 draconian scorchers
  5 iron dragons
  8 frost giants
  An orc warlord (Orc:1)
  2 balrugs (Depths:4)
  8 emperor scorpions
  4 deep elf sorcerers
  2 curse skulls
  2 draconian shifters (Zot:4)
  5 deep elf elementalists (Elf:3)
  23 vault wardens
  7 spriggan defenders
  4 ghost moths
  4 draconian zealots
  34 very ugly things
  7 ghouls
  3 draconian annihilators
  3 draconian callers
  A stone giant (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  5 war gargoyles
  32 stone giants
  17 ironheart preservers
  2 bennus (Tomb:1)
  4 salamander stormcallers
  4 black draconians
  9 green draconians
  17 white draconians
  6 vampire knights
  9 spark wasps
  8 red draconians
  11 deep elf demonologists
  Azrael (Orc:1)
  14 deep elf annihilators
  8 yellow draconians
  13 ettins
  7 mottled draconians
  3 merfolk javelineers (Shoals:4)
  8 purple draconians
  A minotaur (Lab)
  4 eidola
  4 blizzard demons
  7 merfolk impalers
  A crystal guardian (Vaults:4)
  10 deep elf death magi
  11 jiangshi
  A mummy priest (Tomb:1)
  33 fire dragons
  14 great orbs of eyes
  42 vault guards
  15 yaktaur captains
  A quicksilver dragon zombie (Crypt:3)
  10 deep elf high priests
  12 entropy weavers
  17 ice dragons
  A ghost crab (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  8 hydras
  6 rakshasas
  9 spriggan air magi
  2 alligator snapping turtles
  11 centaur warriors
  16 ogre magi
  8 death knights
  A death yak (Lair:7)
  5 merfolk avatars
  A satyr (Shoals:4)
  13 dancing weapons
  4 merfolk aquamancers
  8 deep troll earth magi
  9 vampire magi
  15 deep troll shamans
  A shock serpent (Elf:1)
  Urug (D:14)
  4 tengu warriors
  A queen ant (Lair:1)
  5 orc high priests (Orc:2)
  A shock serpent (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  17 deep elf knights
  3 soul eaters
  2 sun demons (Depths:4)
  6 spriggan berserkers
  Nergalle (D:10)
  4 iron trolls
  14 sea snakes
  2 shadow wraiths
  3 fire crabs
  42 hell knights
  39 skeletal warriors
  2 death scarabs (Tomb:1)
  A golden dragon zombie (Depths:4)
  A storm dragon skeleton (Crypt:3)
  An anaconda zombie (Crypt:3)
  45 deep trolls
  A death drake (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  An orange crystal statue (Depths:1)
  A gelid demonspawn (Depths:2)
  A shadow demon (Depths:2)
  5 giant orange brains
  5 unseen horrors
  7 hill giants
  9 necromancers
  7 phantasmal warriors
  A tengu zombie (Vaults:5)
  A hill giant (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  11 deep elf archers
  8 flayed ghosts
  A shadow dragon zombie (Crypt:2)
  An iron dragon zombie (Crypt:2)
  26 orc knights
  20 harpies
  20 ironbrand convokers
  43 ugly things
  35 wolf spiders
  2 mana vipers (shapeshifter)
  11 griffons
  4 fauns
  A wolf spider (shapeshifter) (Elf:2)
  4 orc sorcerers
  49 deep elf magi
  A stone giant zombie (Crypt:3)
  13 cyclopes
  11 manticores
  15 orb spiders
  4 hornets
  A shining eye (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  3 fire giant skeletons
  3 fire giant zombies
  A frost giant zombie (Crypt:1)
  10 sirens
  The ghost of HeadOff the Basher, a novice OgAK of Lugonu (D:4)
  A cyclops (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  A shadow dragon skeleton (Crypt:3)
  A stone giant skeleton (Crypt:1)
  An elephant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  6 black mambas
  5 elephants
  An ice statue (IceCv)
  30 moths of wrath
  A dire elephant zombie (Crypt:2)
  3 molten gargoyles (D:10)
  5 water nymphs
  A guardian serpent (Depths:3)
  3 frost giant skeletons
  5 smoke demons (Crypt:3)
  2 black mambas (shapeshifter)
  8 gargoyles
  3 orange demons
  A torpor snail (Spider:4)
  23 vault sentinels
  12 spiny frogs
  A storm dragon simulacrum (Depths:4)
  43 yaktaurs
  A hellion (Depths:5)
  3 rime drakes (shapeshifter)
  9 komodo dragons
  4 hellwings
  An iron troll zombie (Crypt:1)
  3 anaconda simulacra (IceCv)
  6 kobold demonologists
  6 ice devils (IceCv)
  3 rime drakes
  An efreet (D:14)
  3 hydra zombies
  8 demonic crawlers
  3 yaktaurs (shapeshifter)
  13 freezing wraiths
  28 merfolk
  3 tengu conjurers
  10 polar bears
  4 guardian mummies (Tomb:1)
  A harpy zombie (Crypt:1)
  4 red devils
  2 golden dragon simulacra (IceCv)
  16 trolls
  35 jumping spiders
  6 wind drakes
  A troll (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  6 boulder beetles
  2 raiju (Elf:1)
  20 slime creatures
  A hydra skeleton (Crypt:3)
  An ettin zombie (Crypt:1)
  A snapping turtle (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  30 two-headed ogres
  6 blink frogs
  A bog body (Crypt:2)
  An ice dragon zombie (Crypt:3)
  2 ushabtiu (Tomb:1)
  A raiju (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  Prince Ribbit (D:8)
  13 snapping turtles
  90 redbacks
  A human simulacrum (Vaults:3)
  15 flying skulls
  A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Depths:5)
  A dire elephant simulacrum (Crypt:2)
  An elf simulacrum (Vaults:5)
  7 shadows
  2 black mamba zombies (Crypt:1)
  35 tarantellas
  13 wraiths
  7 wyverns
  A satyr skeleton (Crypt:1)
  A black mamba skeleton (Crypt:3)
  24 water elementals
  11 air elementals
  4 fire elementals
  2 redbacks (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  21 spriggans
  2 humans (Depths:4)
  2 vampires (Crypt:3)
  34 yaks
  9 basilisks
  6 hungry ghosts
  A chaos spawn (Depths:2)
  A hippogriff (shapeshifter) (Elf:2)
  3 steam dragons
  2 iron troll simulacra (IceCv)
  2 neqoxecs
  26 vampire mosquitoes
  11 hippogriffs
  4 harpy simulacra (IceCv)
  A mottled dragon (Lair:5)
  A warg (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  9 wargs
  12 soldier ants
  A large abomination (D:11)
  16 water moccasins
  5 hydra simulacra
  A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  Duvessa (D:4)
  2 hell hounds (Orc:1)
  A spiny frog zombie (Crypt:3)
  A monstrous demonspawn skeleton (Crypt:1)
  14 porcupines
  55 orc warriors
  5 ice beasts
  An eye of draining (D:11)
  4 ettin simulacra (IceCv)
  An elephant zombie (Crypt:1)
  A swamp dragon zombie (Crypt:2)
  2 phantoms
  9 sky beasts
  A wasp (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  18 wasps
  An alligator simulacrum (IceCv)
  6 black bears (Lair:8)
  A manticore zombie (Crypt:1)
  7 necrophages
  78 ogres
  11 boggarts
  35 wolves
  15 centaurs
  A snapping turtle skeleton (Crypt:3)
  12 crocodiles
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  A big kobold (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  5 big kobolds
  33 giant frogs
  A wyvern zombie (D:12)
  5 earth elementals
  Dowan (D:4)
  A hell hound skeleton (Crypt:2)
  A water moccasin zombie (D:8)
  4 scorpions
  14 wights
  6 killer bees
  A swamp dragon simulacrum (Crypt:1)
  4 electric eels
  A spriggan skeleton (Crypt:2)
  A giant frog zombie (D:10)
  2 howler monkeys
  A wasp zombie (D:6)
  5 centaur zombies
  7 crimson imps
  A draconian simulacrum (IceCv)
  7 hounds
  3 jellies
  8 centaur skeletons
  A gnoll shaman (Orc:1)
  50 orc priests
  12 human skeletons (Vaults:4)
  A two-headed ogre skeleton (Crypt:1)
  5 iguanas
  23 orc wizards
  2 hell rats (Lair:2)
  2 lightning spires (Elf:1)
  A spriggan simulacrum (IceCv)
  24 worker ants
  9 troll simulacra (IceCv)
  16 sheep
  2 wolf simulacra (IceCv)
  A killer bee zombie (D:8)
  A dwarf skeleton (Crypt:2)
  3 hound skeletons
  3 mummies (Tomb:1)
  A worker ant zombie (D:11)
  15 adders
  9 gnolls
  A howler monkey skeleton (D:8)
  3 ogre simulacra (IceCv)
  48 river rats
  3 naga simulacra (IceCv)
  2 shadow imps (D:15)
  7 white imps
  6 ufetubi
  An ooze (D:1)
  A lava snake zombie (Crypt:2)
  3 adder skeletons
  A worm (D:4)
  3 dart slugs (D:1)
  7 giant geckos
  123 orcs
  2 ball pythons
  10 bats
  4 giant cockroaches
  7 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  13 jackals
  7 quokkas
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:5)
  7 giant newts
  28 kobolds
  An orc zombie (Crypt:3)
  14 rats
  A fire vortex (Vaults:3)
  4 lost souls
  A plant (Lair:5)
  3 tentacles (Shoals:1)
3014 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An ancient lich (Crypt:3)
  2 juggernauts
  A Killer Klown (Zot:4)
  A caustic shrike (Depths:2)
  the Enchantress (D:15)
  A tentacled monstrosity (Depths:5)
  A death cob (Zot:5)
  A storm dragon (Zot:5)
  A sphinx (Vaults:5)
  A tengu reaver (Depths:2)
  2 fire giants
  An emperor scorpion (Spider:2)
  A ghost moth (Zot:4)
  A vault warden (Vaults:4)
  A draconian annihilator (Zot:2)
  5 ironheart preservers
  3 very ugly things (Depths:4)
  4 stone giants
  A red draconian (Zot:4)
  A deep elf annihilator (Elf:3)
  A black draconian (Zot:4)
  A mottled draconian (Zot:2)
  A vault guard (Vaults:4)
  A blizzard demon (Depths:4)
  2 deep elf death magi
  A merfolk impaler (Shoals:4)
  Josephine (Lair:5)
  A deep elf high priest (Vaults:5)
  A great orb of eyes (Depths:2)
  3 yaktaur captains
  An entropy weaver (Depths:5)
  6 fire dragons
  An ice dragon (Depths:1)
  A hydra (Lair:6)
  A spriggan air mage (D:15)
  2 centaur warriors
  2 alligator snapping turtles (Shoals:4)
  A tengu warrior (Depths:2)
  An ogre mage (Depths:3)
  A hell knight (Depths:3)
  3 deep elf knights
  A spriggan berserker (Depths:4)
  An iron troll (Depths:3)
  3 death scarabs (Tomb:1)
  A flayed ghost (Vaults:2)
  A sea snake (Shoals:3)
  5 deep trolls
  4 harpies
  3 orb spiders
  A swamp dragon (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  A manticore (Shoals:4)
  9 wolf spiders
  2 deep elf magi (Vaults:3)
  4 griffons
  5 fauns
  9 elephants
  A fire giant skeleton (Depths:2)
  7 ugly things
  2 cyclopes
  A moth of wrath (Spider:1)
  A water nymph (Shoals:2)
  4 sirens
  A black mamba (Lair:8)
  A molten gargoyle (D:10)
  A torpor snail (Spider:1)
  3 demonic crawlers
  3 yaktaurs
  3 komodo dragons
  3 polar bears
  2 two-headed ogres
  7 jumping spiders
  4 merfolk
  A troll (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A wind drake (Shoals:4)
  A two-headed ogre (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
  A boulder beetle (Vaults:2)
  2 blink frogs (Lair:2)
  2 slime creatures (D:12)
  7 snapping turtles
  An ettin zombie (Vaults:5)
  15 redbacks
  2 flying skulls (Tomb:1)
  4 tarantellas
  A water elemental (Shoals:4)
  2 air elementals (Depths:3)
  4 spriggans (Lair:8)
  A human (Depths:4)
  2 wraiths (Lair:5)
  7 yaks
  2 hippogriffs
  3 vampire mosquitoes
  A soldier ant (Lair:1)
  3 mottled dragons
  4 water moccasins
  2 wasps
  4 porcupines
  3 black bears
  5 wolves
  4 ogres
  3 centaurs
  4 crocodiles
  3 giant frogs
  A giant frog zombie (D:10)
  A centaur zombie (D:10)
  An orc priest (D:14)
  An iguana (Lair:4)
  A hell rat (Lair:2)
  2 worker ants (Lair:2)
  6 sheep
  A worker ant zombie (D:10)
  35 river rats
  5 orcs
  6 fungi
  A plant (Lair:5)
314 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  Nikola (Spider:2)
  A revenant (Tomb:1)
  A vault warden (Vaults:5)
  3 deep elf elementalists
  A draconian shifter (Zot:5)
  A salamander stormcaller (Vaults:1)
  5 merfolk javelineers
  A merfolk aquamancer (Shoals:4)
  A deep troll shaman (Vaults:4)
  An ogre mage (Vaults:1)
  A satyr (Shoals:3)
  A deep troll (Vaults:4)
  An ironbrand convoker (Vaults:3)
  3 yaktaurs
  2 jumping spiders
  A two-headed ogre (Vaults:2)
  2 humans (Depths:4)
  A vampire mosquito (Vaults:2)
  A hydra simulacrum (Zot:1)
  A centaur (Shoals:4)
  A giant frog zombie (D:12)
  An orc wizard (D:8)
  2 ball lightnings (Elf:1)
  4 orcs
  39 fungi
  7 lost souls
  38 plants
  23 tentacles
  1234 tentacle segments
  8 withered plants (Crypt:3)
1387 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 4715 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | GiggleTrain the Ghoul Earth Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 2/2
    86 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/20 MP: 0/4
   152 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Passwall
  1019 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/27 MP: 5/5
  1024 | D:1      | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
  1212 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  2497 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic
  2705 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/35 MP: 6/6
  3575 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/41 MP: 7/7
  3696 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
  3988 | D:4      | Noticed Dowan
  4356 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  4375 | D:4      | Noticed Duvessa
  4498 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 44/48 MP: 9/9
  4567 | D:4      | Noticed HeadOff's ghost (novice OgAK)
  4648 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4728 | D:4      | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
  4803 | D:5      | Noticed PooperTPants's ghost (amateur OgAK)
  4833 | D:5      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  5158 | D:4      | Noticed Edmund
  5511 | D:4      | Killed Duvessa
  5511 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic
  5511 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/53 MP: 0/10
  5646 | D:4      | Killed Dowan
  6197 | D:4      | Killed Blork the orc
  6197 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic
  6361 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  6363 | D:5      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  6365 | D:5      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  6366 | D:5      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  6375 | D:5      | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha
  6796 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic
  6796 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 61/61 MP: 7/11
  6973 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic
  7420 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  7640 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7741 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 64/71 MP: 0/12
  8690 | D:7      | Found Vuikiudgh's Gadget Emporium.
  8695 | D:7      | Found Fiantocs's Jewellery Shop.
  8762 | D:6      | Reached * piety under Kikubaaqudgha
  8762 | D:6      | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha
  8773 | D:6      | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Disquisition on Black Magic (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  8782 | D:6      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
  8785 | D:6      | Learned a level 2 spell: Corpse Rot
  8966 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  8982 | D:7      | Found Peed's Book Shop.
  9007 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 10421 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
 10523 | D:6      | Got an encrusted scimitar {antimagic}
 10524 | D:6      | Identified the cursed +1 scimitar of Sloth {antimagic, rF++ rN+} (You took it off an orc wizard on level 6 of the Dungeon)
 11550 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 11708 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
 12320 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 31/80 MP: 4/14
 12325 | D:8      | HP: 3/80 [centaur (10)]
 12429 | D:8      | Reached ** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 12490 | D:8      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
 12564 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
 12660 | D:8      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 12684 | D:8      | Killed Prince Ribbit
 13739 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 14214 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 14772 | D:8      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
 14974 | D:9      | Found Usuunn's General Store.
 15012 | D:9      | Found Ocikonyb's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of recharging for 123 gold pieces
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 97 gold pieces
 15016 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 15153 | D:9      | Found Qararodd's Assorted Antiques.
 15175 | D:9      | Bought a scroll labeled WOWACR DIXI for 27 gold pieces
 15175 | D:9      | Bought a scroll of identify for 54 gold pieces
 15178 | D:9      | Got a pitted hat
 15184 | D:9      | Identified the +2 hat of Defence {rF+ Int+5} (You acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 15673 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
 15776 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades
 16051 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 16938 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 79/87 MP: 19/19
 17346 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
 17970 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades
 18285 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 18315 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
 19218 | Lair:2   | Noticed a queen ant
 19469 | Lair:1   | Killed a queen ant
 20153 | Lair:1   | Reached *** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 20153 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha
 20163 | Lair:1   | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Catalogue of Evil Rites (Kikubaaqudgha gifted it to you on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 20317 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
 20820 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 21428 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 85/94 MP: 21/23
 21536 | Lair:2   | Reached **** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 22082 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 5 spell: Agony
 22659 | Lair:3   | Got an iridescent falchion
 22660 | Lair:3   | Identified the +3 falchion "Lacertilianslayer" {slice, MP+9 Int+5} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 22697 | Lair:3   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 24604 | Lair:3   | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 25295 | Lair:4   | Noticed an ice dragon
 25311 | Lair:4   | Killed an ice dragon
 25511 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 25997 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
 26418 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 26533 | Lair:5   | Noticed Josephine
 26746 | Lair:5   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 27287 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 105/105 MP: 25/25
 27723 | Lair:5   | Reached ***** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 28741 | Lair:5   | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
 28991 | Lair:5   | Killed Josephine
 29438 | Lair:6   | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 29448 | Lab      | Entered a labyrinth
 29691 | Lab      | Noticed a minotaur
 29700 | Lab      | Killed a minotaur
 29761 | Lab      | Got a crude whip
 29762 | Lab      | Identified the +9 whip of Painful Death {slash, rPois rF+} (You found it in a labyrinth)
 32123 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 33196 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 84/116 MP: 26/26
 33845 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 34049 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Long Blades
 34268 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy
 34365 | Lair:8   | Reached ****** piety under Kikubaaqudgha
 36929 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 37185 | D:7      | Bought the ring of the Eleven Wonders {+Inv MR+ Dex+6 Stlth+} for 707 gold pieces
 37554 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 37867 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 38639 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 39036 | D:10     | Noticed Nergalle
 39653 | D:10     | Killed Nergalle
 39653 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 39858 | D:10     | Identified the Incunabulum of Lightness (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
 40333 | D:7      | Bought a wand of heal wounds (1/9) for 390 gold pieces
 41533 | D:12     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 99/126 MP: 25/27
 41591 | D:12     | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 41695 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 42343 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 42649 | Orc:1    | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 43055 | Orc:2    | Entered Level 2 of the Orcish Mines
 43231 | Orc:2    | Found Ket Rufifu's Quality Used Wands.
 43338 | Orc:2    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 43598 | Orc:2    | Noticed Azrael
 44033 | Orc:1    | Killed Azrael
 44286 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 46649 | Orc:2    | Learned a level 4 spell: Olgreb's Toxic Radiance
 46736 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
 46893 | Orc:2    | Found Geigyiq's Book Boutique.
 46896 | Orc:2    | Found Taocekem's Food Shop.
 46897 | Orc:2    | Found Huap Cil's Jewellery Boutique.
 46898 | Orc:2    | Found Nishemud's Armour Boutique.
 46909 | Orc:2    | Bought a +5 ring of evasion for 825 gold pieces
 48513 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Poison Magic
 48617 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 49636 | D:14     | Noticed Urug
 49646 | D:14     | Killed Urug
 49787 | D:14     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 134/134 MP: 28/30
 50093 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 50624 | D:10     | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
 51683 | D:15     | Got a bloodstained battleaxe
 51894 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 53369 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 54643 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
 54904 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 11 in Earth Magic
 55373 | Spider:2 | Noticed Nikola
 55384 | Spider:2 | Killed Nikola
 55724 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Earth Magic
 57993 | Spider:3 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 124/146 MP: 15/31
 58995 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 59774 | Spider:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Ignite Poison
 59790 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 60240 | Spider:4 | Noticed Norris
 60485 | Spider:4 | Paralysed by Norris for 2 turns
 60507 | Spider:4 | Killed Norris
 64234 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
 64636 | Spider:4 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 64926 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 151/160 MP: 33/33
 65786 | Shoals:1 | Noticed Roxanne
 65796 | Shoals:1 | Killed Roxanne
 67015 | Shoals:1 | Identified Roxanne's Handbook of Clay (You took it off Roxanne on level 1 of the Shoals)
 67213 | Shoals:1 | Got a translucent rapier
 70063 | D:7      | Bought a book of the Earth for 715 gold pieces
 71105 | Shoals:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Shoals
 71552 | Shoals:4 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 72503 | Shoals:3 | Learned a level 6 spell: Iron Shot
 72767 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 146/167 MP: 27/36
 73429 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
 73756 | Shoals:4 | Got a heavily runed helmet
 73762 | Shoals:4 | Identified the +1 helmet of Daffodils {rPois Regen+ MP+9} (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)
 74466 | Shoals:4 | Killed Ilsuiw
 74780 | Shoals:4 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 75944 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 75973 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 13 in Earth Magic
 76674 | Vaults:1 | Found Teajezib's Gadget Boutique.
 76773 | Vaults:1 | Found Muameuvy's Gadget Shoppe.
 78236 | Vaults:1 | Found Bejuem's General Store.
 78357 | Vaults:1 | Found Noegrar's General Store.
 79036 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 79749 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 170/172 MP: 38/38
 81305 | D:7      | Bought a box of beasts for 260 gold pieces
 82559 | Shoals:1 | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 83486 | Vaults:2 | Got a bound pewter ring
 83488 | Vaults:2 | Identified the ring of Dirull {rF- rC+ MP+9 Slay+2 SInv} (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)
 84437 | D:7      | Bought the amulet of the Four Winds {rN+ MR+++ Clar} for 388 gold pieces
 85300 | Vaults:3 | Found Icuvon's Book Shop.
 86050 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 86116 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 86438 | Vaults:3 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 158/179 MP: 27/40
 87957 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 88472 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Mennas
 89692 | Crypt:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt
 94153 | Crypt:2  | Reached XP level 22. HP: 189/189 MP: 25/41
 94154 | Crypt:2  | Noticed Saint Roka
 94545 | Crypt:2  | Killed Saint Roka
 97063 | Crypt:3  | Entered Level 3 of the Crypt
 99127 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
 99719 | Orc:2    | Bought a book of Frost for 420 gold pieces
 99723 | Orc:2    | Learned a level 3 spell: Ozocubu's Armour
100007 | Depths:1 | Noticed the Enchantress
100298 | D:15     | Killed the Enchantress
100303 | D:15     | Identified a +7 quick blade of pain (a +5 quick blade bloodied by Kikubaaqudgha)
100303 | D:15     | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha
100313 | D:15     | Got a faerie dragon armour
100324 | D:15     | Identified the +1 faerie dragon armour {rCorr} (You took it off the Enchantress on level 15 of the Dungeon)
100481 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades
100686 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell.
101078 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
101116 | Depths:1 | Got a heavily runed lapis lazuli ring
101118 | Depths:1 | Identified the ring "Aroak" {rF- Int+2 Dex+10 Stlth+} (You found it on level 1 of the Depths)
101550 | Depths:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
102265 | Depths:1 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 195/195 MP: 29/44
105416 | D:7      | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste
106654 | Depths:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
108396 | Depths:2 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
108806 | Depths:3 | Noticed a golden dragon
108909 | Depths:2 | Killed a golden dragon
109137 | Depths:3 | Noticed a caustic shrike
109156 | Depths:2 | Killed a caustic shrike
109283 | Depths:3 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 136/203 MP: 28/45
110179 | Depths:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
110188 | Depths:3 | Found Xuicazen's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
110209 | Depths:3 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 54 gold pieces
110209 | Depths:3 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 54 gold pieces
110213 | Depths:3 | Noticed a juggernaut
110221 | Depths:3 | Killed a juggernaut
111536 | Depths:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
113458 | Depths:4 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
114938 | Depths:3 | Reached XP level 25. HP: 147/207 MP: 16/45
115977 | Depths:4 | Found a runed door.
115980 | Depths:4 | Found a runed door.
116234 | Depths:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
116260 | Depths:4 | Got an ichor-stained cloak
116266 | Depths:4 | Identified the +2 cloak of the Wumpus {MR++ MP+9 Str+5 Int-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Depths)
117319 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths
117887 | Orc:2    | Bought a +2 pair of gloves of strength for 301 gold pieces
117973 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
119114 | Elf:1    | Identified Biell's Disquisition on Air (You found it on level 1 of the Elven Halls)
119420 | Elf:1    | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
119472 | Elf:2    | Found Zefoysch's Magic Scroll Emporium.
119807 | Elf:2    | Bought a scroll of torment for 120 gold pieces
119810 | Elf:2    | Found Deshato's Antique Armour Shop.
119818 | Elf:2    | Bought a brightly glowing helmet for 418 gold pieces
119828 | Elf:2    | Identified the +0 helmet of Firchu {rN+ Str+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Elven Halls)
119839 | Elf:2    | Bought a runed cloak for 198 gold pieces
120549 | Elf:2    | Found Sokhlousm's Magic Scroll Shop.
120557 | Elf:2    | Bought a scroll of fog for 26 gold pieces
120557 | Elf:2    | Bought a scroll of fog for 26 gold pieces
120582 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
120582 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
120582 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
120582 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
120582 | Elf:2    | Found a huge runed gate.
120636 | Elf:2    | Found Lothrum's Book Shop.
120816 | Elf:2    | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
120866 | Elf:2    | Found Popuin's Magic Scroll Emporium.
120874 | Elf:2    | Bought a scroll of blinking for 135 gold pieces
121113 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
121405 | Elf:3    | Found a frozen archway.
121464 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
125142 | Elf:3    | Got a fine tin amulet
125602 | Elf:3    | Reached XP level 26. HP: 224/224 MP: 9/45
125675 | Elf:3    | Got a crude pewter ring
125681 | Elf:3    | Identified the ring of the Lizard {rElec rC+ MP+9 Int+6} (You took it off a deep elf death mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
125698 | Elf:3    | Identified the amulet of Edwuel {RegenMP Dex+4} (You took it off a deep elf death mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
125753 | Elf:3    | Got a twitching glass ring
125755 | Elf:3    | Identified the ring "Veps" {*Tele MR++ Dex+4} (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
126136 | Elf:3    | Identified the Guide on Ghastly Shape Shifting
126236 | Elf:2    | Bought a scroll of amnesia for 45 gold pieces
126531 | Elf:2    | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 135 gold pieces
127221 | Elf:2    | Bought a scroll of amnesia for 56 gold pieces
127475 | Depths:1 | Learned a level 8 spell: Lehudib's Crystal Spear
127907 | Depths:5 | Noticed a juggernaut
127929 | Depths:5 | Killed a juggernaut
128424 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 14 in Earth Magic
129632 | Depths:5 | Noticed a juggernaut
129644 | Depths:5 | Killed a juggernaut
130015 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Earth Magic
130989 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 16 in Earth Magic
131256 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot.
132524 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 17 in Earth Magic
134176 | Crypt:3  | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
134178 | Crypt:3  | Noticed an ancient lich
134256 | Crypt:3  | Killed an ancient lich
134291 | Crypt:3  | Reached XP level 27. HP: 228/231 MP: 36/45
134303 | Crypt:3  | Noticed an ancient lich
134424 | Crypt:3  | Killed an ancient lich
134636 | Crypt:3  | Noticed an ancient lich
134636 | Crypt:3  | Found a staircase to the Tomb.
134644 | Crypt:3  | Killed an ancient lich
134654 | Crypt:3  | Identified the Guide on Boosts (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)
135222 | Crypt:3  | Paralysed by a vampire knight for 5 turns
137309 | Vaults:4 | Found Liam's Magic Scroll Boutique.
137317 | Vaults:4 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 60 gold pieces
137641 | Vaults:4 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
137705 | Vaults:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Vaults
138817 | Tomb:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Tomb of the Ancients
138974 | Tomb:1   | Reached skill level 15 in Conjurations
139393 | Tomb:1   | Noticed a greater mummy
139483 | Tomb:1   | Killed a greater mummy
140249 | Orc:2    | Bought a meat ration for 65 gold pieces
140249 | Orc:2    | Bought a meat ration for 65 gold pieces
140249 | Orc:2    | Bought a meat ration for 65 gold pieces
140249 | Orc:2    | Bought a meat ration for 65 gold pieces
140249 | Orc:2    | Bought a meat ration for 65 gold pieces
140733 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 18 in Earth Magic
142030 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 19 in Earth Magic
142203 | Vaults:1 | Bought a wand of teleportation (7/9) for 528 gold pieces
143694 | Vaults:5 | Reached skill level 20 in Earth Magic
144645 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 21 in Earth Magic
144918 | Vaults:5 | Noticed an ancient lich
144978 | Vaults:5 | Killed an ancient lich
145370 | Vaults:5 | Noticed TodayWasGoingtoBeMyDay's ghost (veteran TrSu)
145595 | Vaults:5 | Got a silver rune of Zot
146114 | Vaults:5 | Reached skill level 22 in Earth Magic
147455 | Vaults:4 | Killed Mennas
147810 | Depths:4 | Noticed a juggernaut
147819 | Depths:4 | Killed a juggernaut
147842 | Depths:4 | Noticed a juggernaut
147857 | Depths:4 | Killed a juggernaut
148334 | Orc:1    | Learned a level 9 spell: Shatter
148810 | Zot:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot
149823 | Zot:1    | Reached skill level 23 in Earth Magic
151959 | Zot:3    | Reached skill level 24 in Earth Magic
153439 | Zot:4    | Reached skill level 25 in Earth Magic
154620 | Zot:5    | Entered Level 5 of the Realm of Zot
155448 | Zot:5    | Reached skill level 26 in Earth Magic
155581 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
155623 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
155680 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
155690 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
155861 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
155872 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
156213 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
156227 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
156229 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
156519 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
156677 | Zot:5    | Noticed an ancient lich
156683 | Zot:5    | Killed an ancient lich
157623 | Zot:5    | Noticed an orb of fire
157632 | Zot:5    | Killed an orb of fire
158808 | Zot:5    | Got the Orb of Zot
159021 | Zot:1    | Noticed Veuhasuq the pandemonium lord
159560 | D:5      | Noticed Xolet the pandemonium lord
159584 | D:4      | Killed HeadOff's ghost
159688 | D:$      | Escaped with the Orb!
             

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Spellcasting   |  2              3           6  8  9       11    12 14 15 16    18 19          20 | 20.1
Fighting       |        1  2           4  5        7  8 10    12 14                      16    17 | 17.0
Earth Magic    |        4     5  6  8  9       10             12       13                   17 26 | 26.0
Dodging        |           2  3  4     6  7        9    10    11             13          16    19 | 19.0
Necromancy     |                          3     4  5  9 10          12                            | 12.5
Shields        |                          3     4                                                 |  4.0
Conjurations   |                             3                          6  9 10             12 15 | 15.2
Fire Magic     |                             1                             5  8                   |  8.0
Long Blades    |                             3  6  7  9 10    11                                  | 11.1
Air Magic      |                                1                                                 |  1.1
Evocations     |                                         6  7                         13       14 | 14.8
Poison Magic   |                                            5                                     |  5.6
Translocations |                                               1                                  |  1.1
Armour         |                                                  3                    5          |  5.2
Transmutations |                                                  1     2  3                      |  3.2
Short Blades   |                                                                 4                |  4.8
Charms         |                                                                 1  8  9          |  9.0
Stealth        |                                                                                  |  2.2
Summonings     |                                                                                  |  0.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    37 |       |    48 |     2 |       |       |       |       |       ||    87
       Spear             |    70 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||    70
       Dagger            |    23 |   128 |   167 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||   318
       Long sword        |       |       |    28 |   687 |       |       |       |       |       ||   715
       Falchion          |       |       |       |   275 |  2243 |  1732 |  1635 |   715 |   499 ||  7099
       Quick blade       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |   839 |  4179 ||  5018
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Throw: Stone             |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     1
 Cast: Sandblast         |    13 |    38 |   168 |    73 |     2 |     5 |       |       |       ||   299
       Stone Arrow       |       |     3 |     7 |    45 |   189 |   217 |   133 |   117 |    88 ||   799
       Lee's Rapid Decon |       |       |     3 |    13 |    55 |    64 |   107 |   204 |   246 ||   692
       Animate Skeleton  |       |       |     1 |    51 |   137 |     8 |     3 |    44 |    68 ||   312
       Corpse Rot        |       |       |     1 |     8 |     6 |    10 |     2 |     2 |       ||    29
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |       |       |    19 |    19 |     2 |    11 |    18 |    37 ||   106
       Passwall          |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       |       |       ||     2
       Vampiric Draining |       |       |       |    21 |    62 |    46 |    17 |    15 |    16 ||   177
       Conjure Flame     |       |       |       |     8 |     3 |    51 |    18 |    19 |    11 ||   110
       Agony             |       |       |       |     9 |    98 |    45 |    12 |    28 |    17 ||   209
       Summon Butterflie |       |       |       |       |    19 |     6 |     1 |     1 |     3 ||    30
       Olgreb's Toxic Ra |       |       |       |       |     2 |   148 |   111 |    82 |   146 ||   489
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |     2 |    19 |    16 |    33 |    47 ||   117
       Animate Dead      |       |       |       |       |       |    75 |    69 |    23 |    26 ||   193
       Ignite Poison     |       |       |       |       |       |   107 |   151 |   122 |   241 ||   621
       Iron Shot         |       |       |       |       |       |       |   104 |   149 |   242 ||   495
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |       |       |    13 |    73 |    74 ||   160
       Ozocubu's Armour  |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    15 |    32 ||    47
       Haste             |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    13 |    61 ||    74
       Lehudib's Crystal |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |   140 ||   140
       Shatter           |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    11 ||    11
Invok: Receive Corpses   |       |       |     1 |     2 |     1 |     5 |     2 |       |     1 ||    12
       Torment           |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Brand Weapon With |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Abil: Evoke Invisibilit |       |       |       |       |     2 |     1 |       |     2 |       ||     5
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |     3 |     3 |    18 |    24 |     2 |    23 ||    75
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 |     2 |     1 ||     6
       Box of beasts     |       |       |       |       |       |       |     6 |     4 |    10 ||    20
       Phial of floods   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     4 ||     4
       Sack of spiders   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |       |    10 |    11 |    20 |    12 |    16 |     6 |     9 |    32 ||   116
       Potion            |       |     1 |     6 |     6 |       |     5 |     3 |     4 |     7 ||    32
 Stab: Sleeping          |     7 |     2 |     1 |     1 |    12 |     7 |    10 |     3 |     9 ||    52
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     2 |    18 |     9 |    10 |     2 |    12 ||    53
       Confused          |       |       |       |     2 |    10 |     2 |       |     1 |     6 ||    21
       Petrifying        |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
       Petrified         |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Invisible         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     5 |       ||     5
  Eat: Chunk             |    12 |    20 |    36 |    61 |   125 |   110 |   107 |   112 |   275 ||   858
       Beef jerky        |       |       |     1 |     1 |       |       |     3 |     3 |     1 ||     9
       Meat ration       |       |       |     1 |       |     2 |     4 |     5 |     3 |    15 ||    30
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
Armor: Robe              |    27 |    50 |   102 |    10 |       |       |       |       |       ||   189
       Steam dragon armo |       |       |       |   390 |   731 |   895 |   576 |   520 |   841 ||  3953
       Leather armour    |       |       |       |    14 |       |       |       |       |       ||    14
Dodge: Dodged            |    98 |   117 |   311 |   851 |  1917 |  1934 |  1480 |  1325 |  2785 || 10818
Block: Buckler           |       |       |    22 |   408 |  1123 |   979 |   879 |   631 |  1277 ||  5319
       Reflection        |       |       |       |     6 |    33 |    44 |    54 |    47 |   104 ||   288

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Post Saturday, 16th July 2016, 21:37

Re: Ghoul Casters

Intelligence stat matters for casting, and ghouls suffer in that department. Eventually you can get decent to good int, but it takes a while. You can do fine with book starts on ghouls, but playing them as a ~~caster~~ from the start is a bit rough in my opinion.

Book of Geomancy is good in general, I wouldn't judge it too harshly on the basis of how it plays with a ghoul that is trying to kill with spells in the early game.
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Post Saturday, 16th July 2016, 22:46

Re: Ghoul Casters

and into wrote:Intelligence stat matters for casting, and ghouls suffer in that department. Eventually you can get decent to good int, but it takes a while. You can do fine with book starts on ghouls, but playing them as a ~~caster~~ from the start is a bit rough in my opinion.


Intelligence, and they have the lowest magic points along with trolls and minotaurs.

Honestly, either one of those alone would have been sufficient, IMO.

It's a little annoying that they have the second best earth magic aptitude in the game but can't really make use of it unless they luck into the exact right gear. If they just had crappy magic scores across the board like minotaurs I'd have at least known what I was getting myself into and prepared for a long slog.

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Post Sunday, 17th July 2016, 03:21

Re: Ghoul Casters

Is Petrify + LRD a combo or a nombo?
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Post Sunday, 17th July 2016, 03:45

Re: Ghoul Casters

LRD + LRD is a better combo than petrify + LRD

unless you are somehow opposed to casting LRD on walls (even shoals has walls!), petrify is only decent for briefly disabling monsters with poor MR; what will probably happen is you cast it twice in the game because you ran into two situations in lair where it conveniently blocked off a corridor

the only time petrify+LRD is good is when an orc warrior/knight puts on the GDA/CPA in that one bailey

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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 07:14

Re: Ghoul Casters

Reptisaurus wrote:Mummies at least have decent Spell points.

Reptisaurus wrote:PLUS I have the lowest magic points of any species, tied with minotaurs and trolls.

Reptisaurus wrote:one extra magic point a level

Reptisaurus wrote:-1 magic a level

Reptisaurus wrote:and they have the lowest magic points along with trolls and minotaurs.


It's literally only -1 mana point at level 1.
Early on a ghoul has 2 mana where a human has 3 and a Deep Elf has 5.
Later on a ghoul has 29 while a human has 30 and a DE has 32.

The only race that actually gets more or less mana per level nowadays is Demigod with their +10% bonus.

The only thing giving you low MP is the -2 spellcasting aptitude, which is no worse than Mummy and still far better than Minotaur or Troll.

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Post Monday, 18th July 2016, 12:39

Re: Ghoul Casters

duvessa wrote:the only time petrify+LRD is good is when an orc warrior/knight puts on the GDA/CPA in that one bailey


I just use a confuse wand there!
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Post Tuesday, 19th July 2016, 23:56

Re: Ghoul Casters

genericpseudonym wrote:
Reptisaurus wrote:Mummies at least have decent Spell points.

Reptisaurus wrote:PLUS I have the lowest magic points of any species, tied with minotaurs and trolls.

Reptisaurus wrote:one extra magic point a level

Reptisaurus wrote:-1 magic a level

Reptisaurus wrote:and they have the lowest magic points along with trolls and minotaurs.


It's literally only -1 mana point at level 1.
Early on a ghoul has 2 mana where a human has 3 and a Deep Elf has 5.
Later on a ghoul has 29 while a human has 30 and a DE has 32.

The only race that actually gets more or less mana per level nowadays is Demigod with their +10% bonus.

The only thing giving you low MP is the -2 spellcasting aptitude, which is no worse than Mummy and still far better than Minotaur or Troll.


Ok, obviously didn't know that. I felt under-magiced all game until the very end (Zot was a cakewalk) but you're right that was probably just my low spellcasting.

I'm honestly not sure why I found this combo so hard, then!

(Although -1 MP at level one is actually a huge detriment. I'm sure that one last sandblast would have saved me a half dozen times.)

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Post Tuesday, 26th July 2016, 22:38

Re: Ghoul Casters

Am I the only person who thinks of this every time they see the word "caster" :

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Post Wednesday, 27th July 2016, 00:03

Re: Ghoul Casters

You're in probably <1% of the population that does

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