Mennas Vaults 5?


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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 18:47

Mennas Vaults 5?

I was standing on the upstairs and killing stuff when mennas appeared. I fired two iron shots at him before he silenced me, then I escaped upstairs. How can I kill him? Should I use a phantom mirror?
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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-47-g9310371 (webtiles) character file.

arandomperson12 the Metallomancer (GrEE)          Turns: 143808, Time: 14:40:42

Health: 128/168    AC: 43    Str: 22    XL:     27
Magic:  10/44      EV: 17    Int: 32    God:    Vehumet [******]
Gold:   5261       SH: 17    Dex: 12    Spells: 15 memorised, 2 levels left

rFire  + . .      SeeInvis +    I - staff of earth
rCold  + + +      Gourm    +    X - +3 leather armour "Caid" {rF+ rC++ MR+ Str+3}
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    r - +1 shield of the Good {MR+ Str+2}
rPois  ∞        Spirit   .    D - +2 hat {Int+3}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    c - +2 cloak {+Inv}
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    n - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Slay+5}
SustAt .          Harm     .    l - +2 pair of boots {run}
MR     ++...                    B - amulet of the gourmand
Stlth  ++++......               K - ring of wizardry
                                Y - ring "Zixoczac" {rC+ Int+5 SInv Stlth+}

@: vulnerable, flying, delayed fireball, repel missiles, quick, very resistant
to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: big wings, large bone plates 1, thin skeletal structure 1, camouflage 1,
negative energy resistance 1, electricity resistance, unbreathing, petrification
resistance, rot immunity, AC +20
a: Stop Flying, Renounce Religion, Release Delayed Fireball, Evoke Invisibility
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer


You are on level 4 of the Vaults.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 50 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove, Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You have collected 8633 gold pieces.
You have spent 3372 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Missiles
 M - 1196 stones (quivered)
Armour
 c - a +2 cloak of invisibility (worn)
 l - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 n - the +3 pair of gauntlets of War (worn) {Slay+5}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+5).
 r - the +1 shield of the Good (worn) {MR+ Str+2}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 D - a +2 hat of intelligence (worn)
 X - the +3 leather armour "Caid" (worn) {rF+ rC++ MR+ Str+3}
   (You took it off a vampire mage on level 3 of the Depths)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical Staves
 I - an uncursed staff of earth (weapon)
Jewellery
 b - the ring "Oteuk" {Fire Dex+3 SInv}
   (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of fire]
   
   It enhances your fire magic, and weakens your ice magic.
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
   It lets you see invisible.
 f - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 B - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 J - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 K - a ring of wizardry (right hand)
 Q - the amulet of the Four Winds {rN+ MR+++ Clar}
   (You took it off a vampire knight on level 3 of the Crypt)   
   
   [amulet of nothing]
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It protects you against confusion.
 U - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes
 Y - the ring "Zixoczac" (left hand) {rC+ Int+5 SInv Stlth+}
   (You took it off a deep elf sorcerer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from cold.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Wands
 a - a wand of heal wounds (5/9)
 j - a wand of flame (18/48)
 m - a wand of digging (5/24)
 q - a wand of paralysis (15/24)
 s - a wand of enslavement (15/24)
 y - a wand of hasting (4/9)
 z - a wand of lightning (10/15)
 O - a wand of teleportation (5/9)
Scrolls
 i - 22 scrolls of remove curse
 k - 2 scrolls of recharging
 t - 6 scrolls of blinking
 w - 5 scrolls of immolation
 A - 2 scrolls of summoning
 C - 4 scrolls of fog
 W - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 Z - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
Potions
 e - 14 potions of curing
 g - 11 potions of ambrosia
 p - 5 potions of heal wounds
 u - 5 potions of brilliance
 x - 6 potions of haste
 L - 7 potions of resistance
 N - 3 potions of magic
 R - 4 potions of might
Miscellaneous
 h - a fan of gales
 o - a phial of floods
 v - a lamp of fire
 P - 3 phantom mirrors
 T - a plain deck of escape {Warpwright, drawn: 2}
 V - a plain deck of wonders {the Mercenary}
Comestibles
 d - 15 meat rations
 E - a chunk of flesh


   Skills:
 - Level 16.0 Fighting
   Level 5.2(9.4) Maces & Flails
 - Level 12.0(12.4) Staves
 - Level 11.0 Armour
 - Level 11.1 Dodging
 - Level 2.1 Stealth
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 - Level 17.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 18.0 Conjurations
 - Level 4.0 Charms
 - Level 3.1 Summonings
 - Level 0.7 Transmutations
 - Level 17.3 Fire Magic
 - Level 3.3 Air Magic
 - Level 23.0 Earth Magic
 + Level 16.4 Evocations


You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Delayed Fireball      Conj/Fire      N/A          1%          7    ####...
b - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       0%          3    None
c - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           ########..   0%          5    None
d - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      #######...   19%         9    #######
e - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ########..   1%          2    None
f - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      #######.     0%          3    None
g - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ####..       1%          2    None
h - Shatter               Erth           ########..   2%          9    #######
i - Summon Butterflies    Summ           #####...     1%          1    None
j - Fireball              Conj/Fire      #######...   1%          5    None
k - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      ########..   1%          6    #......
l - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      #######...   1%          6    #......
m - Apportation           Tloc           ####......   1%          1    None
n - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
o - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      #####.....   1%          2    None
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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 18:49

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

This is when I go to Slime or Abyss...

You should probably post a morgue of your character, since the answer really is "it depends".

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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:09

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

Is it just Mennas or is it Mennas, 2 titans and an ancient lich?

If it's the former I'd unload my evocables including the phantom mirror and hope that gargoyle armor carries me through. Mennas is the worst of the worst for casters.

Otherwise... eh, abyss doesn't look so bad with boots of running and all that armor class. Are there any more teleport scrolls/wands you could buy? I use teleport A LOT in the abyss especially for casters, even though it's delayed.

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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:12

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

I have many teleport scrolls at my stash. Should I just go do abyss? Which level should I be at? 3? Also, it is Mennas, a couple dragons, and a bit of popcorn. No liches yet.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:18

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

How much of vaults 5 have you cleared?

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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:26

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

I suggest to never keep scrolls of teleportation in stash. It is one of a few resources which save life, especially for casters.

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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:29

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

Reptisaurus wrote:How much of vaults 5 have you cleared?

Not much. I used scroll of immolation and shatter to kill the initial ring of guards, then killed approaching monsters with bolt of fire/iron shot/ stair dancing.

Sandman25 wrote:I suggest to never keep scrolls of teleportation in stash. It is one of a few resources which save life, especially for casters.

I had the wand of teleporting, so I kept the scrolls at my stash to save inventory space.

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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:33

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

Yes, I realize it. My point is that there are just about 4-5 items more or as useful as scrolls of teleportation so if you need slots, you should drop something else. In this case plain deck with mercenary is obvious candidate.
If you get banished to Abyss 5, you will be really sorry about scrolls of teleportation being in stash and not in your inventory.

Edit. Also it is a good idea to use amulet with MR+++ for Vaults 5.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:41

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

You could fire off a teleport and then head down the stairs... but, man I just don't like Mennas right there! Maybe this is me not being a great player, but I always have to run towards the stairs licking my wounds sometime on V:5. You wouldn't happen to have a box of beasts or a rod of shadows somewhere around, would you? With a 16 evocations I'd say that would be enough to take Mennas down. (Along with haste, might, and the elemental stones.) A couple enslaved dragons could help, too.

I'd probably play the mercenary card, too. I JUST found out that you can end up with a greater naga on your side if you can keep him alive!

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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:47

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

Yes, I have box of beasts.
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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 19:55

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

I'd probably try to kill him, then. 40+ gargoyle AC is gonna make this an easier fight for your than for other caster types.

(I apologize in advance if I get you killed.)

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Post Wednesday, 22nd June 2016, 20:00

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

I used a phantom mirror, but the fake mennas attacked a yaktaur captain instead of mennas, and lost to the yaktaur captain. Luckily, I was able to beat mennas to death.

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Post Thursday, 23rd June 2016, 06:37

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

There are ways to kill Mennas of course, but you don't have to. If you just want one more rune then go to the Slime Pits. If you plan to get a lot more runes, then definitely leave vaults for later.

With this character I'd definitely have a look for aura of abjuration and then do crypt/tomb.
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Post Thursday, 23rd June 2016, 14:41

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

arandomperson12 wrote:I used a phantom mirror, but the fake mennas attacked a yaktaur captain instead of mennas, and lost to the yaktaur captain.

See? He isn't even as tough as a yak cap. A pushover, really.
I am not a very good player. My mouth is a foul pit of LIES. KNOW THIS.

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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2016, 19:55

Re: Mennas Vaults 5?

Mennas on V5 usually means I go somewhere else for rune #3. Sometimes he's a total pushover, sometimes he just repeatedly silences you, then heals up when it wears off, and reapplies silence. If you have a wand of tele at least you're not trapped fighting him.

I know you already killed him, but I wanted to address the theoretical question anyway.

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