amaril wrote:I think we should just remove krakens ... they are basically free xp.
What is often so drastically flawed about this line of reasoning -- and especially so in this case -- is that the argument imagines only an ultra-simplified scenario with only one super-experienced nearly-perfect player, no other monsters around, and accommodating terrain. Sure, in those circumstances, a kraken is "free xp." If you're good enough at crawl, every monster is "free xp." A freaking vault warden is "free xp." All it can do is lock doors. Psht! After he locks the doors you just kill him. Free xp!
Arguments like these ignore a multitude of scenarios where reasonable but less-than-perfect play puts the player in real danger. I've gone into a shoals vault searching for a rune (neatly designed so you have to get inside to put the center tile in LOS), only to find a kraken had floated up toward the entrance when I tried to leave. I've been on some god-forsaken mini-island with fauns and merfolk swarming after hitting an alarm or teleport trap and run into a kraken while trying to cover my escape.
The danger in crawl rarely comes from one individual, isolated threat. When it does, as in the form of an ultra-powered unique, that's often among the least interesting challenges the game has to offer. A high-powered unique often just feels like a slugfest. A hp-off that can be thwarted Zynga-style by blowing through some consumables. Interesting, exciting challenges come through emergent combinations of elements: Traps, shafts, monsters with varying abilities, varying terrains, positioning, etc. Krakens are a great example of the kind of monster that fits into that kind of system. Of course, by itself, in ideal circumstances, with ideal resources, ideal knowledge of the game, and ideal tactics, it's not a threat. That's not remotely the point.
Of course you don't have to believe me, there's also empirical fact:
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/killers.html . Krakens have logged more player kills than Tiamat, ancient champions, shard shrikes, etc. Don't feel like those are comparable ? How about Ilsuiw? She only beats krakens with 203 kills to krakens' 162. Not exactly a blowout.