Hybridizing in the early dungeon

Thursday, 24th December 2015, 17:43 by WingedEspeon

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0 (tiles) character file. Isaac 3 the Spear-Bearer (Human Skald) Turns: 10352, Time: 00:41:37 Health: 73/73 AC: 7 Str: 13 XL: 10 Next: 2% Magic: 6/14 EV: 14 Int: 14 God: Okawaru [***...] Gold: 216 SH: 7 Dex: 14 Spells: 6 memorised, 2 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + F - +0 trident rCold . . . Clarity . b - +0 leather armour rNeg . . . SustAt . t - +2 buckler rPois . Gourm . (no helmet) rElec . Spirit . f - +0 cloak rCorr . Warding . (no gloves) rMut . Stasis . i - +2 pair of boots MR ..... (no amulet) Stlth +......... (no ring) u - ring of see invisible @: very slightly contaminated, not resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy A: no striking features a: Heroism, Renounce Religion You are on level 7 of the Dungeon. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is most pleased with you. You are hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels. You have collected 216 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons a - a +1 spear x - an uncursed hunting sling F - a +0 trident (weapon) Missiles j - 162 stones (quivered) m - 4 tomahawks Armour b - a +0 leather armour (worn) f - a +0 cloak (worn) i - a +2 pair of boots (worn) t - a +2 buckler (worn) Jewellery u - a ring of see invisible (left hand) Wands k - a wand of random effects o - a wand of invisibility (8) w - a wand of polymorph Scrolls p - 2 scrolls of recharging v - 3 scrolls of teleportation y - a scroll of enchant weapon E - a scroll of enchant armour Potions g - 2 smoky white potions h - a potion of brilliance l - 2 bubbling cyan potions n - a puce potion q - a blue potion r - 4 amethyst potions z - 2 smoky emerald potions A - 4 pink potions B - 2 sedimented brown potions C - a smoky brown potion Books c - a book of Battle Spells Type Level a - Infusion Charms 1 b - Shroud of Golubria Charms/Translocation 2 c - Song of Slaying Charms 2 d - Spectral Weapon Hexes/Charms 3 e - Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 e - a book of Callings Spells Type Level a - Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1 b - Call Imp Summoning 2 c - Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 d - Summon Guardian Golem Hexes/Summoning 3 e - Summon Lightning Spire Summoning/Air 4 f - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 Comestibles d - 6 bread rations {@e1} s - 3 chunks of flesh {@w0} D - a fruit Skills: - Level 4.8 Fighting + Level 9.1 Polearms - Level 1.0 Armour - Level 5.1 Dodging - Level 4.0 Shields - Level 2.7 Spellcasting - Level 3.1 Hexes - Level 3.0 Charms - Level 3.0 Summonings You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Infusion Chrm ##.... 10% 1 #...... b - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc #......... 24% 2 ###.... c - Song of Slaying Chrm ##...... 14% 2 ###.... d - Spectral Weapon Hex/Chrm ##...... 28% 3 ###.... e - Summon Small Mammal Summ ##.. 10% 1 #...... f - Call Canine Familiar Summ ##...... 28% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (7/15) Temple (1/1) D:5 Altars: Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Trog Zin Shops: D:6 % Annotations: D:4 exclusion: ogre Message History The wight is lightly damaged. You hit the wight but do no damage. The wight is lightly damaged. Your spectral weapon hits the wight from afar! You catch the helpless wight momentarily off-guard. You hit the wight but do no damage. The wight is heavily damaged. Your spectral weapon hits the wight from afar! You destroy the wight! Okawaru accepts your kill. Unknown command. Things that are here: an enchanted long sword; a robe Unknown command. You swing at nothing. You swing at nothing. Unknown command. You swing at nothing. You swing at nothing. You swing at nothing. ########## #.@....... #(############### #############.##............. .......##..[..##.############ ######.##.....##.#...#..#.... .>......+.................... #+####)##.........##.#.##.### .......######))...'.......# # .......# #.)...###b.#bb# # .......# #.)...# #bb#..### There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Prince Ribbit (D:7) 3 orc warriors 3 ice beasts 2 sky beasts A centaur (D:6) An ogre (D:6) 3 necrophages (D:7) 5 giant frogs A wight (D:7) 3 crimson imps 2 centaur zombies A giant frog zombie (D:7) 7 orc wizards 2 giant frog skeletons 2 orc priests (D:4) Natasha (thrice) (D:2) 4 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:6) A hound skeleton (D:7) A worker ant zombie (D:5) 5 adders 5 gnolls An ooze (D:6) 3 adder zombies (D:7) An adder skeleton (D:6) A worm (D:4) 22 orcs 8 bats 5 giant cockroaches 3 goblins (D:2) 4 hobgoblins 8 jackals 3 quokkas 4 ball pythons A ball python skeleton (D:4) 6 giant geckos 3 giant gecko zombies (D:6) 3 giant newts 6 kobolds 8 rats A bush (D:7) 148 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An ogre (D:6) An orc warrior (D:6) An orc priest (D:6) A jelly (D:6) An orc (D:6) 5 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 4 plants (D:7) 3 spectral weapons 7 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 160 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Isaac 3 the Human Skald began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 3/3 377 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 5/5 381 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria 384 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Song of Slaying 1030 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 25/27 MP: 6/6 1480 | D:2 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1485 | D:2 | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 1782 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 1791 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 1791 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms 1791 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 14/33 MP: 4/7 2112 | D:2 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 2112 | D:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 2571 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 2586 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 2686 | D:2 | Noticed Natasha 2689 | D:2 | Killed Natasha 3076 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 2/8 3081 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Spectral Weapon 3474 | D:3 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 4215 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 4313 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 4678 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 23/44 MP: 4/9 4939 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 5142 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5429 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5626 | D:5 | Reached * piety under Okawaru 5651 | D:5 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 5659 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5876 | Temple | Reached XP level 7. HP: 29/50 MP: 6/10 6193 | D:5 | Noticed a sky beast 6205 | D:5 | Killed a sky beast 6272 | D:5 | Noticed an ice beast 6578 | D:5 | Killed an ice beast 6948 | D:6 | Found Femiul's Food Emporium. 7047 | D:6 | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Small Mammal 7099 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/61 MP: 5/11 7274 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 7620 | D:6 | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar 7870 | D:6 | Reached ** piety under Okawaru 8144 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 8488 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/67 MP: 10/13 8632 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 9192 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 9194 | D:6 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 9199 | D:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 9306 | D:7 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 9801 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 9802 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 10035 | D:7 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 10149 | D:7 | Reached *** piety under Okawaru 10211 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 10227 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 10227 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 10227 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 56/73 MP: 7/14 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Spear | 120 | 233 | 270 | || 623 Trident | | | 177 | 3 || 180 Throw: Stone | 2 | | | || 2 Cast: Infusion | 8 | 3 | | || 11 Shroud of Golubri | 10 | 16 | | || 26 Spectral Weapon | | 10 | 33 | 1 || 44 Summon Small Mamm | | | 2 | || 2 Call Canine Famil | | | 6 | || 6 Invok: Heroism | | | 6 | || 6 Use: Scroll | 5 | 6 | 4 | || 15 Stab: Distracted | | 1 | 4 | 1 || 6 Sleeping | | | 1 | || 1 Eat: Chunk | 4 | 15 | 11 | || 30 Royal jelly | | | 1 | || 1 Pizza | | | 1 | || 1 Beef jerky | | | 1 | || 1 Fruit | | | 1 | || 1 Meat ration | | | 1 | || 1

I have been pretty sure for a while that simply training your weapon skill from D:1 until you hit min delay is bad advice for most characters because the cost of increasing a skill increases very quickly. I started this character to see how well hybridizing well before min delay would work.

I got spectral weapon online around D:4, and it increased my damage much more than spending the same skill points in polearms would have. If I had tried to train straight to min I would have about 12 polearms and be attacking at about a 0.7 delay with 11 EV. Instead I attack at about an 0.85 delay that is effectively 0.425 with spectral weapon, I have 14 EV and 7 sh ( It would be 5 if I had only found a normal buckler), I have more HP than if I had trained straight to min delay and actualy hit harder per swing, and I have call canine familiar.

Yes, this character has gotten lucky. A D:2 oka altar was very helpful, as was finding aux slot armour and the book of callings. If I had found stuff that incentivized heavier armour instead that might have been a better path.

Yes the RNG could screw me by giving me a bunch of miscasts, but the RNG could screw me by making me miss a bunch had I gone straight for min delay.

Friday, 25th December 2015, 15:32 by edgefigaro

If I have a chosen weapon type on d1, I get fighting to the first hp after 2 (roughly all of d1 xp into fighting), and then weapon to 6. Then I branch out. Min early min delay is a trap.

I frequently haven't chosen a weapon type at d1, and build defensively through the temple. Early points in fighting, armor, Dodge and stealth are fine when you are killing everything with an electric/venom dagger, blowgun, or wand of flame.

Hybridizing in the early dungeon

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