Hybridizing in the early dungeon


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Post Thursday, 24th December 2015, 17:43

Hybridizing in the early dungeon

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0 (tiles) character file.

Isaac 3 the Spear-Bearer (Human Skald)             Turns: 10352, Time: 00:41:37

Health: 73/73      AC:  7    Str: 13    XL:     10   Next: 2%
Magic:  6/14       EV: 14    Int: 14    God:    Okawaru [***...]
Gold:   216        SH:  7    Dex: 14    Spells: 6 memorised, 2 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     F - +0 trident
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     b - +0 leather armour
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     t - +2 buckler
rPois  .         Gourm    .     (no helmet)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     f - +0 cloak
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     i - +2 pair of boots
MR     .....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  +.........               (no ring)
                                u - ring of see invisible

@: very slightly contaminated, not resistant to hostile enchantments, very
unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Heroism, Renounce Religion


You are on level 7 of the Dungeon.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is most pleased with you.
You are hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels.

You have collected 216 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +1 spear
 x - an uncursed hunting sling
 F - a +0 trident (weapon)
Missiles
 j - 162 stones (quivered)
 m - 4 tomahawks
Armour
 b - a +0 leather armour (worn)
 f - a +0 cloak (worn)
 i - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 t - a +2 buckler (worn)
Jewellery
 u - a ring of see invisible (left hand)
Wands
 k - a wand of random effects
 o - a wand of invisibility (8)
 w - a wand of polymorph
Scrolls
 p - 2 scrolls of recharging
 v - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 y - a scroll of enchant weapon
 E - a scroll of enchant armour
Potions
 g - 2 smoky white potions
 h - a potion of brilliance
 l - 2 bubbling cyan potions
 n - a puce potion
 q - a blue potion
 r - 4 amethyst potions
 z - 2 smoky emerald potions
 A - 4 pink potions
 B - 2 sedimented brown potions
 C - a smoky brown potion
Books
 c - a book of Battle   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Infusion                     Charms                        1
    b - Shroud of Golubria           Charms/Translocation          2
    c - Song of Slaying              Charms                        2
    d - Spectral Weapon              Hexes/Charms                  3
    e - Regeneration                 Charms/Necromancy             3
 e - a book of Callings   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Small Mammal          Summoning                     1
    b - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    c - Call Canine Familiar         Summoning                     3
    d - Summon Guardian Golem        Hexes/Summoning               3
    e - Summon Lightning Spire       Summoning/Air                 4
    f - Summon Ice Beast             Ice/Summoning                 4
Comestibles
 d - 6 bread rations {@e1}
 s - 3 chunks of flesh {@w0}
 D - a fruit


   Skills:
 - Level 4.8 Fighting
 + Level 9.1 Polearms
 - Level 1.0 Armour
 - Level 5.1 Dodging
 - Level 4.0 Shields
 - Level 2.7 Spellcasting
 - Level 3.1 Hexes
 - Level 3.0 Charms
 - Level 3.0 Summonings


You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Infusion              Chrm           ##....       10%         1    #......
b - Shroud of Golubria    Chrm/Tloc      #.........   24%         2    ###....
c - Song of Slaying       Chrm           ##......     14%         2    ###....
d - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       ##......     28%         3    ###....
e - Summon Small Mammal   Summ           ##..         10%         1    #......
f - Call Canine Familiar  Summ           ##......     28%         3    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (7/15)             Temple (1/1) D:5         

Altars:
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Trog
Zin

Shops:
D:6 %

Annotations:
D:4 exclusion: ogre

Message History

The wight is lightly damaged.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is lightly damaged.
Your spectral weapon hits the wight from afar!
You catch the helpless wight momentarily off-guard.
You hit the wight but do no damage.
The wight is heavily damaged.
Your spectral weapon hits the wight from afar!
You destroy the wight!
Okawaru accepts your kill.
Unknown command.
Things that are here:
an enchanted long sword; a robe
Unknown command.
You swing at nothing.
You swing at nothing.
Unknown command.
You swing at nothing.
You swing at nothing.
You swing at nothing.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Prince Ribbit (D:7)
  3 orc warriors
  3 ice beasts
  2 sky beasts
  A centaur (D:6)
  An ogre (D:6)
  3 necrophages (D:7)
  5 giant frogs
  A wight (D:7)
  3 crimson imps
  2 centaur zombies
  A giant frog zombie (D:7)
  7 orc wizards
  2 giant frog skeletons
  2 orc priests (D:4)
  Natasha (thrice) (D:2)
  4 worker ants
  A killer bee zombie (D:6)
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  5 adders
  5 gnolls
  An ooze (D:6)
  3 adder zombies (D:7)
  An adder skeleton (D:6)
  A worm (D:4)
  22 orcs
  8 bats
  5 giant cockroaches
  3 goblins (D:2)
  4 hobgoblins
  8 jackals
  3 quokkas
  4 ball pythons
  A ball python skeleton (D:4)
  6 giant geckos
  3 giant gecko zombies (D:6)
  3 giant newts
  6 kobolds
  8 rats
  A bush (D:7)
148 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An ogre (D:6)
  An orc warrior (D:6)
  An orc priest (D:6)
  A jelly (D:6)
  An orc (D:6)
5 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  4 plants (D:7)
  3 spectral weapons
7 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 160 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Isaac 3 the Human Skald began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 3/3
   377 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 5/5
   381 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria
   384 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Song of Slaying
  1030 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 25/27 MP: 6/6
  1480 | D:2      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  1485 | D:2      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  1782 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  1791 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  1791 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms
  1791 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 14/33 MP: 4/7
  2112 | D:2      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  2112 | D:2      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  2571 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  2586 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  2686 | D:2      | Noticed Natasha
  2689 | D:2      | Killed Natasha
  3076 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 2/8
  3081 | D:3      | Learned a level 3 spell: Spectral Weapon
  3474 | D:3      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  4215 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  4313 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
  4678 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 23/44 MP: 4/9
  4939 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  5142 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5429 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5626 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Okawaru
  5651 | D:5      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  5659 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5876 | Temple   | Reached XP level 7. HP: 29/50 MP: 6/10
  6193 | D:5      | Noticed a sky beast
  6205 | D:5      | Killed a sky beast
  6272 | D:5      | Noticed an ice beast
  6578 | D:5      | Killed an ice beast
  6948 | D:6      | Found Femiul's Food Emporium.
  7047 | D:6      | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Small Mammal
  7099 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/61 MP: 5/11
  7274 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms
  7620 | D:6      | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar
  7870 | D:6      | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
  8144 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms
  8488 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/67 MP: 10/13
  8632 | D:6      | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms
  9192 | D:6      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  9194 | D:6      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  9199 | D:6      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  9306 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms
  9801 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms
  9802 | D:7      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 10035 | D:7      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 10149 | D:7      | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
 10211 | D:7      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 10227 | D:7      | Killed Prince Ribbit
 10227 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 10227 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 56/73 MP: 7/14


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Spear             |   120 |   233 |   270 |       ||   623
       Trident           |       |       |   177 |     3 ||   180
Throw: Stone             |     2 |       |       |       ||     2
 Cast: Infusion          |     8 |     3 |       |       ||    11
       Shroud of Golubri |    10 |    16 |       |       ||    26
       Spectral Weapon   |       |    10 |    33 |     1 ||    44
       Summon Small Mamm |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Call Canine Famil |       |       |     6 |       ||     6
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |     6 |       ||     6
  Use: Scroll            |     5 |     6 |     4 |       ||    15
 Stab: Distracted        |       |     1 |     4 |     1 ||     6
       Sleeping          |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     4 |    15 |    11 |       ||    30
       Royal jelly       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Pizza             |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Beef jerky        |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Fruit             |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Meat ration       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1

I have been pretty sure for a while that simply training your weapon skill from D:1 until you hit min delay is bad advice for most characters because the cost of increasing a skill increases very quickly. I started this character to see how well hybridizing well before min delay would work.

I got spectral weapon online around D:4, and it increased my damage much more than spending the same skill points in polearms would have. If I had tried to train straight to min I would have about 12 polearms and be attacking at about a 0.7 delay with 11 EV. Instead I attack at about an 0.85 delay that is effectively 0.425 with spectral weapon, I have 14 EV and 7 sh ( It would be 5 if I had only found a normal buckler), I have more HP than if I had trained straight to min delay and actualy hit harder per swing, and I have call canine familiar.

Yes, this character has gotten lucky. A D:2 oka altar was very helpful, as was finding aux slot armour and the book of callings. If I had found stuff that incentivized heavier armour instead that might have been a better path.

Yes the RNG could screw me by giving me a bunch of miscasts, but the RNG could screw me by making me miss a bunch had I gone straight for min delay.
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/playe ... speon.html. I started playing in 0.16.1
I achieved greatplayer in less than a year.
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Post Friday, 25th December 2015, 15:32

Re: Hybridizing in the early dungeon

If I have a chosen weapon type on d1, I get fighting to the first hp after 2 (roughly all of d1 xp into fighting), and then weapon to 6. Then I branch out. Min early min delay is a trap.

I frequently haven't chosen a weapon type at d1, and build defensively through the temple. Early points in fighting, armor, Dodge and stealth are fine when you are killing everything with an electric/venom dagger, blowgun, or wand of flame.

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