Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?


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Post Monday, 21st September 2015, 03:38

Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

I recently sacrificed a hand with Ru. I lost all my shield XP and the ability to train the skill, as expected, but my Bows XP remains and the skill is still trainable. If I'm not mistaken there are no one-handed bows, so shouldn't I be getting Bows piety as well? Is this a bug?

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 05:25

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

After checking around a little bit, it would seem this isn't a bug but an inconsistency. You lose shields skill when you sacrifice a hand because wearing a shield becomes impossible. Bows is as far as I can tell the only other skill to be rendered completely non-functional by this sacrifice. Is this then a design proposal: sacrifice a hand disables bows. gives piety for bow XP?

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 07:08

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

You are more likely to get feedback if you report it as a bug. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php
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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 16:46

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Proposed solution: merge bows and crossbows.

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 16:56

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

monkeytor wrote:You lose shields skill when you sacrifice a hand because wearing a shield becomes impossible. Bows is as far as I can tell the only other skill to be rendered completely non-functional by this sacrifice.

But what about polearms and staves, if you're a Spriggan?

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 17:02

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Spriggans can wield spears one-handed. Not any staves though...

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 17:34

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

duvessa wrote:Spriggans can wield spears one-handed.

No, the game doesn't allow your Spriggan to wield a spear if you have a shield equipped. However you can wield a spear with a shield - the starting one, if you pick SpFi. You have to never take off either piece of equipment if you want a spear-and-shield spriggan.

Or is Ru hand sac special-cased to let spriggans wield spears?

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 17:34

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

neil wrote:Proposed solution: merge bows and crossbows.

No, but they should crosstrain already.
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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 18:12

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Remember also that Formicids can continue to use bows after sacrificing hand.

Losing a hand means you can't wear shields in principle, but not that you can't use bow-like weapons - you just happen to not find any one-handed bows in the dungeon. :)

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Post Tuesday, 22nd September 2015, 18:52

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Apparently one-handed bows do exist. Some people draw them with their teeth.

http://www.bowhuntingbasics.com/disabled_archery.htm

I don't think we need an unrand tooth bow.

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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 06:29

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Losing a hand means you can't wear shields in principle, but not that you can't use bow-like weapons - you just happen to not find any one-handed bows in the dungeon. :)


Now that I think about it, it actually makes more sense to keep shields enabled: you can imagine a spellcaster choosing to wear a buckler for its defensive value rather than wielding a weapon at all
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Post Wednesday, 23rd September 2015, 14:28

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

neil wrote:Proposed solution: merge bows and crossbows.

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Post Monday, 28th September 2015, 19:42

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

It sounds like there are two bugs here: first, SpFi, second Sac Hand. I'll try to address both when I get a chance.

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Post Saturday, 3rd October 2015, 12:45

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Post Sunday, 4th October 2015, 04:49

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Lasty wrote:https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7f8bfcf7d011e8e264453167ba98bcbe30d635d

What you did for polearms here - same goes for staves, because spriggans can't wield any staff with one hand, even magic staves (or wiki is wrong :o )

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Post Sunday, 4th October 2015, 19:45

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Pollen_Golem wrote:
Lasty wrote:https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7f8bfcf7d011e8e264453167ba98bcbe30d635d

What you did for polearms here - same goes for staves, because spriggans can't wield any staff with one hand, even magic staves (or wiki is wrong :o )


Halflings and kobolds don't have one-handed staves either.
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Post Monday, 19th October 2015, 14:40

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

Zooty wrote:
Pollen_Golem wrote:
Lasty wrote:https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7f8bfcf7d011e8e264453167ba98bcbe30d635d

What you did for polearms here - same goes for staves, because spriggans can't wield any staff with one hand, even magic staves (or wiki is wrong :o )


Halflings and kobolds don't have one-handed staves either.


Fixed, thanks.
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Post Tuesday, 20th October 2015, 19:51

Re: Sacrifice Hand + Bows Bug?

neil wrote:Proposed solution: merge bows and crossbows.
Counterproposal: Cross-train bows and crossbows.
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