Gozag, Jiyva, Nemelex Xobeh, Qazlal, Ru, Sif Muna, Xom
Posted: Tuesday, 18th August 2015, 10:08
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nago wrote:Jyiva: TrXX ^ Fedhas -> Jyiva
bel wrote:Nemelex - SpEn
Jiyva - OpTm of Fedhas -> Jiyva (assuming you don't mind dying a few times). If you are, then Tr anything of anything -> Jiyva
Qazlal - HOFi
Ru - Pretty much anything will work, Ru is good all around. HuTm is an ok choice.
Sif Muna - MfSu, among many others
bel wrote:What's weird? Btw, I said OpTm is if you don't mind dying a few times. Otherwise Tr.
ZipZipskins wrote:trolls suck in the midgame
njvack wrote:Trolls may not be as insanely dominant in the midgame as they are in the early game, but I'd never call them weak.
njvack wrote:ZipZipskins wrote:trolls suck in the midgame
They really don't. Through Lair and Orc you get "hey look at me killing everything with my huge claws" and then you start finding large rocks and you get "hey look at me killing everything with large rocks" and the whole time you also get a heaping load of HP.
Yeah, getting a bunch of EV or AC is kind of hard (though a good shield can be pretty OK) but you'll start seeing dragons and can make some dragon armour by the time you start dealing with yaktaur packs and such (which I'd consider the midgame).
Trolls may not be as insanely dominant in the midgame as they are in the early game, but I'd never call them weak.
ZipZipskins wrote:Yeah I know, I just forgot I wasn't posting in CYC, my post was mostly a joke/some form of commentary. I guess I needed to be even less serious. XD
Sandman25 wrote:MuGl of Gozag is very nice, you don't starve and can quaff potions.
Sandman25 wrote:Sif Muna - MuSu/Cj, no hunger and great help with miscast protection
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1674-g2b13139 (webtiles) character file.
magipi the Black Belt (Troll Hunter) Turns: 28394, Time: 02:51:16
Health: 154/154 AC: 16 Str: 13 XL: 15 Next: 29%
Magic: 19/19 EV: 19 Int: 12 God: Jiyva [******]
Gold: 1926 SH: 0 Dex: 23 Spells: 1 memorised, 12 levels left
rFire + + . SeeInvis . - Unarmed
rCold . . . Clarity + u - +1 robe {MR+}
rNeg . . . SustAt . (no shield)
rPois . Gourm + (helmet restricted)
rElec . Spirit . T - +2 cloak
rCorr + Warding . (gloves unavailable)
rMut . Stasis . (boots unavailable)
MR ++... R - amulet of clarity
Stlth ++........ K - +4 ring of protection
f - ring of protection from fire
@: repel missiles, very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, hooves 1, horns 1, thin metallic scales 1, fire
resistance 1, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, shaggy fur 1, strong
1, tough skin 2, gelatinous body 1, translucent skin 1, tendrils
a: Request Jelly, Jelly Paralyse, Slimify, Cure Bad Mutation, Renounce Religion
}: 1/15 runes: slimy
You are on level 5 of the Dungeon.
You worship Jiyva.
Jiyva is exalted by your worship.
You are full.
You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 34 of its levels.
You have also visited: Bailey.
You have collected 2055 gold pieces.
You have spent 129 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
b - a +0 blowgun
Missiles
a - 13 large rocks (quivered)
B - 57 poisoned needles
P - 8 curare-tipped needles
Z - 3 throwing nets
Armour
h - a +2 robe of the Archmagi
u - a +1 robe of magic resistance (worn)
T - a +2 cloak (worn)
Rods
W - a -1 rod of clouds (11/11)
(You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)
Jewellery
d - the ring of Sudetum {+/*Tele rElec rC+++ Int-5}
(You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
[ring of teleportation]
It may teleport you to nearby monsters, and can be evoked to randomly
teleport.
It affects your intelligence (-5).
It renders you almost immune to cold.
It insulates you from electricity.
f - a ring of protection from fire (left claw)
i - an uncursed ring of see invisible
n - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
J - an uncursed ring of teleportation
K - a +4 ring of protection (right claw)
M - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
O - an uncursed amulet of stasis
Q - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
R - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
Magical devices
t - a wand of digging (8)
y - a wand of digging
A - a wand of cold
C - a wand of polymorph
I - a wand of confusion
V - a wand of fire {zapped: 3}
Scrolls
c - a scroll of blinking
g - 5 scrolls of enchant armour
l - 7 scrolls of remove curse
p - 15 scrolls of teleportation
q - 8 scrolls of recharging
E - 8 scrolls of fog
G - 11 scrolls of identify
N - a scroll of vulnerability
U - a scroll of fear
Potions
j - 9 potions of might
k - 2 potions of curing
o - 2 potions of invisibility
s - 2 potions of agility
v - 2 potions of magic
w - 4 potions of ambrosia
x - 5 potions of flight
H - 3 potions of berserk rage
L - 8 potions of heal wounds
S - 3 potions of cancellation
Books
m - a book of Cantrips
Spells Type Level
a - Corona Hexes 1
b - Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1
c - Summon Small Mammal Summoning 1
d - Apportation Translocation 1
X - a book of Air
Spells Type Level
a - Shock Conjuration/Air 1
b - Swiftness Charms/Air 2
c - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2
d - Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3
e - Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5
Y - a book of Frost
Spells Type Level
a - Freeze Ice 1
b - Throw Frost Conjuration/Ice 2
c - Ozocubu's Armour Charms/Ice 3
d - Throw Icicle Conjuration/Ice 4
e - Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4
f - Condensation Shield Ice 4
Miscellaneous
r - 2 phantom mirrors
Comestibles
e - 15 bread rations
z - 7 fruits
D - 12 royal jellies
F - 8 meat rations
Skills:
- Level 11.5 Fighting
- Level 5.1 Throwing
- Level 10.0 Dodging
- Level 0.4 Stealth
+ Level 15.4 Unarmed Combat
- Level 4.0 Charms
- Level 4.0 Air Magic
Level 4.4 Invocations
- Level 7.2 Evocations
You have 12 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
m - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #..... 12% 2 ###....
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:5 Lair (8/8) D:9
Shoals (0/4) Lair:4 Snake (0/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:8
Orc (4/4) D:10 Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Vaults (0/5) D:13
Depths (0/5) D:15
Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva
Lugonu
Shops:
D:5 ? D:8 * D:14 :([:[ Orc:4 (*[*=
Annotations:
D:10 Psyche
Lair:5 Maud
Lair:8 dire
Slime:6 Royal Jelly
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
You have large cloven feet.
You have a pair of small horns on your head.
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales (AC +2).
Your flesh is heat resistant.
Your muscles are strong. (Str +2)
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks (AC +1).
Your skin is partially translucent (Stealth, -foe acc).
You are covered in slimy tendrils that may disarm your opponents.
Magipi wrote:A quick clarification: I am interested in the strongest (easiest) combos, not in the most challenging or whatever. I definitely won't play any stupid mummies (or octopodes, felids, formicids).
ydeve wrote:Playing a caster of sif is pretty easy, it's just tedious. A lot of running away from fights to regain mp.
Magipi wrote:bel wrote:What's weird? Btw, I said OpTm is if you don't mind dying a few times. Otherwise Tr.
Op is the second (or third) worst species in the game. Tm is the second (or third) worst background in the game. To recommend OpTm, when you can pick anything... this is so fucking absurd that I cannot find any words for it.
Magipi wrote:Sandman25 wrote:MuGl of Gozag is very nice, you don't starve and can quaff potions.Sandman25 wrote:Sif Muna - MuSu/Cj, no hunger and great help with miscast protection
A quick clarification: I am interested in the strongest (easiest) combos, not in the most challenging or whatever. I definitely won't play any stupid mummies (or octopodes, felids, formicids).
bel wrote:I don't see any cursing at me. They are cursing at OpTm. I don't mind if anyone curses at me anyway, I have tough skin mutation lvl 3 (or at least I like to think so).
Siegurt wrote:bel wrote:I don't see any cursing at me. They are cursing at OpTm. I don't mind if anyone curses at me anyway, I have tough skin mutation lvl 3 (or at least I like to think so).
To me it looks like the *reccomendation* is being cursed. At least that is what I read as the antecedent to "this". I agree that there is no way "this" directly refers to the person who made the suggestion. Although one might interpret it as implying that a "fucking stupid" suggestion was from a "fucking stupid" person.
Magipi wrote:Sandman suggested mummies
Magipi wrote: I definitely won't play any stupid mummies (or octopodes, felids, formicids).
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (webtiles) character file.
1420751 magipi the Sensei (level 26, 226/226 (239) HPs)
Began as a Minotaur Monk on Aug 23, 2015.
Was the Champion of Jiyva.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 3 runes on Aug 25, 2015!
The game lasted 10:25:59 (101391 turns).
magipi the Sensei (Minotaur Monk) Turns: 101391, Time: 10:25:59
HP 226/226 (239) AC 32 Str 12 XL: 26 Next: 62%
MP 36/36 EV 28 Int 19 God: Jiyva [******]
Gold 3109 SH 0 Dex 23 Spells: 7 memorised, 25 levels left
rFire + . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed
rCold + + . Clarity . M - +6 ice dragon armour
rNeg . . . rCorr + (no shield)
rPois . rRot . X - +1 hat {Int+3}
rElec + Spirit . r - +0 cloak {MR+}
SustAb . Warding . O - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
rMut . Stasis . j - +2 pair of boots of Lugonu's Esteem {rElec rF+}
Gourm . d - amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl}
MR +++.. s - ring "Reicriso" {rF+ EV+3 Slay+6}
m - ring of protection from magic
@: repel missiles, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, see invisible, sense surroundings 1, wild
magic 1, translucent skin 2, evolution 2
a: Request Jelly, Jelly Paralyse, Slimify, Cure Bad Mutation, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Flight
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, slimy, gossamer
You escaped.
You worshipped Jiyva.
Jiyva was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.
You visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and saw 64 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You also visited: Trove and Volcano.
You collected 8002 gold pieces.
You spent 4893 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
b - a +7 blowgun
Missiles
v - 5 javelins
A - 30 poisoned needles
D - a throwing net
T - 6 silver javelins (quivered)
Armour
j - the +2 pair of boots of Lugonu's Esteem (worn) {rElec rF+}
(You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
It protects you from fire.
It insulates you from electricity.
r - a +0 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
M - a +6 ice dragon armour (worn)
O - a +2 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
X - a +1 hat of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
w - a wand of disintegration (2)
x - a wand of polymorph (6)
H - a wand of teleportation (8)
W - a wand of digging (1)
Comestibles
E - 6 meat rations
J - 23 fruits
L - 7 bread rations
Scrolls
k - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
l - 2 scrolls of teleportation
y - 24 scrolls of remove curse
C - 4 scrolls of recharging
G - a scroll of silence
N - 10 scrolls of fear
P - 2 scrolls of blinking
Q - a scroll of summoning
U - 2 scrolls of fog
Y - 10 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
d - the amulet of the Air (around neck) {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl}
(You found it on level 2 of the Depths)
[amulet of inaccuracy]
It reduces the accuracy of all your attacks.
It affects your evasion (+5).
It insulates you from electricity.
It lets you fly.
It protects you from missiles.
f - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
i - an uncursed ring of see invisible
m - a ring of protection from magic (left hand)
n - an uncursed ring of positive energy
p - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
s - the ring "Reicriso" (right hand) {rF+ EV+3 Slay+6}
(You took it off a deep elf high priest on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
[ring of evasion]
It affects your evasion (+3).
It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
(+6).
It protects you from fire.
t - an uncursed ring of teleportation
u - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
z - an uncursed amulet of clarity
Potions
a - 9 potions of heal wounds
c - 2 potions of resistance
e - 3 potions of restore abilities
g - 8 potions of curing
q - 2 potions of cancellation
K - a potion of magic
R - 6 potions of berserk rage
S - 4 potions of invisibility
V - a potion of might
Books
F - a book of Clouds
Spells Type Level
Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3
Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3
Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6
Freezing Cloud Conjuration/Ice/Air 6
Ring of Flames Charms/Fire 7
Miscellaneous
h - a lamp of fire
o - a lamp of fire
Skills:
- Level 20.2 Fighting
- Level 11.0 Throwing
- Level 17.0 Armour
- Level 15.3 Dodging
- Level 1.5 Stealth
+ Level 22.2 Unarmed Combat
- Level 10.1 Spellcasting
- Level 17.4 Charms
- Level 4.0 Summonings
- Level 11.2 Necromancy
- Level 6.2 Translocations
Level 5.0 Invocations
- Level 10.3 Evocations
You had 25 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Apportation Tloc ######.... 4% 1 None
b - Blink Tloc N/A 7% 2 None
e - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc ######.... 5% 4 ##.....
f - Flight Chrm/Air ######.... 5% 3 None
h - Haste Chrm #######. 7% 6 ######.
r - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #######... 1% 3 None
s - Summon Butterflies Summ #####... 11% 1 None
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (4/4) D:9
Elf (3/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:8 Shoals (5/5) Lair:4
Spider (5/5) Lair:6 Slime (6/6) Lair:8 Vaults (4/5) D:14
Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2 Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15
Zot (5/5) Depths:5
Shops:
D:12 ( Orc:2 * Orc:4 *%[[ Elf:1 : Shoals:2 % Shoals:3 }
Vaults:2 [(=! Vaults:4 (
Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4
Abyss: Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4
Ziggurat: Depths:2
Annotations:
Elf:1 exclusion: ice statue
Lair:5 Nergalle
Lair:8 exclusion: oklob plant
Shoals:3 Mara
Shoals:5 Ilsuiw
Spider:2 Aizul
Spider:3 Jorgrun
Slime:6 Royal Jelly
Vaults:3 vonhedlund's ghost, mighty HECj
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You passively map a small area around you.
Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful.
Your skin is mostly translucent (Stealth).
You rapidly evolve.
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed | 132 | 174 | 335 | 779 | 1825 | 1731 | 2166 | 2458 | 936 || 10536
Fire: Blowgun | | 4 | 33 | 8 | 20 | 66 | 12 | 3 | 19 || 165
Throw: Stone | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | | | | | || 8
Tomahawk | | | | 7 | 8 | | | | || 15
Javelin | | | | | | 5 | 86 | 193 | 81 || 365
Throwing net | | | | | | | | 2 | 10 || 12
Cast: Apportation | | | | | | 5 | 1 | 4 | 12 || 22
Blink | | | | | | 1 | 3 | 2 | 3 || 9
Haste | | | | | | | 5 | 29 | 13 || 47
Regeneration | | | | | | | 4 | 46 | 52 || 102
Summon Butterflie | | | | | | | | 6 | || 6
Invok: Evolution | | 1 | 4 | 15 | 22 | 32 | 24 | 11 | || 109
Jelly Paralyse | | | | | | | | 1 | || 1
Slimify | | | | | | | | | 7 || 7
Abil: Evoke Teleportati | | | | | | | | 1 | || 1
Evoke: Wand | | | 3 | 5 | 18 | 11 | 11 | 8 | 25 || 81
Use: Scroll | | 5 | 11 | 14 | 18 | 11 | 11 | 15 | 8 || 93
Potion | | | | 9 | 8 | 6 | 15 | 1 | 7 || 46
Stab: Confused | | | 3 | 7 | 17 | 12 | 3 | 4 | || 46
Sleeping | | | | 2 | 7 | | | | || 9
Distracted | | | | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 || 13
Invisible | | | | | 1 | | 5 | | || 6
Petrifying | | | | | | | | 3 | || 3
Held in net/web | | | | | | | | | 2 || 2
Eat: Chunk | 2 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 11 | 7 | || 42
Pizza | | 1 | | 9 | 1 | 2 | | 2 | || 15
Bread ration | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 3 | || 30
Beef jerky | | | 1 | | 2 | 3 | 1 | 3 | || 10
Royal jelly | | | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | | || 7
Meat ration | | | | | 3 | 1 | 5 | 12 | 1 || 22
Sandman25 wrote:Well, you spent 12k turns with Jiyva and 87k turns with Fedhas...
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1718-g72dbe4d (webtiles) character file.
1490387 magipi the Slayer (level 25, 244/244 HPs)
Began as a Minotaur Assassin on Aug 26, 2015.
Was a High Priest of Ru.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 3 runes!
The game lasted 08:33:06 (87218 turns).
magipi the Slayer (Minotaur Assassin) Turns: 87218, Time: 08:33:06
Health: 244/244 AC: 41 Str: 16 XL: 25
Magic: 38/42 EV: 30 Int: 12 God: Ru [*****.]
Gold: 2127 SH: 0 Dex: 21 Spells: 0 memorised, 24 levels left
rFire + + . SeeInvis . a - +9 battleaxe (elec)
rCold + . . Clarity . A - +6 scale mail of the Storm King {rC+ rCorr}
rNeg + . . SustAt . (no shield)
rPois . Gourm . G - +2 hat
rElec + Spirit . Z - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr + Warding + e - +2 pair of gloves {archery}
rMut . Stasis . j - +2 pair of boots {run}
MR ++... P - brooch of Shielding {Ward rN+ AC+4 EV+4}
Stlth +......... q - ring of Robustness {AC+8}
l - ring "Inydy" {rElec rF++ MP+9 Int+3 Stlth-}
@: very slightly contaminated, hasted, very quick, very resistant to hostile
enchantments, very unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, blurry vision 1, deformed body, slow healing
1, weak 1, hated by all, no hexes magic, no ice magic, no summoning magic,
MP-powered wands, unskilled 1, inexperienced 1
a: Draw Out Power, Power Leap, Apocalypse, Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy
Magipi wrote:Sandman25 wrote:MuGl of Gozag is very nice, you don't starve and can quaff potions.Sandman25 wrote:Sif Muna - MuSu/Cj, no hunger and great help with miscast protection
A quick clarification: I am interested in the strongest (easiest) combos, not in the most challenging or whatever. I definitely won't play any stupid mummies (or octopodes, felids, formicids).