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Don't play while the cat is begging for food. It has a terrible effect on concentration.

A +9 demon trident of chaos is fun until it hastes an orb of fire or berserks an orb guardian. I plead temporary derangement of the brain.

Doing Abyss when you have the do not regenerate when monsters are in your LOS mutation is a bad idea. Lost a good TeAE in Abyss:3. The ease of Abyss 1 and 2 lulled me into complacency, and then I blew through 7k gold in potion petition and all the tele trying to find an exit out over a long period of time. Abyssal stairs kept appearing under my feet as if the game was mocking me.

Your summons can start fighting each other, if one hits the other. If the hit one wins the fight, it'll then attack you too.

Nemelex can banish you to the Abyss. I was wondering why I had developed a habit of never using decks of escape...

Mostly you should stack decks of escape. Blind drawing individual cards can be a life-saver in the early/mid-game, but it also comes with appreciable danger. In the later game, with plenty of piety, it's almost never a good idea.

Apparently, slimes don't increase MR when they join together. So if you can't avoid them merging, you can easily paralyse a titanic slime creature and kill them all at the same time with a few hits.

TRJ doesn't spawn jellies when killed by Grand Finale.

Nessos has a very bad save against paralysis (46% untrained).

Distraction + Tab + Lair + Hydra + Non-flaming axe = death

Shtopit wrote:Nessos has a very bad save against paralysis (46% untrained).

You reminded me a game where I failed to apply paralysis to him with 7 attempts in a row (50% chance each). I died if I remember properly

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Shtopit wrote:Nessos has a very bad save against paralysis (46% untrained).
You reminded me a game where I failed to apply paralysis to him with 7 attempts in a row (50% chance each). I died if I remember properly

Did Nessos have any MR+ gear? If not, that was a less than 0.8% probability...

Sprucery wrote:Did Nessos have any MR+ gear? If not, that was a less than 0.8% probability...

I don't remember. Probably it had but I was not going to read all those "easily" and "barely" resists.

If you enter Lair:1 and are immediately greeted by Fannar and Harold... just read !Tele immedately. Not even the stairs can save you.

I made the error of going for the strairs right away; got Netted by Harold and died.

raikaria wrote:If you enter Lair:1 and are immediately greeted by Fannar and Harold... just read !Tele immedately. Not even the stairs can save you.

I made the error of going for the strairs right away; got Netted by Harold and died.

So Now Harold gets to retire (if im remembering my uniques properly)

Oh yeah, Crazy Yiuf's quarterstaff can banish you. I won't think of him as a free cloak anymore!

Immolation is pretty good against starcursed starses.

You can take a trapdoor and be dropped into a cloud of fire representing a campfire in a kobold vault. A bad feature, if you ask me.

Shtopit wrote:You can take a trapdoor and be dropped into a cloud of fire representing a campfire in a kobold vault. A bad feature, if you ask me.

From the viewpoint of the kobolds, it's a great feature.

If you sacrificed artifice, don't wear boots of flying in depths.

When you encounter the gnoll castle in the mid dungeon, it has orcs instead, including a warlord

You can use Immolation on Roka's Merry Band!

I used immolation on a orc warlord band in Orc:1 just yesterday! I even got hit by a couple explosions to no great harm. I'll be using that scroll more often now.

Immolation + torment + TRJ = <3

Don't Enslave Soul Bai Suzhen's dragon form.

What if you 'tw' her? Seems like she'd wander the level storming everyone...

She still doesn't sound like the best pet but this might be better than having her in LoS all the time...

Immolation isn't that great, if used while surrounded on three sides

njvack wrote:What if you 'tw' her? Seems like she'd wander the level storming everyone...

She still doesn't sound like the best pet but this might be better than having her in LoS all the time...

She was slowly killing off my gifted undead. Not that it mattered. Next level down in depths, two successive flocks of caustic shrikes killed everything. 5 vampire knights, 2 profane servitors, and a bone dragon and about 12 other gifted undead? Not a problem to caustic shrikes.

Think twice before taking Ru on a blaster, because her panic buttons have a high MP cost and chances are by the time you've figured out that you need her help you've used up most of your MP.

MainiacJoe wrote:Think twice before taking Ru on a blaster, because her panic buttons have a high MP cost and chances are by the time you've figured out that you need her help you've used up most of your MP.

If you use Ru's Apocalypse as a panic button then you use it wrong. It is an opener. If you need to finish the fight, use Power Leap or Draw Out Power.

Yermak wrote:
MainiacJoe wrote:Think twice before taking Ru on a blaster, because her panic buttons have a high MP cost and chances are by the time you've figured out that you need her help you've used up most of your MP.

If you use Ru's Apocalypse as a panic button then you use it wrong. It is an opener. If you need to finish the fight, use Power Leap or Draw Out Power.

I never considered that! So in which situations is an Apocalypse opener worth the drain, and when isn't it?

MainiacJoe wrote:So in which situations is an Apocalypse opener worth the drain, and when isn't it?

If you have a large amount of monsters in your los that you know you can't deal without a couple of buffs or even with them, then it's the time: double pack of death yaks in Lair, Vaults: 5, open layout in Depths. If you're left at red drain after the fight you probably misused it.

... player mummies are normal speed?

Frankly, Ru in general and Apocalypse in particular feel really underwhelming to me. Apocalypse is a "become Qazlal" button that will draw the entire map to you immediately after you expanded your principal means of area control, while Ru's "you can only use one of three abilities per fight" concept is flat-out weak when you consider that other gods let you effortlessly cruise though 99% of the dungeon and use that piety for a whole army of simulacra/devas/berserk iron trolls in the rare fight that is actually threatening.

Maybe I'm just bummed that I completely cleared Pan on Hellcrawl, only to die in Vestibule because Apocalypse called down a panlord/fiend party on my face. Shouldn't have lignified, I guess.

It is never too late to learn Tornado in 3 rune game (not my game):

Code:: Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 | Air Magic | 4 7 24 | 24.2 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total Tornado | | | | | | | | | 32 || 32 62683 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 27. HP: 185/246 MP: 2/48 62853 | Depths:2 | Noticed cybersaint2k's ghost (adept KoHu) 62871 | Depths:2 | Killed cybersaint2k's ghost 62875 | Depths:2 | Noticed a juggernaut 62885 | Depths:2 | Killed a juggernaut 64067 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium. 64903 | Depths:4 | Found Zeurghiext's Book Shop. 64918 | Depths:4 | Found Extorr's General Store. 64920 | Depths:4 | Bought a book of the Tempests for 1400 gold pieces 64974 | Depths:4 | Learned a level 9 spell: Tornado 65558 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Air Magic 65592 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65593 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65596 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Air Magic 65751 | Depths:4 | Noticed a juggernaut 65770 | Depths:4 | Killed a juggernaut 65796 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Air Magic 65862 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65862 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65862 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65907 | Depths:4 | Found a large runed door. 65910 | Depths:4 | Found the +1 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--} 66015 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 11 in Air Magic 66209 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths 66402 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Air Magic 66504 | Depths:5 | Found Vidacoz's Book Emporium. 66671 | Depths:5 | Noticed a juggernaut 66678 | Depths:5 | Killed a juggernaut 66678 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Air Magic 66809 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot. 67291 | Zot:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot 67439 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 14 in Air Magic 67585 | Zot:2 | Noticed an orb of fire 67590 | Zot:2 | Killed an orb of fire 67685 | Zot:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Air Magic 67875 | Zot:2 | Noticed an orb of fire 67882 | Zot:2 | Lost mutation: You are robust. (+10% HP) [an orb of fire] 67884 | Zot:2 | Killed an orb of fire 68610 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Air Magic 68821 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Air Magic 69559 | Zot:3 | Reached skill level 18 in Air Magic 70132 | Zot:4 | Identified the +8 shortbow "Suliafu" {flame, rC+} 70186 | Zot:4 | Reached skill level 19 in Air Magic 70293 | Zot:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Realm of Zot 70453 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 70457 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 70457 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 20 in Air Magic 70486 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 70487 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 70488 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70495 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70495 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 21 in Air Magic 70515 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70519 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [an orb of fire] 70522 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70525 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 70529 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 22 in Air Magic 70530 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 70645 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70651 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70651 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 23 in Air Magic 70893 | Zot:5 | Got the Orb of Zot 70912 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70916 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: Your body sometimes deteriorates upon taking damage. [an orb of fire] 70917 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70931 | Zot:5 | Cast into level 5 of the Abyss (the power of Zot) 70931 | Abyss:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Abyss 70952 | Zot:5 | Escaped the Abyss 71004 | Zot:2 | Noticed Xaguw the pandemonium lord 71004 | Zot:2 | Noticed an ancient lich 71007 | Zot:2 | Killed an ancient lich 71007 | Zot:2 | Reached skill level 24 in Air Magic 71007 | Zot:2 | Killed Xaguw the pandemonium lord 71490 | D:$ | Escaped with the Orb!

VeryAngryFelid wrote:It is never too late to learn Tornado in 3 rune game (not my game):

Code:
Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 | Air Magic | 4 7 24 | 24.2 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total Tornado | | | | | | | | | 32 || 32 62683 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 27. HP: 185/246 MP: 2/48 62853 | Depths:2 | Noticed cybersaint2k's ghost (adept KoHu) 62871 | Depths:2 | Killed cybersaint2k's ghost 62875 | Depths:2 | Noticed a juggernaut 62885 | Depths:2 | Killed a juggernaut 64067 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium. 64903 | Depths:4 | Found Zeurghiext's Book Shop. 64918 | Depths:4 | Found Extorr's General Store. 64920 | Depths:4 | Bought a book of the Tempests for 1400 gold pieces 64974 | Depths:4 | Learned a level 9 spell: Tornado 65558 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Air Magic 65592 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65593 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65596 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Air Magic 65751 | Depths:4 | Noticed a juggernaut 65770 | Depths:4 | Killed a juggernaut 65796 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Air Magic 65862 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65862 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65862 | Depths:4 | Found a runed gate. 65907 | Depths:4 | Found a large runed door. 65910 | Depths:4 | Found the +1 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--} 66015 | Depths:4 | Reached skill level 11 in Air Magic 66209 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths 66402 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Air Magic 66504 | Depths:5 | Found Vidacoz's Book Emporium. 66671 | Depths:5 | Noticed a juggernaut 66678 | Depths:5 | Killed a juggernaut 66678 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Air Magic 66809 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot. 67291 | Zot:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot 67439 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 14 in Air Magic 67585 | Zot:2 | Noticed an orb of fire 67590 | Zot:2 | Killed an orb of fire 67685 | Zot:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Air Magic 67875 | Zot:2 | Noticed an orb of fire 67882 | Zot:2 | Lost mutation: You are robust. (+10% HP) [an orb of fire] 67884 | Zot:2 | Killed an orb of fire 68610 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Air Magic 68821 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Air Magic 69559 | Zot:3 | Reached skill level 18 in Air Magic 70132 | Zot:4 | Identified the +8 shortbow "Suliafu" {flame, rC+} 70186 | Zot:4 | Reached skill level 19 in Air Magic 70293 | Zot:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Realm of Zot 70453 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 70457 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 70457 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 20 in Air Magic 70486 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 70487 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 70488 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70495 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70495 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 21 in Air Magic 70515 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70519 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [an orb of fire] 70522 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70525 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 70529 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 22 in Air Magic 70530 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich 70645 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70651 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70651 | Zot:5 | Reached skill level 23 in Air Magic 70893 | Zot:5 | Got the Orb of Zot 70912 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire 70916 | Zot:5 | Gained mutation: Your body sometimes deteriorates upon taking damage. [an orb of fire] 70917 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire 70931 | Zot:5 | Cast into level 5 of the Abyss (the power of Zot) 70931 | Abyss:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Abyss 70952 | Zot:5 | Escaped the Abyss 71004 | Zot:2 | Noticed Xaguw the pandemonium lord 71004 | Zot:2 | Noticed an ancient lich 71007 | Zot:2 | Killed an ancient lich 71007 | Zot:2 | Reached skill level 24 in Air Magic 71007 | Zot:2 | Killed Xaguw the pandemonium lord 71490 | D:$ | Escaped with the Orb!

What species was this btw? 246 HP seems too high for a DE.

Vajrapani wrote:What species was this btw? 246 HP seems too high for a DE.

HuEE of Ashenzari with Int 31 and Shatter/Tornado/Statue Form (no wizardry) and amulet of harm.

Berserkitis can trigger on riposte.

If a horde of naga assails you, and you can't just run away, because there is a shock serpent with them, you can enslave the shock serpent and watch with cruel glee.

Dith clouds block your line of sight, and, if you read magic mapping, they also block magic mapping for the area of your LOS that was blocked by the clouds. So you can have black squares with magic mapping, but only on the tiles: the minimap doesn't show them, instead shows as normal a fully magically mapped map.

You can stop pressure traps from working if you have the tile on which the grate would descend occupied by yourself while another creature walks on the plate.

It may well be that everybody else has known this forever, but I certainly didn't until today: When in Tree Form (scroll of lignification), you are immune to the effects of a Scroll of Torment. But your enemies are not...

You can read immolation without waking the monsters affected by it.

Zapping a two headed ogre with a wand of polymorph can be a very bad idea! Its probably better to use the wand on yourself.

Thank you for your sharing

Monks who choose to worship generous Gozag get the service fee waived! (for whatever that's worth...)

Metabolic englaciation + Yara's violent unravelling is a good combo for crowd control.

Another thing I learned in my current VpTm of WJC game: As a vampire, you want to have a low-level summoning spell sticks to snakes, ensorcelled hibernation and a vampiric dagger. Now whenever you are going bloodless in a branch with low blood count (e.g. Spider), you can always heal up quickly by summoning something a snake, casting EH and stabbing it with the vamp dagger. Of course other vamp weapons work too if a dagger is not available.

...so I was using sticks to snakes with the EH + vamp dagger trick and assumed that any summoning spell would do. Then I tried it with summon small mammal and noticed that I did not get any healing from stabbing the summons. So I assume this is yet another difference between sticks to snakes and actual summoning spells...

I don't think this trick will last longer after a dev read about it.

nago wrote:I don't think this trick will last longer after a dev read about it.

I agree, I try to enjoy it in my current game as much as possible :)

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