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thromnambular wrote:Never blindly draw from a legendary deck of wonders. You might end up getting your 31 str shuffled with your 5 int.

In fact, that is a way to give your TrWz some real headstart.

Don't do Tomb with a DD of Trog. I'm actually reasonably sure it can be done, but it's so bloody tedious. It's bad when losing a character feels like a relief.

Giant eyeballs have smite targeting

vulsuck wrote:Giant eyeballs have smite targeting

Irresistible smite targeting. MR doesn't help, only amulet of stasis can help, or Juiva.

Enchantress can slow player down for about 100 turns.

Turns: 54630,

54532 | Depths:4 | Killed the Enchantress

Code:: Your ice beast disappears in a puff of smoke! You start resting. Magic restored. You start waiting. You are starting to lose your buoyancy. You start waiting. You float gracefully downwards. You start waiting. Your magical contamination has completely faded away. You start waiting. You start waiting. You feel yourself speed up.

Dragon's Call + Silence allows to avoid abjuration of allied dragons

If you train Fire Magic (Fire Elementalist) and wear freezing weapon you will have slightly casting penalty for fire spells, cool

(Fireball 6% ---> Fireball 10% with freezing mace on)

Eyesburn wrote:If you train Fire Magic (Fire Elementalist) and wear freezing weapon you will have slightly casting penalty for fire spells, cool

this is not true

crate wrote:
Eyesburn wrote:If you train Fire Magic (Fire Elementalist) and wear freezing weapon you will have slightly casting penalty for fire spells, cool

this is not true

Indeed, unless he somehow thought a staff of cold was just a staff with freezing on it.

Actually, hold on, even a staff of cold would just lower the spellpower, not lower the success chance, right? If so, my only explanation is that his "freezing" weapon was an artifact weapon with -3 INT.

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Ajonos wrote:If so, my only explanation is that his "freezing" weapon was an artifact weapon with -3 INT.

You are right, I was switching randart weapon with Int +5 with morningstar of freezing -_- that made confusion,
so failure with Int+5 weapon is 6% and with morningstar of freezing failure is 10% (because of -5 Int)

When in doubt, remember you CAN'T bum rush and tank the unique you've never seen before. Even if you can, you probably can't.

Today I learned that while successfully sleeping a monster with Ensorcelled Hibernation will give it immunity to the spell for a certain number of turns, as a player, *you* do not gain the same benefit.

...stupid player ghost sleeping me every other turn...

Ajonos wrote:Today I learned that while successfully sleeping a monster with Ensorcelled Hibernation will give it immunity to the spell for a certain number of turns, as a player, *you* do not gain the same benefit.

...stupid player ghost sleeping me every other turn...

Fun fact: While you are asleep, the melee attack that wakes you up is a 'stab' that deals 2.5x damage. (This is also how you can die to bat melee as a deep dwarf.)

Never join Chei if you found a good item before Temple.

Garrus01 wrote:When in doubt, remember you CAN'T bum rush and tank the unique you've never seen before. Even if you can, you probably can't.

I *really* need to learn this lesson.

Also when my best character died fairly recently I learned that if the game is telling you that monster is drowning you, that might actually be a really big deal and you should pay attention to it.

EDIT: Just learned that you should probably never blind-draw from a deck Nemeleh Xobeh gives you. Getting banished into the Abyss is a possible result. 0_0 (first time trying this particular deity)

That being said, a Spriggan Assassin seems much more likely to escape the Abyss than most characters, even at XL 11. This is the most exciting and fun character I've ever played XD

So ... never drink a potion of lignification if you are just waiting on a tele to go off. Not only will it CANCEL the teleport but it will make it impossible for you to teleport afterward. In fact it will basically kill you. Lost a very promising DeWz (my first) in Swamp 5 when I suddenly found myself facing end game monsters (high level demons, etc) out of a vault. All I had to do was heal up with my wand and wait it out but I got impatient and took the lignification thinking the increased AC would help. Bad, bad move. Went from 168 hp to 0 in no time. Wish I'd known the entirely unintuitive (imho) tele malus was there. (Yes I know, roots keep you in place but that doesn't stop you from going up a stairs if you are held by a mangrove...)

Hopeless wrote:So ... never drink a potion of lignification if you are just waiting on a tele to go off. Not only will it CANCEL the teleport but it will make it impossible for you to teleport afterward. In fact it will basically kill you. Lost a very promising DeWz (my first) in Swamp 5 when I suddenly found myself facing end game monsters (high level demons, etc) out of a vault. All I had to do was heal up with my wand and wait it out but I got impatient and took the lignification thinking the increased AC would help. Bad, bad move. Went from 168 hp to 0 in no time. Wish I'd known the entirely unintuitive (imho) tele malus was there. (Yes I know, roots keep you in place but that doesn't stop you from going up a stairs if you are held by a mangrove...)

Let's imagine lig doesn't prevent teles. What if the tele destination also had dangerous monsters around it? (Mara for example)

Patashu wrote:
Hopeless wrote:So ... never drink a potion of lignification if you are just waiting on a tele to go off. Not only will it CANCEL the teleport but it will make it impossible for you to teleport afterward. In fact it will basically kill you. Lost a very promising DeWz (my first) in Swamp 5 when I suddenly found myself facing end game monsters (high level demons, etc) out of a vault. All I had to do was heal up with my wand and wait it out but I got impatient and took the lignification thinking the increased AC would help. Bad, bad move. Went from 168 hp to 0 in no time. Wish I'd known the entirely unintuitive (imho) tele malus was there. (Yes I know, roots keep you in place but that doesn't stop you from going up a stairs if you are held by a mangrove...)

Let's imagine lig doesn't prevent teles. What if the tele destination also had dangerous monsters around it? (Mara for example)

It would not have been the end of the world. I would have blinked or teled again, also there were no more dangerous monsters than that which I faced there. I should note that most of the rest of the level was explored so while it is possible some OP monster could have been elsewhere it would have been unlikely.

Don't trust Okawaru, the old perv, with his gifts. I was doing fine with artifact spear until I wielded his gifted war axe which was of very poor performance, not to mention fighting hydras and it had Distortion brand. So thanks Okawaru, I will now die in Abyss.

When you get a +8 crystal plate artifact armor in the early game and have happily been smashing your way through the game with artifact swords and little risk.... and you decide to stomp out the elves for some bonus XP/gear....

....stop and think before trying to Tab a summoned Ice Fiend to death. Because the Ice Fiend does not care about your fancy armor.

Several annoying orb spiders on an island surrounded by deep water?

Use Confusion and watch them walk into deep ocean and drown... :lol:

If there's a rock/wall next to deep ocean tile, spiders (at least Orb spiders) can move onto deep ocean tile (climbing on wall). They can also fall off and drown...

I'll be adding the "confuse monster next to deep water" technique to my regular bag of tricks.

Tlarr wrote:I'll be adding the "confuse monster next to deep water" technique to my regular bag of tricks.

Just remember to check the enemy's equipment before doing so. You don't want to lose something really nice in some deep water.

Don't polymorph Ice Beast to save potions.

Code:: The ice beast evaporates and reforms as a boggart!

Sandman25 wrote:Don't polymorph Ice Beast to save potions.

Code:
The ice beast evaporates and reforms as a boggart!

You especially shouldn't do this since they don't break potions anymore.

Arrhythmia wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:Don't polymorph Ice Beast to save potions.

Code:
The ice beast evaporates and reforms as a boggart!

You especially shouldn't do this since they don't break potions anymore.

They still do in 0.14-a0-2820-gd1528c4 which is the trunk downloadable. (It is also prior to the no cursed scrolls and the autoid on read/use of scrolls and wands.)

Hopeless wrote:
Arrhythmia wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:Don't polymorph Ice Beast to save potions.

Code:
The ice beast evaporates and reforms as a boggart!

You especially shouldn't do this since they don't break potions anymore.

They still do in 0.14-a0-2820-gd1528c4 which is the trunk downloadable. (It is also prior to the no cursed scrolls and the autoid on read/use of scrolls and wands.)

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=12221

needle stab is safer than dagger stab :3

Hopeless wrote:They still do in 0.14-a0-2820-gd1528c4 which is the trunk downloadable. (It is also prior to the no cursed scrolls and the autoid on read/use of scrolls and wands.)

check this
http://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-r ... oup/Trunk/
it has 0.15 downloadable trunk

netkitten wrote:
Hopeless wrote:They still do in 0.14-a0-2820-gd1528c4 which is the trunk downloadable. (It is also prior to the no cursed scrolls and the autoid on read/use of scrolls and wands.)

check this
http://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-r ... oup/Trunk/
it has 0.15 downloadable trunk

Yeah that's what is linked to in the thread that Crate posted above. Thanks.

You can not refresh Flying from a ring if you are flying already. You have to land first to refresh it.
Also, Iceform FLOATS!

I was flying over deep water when I started to loose boyance. I was too far out to land anywhere in time. That's when I learned the first lesson. My very promising NaTm drowned. The second lesson I realized a month later. (I confess, this was not learned today)

MrRokkomies wrote:You can not refresh Flying from a ring if you are flying already. You have to land first to refresh it.
Also, Iceform FLOATS!

I was flying over deep water when I started to loose boyance. I was too far out to land anywhere in time. That's when I learned the first lesson. My very promising NaTm drowned. The second lesson I realized a month later. (I confess, this was not learned today)

Crawl has a smart 'flying is ending' warning that warns you a bit before you wouldn't have enough turns left to make it back to ground. Did it not work in your case?

It did...

But at that time I thought I could just refresh the flight from the ring to extend the buff. When I noticed you can't do that, I looked desperately in my inventory for a solution and eventually accepted that I was lost. The answer would have been ice form which I had from my starting book and still had remembered.

You always have enough time to teleport if you start a teleport right when you get the warning your flight is going to expire. Said teleport will always put you on a space where you can survive without flight (well, unless you die to monsters). This is the more-generally-applicable thing to do when you mess up with not-renewable flight, though of course in that specific situation ice form is probably better.

The biggest lesson to learn from that is actually this: Never ignore the Loosing boyance message!

Using summons while fighting slime creatures can make the fight more dangerous, since the slime creatures will walk around your summons to get to you, forcing them to merge as if you were fighting them in a corridor.

This is why fighting while wearing stasis is bad:

Code:: Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) This potion can't work under stasis. ... The arrow hits you. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * x3 You climb upwards. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Things that are here: 2 bolts; 2 arrows; Huge Dmg: -4%(-5hp) hp: 1%(1hp) Saving game... please wait.

Tlarr wrote:Several annoying orb spiders on an island surrounded by deep water?

Use Confusion and watch them walk into deep ocean and drown...

If there's a rock/wall next to deep ocean tile, spiders (at least Orb spiders) can move onto deep ocean tile (climbing on wall). They can also fall off and drown...

I'll be adding the "confuse monster next to deep water" technique to my regular bag of tricks.

This is also good for the one Bailey with all the enemies who attack you with polearms across the river. In particular, I discovered this when I got to the end, with the orc warriors and knights on an island in the middle surrounded by lava. I made it to a treasure room with barely any health, and wasn't sure I'd be so lucky trying to get out. So, as a long shot, I started firing a wand of confusion at them. They all ended up killing themselves walking into the lava and I grabbed the treasure and got out easily.

Today I learned that it's entirely possible to fall through a shaft into one of Ashenzari's premonitions. Nothing like fighting a pack of nagas at level four.

14916 | Lair:3 | Identified the +9,+9 trident of Severance {pierce, rF+} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
15003 | Lair:3 | Offered knowledge of Conjure Ball Lightning by Vehumet.
15373 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
15475 | Lair:3 | Learned a level 6 spell: Conjure Ball Lightning
15560 | Lair:1 | Killed by an exploding ball lightning

Today I learned that the in-game description of Conjure Ball Lightning is...less than comprehensive.

(Not pictured: the weapon I was actually using, +9,+12 hand axe "Smiug" {elec, MR++ Int+3})

Lasty wrote:Using summons while fighting slime creatures can make the fight more dangerous, since the slime creatures will walk around your summons to get to you, forcing them to merge as if you were fighting them in a corridor.

Similarly, summoning a battlesphere isn't necessarily the best course of action when fighting Nikola. Luckily it wasn't a spectral weapon I tried....

Code:: The orb of energy hits the basilisk. The basilisk is moderately wounded. The basilisk gazes at you. You are slowing down. Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then.

Oops, no scroll of vulnerability. AC 9, EV is decreased to 8.

Code:: Really quaff e - 3 potions of lignification {!q}? You turn into an animated tree. Your +2 pair of boots of flying melds into your body. You float gracefully downwards. Your +0 steam dragon armour {rSteam} melds into your body. Your roots penetrate the ground. Your limbs are stiffening. Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You feel your magic capacity decrease. You feel protected! c - a +1,+4 flail of protection (weapon) You have turned to stone. The basilisk bites you but does no damage. The basilisk gazes at you. The basilisk bites you! The basilisk bites you but does no damage. The basilisk gazes at you. The basilisk bites you but does no damage. The basilisk bites you but does no damage. x2 You turn to flesh and can move again. Damage: -2%(-3hp) hp: 98%(138hp)

HP 139/141 AC 31

The combination of Starving, Retching and Poisoned is a *really* good way to dispel any illusions of invincibility one might have.

If you're going to get impatient and berserk away the last 25% of The Royal Jelly's HP, remember to switch your Amulet of Resist Mutation back to rCorr first.

Alternately: don't berserk The Royal Jelly and use some of your 15 stockpiled attack wands you stupid frigging idiot.

(Funnily enough I was seriously considering abandoning Trog for The Shining One to prevent exactly this from happening, but then I said naaaah, I'll clear Slime and Zot first and see how I feel afterwards.)

Aspiring conjurers should not know Spellforged Servitor and Conjure Ball Lightning at the same time.

Or Orb of Destruction.

Just...stay away from spheres in general, maybe.

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Don't unwield a distortion weapon. Just don't do it. In fact, don't wield one in the first place!

Toxic Community wrote:Don't unwield a distortion weapon. Just don't do it. In fact, don't wield one in the first place!

Well, unwielding it at high XL can be a good idea.

Code:: 55358 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 177/177 MP: 34/34 56529 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog 56723 | Depths:2 | Cast into the Abyss (a distortion unwield) 56897 | Depths:2 | Escaped the Abyss

But yes, don't wield a runed weapon if your cannot survive being it a distortion one.

Found 2 draconians standing on stairs.

Code:: #...)##### #....))..############ #...)................ ###....)............. ####................ ####............. ##$............... ##................ ##...........###... #.......@....#q#... .............#d#... ............###.. ................. ................. ............... ............. ........... ..... You can see a yellow draconian and a mottled draconian annihilator.

After I had used the stairs one of them was moved out of that region.

Code:: ..)##### ...))..############ ######### ..).......................... #....)....................... ####......................... ####...................... ##......................... ##...........d.............. ##...........###............. #............#@#............. .............#q#............. .............###............. ............................. ............................. ............................. #............................ ##........................... ##.......................... You can see a yellow draconian and a mottled draconian annihilator.

Sandman25 wrote:After I had used the stairs one of them was moved out of that region.

This reminds me to a funny bug (?) with animate skeleton: when I use it on a fish corpse in swamp, the skeleton often jumps from one lake to another.

Magipi wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:After I had used the stairs one of them was moved out of that region.

This reminds me to a funny bug (?) with animate skeleton: when I use it on a fish corpse in swamp, the skeleton often jumps from one lake to another.

That's funny. What happens if there is no other lake in LoS?

Sometimes fish can flop around on line, so maybe skellies too?

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