I think we learned an important lesson today.


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Post Sunday, 20th March 2011, 13:55

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Curio wrote:
mageykun wrote:Wands of healing do not cure status ailments. Most significantly, confusion. 0_0

Yeah, about that. Maybe it's wise to replace icon on a wand from that of "potion of healing" with "heal wounds"(bigger blue cross) - it will be more intuitive for new players.

Good idea.
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Post Sunday, 20th March 2011, 17:35

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galehar wrote:
Curio wrote:
mageykun wrote:Wands of healing do not cure status ailments. Most significantly, confusion. 0_0

Yeah, about that. Maybe it's wise to replace icon on a wand from that of "potion of healing" with "heal wounds"(bigger blue cross) - it will be more intuitive for new players.

Good idea.

In this case. Here it is

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Post Sunday, 20th March 2011, 17:37

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

A single failure from a crystal ball of energy can take your intelligence from 23 to 10. That's nasty.
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Post Sunday, 20th March 2011, 18:38

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

If you have an Amulet of Stasis, a teleport trap makes a great stash location if you worship Jiyva.
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Post Sunday, 20th March 2011, 20:10

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Actually, it is extremely useful. When Jiyva does an occasional off-level item destruction, it chooses from one from ALL of the current floor trash in existence. So unless you're methodically cleansing each floor of the dungeon, there should be more than plenty of junk to distract Jiyva from nailing your stash often, if at all. I managed to collect seven runes (and then died going for more) while having that stash and if Jiyva destroyed anything from it, it was rare enough that I never noticed and managed to hang onto tons of books, scrolls, potions, and food.
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Post Sunday, 20th March 2011, 20:20

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I get that. And I'm stating that the stash was hit by off-level destruction so infrequently over the course of 92253 turns that I'm not ever sure it was ever touched, so therefore it is actually quite useful.
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Post Sunday, 20th March 2011, 22:00

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Tomb is hard.
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Post Monday, 21st March 2011, 15:07

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I learned that you can read manuals while in a Trog induced rage. Bonus points because it was a manual of translocations.

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Post Monday, 21st March 2011, 15:50

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Curio wrote:
mageykun wrote:Wands of healing do not cure status ailments. Most significantly, confusion. 0_0

Yeah, about that. Maybe it's wise to replace icon on a wand from that of "potion of healing" with "heal wounds"(bigger blue cross) - it will be more intuitive for new players.

Good suggestion - maybe put it on the wiki?

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Post Monday, 21st March 2011, 16:06

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If your artificer is aiming to get a rod from a scroll of acquirement, remember that rods fall under the staves category, not wands.

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Post Monday, 21st March 2011, 16:33

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danr wrote:
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mageykun wrote:Wands of healing do not cure status ailments. Most significantly, confusion. 0_0

Yeah, about that. Maybe it's wise to replace icon on a wand from that of "potion of healing" with "heal wounds"(bigger blue cross) - it will be more intuitive for new players.

Good suggestion - maybe put it on the wiki?

He did better. He edited the icon and posted it on mantis. Will be in the game soon.
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Post Monday, 21st March 2011, 19:56

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

When you are Flying continuously, Apportation may not be the best spell to use. Especially when you are in the Swamp. Especially when you about to get the rune.
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Post Tuesday, 22nd March 2011, 09:25

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joellercoaster wrote:Tomb is hard.


..but Necromutation makes it much less of a grind!
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Post Tuesday, 22nd March 2011, 13:42

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Clicking on the message log opens it up. Useful if you didn't manage to catch something crucial during a pitched battle.

(I can't believe I only found out about that today... And I've had the game for days.)
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Post Wednesday, 23rd March 2011, 09:49

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If you move downstairs and can see three things who can Smite, your very next move* should be to go up again, because you will be smitten. By all of them.

*assuming you can survive a turn in LOS, obviously.
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Post Wednesday, 23rd March 2011, 20:46

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joellercoaster wrote:Tomb is hard.


Gave that some proper emphasis.
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Post Wednesday, 23rd March 2011, 20:50

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slyker wrote:I learned that you can read manuals while in a Trog induced rage. Bonus points because it was a manual of translocations.


Not in trunk / 0.8x going forward.

Reported it a while back (Bug link).
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Post Thursday, 24th March 2011, 03:43

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Ogres can be killed with stones in a pinch. You know, so long as you're faster than they are.
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Post Thursday, 24th March 2011, 15:15

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There is no guarantee that the Pan Lord on Hellion Island can't fly :oops:
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Post Friday, 25th March 2011, 02:24

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Teleportation: not always a good idea.

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Post Friday, 25th March 2011, 03:00

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

You can get killed by a one-headed hydra before you manage to cut off that last pesky head.

(my own stupidity for fighting the darn thing while I had 1hp left, rather than using a potion, of course)
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Post Friday, 25th March 2011, 11:13

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Reliable Summons and Silence make Tomb much, much easier. Gather army, cast Silence, go down stairs. Pull a couple of Mummies upstairs for Horrible Things (preferably red) to devour. Snigger at impotently gesturing, mouthing undead. Rest, repeat.
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Post Friday, 25th March 2011, 16:56

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ghend wrote:Teleportation: not always a good idea.


Take a good, hard look at that treasure trove.
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Post Friday, 25th March 2011, 22:32

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cat + keyboard = near death experience
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Post Saturday, 26th March 2011, 13:17

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(From another post but it belongs here.)

Unlike some Roguelikes, Crawl can happily kill even the most super-powered characters if you don't pay attention. Having a couple of beers and settling in to enjoy the last rune was not the smartest thing I ever did.
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Post Saturday, 26th March 2011, 13:53

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joellercoaster wrote:(From another post but it belongs here.)

Unlike some Roguelikes, Crawl can happily kill even the most super-powered characters if you don't pay attention. Having a couple of beers and settling in to enjoy the last rune was not the smartest thing I ever did.


Over-confidence is the No.1 cause of death among adventurers. :)
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Post Saturday, 26th March 2011, 13:59

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Also:

If you are in the habit of using a transformation that is much stronger than your normal shape, watch what you pick up. Remember your old carrying capacity, and stick to that.

Having the transformation end and suddenly and be burdened (or worse, overloaded) at the wrong time can be fatal :(
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Post Sunday, 27th March 2011, 04:54

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If you just used your last teleport scroll to get away from Mennas, you should probably go up a level and try to find more. No, don't search for the down stairs. He's much faster than you and with no way to escape him you will die. Just lost a promising DeBe that way. :( Somewhat related: if you try to berserk to reach an escape route, it will run out in two turns and you'll get minced.
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Post Sunday, 27th March 2011, 22:51

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Almost all Transmuter ghosts can spam Evaporate for Mephitic Clouds, have rPois, and have pretty good unarmed to boot. If you see one without rPois or clarity yourself, read that teleport scroll on turn 1.

In other news, I apologize for all the SETm ghosts on CDO :oops:
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Post Tuesday, 29th March 2011, 02:08

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njvack wrote:Almost all Transmuter ghosts can spam Evaporate for Mephitic Clouds, have rPois, and have pretty good unarmed to boot. If you see one without rPois or clarity yourself, read that teleport scroll on turn 1.

In other news, I apologize for all the SETm ghosts on CDO :oops:



^___ This!

Turns out my couple dozens of draconian transmuters that didn't make it to level 7 are just waiting to puke all over my new characters.

Uniques and ghosts can spawn on the same level. Simple stuff.

Two or more ghosts can spawn on the same level. - This can be bad.

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Post Tuesday, 29th March 2011, 13:09

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sigfried von murdock wrote:Two or more ghosts can spawn on the same level. - This can be bad.

Unless things have changed in trunk, you won't see multiple ghosts on a level until you get to a certain depth (I believe it's D:7). But one unreasonable ghost can still ruin your day...
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Post Tuesday, 29th March 2011, 20:09

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It's very much worth it to stash your legendary/ornate deck of wonders for when you need that high power-level Helix card to remove bad mutations without removing all of them. Sure, there's still a chance you'd just lose a random mutation or you'd just gain another random mutation -- especially for ornate decks -- but there's still a high chance that you'd just lose that pesky mutation you just hate to have. And there's also a good chance that you'd gain another good mutation out of it.

Bottom-line: Spam plain -- and maybe ornate -- decks of wonders for experience. Save legendary decks for mutations.
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Post Wednesday, 30th March 2011, 01:30

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The one game you forget to inscribe !f and =f on your dagger, you will end up accidentally chucking it at a jelly when you run out of rocks. -_-'

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Post Wednesday, 30th March 2011, 04:46

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I didn't know about !f. Your sacrifice has not gone in vain.
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Post Wednesday, 30th March 2011, 08:39

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That's pretty depressing, but if it helps, I just threw a randart dagger at a shark.
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Post Wednesday, 30th March 2011, 17:08

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joellercoaster wrote:That's pretty depressing, but if it helps, I just threw a randart dagger at a shark.


You can get that back in several ways, I believe.

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Post Wednesday, 30th March 2011, 19:28

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Stormfox wrote:
sigfried von murdock wrote:Two or more ghosts can spawn on the same level. - This can be bad.

Unless things have changed in trunk, you won't see multiple ghosts on a level until you get to a certain depth (I believe it's D:7). But one unreasonable ghost can still ruin your day...


I saw two ghosts on D5-D6, I doubt it was seven but you may be right. Still unusual things happen in the game. Maybe not anything as crazy as Boris on D6 but I have come across Obsidian Axes on D3 and even a titan in the orcish mines= P
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Post Thursday, 31st March 2011, 05:22

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The spider's nest is literally impossible. You have died there a dozen times with a dozen different builds you thought were godlike and unstoppable... and really should stop trying.

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Post Thursday, 31st March 2011, 05:45

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snow wrote:The spider's nest is literally impossible. You have died there a dozen times with a dozen different builds you thought were godlike and unstoppable... and really should stop trying.


(Never died there)
I have killed the spider nest with a Spriggan Zerker, and a Draconian Monk Who used a large shield and Swamp Dragon Armour while using unarmed.

Certainly several classes and builds are not well off there, but what seems to be getting you?

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Post Thursday, 31st March 2011, 06:26

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Two or more ghosts can spawn on the same level. - This can be bad.


I had two ultra powerful ghosts on zot 5 a game or so ago. One was a godlike necromancer and the other a lvl27 MdFi. Luckily, I just spammed dispel undead. :lol: Glad I was using another necromancer. Although that MdFi did manage to claw his way through half my undead army, including dragons, and deplete my all my mp. Really, really glad I was a necromancer.

Also, Francis can cast raise undead. Do NOT summon corpses from kiku in his LOS. :(
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Post Thursday, 31st March 2011, 09:16

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sigfried von murdock wrote:Certainly several classes and builds are not well off there, but what seems to be getting you?


I think I'm one from five attempts on the Spiders' Nest... I've never died there but it's certainly really hard to clear at the levels I've been finding it, and mostly I end up having to run for it. The SEEE who cleared it nearly didn't, and assorted DDNes, SETms and SpArs have all been beaten back by that second big wave of spiders.

Back on-topic for just a second... today's lesson is that Felids make pretty interesting spellcasters! I rolled one at random and, after getting him (and, let us face it, a few more like him) killed, now I'm kinda hooked.
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Post Thursday, 31st March 2011, 13:42

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Foxfire is the ultimate in summonings, especially when you summon an army of red wasps. Nothing else in the game quite compares.

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Post Friday, 1st April 2011, 01:31

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If you are wearing a ring of teleportation, scrolls of teleportation will not work. ("You feel strangely stable.")

What is that, some sort of licensing dispute?

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Post Friday, 1st April 2011, 01:39

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If an enslaved killer bee larva kills something, it will get promoted to adult killer bee.

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Post Friday, 1st April 2011, 01:54

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A level 1 character with 27 stabs can 1 hit KO the royal jelly.

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Post Friday, 1st April 2011, 10:36

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Don't leave player ghosts with Summon Scorpions :o
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Post Friday, 1st April 2011, 11:01

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Also: Escape hatches are called that for a reason!
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Post Friday, 1st April 2011, 13:48

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Crystal ball of energy is awesome with Spirit and maxed out Evocations. As long as you watch your MP, you practically have semi-reliable regenerating shield. Semi-reliable because there is still that really small chance that you drain you remaining MP or drain your Int. All in all, though the crystal ball has its uses.
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