I think we learned an important lesson today.

[Psieye]

Hoping repeating it to myself will make it stop eventually.
Do not wield unidentified weapons (especially if you know you wont use them due to your skills or weapon class/type) out of curiosity.

Curiosity killed the cat, sent the minotaur to the abyss and made a human a vegan. - Popular Saying

If you absolutely must know, worship Ash and bind your weapon! This was a message sponsored by The Shattered Altar.

[Jeremiah]

Don't pacify a monster that's carrying equipment you want.

[Psieye]

Don't pacify a monster that's carrying equipment you want.

Elyvilon would disapprove of your worldly greed getting the better of you! However, she would approve of you pacifiying it when it's guaranteed to get killed off by its former comrades, and THEN pacifying them afterwards. Not that she particularly quibbles about it when you do something unbecoming of an ideal healer.

[Stormfox]

Curiosity killed the cat

Actually, playing Felids for a while will do a great job of forcing you to stop wielding unidentified weapons.

[Pereza0]

I noticed the inconsistency there, but I was hoping nobody else would heh

[adozu]

today i learned i you should pick up geryon's horn before messing around in the vestibule.

you know that deck nemelex just gave you? it's water and the game just decided for you if you should 3 or 15 rune it. good thing i didn't establish a stash yet.

[joellercoaster]

This is a lesson I have, shamefully, had to learn twice.

Don't autoexplore in the Lair unless a bee vault is not going to kill you. Gahh.

[Sandman25]

Do you think Amulet of Stasis is enough to deal with Grinder?
Not always. In my game he quaffed potion of speed and then used a wand of fire twice to decrease my health from 45 (100%) to 8.
Fortunately there was a door between us so I closed it, quaffed 2 potions of curing and started casting Lighting Bolts instead of Shock (I quaffed brilliance potion before the fight to be able to cast Lightnings if fight goes wrong). Grinder even called a small abomination before death, really unusual

[adozu]

don't use chaos branded weapons or random effect wand on enemies you don't need them for anyway. that ogre isn't getting any softer after you hasted it.

[Psieye]

Do you think Amulet of Stasis is enough to deal with Grinder?
Not always. In my game he quaffed potion of speed and then used a wand of fire twice to decrease my health from 45 (100%) to 8.
Fortunately there was a door between us so I closed it, quaffed 2 potions of curing and started casting Lighting Bolts instead of Shock (I quaffed brilliance potion before the fight to be able to cast Lightnings if fight goes wrong). Grinder even called a small abomination before death, really unusual

He read a scroll of unholy creation. I once died because a monster read one of those and the resulting abom HAPPENED to have speed 11.

don't use chaos branded weapons or random effect wand on enemies you don't need them for anyway. that ogre isn't getting any softer after you hasted it.

With chaos-branded weapons, haste isn't the worst outcome for you. "So you're going to whack a greater mummy with a chaos weapon? Well, NOW THERE'S TWO!" Yeah it cloned the target. It can also heal the target to full HP. I sure hope Xom would find it funny when that happens.

[Sandman25]

He read a scroll of unholy creation. I once died because a monster read one of those and the resulting abom HAPPENED to have speed 11.

Besides it does not help that we cannot see abomination parameters in the game. They change in very wide range.

I used chaos weapon today and got shafted while fighting a monster. I analyzed message log but still have no idea what happened. Perhaps the monster started fleeing and I automatically pursued it (I used Tab for the fight).

[BlackSheep]

No, the weapon shafted you. It can also do fun stuff like move the stairs out from under you. Also it can kill you.

[Sandman25]

No, the weapon shafted you. It can also do fun stuff like move the stairs out from under you. Also it can kill you.

Wow... Glad, I unequipped the weapon after that fight just in case. Not that saved my character though.

[nicolae]

No, the weapon shafted you. It can also do fun stuff like move the stairs out from under you. Also it can kill you.

I think the general rule here is that if something weird happens when you're wielding a chaos weapon, it was probably the chaos weapon. Is there a list somewhere of all the effects of a chaos brand? The crawlwiki has a list but it doesn't say anything about shafts or moving stairs.

[BlackSheep]

Not that I'm aware of, but the learndb entry mentions shafting (12) and high damage miscast effects (9). I only know about the stairs thing because I was looking at the code a few months ago when XuaXua was having some fun with the brand.
(Thank you, minmay, for removing bad_ideas... it loads so much faster now.)

[nokkonen]

Treat deep elf annihilators with respect, especially if you're a 78 hp spriggan.

[arcanist]

today i learned i you should pick up geryon's horn before messing around in the vestibule.

you know that deck nemelex just gave you? it's water and the game just decided for you if you should 3 or 15 rune it. good thing i didn't establish a stash yet.

If you have summon elemental spell, you can easily deal with this i guess

[BlackSheep]

By doing what? Summoning water elementals doesn't drain pools.

[Psieye]

Draining pools requires Fedhas Sunlight.

[Octobard]

Casting Ignite Poison when surrounded by your hydra meatshield is a very, very bad idea.

[rchandra]

Draining pools requires Fedhas Sunlight.

I found out yesterday the Tomb card drains water too. I don't know if you can use it to recover items.

[njvack]

That sounds like a bug.

[Utis]

Player ghosts can occur in the labyrinth, too.

(Knowing this means that I'll never enter the labyrinth again.)

[floatboth]

Vehumet won't help an Enchanter in the early to mid game. If you're not an extremely cautious player, don't plan on learning Conjurations from Vehumet or books you think you'll find. You might die before learning your first Conjurations spell. In a situation where another god might have helped.

[prozacelf]

Vehumet won't help an Enchanter

ftfy.

Seriously, don't try to cast offensive spells as an Enchanter until Vaults at minimum. Get Hexes and Stabbing and Stealth up to at least 13 before worrying about anything else.

[Psieye]

I suppose there's the stupidly niche case where an En wants Vehumet to give out the new Conj/Hex spells. A waste of a religion if an En actually does this, get a more suitable god.

[joellercoaster]

Spiny Worms' acid splash is very splashy, and also very acidic.

[joellercoaster]

Hill giant skeletons and ogre skeletons have the same tile.

[adozu]

same applies to troll skeletons and titan skeletons, i keep tab-suiciding due to such similarities :\

[Sandman25]

Don't throw away that Wand of Hasting if you are with Chei. You will need it for Trove and will have to forget the whole level and autoexplore it again to find that Orc Wizard who picked up the wand.

[varsovie]

Don't throw away that Wand of Hasting if you are with Chei. You will need it for Trove and will have to forget the whole level and autoexplore it again to find that Orc Wizard who picked up the wand.

Also can be used on your allies or foo (with slouch).

[rchandra]

Don't throw away that Wand of Hasting if you are with Chei. You will need it for Trove and will have to forget the whole level and autoexplore it again to find that Orc Wizard who picked up the wand.

Also can be used on your allies or foo (with slouch).

Not if you don't want chei to put you in penance.

[joellercoaster]

Frustration is as much of a killer as boredom.

[joellercoaster]

Also, it is entirely possible to fail to use an ability five times in a row at 54% fail.

[Sandman25]

Silver star can mutate you

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153854 | Zig:25   | Lost mutation: You have a fast metabolism. [a silver star]

[Psieye]

No, silver star can UNmutate you.

[Sandman25]

No, silver star can UNmutate you.

I guess it removes a random mutation. I had +2 Str, +1 Int, +2 Dex mutations also but it removed the only bad mutation I had

[Psieye]

While their roll is the most feared part of them, boulder beetles hit exactly as hard as stone giants in melee. That's harder than an elephant slug. Rushing into melee because you are afraid of the EV-ignoring 3d20 boulder rollup does not mean you are safe.

[joellercoaster]

Shapeshifters should be terminated with extreme prejudice. Because otherwise, suddenly Fire Crab.

[prozacelf]

While their roll is the most feared part of them, boulder beetles hit exactly as hard as stone giants in melee. That's harder than an elephant slug. Rushing into melee because you are afraid of the EV-ignoring 3d20 boulder rollup does not mean you are safe.

I once thought it was safe to melee a boulder beetle after it stopped rolling (with an XL 12(ish) Skald). How sadly wrong I was.

[Sandman25]

Don't throw away Amulet of Stasis to have extra space in inventory if you don't want to get this:

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178141 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
178153 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
178173 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
178181 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
178189 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
178196 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
178203 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
178251 | Zig:23   | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns

Though I threw away the amulet because I had Ice Storm but then I decided I should try spell-less zig...

[prozacelf]

WOW that sucks. LOL......it wasn't even a cool beast that paralyzed you.

That sounds like a cheap D:4 death instead of something that happens in a Zig.

[Sandman25]

WOW that sucks. LOL......it wasn't even a cool beast that paralyzed you.

That sounds like a cheap D:4 death instead of something that happens in a Zig.

I could swap for MR ring, but I did not realize the paralyzes lasted that many turns so I continued wearing 2 regeneration rings. Having 60+ AC and 35+ EV along with preservation cloak allowed to have at least 50% hp for the whole floor. Though it was dangerous indeed, some unlucky rolls could have killed me.

[Sandman25]

Giant eyeball paralysis does not check MR.

Thank you! I had to check knowledge bot, wiki does not mention this very important fact. I had many fear scrolls, I think I should have used them.

[joellercoaster]

All those people who tell you not to walk around wearing a ring of ice are right, even if it is a randart giving you +3 INT.

Gahh.

[prozacelf]

Wow. Glad that Giant Eyeballs never ruined me. And, yes, the wiki kinda sucks. I spent.....um....8 or so mos using the wiki more than the forums...... Anyway, the people here will generally help you out.