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Post Tuesday, 1st February 2011, 10:33

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

You can change your body armour while levitating.

If you put on an amulet of stasis while hasted, you get glowed.

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Post Wednesday, 2nd February 2011, 08:44

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

If an missile of dispersal is shot into a bush, the bush will blink.
I can prove this with a screenshot.

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Post Wednesday, 2nd February 2011, 09:22

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Silent spectres make boggarts _much_ less dangerous.
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Post Wednesday, 2nd February 2011, 10:09

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Traps skill 9 is no guarantee that you won't blunder into a Zot trap on DL 19 and get banished.

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Post Thursday, 3rd February 2011, 13:25

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Grimm wrote:Traps skill 9 is no guarantee that you won't blunder into a Zot trap on DL 19 and get banished.


I'll add: If you draw a legendary minefield card...
... searching a couple of times isn't guaranteed to find all the traps, even at skill 8.
... the one you step on could well be a trap door
... when you travel back up to the level, remember to steer clear of where you drew the card (legendary minefield + 20 evocations skill has a lot of range, apparently)
... you might very well step on a Zot trap
... which might well banish you.
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Post Thursday, 3rd February 2011, 14:06

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Do not test a crystal ball at an empty location where you just made some loud noise. :oops:
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Post Thursday, 3rd February 2011, 18:16

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DO NOT shout in the Orb's Vault to attract that Orb of Fire to your Oklob Farm without getting in its line of sight. Doing the latter is a far safer idea.
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Post Friday, 4th February 2011, 20:40

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Felids can use Tome of destruction.
Tome of destruction can disappear in a fiery explosion.

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Post Friday, 4th February 2011, 23:33

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

A ring of sustain abilities will not in fact prevent an orange crystal statue from reducing your intelligence below zero.

This doesn't seem right to me.

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Post Saturday, 5th February 2011, 00:31

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Yeah. Also, even though the grapevine will tell you that having at least 8 of every stat will save you from stat death... it is wrong. It is horribly wrong. Stats can go into the negatives as far as they need to.

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Post Saturday, 5th February 2011, 01:05

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Grimm wrote:A ring of sustain abilities will not in fact prevent an orange crystal statue from reducing your intelligence below zero.

This doesn't seem right to me.


it only halves stat loss (rounded down), so stat losses greater than one will continue to drop your stats, just by less. might want to shell out for that wand of disintegration.

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Post Saturday, 5th February 2011, 01:18

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Meant to quote not thank - anyway, I was packing a disint wand, and was attempting to charge the horrid thing in order to take it down. What I was lacking was an amulet of clarity: I got confused right off the bat and by the time I got unconfused I was -1 Int. It was only a few turns after that that I "forgot to breathe". And isn't there a potion that brings stats back up? I should have packed one of those in my bag lunch.

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Post Saturday, 5th February 2011, 01:20

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Grimm wrote:Meant to quote not thank - anyway, I was packing a disint wand, and was attempting to charge the horrid thing in order to take it down. What I was lacking was an amulet of clarity: I got confused right off the bat and by the time I got unconfused I was -1 Int. It was only a few turns after that that I "forgot to breathe". And isn't there a potion that brings stats back up? I should have packed one of those in my bag lunch.


i always carry a royal jelly with me rather than pack around the potion.

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Post Saturday, 5th February 2011, 01:30

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I had a ton of those in stash. Colour me "D'oh!".
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Post Saturday, 5th February 2011, 04:02

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The gods care not a wit if you happen to be floating over deep water or lava when they grant a gift.

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Post Sunday, 6th February 2011, 06:20

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On rare occasions, Jellies can be generated on Lair 1. (Step. "You hear a slurping noise. x8" Step. "You hear a slurping noise. x6" Wait, what?!)
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Post Monday, 7th February 2011, 00:30

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"The necrophage eats the human corpse of Josephine."

Necrophages are carnivorous... apparently. I'm disturbed. o_o
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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 02:44

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mageykun wrote:"The necrophage eats the human corpse of Josephine."

Necrophages are carnivorous... apparently. I'm disturbed. o_o

quick etymology lesson- necro = death, phage = eat(usually used to describe WHAT something eats) so literally, it means "death eater". in this specific scenario i would take "death" to be synonymous with "decay" and would therefore expect the thing to eat rotting corpses - analogous to the "saprovore" trait some races have.

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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 03:07

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saprovore is the PC term for people we used to call necrophages
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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 03:37

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marikvulpina wrote:
mageykun wrote:"The necrophage eats the human corpse of Josephine."

Necrophages are carnivorous... apparently. I'm disturbed. o_o

quick etymology lesson- necro = death, phage = eat(usually used to describe WHAT something eats) so literally, it means "death eater". in this specific scenario i would take "death" to be synonymous with "decay" and would therefore expect the thing to eat rotting corpses - analogous to the "saprovore" trait some races have.


And I would say 'Necrophage' sounds way cooler than 'Death Eater'. JK Rowling, take note of this.

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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 04:13

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The really odd thing of course, is that I was disturbed by a monster eating a corpse in a genre where you murder and eat pretty much everything and everyone you come across.

I knew this, and it still bothered me. Thanks, Crawl. It's those little touches that make a difference.

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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 04:24

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Yes, you butcher them with proper utensils first. There's no need to be uncivilized about it.

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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 04:30

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when will forks become available
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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 05:06

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Nah, it isn't the butchering that makes a difference. I'm an old nethacker- I'm used to digging face first into a still warm pile of mostly intact gnome. :p (Though seriously- ew).

I guess it takes the game holding up an unthinking, undead, flesh eating monstrosity as a grinning mirror to yourself to bring the creepiness home.

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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 05:15

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"warm pile of gnome"

damn I love the way that rolls off the tongue
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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 11:44

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mageykun wrote:Nah, it isn't the butchering that makes a difference. I'm an old nethacker- I'm used to digging face first into a still warm pile of mostly intact gnome. :p (Though seriously- ew).

Yeah. We should rename the necrophage monster to "nethacker" :)
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Post Tuesday, 8th February 2011, 23:53

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Yeah. Also, even though the grapevine will tell you that having at least 8 of every stat will save you from stat death... it is wrong. It is horribly wrong. Stats can go into the negatives as far as they need to.


Back from when stat death was instantaneous when your stat hit 0 or below, 8 is the minimum you need to not get one-shotted by a high-level necromancy miscast (usually ala mega-mummy in the tomb). If you had 8 or more you could have a turn to quaff that restore abilities potion before the next blast. But as you note this is pretty irrelevant now. If you didn't do any necromancy and never go the tomb it was pretty useless information then too.

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Post Wednesday, 9th February 2011, 06:13

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Orc warriors can come equipped with pretty nice artifact polearms which will cause them to be far more dangerous to you than orc warriors normally are. Fatal, in fact.
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Post Wednesday, 9th February 2011, 20:44

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It never occurred to me to cast haunt on one of my spammels to get around the whole target requirement thing. This feels like cheating now :?

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Post Thursday, 10th February 2011, 20:06

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Man I have to gripe about this: the Temple is on DL 7, AND SO IS A HYDRA. I'm being denied my right to freely practice my religion by a mythological being. How ironic is that.
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Post Thursday, 10th February 2011, 21:36

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If you have Unarmed Combat at 24, you're in Statue Form and you miss Aizul half a dozen times in a row, something is not what it seems.
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Post Thursday, 10th February 2011, 22:07

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Also: Even if you just walked through the Shoals like it weren't no thang (pretty beaches!), the Slime Pits can get gnarly in a hurry.
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Post Friday, 11th February 2011, 00:05

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Ettins do 45 damage per attack, and get two per turn. This means that if they get a double pulse and land 3 hits, your elf is toast.

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Post Friday, 11th February 2011, 00:19

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elf toast good snack for hungry ettin
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Post Friday, 11th February 2011, 09:03

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coyo7e wrote:Ettins do 45 damage per attack, and get two per turn. This means that if they get a double pulse and land 3 hits, your elf is toast.

Monsters shouldn't be able to attack you twice because of energy randomisation.
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Post Friday, 11th February 2011, 09:36

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Lee's Rapid Deconstruction doesn't work on slime-covered walls!

[edit: though it still completely rocks the house in Vaults:8 :mrgreen:]
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Post Friday, 11th February 2011, 10:04

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galehar wrote:
coyo7e wrote:Ettins do 45 damage per attack, and get two per turn. This means that if they get a double pulse and land 3 hits, your elf is toast.

Monsters shouldn't be able to attack you twice because of energy randomisation.

But they are able to attack you twice because of other reasons, mainly your attack/movement speed being slower than yours.
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Post Friday, 11th February 2011, 17:13

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Blade Hands seriously lowers your spellcasting chances.

HELLLOOOO MUTATIONS!

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Post Friday, 11th February 2011, 20:55

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FOrtunately, it also seriously increases your chances of ripping your enemies into tiny bits.

HELLLLOOOO GERYON!
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Post Monday, 14th February 2011, 00:07

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Don't read unidentified scrolls as a Hill Orc Priest of Beogh with your army close by. Beogh might forgive you if that scroll of immolation gives you and your buddies a nice tan, your knights won't be quite as forgivable...

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Post Monday, 14th February 2011, 07:11

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The zap hits the hobgoblin.The hobgoblin appears unharmed0
The zap hits the hobgoblin.The hobgoblin appears unharmed.
The zap hits the hobgoblin.The hobgoblin is lightly wounded


Just because you can chain up a trizap with Shock doesn't actually mean it's gonna do shit to the monster you hit.

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Post Monday, 14th February 2011, 08:08

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Pandemonium Lords, while they may be two tiles tall, fit comfortably into one-tile corridors :oops:
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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 03:11

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Apparently stabbing a jelly does not stop a you from getting splashed with acid and corroding your weapon.

I've though for ages it does. I guess I've just been lucky all this time...

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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 20:03

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Just because you know a weapon isn't cursed, doesn't mean it doesn't have a distortion brand. And lichs can apparently make an appearance in the abyss.

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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 20:39

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Bushes can blink.

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Post Thursday, 17th February 2011, 23:06

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Menkaure, although undead, can follow you upstairs. Caveat pugnator.
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Post Friday, 18th February 2011, 22:23

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Using step from time in a wizlab might not be such a good idea.

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Post Friday, 18th February 2011, 22:43

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Holy bejeezus. Hopefully you've got a teleport or blink to get you out of there.
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Post Friday, 18th February 2011, 22:45

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... 0_0

Stab them! Stab them all!

Or more sanely, blink to the other side of the door, close it, and get the hell out of there. Seriously. That screenshot is terrifying.
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