I think we learned an important lesson today.


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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 04:30

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Another great target for polymorph: summoners. An orc high priest transmutes quite nicely to a giant amoeba.

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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 04:57

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Poison weapons are very helpful in the Lair because so many beasts run away from you when they are close to death. When a crowd of creatures does this repeatedly it can get very tiresome. Poison them and watch those death yaks drop to their knees at fifty paces.

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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 06:21

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

If you are levitating from a ring and you put on an amulet of controlled flight, your status changes from Lev to Fly.
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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 13:51

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

robotdinosaur wrote:drinking one of 5 potions because you think it is a healing pot in a fight and having it be a potion of paralasis sucks.
that is all.


To paraphrase - the most frequent potion you have picked up is usually health or healing, except of course when you need it to be.
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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 15:34

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Tab-Spamming to get rid of the green rats in lair is convenient.
It's less convenient when there is a 8-headead hydra lurking around the corner that you fail to notice.
3 free attackrounds for a hydra = YASD!

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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 16:17

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Never enter the lair. There might be a Spriggan Druid there, who will kill you even though you are wielding a god gift great mace of protection while berserking and even though you have successfully slaughtered everything else so far.

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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 16:37

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Never enter the lair.

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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 17:58

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Do monsters get an attack round if you come down the 1st time? :D
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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 20:03

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Schxuschxu wrote:Never enter the lair. There might be a Spriggan Druid there, who will kill you even though you are wielding a god gift great mace of protection while berserking and even though you have successfully slaughtered everything else so far.

:evil:


I bet you were standing next to one or more trees. Lure him out next time.
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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 21:50

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Orc Warriors can hit for 21 dmg.
I knew they were tough, but thats just an obscene amount of damage ;>
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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 22:16

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Just because you defeated Lair, Orc, Swamp, Shoals, Vaults 1-8 and level 1 of Crypt doesn't mean you can just waltz into the Hall of Blades and not get your ass handed to you.
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Post Tuesday, 28th June 2011, 23:32

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I found a pearl dragon armor on D:2. Thought it'd have to be a mimic. It wasn't! Tried to put it on, was dead from a snake by the time I was finished putting it on. Lesson learned? Don't put on large armor in an unexplored dungeon when you're level 2.

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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 01:23

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Inner flame is a suicide spell. Up to 60 damage from a level 3 spell (which appears to be capable of full damage regardless of spell power) with high potential for self-injury.

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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 03:07

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

I found a pearl dragon armor on D:2. Thought it'd have to be a mimic. It wasn't! Tried to put it on, was dead from a snake by the time I was finished putting it on. Lesson learned? Don't put on large armor in an unexplored dungeon when you're level 2.

That really sucks.

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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 03:24

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My basic policy is: go upstairs to try on new armours.

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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 05:37

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

There's no other sensible approach.
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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 06:18

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Paralysis needles are ridiculous. They can paralyse ANYTHING.

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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 09:43

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Don't spam a deck of wonders with a Spriggan Wizard. Having 5 Int thanks to shuffle is unawesome.
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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 13:05

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MonorailCat wrote:Don't spam a deck of wonders with a Spriggan Wizard. Having 5 Int thanks to shuffle is unawesome.


Do spam a deck of wonders as a trMo after finding 3 useful spell books.
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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 16:43

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MonorailCat wrote:Don't spam a deck of wonders with a Spriggan Wizard. Having 5 Int thanks to shuffle is unawesome.


That is the worst card of complete suck. Wonders my ass.
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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 17:02

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

When i was leveling my mage, i came across some plants. Nice to level my fighting ability i thought. But they kept blinking / porting away after 1-5 hits. This due a distortion weapon. I thought 'lets just unwield it' .

Died in the same round due <43 hp. :(


@putting armour on: aint it a bit silly your character would keep putting it on while under attack? lol, good thing i read it here and can prevent this myself, didn't know about it :O

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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 17:10

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MonorailCat wrote:Orc Warriors can hit for 21 dmg.
I knew they were tough, but thats just an obscene amount of damage ;>



An orc priest can do 20 damage - with a dagger. I wouldn't be surprised if an orc warrior with a big weapon could do a lot more than that.
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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 17:52

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speciesxx wrote:@putting armour on: aint it a bit silly your character would keep putting it on while under attack? lol, good thing i read it here and can prevent this myself, didn't know about it :O


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Post Wednesday, 29th June 2011, 19:28

Re: I think we learned an important lesson today.

Don't start playing crawl "just for 5 minutes" while you're meant to be doing something else.

"I'll just load the game and see what's down on the next level, while I wait for this to cook... I'll just see if I can survive this ogre... I'll just see what's in that shop... oh what's that smell of burning coming from the kitchen?" :shock:

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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 00:11

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dont play around with the "grey disc" in narrow corridors. Self-Killed my XL15 Spriggan with 1 use :(
Should have checked the CrawlWiki first ;>
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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 09:45

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The worst and the deadiest confusion is in you, not in the character you play. Crawl is not the game you could play when tired.
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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 12:01

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MyOtheHedgeFox wrote:Crawl is not the game you could play when tired.

Of course you can. Your games will be a lot shorter though :twisted:
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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 12:33

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In general, unless you have the Big Guns(tm), it's a bad idea to get into baseline rallies with conjuring uniques.

(ie., don't bring a wand of cold to a Hellfire fight).
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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 14:02

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If you quaff ID a potion a potion of mutation and get berserk, deformed body and -10% mana, do not quaff the second mut potion in pique. Crawl will punish you by adding teleportities and -1dex.
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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 14:14

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Yet Another Stupid Noob wrote:If you quaff ID a potion a potion of mutation and get berserk, deformed body and -10% mana, do not quaff the second mut potion in pique. Crawl will punish you by adding teleportities and -1dex.


I've had this happen enough times that I am no longer quaff-id'ing until I've scroll id'd mutation and cure mutation. Especially after my last game where I got 3 bad mutations from a polymorph wand and had just quaff id'd the only cure mutation potion I'd find for 35 levels (I died before I found another). I'd love to see cure mutation potions as some vault treasures.
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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 19:49

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oh man I feel stupid right now.
I always thought you could only learn 11 Spells maximum (the one row on the right in tiles layout) ..
until just now, where I "accidentally" learned a 12th spell and a new row appeared.
wow, my previous games could have been so much easier.
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Post Friday, 1st July 2011, 22:41

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Just because the last ten Spider Nests I did weren't that hard doesn't mean this one will be easy either. Without Mephitic and/or Poison Resist, that pack of Centipedes can actually be startling dangerous.
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Post Saturday, 2nd July 2011, 13:53

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Try to learn something new to your character only when your fundament skills are strong enough.
Advance in magic schools only when your basic spellcasting skills are fairly competent, learn the magic schools which are used by the largest number of the spells known to you, and do not spread your forces early on.
Choosing the strong points you want to obtain is important from the very beginning. You would not like to spend your free neurons learning how to throw a frisbee far enough when your profession is Python programmer and there is a huge project ahead.
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Force yourself to read more. Reading teaches you to read, or actually to see deeper instead of skimming through what you see. Many adventurers and even more people were lost, being the victims of their inattentiveness.
There are free Internet libraries for a reason, for a very good reason. Try http://gutenberg.org , in example. If you have a chance to buy yourself a nice cheap non-DRM-restricted E-book reader and you think you will not feel guilty about having it later on, buy it and fill its 2 GB drive with a lot of good old free books you wanted to read. And read them one by one, one by one, slowly and carefully, sometimes letting yourself stop to think about something you have just read.
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Post Wednesday, 6th July 2011, 00:12

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Kinda surprised the thread I started has grown into this monster. ;)

Anyhow, what I learned today: While daggers and quick blades won't cut a hydra's head off, a Felid's itty bitty kitty claws will. I realised this after a short burst of berkserker tab fu, and shortly before I was running away from a 19-headed hydra on Lair:1.

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Post Wednesday, 6th July 2011, 13:00

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It is often useful to stash excess scrolls, food, potions, etc. Your one source of mutation resistance though? Keep that in your backpack.

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Post Friday, 8th July 2011, 17:36

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Note to self: do not use Decks of Escape on the stairs to the Ecumenical Temple when you've just created a stash there (or any other single entrance location you'd really like to return to some day.) Entombment wall tiles and/or warpwright teleport traps will leave you feeling...frustrated.

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Post Friday, 8th July 2011, 23:01

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Being at full health with Statue Form at Good still leaves a chance for you to be paralysed by a miscast and killed by a single Eye of Devastation before you have even begun to fight.

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Zuboki wrote:Being at full health with Statue Form at Good still leaves a chance for you to be paralysed by a miscast and killed by a single Eye of Devastation before you have even begun to fight.

Casting any spell at "good" is asking for a miscast.
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Post Saturday, 9th July 2011, 20:43

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If you are a Naga Berserker (or any other Naga, for that matter), never under any circumstances equip any gear that makes it impossible to teleport. Not even if it's goddamned Maxwell's Patent Armor.

Should you equip that fixart armor anyway and then - through some insane hours-long streak of good luck - manage to grab the Orb with more runes than you have ever had before, take that fucker off immediately, lest your now hideously-mutated Slowness 3 ass end being completely and utterly surrounded by Pan lords, Executioners, and Fiends who will torment and freeze-cloud and just plain nickel-and-dime the everliving shit out of you, all while you sit there holding what passes for a Naga's dick and thinking "Duh, wish I could teleport or something".

(hangs head in shame)

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Post Sunday, 10th July 2011, 03:59

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Speaking of minotaur berserkers - I am doing SO much better with a MiBe than I was with MDFi's (my previous default heavy armored fighter). Demon trident + heavy shield: thematically/visually awesome and super effective.

Even survived my unplanned trip to the abyss. Don't worry Trog, I still appreciate that executioner's axe of distortion.

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When you are casting Ozocubu's Refrigeration to kill some deep trolls after barely escaping from Mennas, watch your HP. There is nothing more shameful for an Ice Wizard than freezing himself to death with his own spell.
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ProZocK wrote:When you are casting Ozocubu's Refrigeration to kill some deep trolls after barely escaping from Mennas, watch your HP. There is nothing more shameful for an Ice Wizard than freezing himself to death with his own spell.


Were you standing in Freezing Vapor? That can still hurt even with rF+++
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Post Monday, 11th July 2011, 03:51

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XuaXua wrote:
ProZocK wrote:When you are casting Ozocubu's Refrigeration to kill some deep trolls after barely escaping from Mennas, watch your HP. There is nothing more shameful for an Ice Wizard than freezing himself to death with his own spell.


Were you standing in Freezing Vapor? That can still hurt even with rF+++


Ozocubu's refrigeration will damage everything on the screen, including you. Its susually negligible, especially with rc+++, but spamming it while low on health...not a good idea as I learned...

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Post Monday, 11th July 2011, 05:22

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The anaconda that barely inconvenienced your melee characters WILL squeeze the life out of your squishy conjurer before you even realize what's happening.
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Post Tuesday, 12th July 2011, 07:59

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Lesson: there are always several more Annihilators in any given Elf:5 vault than you remembered from last time.

Corollary: do not do Elf:5 when physically exhausted and having had a couple of glasses of wine.

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Post Tuesday, 12th July 2011, 11:53

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teleport other cast by a Naga Mage on Snake:5 is no joke ..
or let's say it that way: teleport traps or teleport other on any branch end is an adrenaline kick.
have to find me some stasis ..
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Post Tuesday, 12th July 2011, 12:20

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MonorailCat wrote:teleport other cast by a Naga Mage on Snake:5 is no joke ..
or let's say it that way: teleport traps or teleport other on any branch end is an adrenaline kick.
have to find me some stasis ..

High MR protects against it too.
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Post Tuesday, 12th July 2011, 17:23

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If you see the enclosed Xom vault on D:7 with all the weird creatures in it, that is a shapeshifter vault.

RUN THE F--K AWAY because one of those bastards will turn into a boring beetle and eat them the hell out of that vault!
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Post Tuesday, 12th July 2011, 18:09

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A gate to Hell can appear as early as D:12 and feature a hellion as a guard. This hellion will burn you to death from a distance.

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