How Large is the STR slay boost?

[bcadren]

IDK how to use fsim and would like some numbers. People say it's not worth it, but...IDK the numbers and would like to see them to judge.

[Berder]

1 slaying = 2-3 strength, generally. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16344&p=224197

[bcadren]

1 slaying = 2-3 strength, generally. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16344&p=224197

I was asking because FeFi seemed better than other Fe for melee despite the only difference being strength...

[Berder]

That rule of thumb is for using a weapon. It may be different with UC; just fsim it. Get a +5 ring of slaying and record your damage, then remove the ring and adjust your str upwards until you get the same amount of damage.

[Hurkyl]

For the record, str acts differently than slaying:

• Str affects damage more than it affects accuracy
• The effect of Str is randomized in a way that the median hit is lower than the mean; more precisely, the majority of hits tend to be weaker, and you occasionally get hits for big or rarely massive damage

so looking at AvEffDam doesn't tell the whole story, although I'm not sure exactly what the practical difference is, nor how significant.

[starless]

For unarmed combat damage, both STR and DEX come into play from what I remember.

[Lasty]

An easy comparison between Str and Slaying will probably be wrong. Strength's effect is a multiplier, so how good Str is depends on things like base weapon damage, amount of Fighting skill, and amount of weapon skill. It's value compared with slaying goes down as all three factors go down, and also as monster EV goes up. As one single data point checked by two other people in IRC, for a great mace w/ 20 Fighting and 20 M&F, +10 Str seems to be worth ~+8 slaying against (IIRC) low EV/high AC enemies.

[Berder]

An easy comparison between Str and Slaying will probably be wrong. Strength's effect is a multiplier, so how good Str is depends on things like base weapon damage, amount of Fighting skill, and amount of weapon skill. It's value compared with slaying goes down as all three factors go down, and also as monster EV goes up. As one single data point checked by two other people in IRC, for a great mace w/ 20 Fighting and 20 M&F, +10 Str seems to be worth ~+8 slaying against (IIRC) low EV/high AC enemies.

But as you say that's only against low-ev enemies. Against higher ev enemies I think you'd find that even a great mace is closer to 5 slaying per 10 str.

For a +9 GSC in 0.16, with 13 str, 10 dex, 22 m&f and 15 fighting, you find that +10 str is equivalent to +5 slaying vs a yak. That's on the high end of str value because 13 str is a low amount for a GSC-wielder, a GSC is highly str weighted, a yak has middling evasion (7), and the fighting and m&f skills are high.

For a +9 demon blade, with 13 str, 10 dex, 14 long blades and 10 fighting, you find that +10 str is equivalent to +3 slaying vs a yak.

You could construct edge cases where str is more or less valuable, but the rule of thumb appears to be 3-5 slaying per 10 str, for non-shortblades at mindelay.