How to win a chaos knight


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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 03:09

How to win a chaos knight

What is the best statigy for wining a chaos knight? Should I renouce religion on floor 1? Stick with Xom the whole game?
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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 03:20

Re: How to win a chaos knight

Swap your chaos weapon with the first decent available asap, identify Tele and haste asap, play normally hoping you get things from xom that aren't demons on d. 4
Oh, maybe keep also a backup weapon in inventory in case he decides to swap yours with some enemy
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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 03:21

Re: How to win a chaos knight

choose Troll

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 04:39

Re: How to win a chaos knight

nago wrote:Swap your chaos weapon with the first decent available asap, identify Tele and haste asap, play normally hoping you get things from xom that aren't demons on d. 4
Oh, maybe keep also a backup weapon in inventory in case he decides to swap yours with some enemy


Weapon swapping was removed (as long ago as 0.14, I think?) AFAIK -- too annoying. Xom only swaps characters (inc. player) now.
+1 on getting rid of chaos weapon, using chaos brand is a very reliable way to die.
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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 05:02

Re: How to win a chaos knight

I think using a chaos weapon can be helpful with Xom, not because they are great, but because if it goes badly it amuses Xom, which will give him better drops.
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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 07:51

Re: How to win a chaos knight

no point in better drops when you are dead

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 08:00

Re: How to win a chaos knight

Sar wrote:no point in better drops when you are dead

Exactly why you shouldn't try to entertain Xom. Crate IIRC once gave the advice to play Xomites as if they had no god, and this way of thinking has worked best for me so far. Trying to entertain Xom mainly just resulted in YAISDs.
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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 15:31

Re: How to win a chaos knight

+1 on "choose Troll, play normally." I thought I'd won a CK; maybe it was offline. If he doesn't outright kill you (which he will, sometimes) I remember him being better than no god.

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 16:56

Re: How to win a chaos knight

How to win a CK:
1: Ditch chaos weapon at first opportunity. If you've planning a stabber build, this weapon may actually be useful to you later on, but it's too dangerous to use early.
2: Kite, a lot. Xom does a lot of stuff based on tension. Scary monsters in LOS create tension. So kiting is especially useful for a Xomite, because he'll take that opportunity to do stuff that helps you.
3: Think about escaping earlier than usual. Xom finds it funny to send hostile demons after you, as well as heavily damage you from time to time. So you don't want to spend much time at low HP, if you can help it.
4: Aside from 2 and 3, play normally. Don't quaff unid'd potions to amuse xom, don't worry about xom getting bored, just play at your normal pace.
5: You're going to get teleported around. A lot. Just another reason to try to stay at high HP, be very careful on floors with scary vaults, as Xom may well teleport you directly into them. This makes Zot 5 especially interesting...
1a: That chaos weapon you ditched early on is a very powerful weapon if you're playing a stabber build, it's a pretty good way to incapacitate normally difficult to hex monsters later in the game. Just make sure you're prepared to deal with double the trouble you're in, because it could duplicate, haste, berserk, or otherwise enhance your enemy...

Xom is helpful and also really dangerous early on. He stays just about at the same level of helpfulness throughout the game, but he gets less dangerous as you get stronger, since you'll be more able to escape the bad stuff. He'll give you a lot of good mutations over time, as well as any number of random gifts, some of which will probably be helpful.

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 16:58

Re: How to win a chaos knight

I lost my KoCK after xom teleported me into 3 oof and turned me into an ice beast. I had decent rf+ from gear but that all got melded so I got roasted in a turn w/o being able to react. So yes, Zot5 is quite interesting indeed.

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 17:00

Re: How to win a chaos knight

Probably we need amulet of being self which makes you immune to polymorph.

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 17:07

Re: How to win a chaos knight

The sad thing is I am pretty sure Xom considered it to be helpful to turn me into an ice beast...

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 17:12

Re: How to win a chaos knight

pickled_heretic wrote:The sad thing is I am pretty sure Xom considered it to be helpful to turn me into an ice beast...


Were you teddy bear? It is a bug then I think.

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 18:12

Re: How to win a chaos knight

I could look at my morgue which is not available at this moment, but I am pretty sure being ice formed is considered a "helpful" action in general even though in this circumstance it was pretty much the worst thing that could have possibly happened.

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 18:16

Re: How to win a chaos knight

This is what I meant as bug. It should be good in Lair and Lair branches (probably Crypt also), bad in Vaults/Elf/Depths and extremely bad in Zot.

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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 19:05

Re: How to win a chaos knight

Renounce religion on turn 1.
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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 19:22

Re: How to win a chaos knight

Rast wrote:Renounce religion on turn 1.


Doesn't Xom Wrath simply consist of still worshiping Xom without being able to unworship in perpetuity?
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Post Monday, 8th June 2015, 19:58

Re: How to win a chaos knight

I think Xom is generally mean during wrath, but sometimes decides to be nice because Xom, and is eventually mollified.
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Post Wednesday, 10th June 2015, 13:53

Re: How to win a chaos knight

My experience is that turn 1 abandonment makes it extra likely that you get D:1 sixfery or some other absurdly fatal Xom action.

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Post Wednesday, 10th June 2015, 20:29

Re: How to win a chaos knight

The odds aren't too bad. I wouldn't try it on a streak, though.

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Post Wednesday, 10th June 2015, 23:10

Re: How to win a chaos knight

I've had success going UC Ghoul and ditching Xom as soon as I find a good fast god (e.g., Yred). As a ghoul, most of what Xom does to you when he/she/it is pissed can be handled by just nomming on a cockroach. And once you get a couple meatshields, you can usually get away from the nastier summons.


Update: Yep. Xom is off my back again. I got off easy, looking back at what was dropped. Putz is just a normal Yred ghoul happily chewing his way through Lair at this point. Yay. Maybe I'll ditch Yred for Mak and go 15 runes.

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Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Putz, the Ghoul Chaos Knight, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1
   108 | D:1      | XOM: divination: detect creatures
   217 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 2/2
   240 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
   532 | D:1      | XOM: divination: detect creatures
   601 | D:1      | XOM: harmless Necr miscast
   613 | D:1      | XOM: mild Hex miscast
   622 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
   697 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/31 MP: 3/3
   779 | D:1      | XOM: colour smoke trail
   800 | D:1      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
   906 | D:2      | Reached skill level 2 in Stealth
   983 | D:2      | XOM: potion effect (curing)
   986 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 38/38 MP: 3/3
  1115 | D:2      | XOM: harmless Summ miscast
  1128 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  1302 | D:2      | XOM: harmless Summ miscast
  1931 | D:3      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  1932 | D:3      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  1943 | D:3      | Fell from the grace of Xom
  1943 | D:3      | Became a worshipper of Yredelemnul the Dark
  2047 | D:3      | XOM: medium Tloc miscast
  2055 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/45 MP: 4/4
  2095 | D:3      | XOM: medium Air miscast
  2480 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  2555 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2562 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2562 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  2562 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 20/49 MP: 5/5
  2646 | D:4      | XOM: medium Trmt miscast
  2842 | D:4      | XOM: noise
  2869 | D:4      | Acquired Yredelemnul's first power
  3052 | D:4      | Noticed Menkaure
  3062 | D:4      | Killed Menkaure
  3062 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  3062 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 6/56 MP: 5/5
  3471 | D:4      | XOM: mild Conj miscast
  3612 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3655 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  4206 | D:5      | Reached skill level 2 in Invocations
  4285 | D:5      | Found Shryhepayxt's Assorted Antiques.
  4303 | D:5      | Bought a lead wand for 84 gold pieces
  4303 | D:5      | Bought a grey potion for 18 gold pieces
  4303 | D:5      | Bought a fizzy purple potion for 18 gold pieces
  4303 | D:5      | Bought a bone wand for 84 gold pieces
  4303 | D:5      | Bought a smoky yellow potion for 18 gold pieces
  4404 | D:5      | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  4489 | D:5      | Reached skill level 3 in Invocations
  4620 | D:5      | XOM: summons 2 hostile shadow creatures
  4681 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 58/61 MP: 10/10
  4792 | D:5      | Bought a scroll labeled KUEDIWNUILI for 21 gold pieces
  5159 | D:6      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  5438 | D:6      | Reached skill level 4 in Invocations
  5633 | D:6      | XOM: summons 4 hostile shadow creatures
  5828 | D:6      | XOM: noise
  5912 | D:7      | Reached skill level 2 in Armour
  6040 | D:7      | Acquired Yredelemnul's second power
  6137 | D:7      | Reached skill level 3 in Armour
  6137 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
  6259 | D:7      | Found Uviup's Magic Scroll Emporium.
  6267 | D:7      | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 42 gold pieces
  6267 | D:7      | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces
  6309 | D:7      | XOM: medium Summ miscast
  6352 | D:7      | XOM: noise
  6560 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  6642 | D:7      | XOM: medium Erth miscast
  6912 | D:8      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  6920 | D:8      | Reached skill level 4 in Armour
  6951 | D:8      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/70 MP: 13/13
  7110 | D:8      | XOM: mild Divn miscast
  7134 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  7134 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
  7189 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  7203 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  7577 | D:8      | XOM: medium Air miscast
  7815 | D:8      | Reached skill level 6 in Armour
  8346 | Lair:1   | XOM: confusion (+ monsters)
  8422 | Lair:1   | Acquired Yredelemnul's third power
  8515 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 10. HP: 76/76 MP: 14/14
  8523 | Lair:1   | Noticed a komodo dragon
  8535 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
  8535 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
  8968 | Lair:1   | Noticed a komodo dragon
  9023 | Lair:1   | XOM: enchant monster (bad)
  9060 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 7 in Armour
  9152 | Lair:2   | XOM: mild Summ miscast
  9308 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  9332 | Lair:1   | Noticed an oklob plant
  9818 | Lair:1   | Killed a komodo dragon
  9955 | Lair:1   | Acquired Yredelemnul's fourth power
 10168 | Lair:1   | Killed a komodo dragon
 10171 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
 10220 | Lair:1   | XOM: harmless Conj miscast
 10225 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 8 in Armour
 10225 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
 10288 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 47/90 MP: 15/15
 10294 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Yredelemnul
 10547 | Lair:1   | XOM: mild Trmt miscast
 10556 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
 10564 | Lair:1   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 10574 | Lair:1   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 10831 | Lair:1   | Acquired Yredelemnul's fifth power
 10923 | Lair:2   | Noticed Gastronok
 11221 | Lair:2   | Killed Gastronok
 11221 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
 11221 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 9 in Armour
 11223 | Lair:2   | XOM: medium Air miscast
 11241 | Lair:2   | XOM: mild Summ miscast
 11286 | Lair:2   | Your ally Gastronok died
 11640 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Yredelemnul
 11846 | Lair:2   | XOM: medium Conj miscast
 12105 | Lair:3   | XOM: noise
 12364 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 12582 | Lair:3   | Noticed Nergalle
 12598 | Lair:3   | Killed Nergalle
 12598 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
 13130 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 95/104 MP: 14/17
 13352 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 13355 | Lair:4   | XOM: confusion
 13452 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 13475 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging
 13522 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 13525 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Yredelemnul
 13528 | Lair:4   | XOM: fog
 13528 | Lair:4   | Was forgiven by Xom

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Post Wednesday, 10th June 2015, 23:33

Re: How to win a chaos knight

If you abandon Xom you're not playing a chaos knight. Cheater :3

Joking aside, as others have said, don't try to please Xom - just play extra carefully. And it would probably a good idea to add something to your rc file that warns you when standing in seething chaos. I failed to noticed that particular nuisance a few times - and getting paralyzed isn't a good idea. Neither is using chaos weapons. Also pay attention when Xom brands your enemies weapon with chaos - learning Tukimas/Blink and so on might be worthwhile.

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Post Thursday, 11th June 2015, 00:42

Re: How to win a chaos knight

+1 Choose troll. CK gives a +2 robe start.

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