Rage: Evoke or Invoke?


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Slime Squisher

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Joined: Thursday, 15th August 2013, 11:33

Post Monday, 30th March 2015, 17:03

Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

So I've got a real nice MiGl^Trog going and he's found some great equipment, including +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}. (I quaffed cMut to get rid of horns3 for this, was that dumb?)

I feel like I've heard that wearing evocable rage extends the duration of trogs rage? I have 15 evo.
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.1-11-g651b585 (webtiles) character file.

cerealjynx the Impregnable (Minotaur Gladiator)    Turns: 51254, Time: 03:43:57

Health: 240/240    AC: 41    Str: 22    XL:     23   Next: 68%
Magic:  11/11      EV: 20    Int:  5    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   5811       SH:  0    Dex: 19    Spells: 0 memorised, 22 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis .     a - +9 lajatang (antimagic)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     P - +5 gold dragon armour
rNeg   + . .     SustAb   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     D - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}
rElec  .         Spirit   +     S - +0 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     C - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     I - +2 pair of boots {run}
MR     ++++.                    F - amulet of Vitality {Regen+ HP+15}
Stlth  ..........               d - +5 ring of slaying
                                k - +4 ring of evasion

@: quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, screaming 1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Berserk Rage
}: 4/15 runes: barnacled, slimy, abyssal, gossamer


You are in the Ecumenical Temple.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 55 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Bailey.

You have collected 7454 gold pieces.
You have spent 1643 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +9 antimagic lajatang (weapon)
 b - a +6 longbow of velocity
Missiles
 o - 129 arrows of dispersal
 w - 181 arrows of flame
 x - 36 poisoned arrows
 A - 967 arrows
 V - 185 arrows of frost
Armour
 C - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 D - the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit (worn) {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
 I - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 P - a +5 gold dragon armour (worn)
 S - a +0 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
Jewellery
 d - a +5 ring of slaying (right hand)
 k - a +4 ring of evasion (left hand)
 p - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 r - the amulet "Ugept" {+Blink +Rage rC+}
   (You took it off a deep elf death mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of rage]
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It lets you blink.
   It lets you go berserk.
 F - the amulet of Vitality (around neck) {Regen+ HP+15}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Depths)   
   
   [amulet of regeneration]
   
   It affects your health (+15).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 H - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 M - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 Q - an uncursed ring of invisibility
 Y - an uncursed ring of teleportation
Magical devices
 s - a wand of hasting (5)
 t - a wand of fireball
 G - a wand of enslavement (6)
 O - a wand of teleportation (4)
 T - a wand of disintegration (4)
 X - a wand of heal wounds (5)
Scrolls
 e - 14 scrolls of teleportation
 g - 3 scrolls of fear
 i - 3 scrolls of fog
 q - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 z - 4 scrolls of blinking
 B - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 J - 7 scrolls of recharging
 K - 3 scrolls of summoning
 L - 6 scrolls of identify
Potions
 j - 9 potions of heal wounds
 m - 10 potions of curing
 u - 4 potions of resistance
 E - 7 potions of might
 W - 8 potions of agility
 Z - 3 potions of restore abilities
Miscellaneous
 h - a fan of gales
 l - a sack of spiders {used: 2}
 n - a stone of tremors
 v - a lamp of fire
 y - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 c - 3 royal jellies
 f - 23 bread rations
 U - 8 fruits


   Skills:
 + Level 22.9 Fighting
 - Level 15.4 Staves
 * Level 17.9 Bows
 - Level 2.0 Throwing
 + Level 23.0 Armour
 + Level 18.4 Dodging
 * Level 15.6 Evocations


You have 22 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:11
 Shoals (5/5) Lair:4       Spider (5/5) Lair:4        Slime (6/6) Lair:8
    Orc (4/4) D:9             Elf (3/3) Orc:3        Vaults (0/5) D:14
 Depths (5/5) D:15            Zot (3/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:8 *   D:15 (   Orc:3 !   Orc:4 ==:[   Elf:3 *   Shoals:4 %   Shoals:5 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Ziggurat: Depths:1

Annotations:
Slime:6 exclusion: upstairs
Elf:2 3 runed doors, exclusion: 3 doors
Zot:2 exclusion: downstairs


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes.


Message History

Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
There is a deep blue altar of Sif Muna here.
There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here.
Key pressed, stopping explore.
Key pressed, stopping explore.
Done exploring.
Done exploring.
Done exploring.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  the royal jelly (Slime:6)
  An orb of fire (Zot:2)
  A greater mummy (Depths:4)
  Norris (Depths:1)
  Saint Roka (Depths:1)
  3 caustic shrikes (Depths:2)
  2 golden dragons (Depths:2)
  the Enchantress (Depths:2)
  Arachne (Spider:5)
  Nikola (Elf:3)
  7 tentacled monstrosities
  The ghost of Hermitkrabz the Black Belt, a mighty GrMo of Okawaru (Elf:3)
  2 liches (Depths:2)
  A quicksilver dragon (Depths:2)
  2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3)
  11 acid blobs
  4 sphinxes
  Polyphemus (Shoals:5)
  2 octopode crushers
  2 tentacled starspawn
  Rupert (Shoals:5)
  A shadow dragon (Zot:2)
  3 storm dragons
  5 tengu reavers
  2 draconian monks (Depths:5)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:5)
  12 azure jellies
  Donald (Spider:1)
  7 fire giants
  2 frost giants
  3 ghost moths (Spider:5)
  2 draconian scorchers (Zot:2)
  Aizul (Shoals:3)
  9 deep elf sorcerers (Elf:3)
  3 draconian zealots (Zot:2)
  The ghost of Waxmammal the Tortoise, a powerful MiFi of Okawaru (Orc:4)
  7 emperor scorpions
  Jorgrun (Depths:3)
  4 spriggan defenders
  4 draconian callers
  9 stone giants
  2 very ugly things (Depths:5)
  A green draconian (Zot:2)
  8 deep elf annihilators
  9 deep elf demonologists
  Azrael (Elf:1)
  3 pale draconians
  A yellow draconian (Depths:5)
  5 dire elephants
  7 merfolk javelineers
  A blizzard demon (Depths:5)
  5 deep elf death magi (Elf:3)
  4 great orbs of eyes
  3 mummy priests (Depths:4)
  5 yaktaur captains
  5 death oozes (Slime:6)
  2 minotaurs (Depths:4)
  3 vault guards (D:14)
  9 ettins
  9 merfolk impalers
  Josephine (D:13)
  A death cob (Zot:2)
  5 deep elf high priests
  Fannar (Lair:6)
  6 fire dragons
  Harold (Orc:3)
  A hell beast (Depths:3)
  11 hydras
  5 ice dragons
  2 catoblepae
  Nessos (D:12)
  3 merfolk avatars
  A monstrous demonspawn (Depths:5)
  Erica (Lair:3)
  3 spriggan air magi
  A rakshasa (Depths:1)
  The ghost of ender2012 the Thaumaturge, a powerful DrCj of Ashenzari (Orc:3)
  2 dancing weapons (Elf:2)
  An alligator snapping turtle (Shoals:4)
  5 merfolk aquamancers
  A deep troll shaman (Depths:1)
  33 death yaks
  A satyr (Shoals:2)
  5 deep troll earth magi
  The ghost of DarkMatt the Cardsharp, a powerful KoAr of Nemelex Xobeh (D:10)
  6 ogre magi
  6 centaur warriors
  A titan zombie (Depths:2)
  4 tengu warriors
  Urug (D:12)
  2 orc high priests
  3 spriggan berserkers
  31 deep elf knights
  2 soul eaters (Depths:4)
  Nergalle (Lair:8)
  46 slime creatures
  6 hell knights
  3 wretched stars
  10 unseen horrors
  2 thrashing horrors (Abyss:4)
  An unseen horror (shapeshifter) (Depths:4)
  5 skeletal warriors (D:15)
  A death drake (Zot:2)
  19 sea snakes
  3 salamander mystics (Depths:2)
  2 flayed ghosts (Depths:2)
  16 deep trolls
  9 hill giants
  A putrid demonspawn (Depths:5)
  18 deep elf summoners
  2 giant orange brains
  A necromancer (Depths:2)
  Pikel (D:7)
  A harpy (shapeshifter) (Elf:1)
  A wizard (D:14)
  8 orc knights
  12 orb spiders
  14 deep elf conjurers
  An ugly thing zombie (D:12)
  24 ugly things
  A cyclops (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  2 oklob plants
  5 shining eyes
  7 harpies
  6 large abominations
  A manticore (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  5 fauns (Shoals:4)
  A stone giant zombie (Depths:2)
  6 hornets
  23 wolf spiders
  11 griffons
  3 water nymphs
  5 salamanders (Depths:2)
  7 manticores
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:2)
  A rust devil (Depths:3)
  3 moths of wrath
  8 sirens
  10 cyclopes
  3 centaur zombies
  A sixfirhy (D:14)
  A guardian serpent (Spider:3)
  Maurice (Orc:1)
  4 black mambas
  A drowned soul (Shoals:4)
  A black mamba (shapeshifter) (Elf:2)
  Joseph (D:10)
  An eye of devastation (Slime:6)
  13 elephants
  2 orange demons
  A frost giant skeleton (Depths:2)
  4 torpor snails
  2 smoke demons (Elf:3)
  A queen ant (Lair:1)
  A kobold demonologist (D:14)
  7 komodo dragons
  9 yaktaurs
  A spriggan skeleton (Depths:2)
  17 spiny frogs
  A gargoyle (D:14)
  A golden dragon simulacrum (Depths:3)
  2 efreet
  11 deep elf priests
  An elf (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  A troll (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  2 queen bees
  A red devil (Depths:5)
  21 jumping spiders
  A hellwing (Abyss:1)
  The ghost of y94 the Chopper, an experienced VSBe of Trog (D:8)
  19 demonic crawlers
  6 guardian mummies (Depths:4)
  2 wandering mushrooms (Lair:4)
  2 tengu conjurers
  10 trolls
  3 harpy zombies (Shoals:3)
  A blue devil (Depths:5)
  A freezing wraith (D:15)
  29 merfolk
  4 wind drakes
  27 blink frogs
  A raiju (shapeshifter) (Elf:3)
  7 boulder beetles
  3 polar bears
  4 giant leeches (Lair:8)
  4 ravens
  3 air elementals (Depths:4)
  2 blink frogs (shapeshifter)
  A raiju (Abyss:1)
  14 snapping turtles
  8 two-headed ogres
  A centaur simulacrum (D:13)
  24 tarantellas
  21 trapdoor spiders
  55 yaks
  3 vampires
  13 starcursed masses (Abyss:1)
  3 flying skulls (Depths:3)
  23 deep elf magi
  64 redbacks
  4 basilisks
  A shadow (D:13)
  18 water elementals
  A wyvern (D:11)
  30 deep elf fighters
  A ynoxinul (Abyss:1)
  2 hungry ghosts
  2 fire elementals (Elf:1)
  6 spriggans
  12 hippogriffs
  4 wraiths
  A golden eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  3 mottled dragons
  2 steam dragons
  15 water moccasins
  4 wolves (Lair:3)
  Edmund (D:8)
  5 soldier ants (Lair:1)
  15 vampire mosquitoes
  A hippogriff (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  3 wargs (D:8)
  8 porcupines
  35 spiders
  33 orc warriors
  6 phantoms
  A black bear (D:10)
  6 hell hounds
  5 sky beasts
  2 necrophages
  A black bear (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  A swamp drake (Zot:2)
  5 eyes of draining
  3 slaves (D:7)
  6 ice beasts
  34 ogres
  7 wasps
  8 centaurs
  2 small abominations (Abyss:4)
  14 crocodiles
  The ghost of djmy96 the Vexing, an average DEAM (D:3)
  2 brain worms
  3 big kobolds
  33 giant frogs
  A glowing shapeshifter simulacrum (Depths:2)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:7)
  2 hippogriff zombies (Shoals:3)
  A wyvern skeleton (D:13)
  A troll zombie (D:9)
  8 scorpions
  39 killer bees
  17 wights
  A quasit (Depths:5)
  12 electric eels
  15 crimson imps
  2 goliath beetles
  3 giant frog zombies
  3 centaur skeletons
  10 iguanas
  3 iron imps
  33 jellies
  A gnoll shaman (D:7)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:3)
  24 orc priests
  3 giant frog skeletons
  21 hell rats
  23 worker ants
  9 hounds
  20 orc wizards
  A killer bee zombie (D:5)
  A big kobold zombie (D:12)
  21 sheep
  6 ogre zombies (D:9)
  Ijyb (D:3)
  A hound zombie (D:9)
  A mummy (D:10)
  2 worker ant zombies
  20 adders
  24 gnolls
  4 giant mites
  60 river rats
  2 worms
  A white imp (Depths:5)
  7 shadow imps
  2 ufetubi
  6 giant geckos
  2 oozes (Lair:8)
  168 orcs
  19 bats
  4 bat skeletons
  2 giant cockroaches
  29 goblins
  22 hobgoblins
  29 kobolds
  3 ball pythons
  7 giant newts
  2 goblin skeletons (D:9)
  4 goblin zombies (D:9)
  2 hobgoblin skeletons (D:9)
  3 hobgoblin zombies (D:9)
  11 jackals
  3 kobold zombies (D:12)
  16 orc zombies
  13 quokkas
  A quokka skeleton (D:9)
  38 rats
  A fungus (Lair:8)
2285 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A bone dragon (Depths:5)
  Asterion (Orc:3)
  An acid blob (Slime:6)
  A titan (Depths:2)
  Agnes (Spider:2)
  A shadow dragon (Depths:5)
  A storm dragon (Depths:2)
  Wiglaf (Shoals:5)
  A spriggan defender (Depths:2)
  A black draconian (Depths:5)
  3 deep elf annihilators (Elf:3)
  A blizzard demon (Depths:2)
  An ettin (Depths:2)
  2 deep elf death magi (Elf:3)
  A vault guard (D:14)
  A fire dragon (D:13)
  An alligator snapping turtle (Shoals:5)
  A spriggan air mage (Depths:2)
  A deep troll earth mage (Depths:1)
  A centaur warrior (Depths:1)
  A satyr (Shoals:4)
  A spriggan berserker (Depths:3)
  2 death yaks (Lair:8)
  2 thrashing horrors (Abyss:4)
  A hell knight (Depths:2)
  An unseen horror (Abyss:4)
  A hill giant (Orc:4)
  A deep troll (Orc:4)
  A deep elf conjurer (Orc:3)
  An ugly thing (D:13)
  A water nymph (Shoals:5)
  A cyclops (Orc:4)
  An efreet (D:14)
  2 large abominations (Depths:2)
  A giant leech (Lair:8)
  3 merfolk
  4 two-headed ogres (Orc:4)
  Sonja (Orc:3)
  A wind drake (Shoals:5)
  3 trolls
  A baby alligator (shapeshifter) (Orc:3)
  A slime creature (D:14)
  A blink frog (Lair:5)
  A snapping turtle (Shoals:5)
  A redback (Depths:2)
  A wraith (D:13)
  A vampire mosquito (Lair:8)
  2 hippogriffs
  A yak (Lair:5)
  2 deep elf fighters (Depths:3)
  3 soldier ants (Lair:1)
  An orc warrior (Depths:1)
  A centaur (D:14)
  10 ogres
  A wight (Depths:4)
  A hell rat (Orc:3)
  9 worker ants (Lair:1)
  An adder (Lair:5)
  2 orcs
  A hobgoblin (Orc:3)
  A lurking horror (Abyss:4)
96 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A draconian zealot (Zot:2)
  A stone giant (Shoals:5)
  2 merfolk javelineers (Shoals:5)
  A deep elf knight (Elf:2)
  2 deep trolls
  2 hill giants
  A water nymph (Shoals:5)
  14 drowned souls
  7 water elementals
  9 fire elementals
  A troll (Lair:8)
  A fulminant prism (Orc:3)
  3 trapdoor spiders
  A spriggan zombie (Depths:2)
  2 redbacks
  An orc warrior (D:9)
  A lost soul (Elf:3)
  An ogre (D:13)
  An orc wizard (D:13)
  A lurking horror (Abyss:4)
  A bush (Lair:8)
  18 fungi
  10 plants
  2 starspawn tentacles (Abyss:1)
  32 starspawn tentacle segments (Abyss:1)
  6 tentacles (Shoals:1)
  77 tentacle segments (Shoals:1)
199 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 2580 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | cerealjynx, the Minotaur Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1
   122 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Staves
   269 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/25 MP: 1/1
   816 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Staves
   816 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 25/30 MP: 2/2
  1150 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 34/37 MP: 2/2
  1288 | D:2      | Reached skill level 6 in Staves
  1440 | D:3      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  1446 | D:3      | Became a worshipper of Trog the Wrathful
  1648 | D:3      | Noticed Ijyb
  1661 | D:3      | Killed Ijyb
  1702 | D:3      | Noticed djmy96's ghost (average DEAM)
  1711 | D:3      | Killed djmy96's ghost
  1711 | D:3      | Reached skill level 7 in Staves
  1711 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/42 MP: 2/2
  1822 | D:3      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  2187 | D:3      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  2200 | D:3      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  2200 | D:3      | Acquired Trog's first power
  2200 | D:3      | Reached skill level 8 in Staves
  2328 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 39/50 MP: 3/3
  2403 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  2461 | D:4      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  2482 | D:4      | Acquired Trog's second power
  2492 | D:4      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  2508 | D:4      | Reached skill level 9 in Staves
  2601 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/56 MP: 3/3
  2929 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3035 | D:5      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3037 | D:5      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  3044 | D:5      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  3072 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  3127 | D:5      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  3207 | D:5      | Reached skill level 10 in Staves
  3409 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 66/66 MP: 3/3
  3705 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  3992 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  4016 | D:6      | You fall through a shaft!
  4132 | D:6      | Acquired Trog's third power
  4167 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  4983 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 74/74 MP: 4/4
  5022 | D:7      | Noticed Pikel
  5033 | D:7      | Killed Pikel
  5033 | D:7      | Reached skill level 11 in Staves
  5365 | D:7      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  5798 | D:8      | Noticed Edmund
  5808 | D:8      | Killed Edmund
  5821 | D:8      | Got a sapphire-encrusted leather armour
  5832 | D:8      | Identified the +0 leather armour of Dishonour {+Fly} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
  6002 | D:8      | Received a gift from Trog
  6031 | D:8      | Found a flagged portal.
  6058 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  6318 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 88/88 MP: 4/4
  6438 | D:8      | Found Wempizxoi's Assorted Antiques.
  6444 | D:8      | Noticed y94's ghost (experienced VSBe)
  6452 | D:8      | Killed y94's ghost
  7029 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  7271 | D:9      | Received a gift from Trog
  7651 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
  7652 | Orc:1    | Noticed Maurice
  7653 | Orc:1    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
  7698 | Orc:1    | Killed Maurice
  7698 | Orc:1    | Reached skill level 1 in Bows
  7971 | Orc:2    | Noticed an orc sorcerer
  7977 | Orc:2    | Killed an orc sorcerer
  7977 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  8177 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
  8311 | Orc:3    | Found Ocanatt's Distillery.
  8313 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
  8337 | Orc:3    | Noticed Harold
  8349 | Orc:3    | Killed Harold
  8349 | Orc:3    | Reached XP level 11. HP: 91/100 MP: 1/4
  8371 | Orc:3    | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  8486 | Orc:3    | Noticed Sonja
  8494 | Orc:3    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
  8495 | Orc:3    | Killed Sonja
  8870 | Orc:3    | Noticed ender2012's ghost (powerful DrCj)
  8878 | Orc:3    | HP: 5/151 [ender2012's ghost/bolt of negative energy (8)]
  8881 | Orc:3    | Killed ender2012's ghost
  8883 | Orc:3    | HP: 4/151 [poisoned by ender2012's ghost]
  9436 | Orc:1    | Received a gift from Trog
  9810 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9911 | D:10     | Noticed Joseph
  9914 | D:10     | Noticed DarkMatt's ghost (powerful KoAr)
  9936 | D:10     | Killed DarkMatt's ghost
  9941 | D:10     | Killed Joseph
 11126 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11172 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 11581 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 11772 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 11775 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 42/112 MP: 1/5
 11941 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Bows
 11947 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 12308 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 12334 | Lair:2   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 12350 | Lair:2   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 13204 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Trog
 13285 | Lair:2   | Got a scorched lajatang {god gift}
 13286 | Lair:2   | Identified the +2 lajatang of Blood-Lust {slice, Int+2} (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 13812 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 13871 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 13 in Armour
 14042 | Lair:3   | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
 14094 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 14114 | Lair:3   | Got a warped lajatang {god gift}
 14115 | Lair:3   | Identified the +7 lajatang of Impatience {flame, Str+3 Int+4} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 14463 | Lair:3   | Noticed Erica
 14478 | Lair:3   | Killed Erica
 14478 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 116/122 MP: 5/5
 14770 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 15121 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 15871 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 15993 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 14 in Armour
 16479 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 16554 | Lair:6   | Noticed Fannar
 16563 | Lair:6   | Killed Fannar
 17817 | Lair:7   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 121/133 MP: 5/5
 18120 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Trog
 18317 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 18317 | Lair:8   | Noticed Nergalle
 18341 | Lair:8   | Killed Nergalle
 18345 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 18358 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
 18690 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 19573 | Lair:8   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 19591 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 19683 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 20077 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 20187 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 16 in Armour
 20378 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 67/144 MP: 6/6
 20807 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 20946 | Orc:4    | Found Nacivoll's Antique Armour Shoppe.
 20959 | Orc:4    | Found Hufylogu's Book Shoppe.
 20962 | Orc:4    | Received a gift from Trog
 20966 | Orc:4    | Found Shyaroa's Jewellery Boutique.
 20969 | Orc:4    | Found Cebbol's Jewellery Emporium.
 21066 | Orc:4    | Bought a +5 ring of slaying for 1478 gold pieces
 21154 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 21251 | Orc:4    | Noticed Waxmammal's ghost (powerful MiFi)
 21272 | Orc:4    | Killed Waxmammal's ghost
 21588 | D:12     | Noticed Urug
 21596 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 21598 | D:12     | Killed Urug
 21905 | D:12     | Noticed Nessos
 21932 | D:12     | Killed Nessos
 22231 | D:13     | Noticed Josephine
 22240 | D:13     | Killed Josephine
 22519 | D:13     | Reached skill level 17 in Armour
 22698 | D:13     | Received a gift from Trog
 23146 | D:14     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 23147 | D:14     | Got a pair of transparent boots
 23158 | D:14     | Identified the +0 pair of boots "Tistrisa" {MR+ rCorr Dex+4} (You acquired it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 23211 | D:14     | Received a gift from Trog
 23296 | D:14     | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 23347 | D:14     | Reached skill level 15 in Staves
 23396 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 23603 | D:14     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 71/155 MP: 4/6
 23620 | D:14     | Received a gift from Trog
 23798 | D:14     | Found a flagged portal.
 23811 | Bailey   | Entered a bailey
 23848 | Bailey   | Received a gift from Trog
 23941 | Bailey   | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 23941 | Bailey   | Reached XP level 17. HP: 157/162 MP: 6/19
 24092 | Bailey   | Received a gift from Trog
 24418 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 24507 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 24585 | D:15     | Found Chausa's Weapon Boutique.
 24686 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 24890 | D:15     | Reached skill level 18 in Armour
 25185 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 25565 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 25565 | Elf:1    | Noticed Asterion
 25585 | Orc:3    | Killed Asterion
 25800 | Elf:1    | Noticed Azrael
 25822 | Elf:1    | Killed Azrael
 26022 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 26529 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 26552 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 26744 | Elf:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 26900 | Elf:2    | Reached skill level 19 in Armour
 26944 | Elf:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 27198 | Elf:2    | Found a runed gate.
 27198 | Elf:2    | Found a runed gate.
 27198 | Elf:2    | Found a runed gate.
 27239 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
 27294 | Elf:3    | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 27305 | Elf:3    | Found Lesupt's Assorted Antiques.
 27360 | Elf:3    | Noticed Nikola
 27371 | Elf:3    | Killed Nikola
 27371 | Elf:3    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 49/176 MP: 1/20
 27667 | Elf:3    | Noticed Hermitkrabz's ghost (mighty GrMo)
 27703 | Elf:3    | Killed Hermitkrabz's ghost
 28035 | Elf:3    | Gained mutation: You have a pair of large horns on your head. [potion of beneficial mutation]
 28161 | Elf:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 28296 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 20 in Armour
 28471 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 28766 | Elf:3    | Got a wavering brass amulet
 28842 | Elf:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 28873 | Elf:3    | Identified the amulet "Ugept" {+Blink +Rage rC+} (You took it off a deep elf death mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 29027 | Elf:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 29540 | Elf:3    | Got a distressingly furry plate armour
 29551 | Elf:3    | Identified the cursed -4 plate armour "Citaib" {Str+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 29887 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 29939 | Spider:2 | Noticed Agnes
 29948 | Spider:2 | Killed Agnes
 29973 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 30337 | Orc:4    | Bought an uncursed ring of see invisible for 165 gold pieces
 30438 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 30612 | Spider:3 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 187/187 MP: 7/22
 30710 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Bows
 30906 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 30989 | Spider:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Spider Nest
 30996 | Spider:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 31605 | Spider:5 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
 31623 | Spider:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 31935 | Spider:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 32023 | Spider:5 | Noticed Arachne
 32041 | Spider:5 | Killed Arachne
 32485 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 33047 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 33178 | Spider:2 | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
 33592 | Spider:1 | Identified a +4 rod of inaccuracy (12/12) (You found it on level 1 of the Spider Nest)
 33596 | Spider:1 | Noticed Donald
 33609 | Spider:1 | Killed Donald
 33632 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 34189 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 21 in Armour
 34703 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 34877 | Shoals:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Shoals
 34901 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Polyphemus
 34915 | Shoals:5 | Killed Polyphemus
 34984 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Wiglaf
 35002 | Shoals:5 | Killed Wiglaf
 35011 | Shoals:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 35177 | Shoals:5 | Found Klaqupu's General Store.
 35229 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 35235 | Shoals:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 35274 | Shoals:5 | Killed Ilsuiw
 35498 | Shoals:5 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 166/198 MP: 10/27
 35593 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Rupert
 35604 | Shoals:5 | Killed Rupert
 35627 | Shoals:5 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 36183 | Shoals:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 36271 | Shoals:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 36340 | Shoals:4 | Found Threno Loanti's Food Boutique.
 36622 | Shoals:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 36641 | Shoals:4 | Gained mutation: You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. [potion of beneficial mutation]
 36700 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 37085 | Shoals:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 37387 | Shoals:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 37397 | Shoals:3 | Noticed Aizul
 37402 | Shoals:3 | Killed Aizul
 37802 | Shoals:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 38448 | Shoals:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 39552 | Slime:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Pits of Slime
 39565 | Slime:2  | Gained mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes. [a shining eye]
 39567 | Slime:2  | Gained mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [a shining eye]
 39604 | Slime:2  | Received a gift from Trog
 39870 | Slime:6  | Entered Level 6 of the Pits of Slime
 40253 | Slime:6  | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 40265 | Slime:6  | Noticed the royal jelly
 40282 | Slime:6  | Killed the royal jelly
 40282 | Slime:6  | Reached XP level 21. HP: 115/206 MP: 10/30
 40664 | Slime:6  | Gained mutation: You are very clumsy. (Dex -4) [a shining eye]
 40876 | Slime:6  | Identified a +2 pair of boots of running (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 40879 | Slime:6  | Identified Beploluwk's Reference Book on Poisonous Curses
 40886 | Slime:6  | Got a slimy rune of Zot
 40888 | Slime:6  | Got a crystal blowgun
 40889 | Slime:6  | Identified the cursed +3 blowgun of Onoquamn {evade, Int+4} (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 40934 | Slime:6  | Identified the Tome of Dislocated Changing (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 41286 | Lair:1   | Lost mutation: You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. [potion of cure mutation]
 41286 | Lair:1   | Lost mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes. [potion of cure mutation]
 41287 | Lair:1   | Lost mutation: You are very clumsy. (Dex -4) [potion of cure mutation]
 41287 | Lair:1   | Lost mutation: You have a pair of large horns on your head. [potion of cure mutation]
 41287 | Lair:1   | Lost mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [potion of cure mutation]
 41620 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
 41620 | Depths:1 | Noticed Saint Roka
 41636 | Depths:1 | Killed Saint Roka
 41661 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 41847 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 41961 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell.
 42170 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Trog
 42429 | Depths:1 | Noticed Norris
 42440 | Depths:1 | Killed Norris
 42443 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
 42945 | Depths:2 | Noticed a caustic shrike
 42970 | Depths:2 | Found a runed door.
 43001 | Depths:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Bows
 43089 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 43128 | Depths:2 | Killed a caustic shrike
 43259 | Depths:2 | Noticed the Enchantress
 43267 | Depths:2 | Reached skill level 22 in Armour
 44066 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 44123 | Depths:2 | Cast into the Abyss (the Enchantress)
 44337 | Abyss:1  | Reached XP level 22. HP: 143/172 MP: 9/28
 44358 | Abyss:2  | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
 44666 | Abyss:4  | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 44794 | Abyss:4  | Received a gift from Trog
 44810 | Abyss:4  | Got an abyssal rune of Zot
 44885 | Depths:2 | Escaped the Abyss
 44906 | Depths:2 | Killed the Enchantress
 44967 | Depths:2 | Got a faerie dragon armour
 44968 | Depths:2 | Identified the +3 faerie dragon armour {rElec Str+3 Clar} (You took it off the Enchantress on level 2 of the Depths)
 45068 | Depths:2 | Noticed a caustic shrike
 45072 | Depths:2 | Killed a caustic shrike
 45439 | Depths:2 | Noticed a caustic shrike
 45458 | Depths:2 | Identified the Catalogue of the Traveller (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)
 45667 | Depths:2 | Gained mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [a cacodemon]
 46182 | Depths:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 46206 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
 46233 | Depths:3 | Received a gift from Trog
 46376 | Depths:2 | Killed a caustic shrike
 46439 | Depths:2 | Received a gift from Trog
 46786 | Depths:3 | Noticed Jorgrun
 46804 | Depths:3 | Killed Jorgrun
 47744 | Depths:4 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
 48156 | Depths:4 | Noticed a greater mummy
 48185 | Depths:4 | Killed a greater mummy
 48185 | Depths:4 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 198/224 MP: 9/34
 48408 | Depths:4 | Received a gift from Trog
 48728 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths
 49135 | Depths:5 | Received a gift from Trog
 49242 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Evocations
 49257 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot.
 49733 | Zot:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot
 49733 | Zot:1    | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 49744 | Zot:1    | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 49765 | Zot:1    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 49946 | Zot:2    | Noticed an orb of fire
 50025 | Zot:2    | Gained mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes. [an orb of fire]
 50033 | Zot:2    | Lost mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [an orb of fire]
 50041 | Zot:2    | Killed an orb of fire
 50256 | Zot:2    | Reached skill level 23 in Armour
 50330 | Zot:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 50394 | Zot:3    | Noticed an orb of fire
 51145 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
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Melee: Quarterstaff      |    81 |   120 |   320 |   344 |       |       |       |       ||   865
       Lajatang          |       |       |       |   672 |  1102 |   920 |  1669 |   900 ||  5263
 Fire: Longbow           |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |   115 |    12 ||   129
Throw: Throwing net      |       |     4 |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     6
       Tomahawk          |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |     2 |       ||     5
Invok: Trog's Hand       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     9 |     6 |     5 |     7 ||    29
       Berserk           |       |       |     1 |       |     1 |       |     2 |     2 ||     6
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |     3 |     9 |     3 |     7 |     4 ||    26
 Abil: Evoke Blink       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Evoke Teleportati |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    18 ||    18
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     3 |     2 |    10 |    19 |    10 ||    44
       Deck              |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |       |       ||     1
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |     5 |     5 ||    11
       Phial of floods   |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 |     2 ||     5
       Sack of spiders   |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     4 ||     5
       Fan of gales      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Potion            |     1 |     1 |     1 |     3 |       |     5 |    17 |     8 ||    36
       Scroll            |       |    10 |     5 |     7 |    20 |    15 |    27 |     8 ||    92
 Stab: Held in net/web   |       |     1 |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     3
       Sleeping          |       |       |     8 |       |       |       |       |       ||     8
       Paralysed         |       |       |     2 |     2 |       |       |       |       ||     4
       Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     3 |     2 |     1 |     1 ||     7
       Invisible         |       |       |       |       |       |       |    19 |       ||    19
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     4 |    13 |    29 |    17 |     8 |    13 |     6 ||    91
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |     2 |     2 ||     6
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |       |     2 |     3 |     4 |     4 ||    13
       Fruit             |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |     3 |       ||     4
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Bonus question, I'm not too scared of Trogs wrath since I have evocable blink and tele, but is it worth the switch? I was thinking TSO for holy branding the bow then Zin for the bonus stats/other goodies. All the good melee spells have dropped, but at most I'd have 7 base int.
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Post Monday, 30th March 2015, 17:18

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

Getting rid of horns 3 for bear spirit was a good idea. Stick with vitality for your amulet. If you want to switch for extended I would take TSO or Makhleb, don't bother with Zin. I find it much easier to stay out of bad situations with those two keeping my HP up from killing enemies. If you get wrathed and surrounded by summons, just evoke blink + tele and you should be fine, but don't do Tomb under Trog's wrath. I would probably holy brand my melee weapon, but I have no idea how good/bad holy bows are, I assume they are pretty good.
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Post Monday, 30th March 2015, 17:28

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

At one point the Amulet of Rage made rage last longer each time you killed something, but I don't think that other sources of evocable rage do that. And Trog provides that, anyway. Maybe they stack? I'm not sure on that one.

As to the question of Evoke or Invoke:
The length will be the same.
Invoke never fails, while evoke requires training skill.
Evoke can not be silenced.

So invoke unless you are silenced.

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Post Monday, 30th March 2015, 17:35

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

The necklace of Bloodlust extends berserk a bit on 50% of kills. Other sources of evocable rage don't do anything special other than be evoked for rage (amulets of rage did used to have a chance to extend berserking but it was a tiny chance for a tiny extension).

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Post Monday, 30th March 2015, 17:54

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

If you are worshipping Trog, you pretty much always want to invoke. Trog's berserk never fails, can extend the duration on kills and protects from paralysis afterwards. The only downside is a bit more food, which is irrelevant.

Edit: Ok, also silence, as someone else noted.
Edit2: Gah, I think Trog's berserk extension and "passing out" protection works for any source. Anyway, you still want to invoke. Just a bit more food.
Edit3: I think the food might also be the same.
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Post Monday, 30th March 2015, 17:59

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

Wait, there's a different hunger cost to invokable -vs- evokable 'zerk?

On ^Trog, I feel like there shouldn't be *any* difference between invoking and evoking. (OK, maybe you can only 'aa' while silenced if you have a +Rage item. Sure.)
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Post Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 11:01

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

tabstorm wrote:Getting rid of horns 3 for bear spirit was a good idea. Stick with vitality for your amulet. If you want to switch for extended I would take TSO or Makhleb, don't bother with Zin. I find it much easier to stay out of bad situations with those two keeping my HP up from killing enemies. If you get wrathed and surrounded by summons, just evoke blink + tele and you should be fine, but don't do Tomb under Trog's wrath. I would probably holy brand my melee weapon, but I have no idea how good/bad holy bows are, I assume they are pretty good.


Spirit seems smart, but keep in mind that getting hit drains your MP first, which means you won't be able to invoke Trog's abilities if you are taking damage. Of course, you already used Trog's Hand and Brothers in Arms before the fight started, right? Not always, surprises do happen in crawl. I like spirit in the early to mid game, but once you get into areas where there can be some significant fighting going on and you need your high level abilities, it becomes more of a liability than a risk mitigator.
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Post Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 11:37

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

daggaz wrote:Spirit seems smart, but keep in mind that getting hit drains your MP first

I believe the damage is divided proportionally between MP and HP.
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Post Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 11:38

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

daggaz wrote:Spirit seems smart, but keep in mind that getting hit drains your MP first, which means you won't be able to invoke Trog's abilities if you are taking damage

Trog's abilities don't require MP.

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Post Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 11:42

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

Sprucery wrote:
daggaz wrote:Spirit seems smart, but keep in mind that getting hit drains your MP first

I believe the damage is divided proportionally between MP and HP.


Ahh never noticed to be honest, still you will end up in the same situation.

bel wrote:Trog's abilities don't require MP.


...so they don't. :oops: Don't play Trog much but made the mistake of assuming he was just like any other god regarding ability costs. Guess he really does hate magic..

Spirit is a great ego for a Trog worshipper. Free HP. Why not?
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Post Thursday, 2nd April 2015, 07:45

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

Spirit is certainly good with Trog but it might not be worth the opportunity cost since you're likely to be using antimagic and thus not have much MP.
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Post Thursday, 2nd April 2015, 15:08

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

In the particular case of Bear Spirit, though, a +2 hat with rN+ and MR++ is pretty great. If you find some other absurd artifact maybe you could do better, but this is probably the best hat a Troglodyte could ask for.
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Post Thursday, 2nd April 2015, 23:49

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

Amulets of guardian spirit are downright amazing on felid berserkers, as you don't have the antimagic weapon to interfere. It almost makes felid playable! :)

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Post Friday, 3rd April 2015, 17:26

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

It's tough to imagine a scenario where i wouldn't wear bear spirit, outside of the absurd artifact scenario.

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Post Wednesday, 8th April 2015, 18:15

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

YAVP
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/cerealjynx/morgue-cerealjynx-20150406-173607.txt

I don't think I used Berserk once after switching to TSO, but it was real nice to effectively have all of trogs abilities when I wasn't even worshiping him. I've found that the best method for surviving hellfire/torment for this character by far was using +9 Holy Longbow and Portal Projectile. Is there anything else as ridiculously effective as that!?

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Post Wednesday, 8th April 2015, 18:37

Re: Rage: Evoke or Invoke?

cerealjynx wrote:YAVP
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/cerealjynx/morgue-cerealjynx-20150406-173607.txt

I don't think I used Berserk once after switching to TSO, but it was real nice to effectively have all of trogs abilities when I wasn't even worshiping him. I've found that the best method for surviving hellfire/torment for this character by far was using +9 Holy Longbow and Portal Projectile. Is there anything else as ridiculously effective as that!?

Perhaps a +9 holy triple crossbow with penetrating bolts, or also with PP, but yeah that works :)
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