Training dodging with crystal plate?

Saturday, 21st March 2015, 15:16 by FraterFugae

Hey guys, I was wondering if it was really worth it to train dodging if I happened to come across some crystal plate armour, or if I would be better off putting the skill into something more useful. I'm playing a MiFi of Trog right now heading through Lair:8 and I'm not sure about how important dodging is. Any advice?

Okay, Here's my character for anyone asking.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.0 (tiles) character file. Pan the Tortoise (Minotaur Fighter) Turns: 20175, Time: 02:05:22 Health: 111/111 AC: 33 Str: 21 XL: 13 Next: 47% Magic: 5/5 EV: 7 Int: 5 God: Trog [******] Gold: 963 SH: 13 Dex: 15 Spells: 0 memorised, 12 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . W - +4 eveningstar (protect) rCold . . . Clarity . T - +0 crystal plate armour rNeg . . . SustAb . c - +0 shield rPois . Gourm . (helmet restricted) rElec . Spirit . (no cloak) rCorr + Warding . (no gloves) rMut . Stasis . x - +1 pair of boots MR +.... l - amulet of resist corrosion Stlth .......... S - ring of protection from magic (no ring) @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, repulsion field 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion You are on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Trog. Trog is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 19 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 963 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons W - a +4 eveningstar of protection (weapon) Missiles g - 44 stones (quivered) Armour c - a +0 shield (worn) x - a +1 pair of boots (worn) T - a +0 crystal plate armour (worn) Jewellery l - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck) J - an uncursed amulet of clarity S - a ring of protection from magic (right hand) Magical devices e - a wand of enslavement {recharged} F - a wand of frost {zapped: 8} M - a wand of slowing N - a wand of cold {zapped: 3} U - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 6} V - a wand of fire Y - a wand of polymorph Scrolls b - a scroll labeled PHETIL TIYH f - 2 scrolls labeled KUEPEA XEYGRAY h - 10 scrolls of remove curse m - 2 scrolls of magic mapping n - 2 scrolls labeled STRUSE PNAW o - 5 scrolls of blinking p - a scroll of identify t - 7 scrolls of recharging u - 7 scrolls of teleportation v - a scroll of fog H - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I - a scroll labeled STRIL OBLAIWIO L - 2 scrolls labeled TIYDGH HIMNE P - a scroll labeled VACRAJ KUSH R - a scroll labeled DEOD MEKETZ Potions i - a green potion k - 4 potions of lignification q - 4 potions of curing r - an emerald potion w - 3 fuming golden potions z - 5 potions of restore abilities A - 2 potions of heal wounds B - 2 potions of mutation C - 3 potions of flight E - 2 potions of agility O - 2 yellow potions Q - a sapphire potion Z - a puce potion Miscellaneous y - a phial of floods (inert) Comestibles a - 9 royal jellies d - 12 bread rations j - 7 meat rations s - 7 beef jerkies D - 3 fruits Skills: + Level 9.0 Fighting Level 0.2 Short Blades - Level 14.0 Maces & Flails - Level 18.0 Armour - Level 12.3 Shields You have 12 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (10/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (8/8) D:9 Swamp (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:4 Orc (0/4) D:9 Slime: Lair:6-8 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:7 ( Annotations: Lair:2 exclusion: 3 oklob plants Lair:3 exclusion: oklob plant Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee. You have a pair of horns on your head. You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (EV +2). Message History Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) That plum was delicious! You start resting. A hornet comes into view. The hornet buzzes angrily. You barely miss the hornet. You block the hornet's attack. You puncture the hornet!! Your headbutt misses the hornet. The hornet is severely wounded. You block the hornet's attack. You bludgeon the hornet!!! You kill the hornet! Trog accepts your kill. Your Fighting skill increases to level 9! You start resting. You start resting. HP restored. Char dumped to 'morgue/Pan.txt'. Unknown command. Unknown command. Saving game... please wait. ###### ##.@..## #..PP..# ##..P...# ###......## #....#.P## #...##.#..# #....##./#..# #.....##..##..# P....##... .... ...##...# !..# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Maud (Lair:4) Snorg (Lair:5) 6 hydras 4 death yaks (Lair:7) Urug (D:10) Pikel (D:5) A hill giant (D:10) An orb spider (Lair:4) A wolf spider (Lair:8) A griffon (Lair:7) A hornet (Lair:8) 4 black mambas 13 spiny frogs 2 komodo dragons Psyche (D:9) A guardian serpent (Lair:8) A fire drake (Lair:4) 2 trolls A polar bear (Lair:4) 12 blink frogs A wandering mushroom (Lair:7) Prince Ribbit (D:8) A redback (Lair:8) A wyvern (D:8) A deep elf mage (D:8) A wraith (D:10) Eustachio (D:5) 31 yaks 2 hungry ghosts A steam dragon (D:10) 3 wolves (Lair:3) 2 soldier ants (D:8) 4 hippogriffs 11 water moccasins 6 swamp worms (Lair:5) 4 porcupines 2 spiders (Lair:8) 3 sky beasts A phantom (D:5) 2 ice beasts A wasp (Lair:8) 3 slaves (D:5) 7 orc warriors 4 centaurs 8 crocodiles 2 big kobolds 3 boring beetles A brain worm (D:8) 4 ogres A gnoll sergeant (D:7) 12 giant frogs 3 scorpions An electric eel (Lair:5) A water moccasin skeleton (D:7) 4 wights (D:10) 5 jellies A centaur zombie (D:9) 5 crimson imps 11 hounds A giant frog zombie (D:9) 3 goliath beetles A quasit (D:10) Crazy Yiuf (D:5) 3 giant frog skeletons 4 orc priests 9 worker ants 6 orc wizards 7 hell rats (Lair:4) 6 iguanas 33 sheep A human simulacrum (D:9) A worker ant zombie (D:10) Robin (D:3) 26 adders 6 gnolls (D:7) 36 river rats A giant mite (D:1) 4 worms 2 shadow imps An adder skeleton (D:4) An adder zombie (D:5) 28 orcs A bat skeleton (D:3) 5 giant cockroaches 9 hobgoblins 5 jackals 17 kobolds 14 quokkas 2 ball pythons (D:3) 21 bats 5 giant geckos 3 giant newts 21 goblins A jackal zombie (D:5) 2 quokka skeletons 15 rats 5 ballistomycetes 3 fungi (Lair:4) 3 plants 526 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) 2 blink frogs (Lair:3) A hippogriff (Lair:7) A water moccasin (Lair:7) 4 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A sky beast (D:5) A human simulacrum (D:9) 2 orcs (D:9) 3 giant spores 4 fungi 11 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 541 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Pan, the Minotaur Fighter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1 247 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/1 675 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Maces & Flails 795 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/31 MP: 2/2 1328 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 1575 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/39 MP: 2/2 2090 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails 2568 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 30/45 MP: 2/2 2589 | D:3 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 2592 | D:3 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 2856 | D:3 | Noticed Robin 2877 | D:3 | Killed Robin 3227 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails 3235 | D:4 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 3462 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 51/51 MP: 3/3 3788 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails 4046 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4119 | D:5 | Noticed Pikel 4134 | D:5 | Killed Pikel 4134 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 4134 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 50/57 MP: 3/3 4242 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 4254 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 4254 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails 4259 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 50/64 MP: 3/3 4295 | D:5 | Found a glowing drain. 4312 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 4460 | Sewer | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 4760 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails 5070 | D:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails 5203 | D:5 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 5206 | D:5 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 5560 | D:6 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 5564 | D:6 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 5565 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 5708 | D:6 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 5919 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5938 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5960 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Trog the Wrathful 6175 | D:6 | Got a faintly glowing dagger 6180 | D:6 | Identified the +9 dagger of Prudence {pierce, Contam +Rage rElec} (You took it off an orc wizard on level 6 of the Dungeon) 6453 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 70/70 MP: 4/4 6501 | D:7 | Acquired Trog's first power 6686 | D:7 | Reached skill level 14 in Maces & Flails 6727 | D:7 | Found Joficiuc's Weapon Shoppe. 7205 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 7324 | D:8 | Acquired Trog's second power 7404 | D:8 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 7415 | D:8 | Killed Prince Ribbit 7731 | D:8 | Gained mutation: You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (EV +2). [mutagenic glow] 8080 | D:8 | Lost intelligence. 8085 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 68/77 MP: 4/4 8090 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Shields 8466 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8730 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 8939 | D:9 | Noticed Psyche 8947 | D:9 | Killed Psyche 9573 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9652 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 9674 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 9674 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 10090 | D:10 | Noticed Urug 10106 | D:10 | Killed Urug 10476 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 39/82 MP: 4/4 11120 | D:9 | Acquired Trog's third power 11173 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 11407 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 13195 | Lair:2 | Found a dark tunnel. 13915 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Trog 14128 | Lair:3 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 14173 | Lair:3 | Killed a six-headed hydra 14183 | Lair:3 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 14205 | Lair:3 | Killed a four-headed hydra 14205 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 83/90 MP: 5/5 15252 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour 15288 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Trog 15316 | Lair:4 | Got an agate-encrusted leather armour 15907 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 16159 | Lair:4 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 16180 | Lair:4 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 16180 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 16 in Armour 16377 | Lair:4 | Noticed Maud 16397 | Lair:4 | Killed Maud 16971 | Lair:5 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 16979 | Lair:5 | Killed a four-headed hydra 16985 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 17 in Armour 16988 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 17147 | Lair:5 | Identified the +3 leather armour "Patzyo" {rPois Int+5} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) 17274 | Lair:5 | Noticed Snorg 17286 | Lair:5 | Killed Snorg 17493 | Lair:5 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 17504 | Lair:5 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 17504 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 95/95 MP: 5/5 17818 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 18 in Armour 18702 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 18948 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Trog 19453 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Trog 19626 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Flail | 64 | 161 | 138 | | || 363 Morningstar | | | 45 | 695 | || 740 Dagger | | | 133 | | || 133 Eveningstar | | | | 93 | 241 || 334 Throw: Stone | 25 | 36 | 55 | 24 | || 140 Invok: Burn Spellbooks | | | 1 | 5 | || 6 Berserk | | | 2 | 1 | || 3 Brothers in Arms | | | | 1 | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | | 6 | || 6 Phial of floods | | | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | | 3 | 6 | 8 | 1 || 18 Potion | | 1 | | 2 | 4 || 7 Eat: Chunk | 2 | 8 | 11 | 30 | 8 || 59 Bread ration | | | 1 | | || 1 Pizza | | | | 1 | || 1 Fruit | | | | | 1 || 1

Saturday, 21st March 2015, 16:32 by bel

You should train armour for a long time before putting anything into dodging. Because of the evasion penalty of crystal plate, you will need to put a fair bit in dodging before you make up for the evasion penalty and then start getting EV. See http://crawl.chaosforge.org/ABAEVP#Dodging_penalty

Saturday, 21st March 2015, 16:53 by scorpionwarrior

Unless it's been reverted I'm pretty sure that in trunk there's no breakpoint in dodging where it suddenly starts to work, armour gives ypu a percentage-based malus on dodging skill instead of flat (or something to that effect).

If you gave us a character dump we could give you better advice.

Saturday, 21st March 2015, 17:30 by crate

scorpionwarrior is correct, the way armour affects EV has changed recently. The ER wiki page is outdated.

mifi of trog wearing cpa should absolutely train dodging at some point (you don't have that many other places to spend xp) but personally I would not do so in lair.

Saturday, 21st March 2015, 18:01 by Eyesburn

crate wrote:The ER wiki page is outdated.

What if he is playing an older version?

Anyway, I usually don't switch immediately to the heaviest armour that is available in a game. Guess CPA will cripple your EV, and you'll need both Str and Dex high for decent EV. Also you may don't worry about EV and dodging if your AC is good. I've seen people won games with something like 70 AC, 5 EV.

Monday, 23rd March 2015, 00:02 by tabstorm

Get 23 strength, take dex on every levelup after getting that, then just train dodging and armor equally. Dodging skill dosen't give 0 EV below some arbitrary cutoff in 0.16, so you should train it.

Eyesburn wrote:
crate wrote:The ER wiki page is outdated.
What if he is playing an older version?

Anyway, I usually don't switch immediately to the heaviest armour that is available in a game. Guess CPA will cripple your EV, and you'll need both Str and Dex high for decent EV. Also you may don't worry about EV and dodging if your AC is good. I've seen people won games with something like 70 AC, 5 EV.

If my character has strength somewhere around 23 or can be expected to get there, I'm wearing the CPA almost always.

Monday, 23rd March 2015, 08:25 by nago

Some chars of mine worn cpa with like 15ish str and I would happily do it again. Generally speaking for most races playing "melee" char , wearing the heaviest armour available asap is the best thing to do.

What if he is playing an older version?

He's playing

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.0 (tiles) character file.

Monday, 23rd March 2015, 11:36 by Eyesburn

Generally speaking for most races playing "melee" char , wearing the heaviest armour available asap is the best thing to do.

Agree with that.

He's playing
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.0 (tiles) character file.

He posted morgue after my post, otherwise I wouldn't ask.

Monday, 23rd March 2015, 15:10 by daggaz

Minotaurs can easily get both a solid str and dex score, and since you most likely arent going to be slinging lvl 9 spells around while wearing that armour, you might as well take advantage of your +1 dodge skill and get some EV for the win.

Wednesday, 25th March 2015, 00:52 by tasonir

My last tournament win wore CPA and trained dodging: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tasonir/mor ... 040128.txt

That being said, I'd actually argue somewhat against it. I didn't get the EV returns I was expecting. That character was somewhat extreme, though - Naga means less dodging, but I also had 49 dex. Seriously, 49. That was with an agility potion active, and I had phasing, for a total of 39 EV. But without phasing/agility, it was around 25ish, I don't recall exactly. With 21.2 armor and 18.7 dodging.

Having 25 ev in CPA is nice, but with 15-20 dex you'll probably be up around 15 ev with high armor/dodging, which seems like you might as well stay at 5 ev and not train much dodging, dunno. Certainly the option is there, I was just slightly underwhelmed by it. Your character being medium sized and not having 49 dex will be somewhat different, but I'd probably just learn phase shift (in general, not on trog characters) and call it a day. Since you are with trog, you'll probably eventually train dodging, but do it last.

Wednesday, 25th March 2015, 07:48 by Sar

The difference between 5 and 15 EV isn't non-existent. On heavy armored Nagas I'm usually happy with 20-ish EV, and it feels better than 4-5 EV.

Wednesday, 25th March 2015, 17:37 by tasonir

I didn't mean to imply it was meaningless, just that it was less than I was expecting, training 18 levels of dodging. I'd probably put a bit more into fighting/unarmed/armor if I was playing the same character again.

Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 07:52 by daggaz

So my EV drops to only 25 when I take off those gloves, but still...

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (tiles) character file. Matterhorn the Conqueror (Minotaur Gladiator) Turns: 80414, Time: 04:58:15 HP 267/267 (273) AC 55 Str 24 XL: 27 MP 36/36 EV 34 Int 5 God: Makhleb [******] Gold 8146 SH 0 Dex 26 Spells: 1 memorised, 23 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . i - +14 plutonium sword {Contam Stlth-} rCold + . . Clarity . b - +12 crystal plate armour rNeg . . . rCorr . (no shield) rPois . rRot . X - +2 hat {MR+} rElec . Spirit . S - +1 cloak {rC+} SustAb . Warding . g - +2 pair of fencer's gloves {EV+3 Dex+6 Slay+2} rMut + Stasis . f - +1 pair of boots {run} Gourm . L - amulet of resist mutation MR ++++. C - ring of protection from magic Z - ring of regeneration @: very slightly contaminated, quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, blurry vision 1 a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion }: 5/15 runes: decaying, silver, golden, abyssal, gossamer You are on level 2 of the Depths. You worship Makhleb. Makhleb is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 56 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 2 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove and Ice Cave. You have collected 14405 gold pieces. You have spent 6259 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons i - the +14 plutonium sword (weapon) {Contam Stlth-} (You acquired it on level 1 of the Spider Nest) It causes magical contamination when unequipped. It makes you less stealthy. F - a +2 sacred scourge of holy wrath Armour b - a +12 crystal plate armour (worn) f - a +1 pair of boots of running (worn) g - the +2 pair of fencer's gloves (worn) {EV+3 Dex+6 Slay+2} (You bought it in a shop on level 5 of the Depths) It affects your evasion (+3). It affects your dexterity (+6). It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+2). M - the +1 ratskin cloak {rPois rN+ Dex-1 Int-1} (You found it on level 4 of the Depths) It affects your intelligence (-1). It affects your dexterity (-1). It protects you from poison. It protects you from negative energy. S - a +1 cloak of cold resistance (worn) X - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn) Magical devices m - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} s - a wand of disintegration (14) y - a wand of teleportation (7) J - a wand of disintegration W - a wand of digging Comestibles j - 17 bread rations p - 23 meat rations Scrolls c - 12 scrolls of identify k - 25 scrolls of teleportation l - a scroll of brand weapon n - 11 scrolls of fear t - 12 scrolls of blinking u - a scroll of holy word v - 6 scrolls of remove curse w - 4 scrolls of fog H - 5 scrolls of silence P - a scroll of enchant weapon Q - 8 scrolls of magic mapping V - 9 scrolls of recharging Y - 6 scrolls of summoning Jewellery q - a cursed amulet of clarity x - an uncursed ring of protection from fire z - the ring "Shymay" {+Fly rPois} (You took it off a spriggan berserker on level 5 of the Depths) [ring of poison resistance] It protects you from poison. It lets you fly. C - a ring of protection from magic (right hand) E - the ring "Zigipp" {SustAb Dex+1} (You found it on level 5 of the Swamp) [ring of sustain abilities] It sustains your strength, intelligence and dexterity. It affects your dexterity (+1). G - an uncursed ring of protection from fire K - a +6 ring of protection L - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck) N - the amulet of Paheun {Stasis Dex+3 Int+3} (You took it off an ironbrand convoker on level 5 of the Vaults) [amulet of stasis] It prevents you from being teleported, slowed, hasted or paralysed. It affects your intelligence (+3). It affects your dexterity (+3). O - the ring of Vaigomam {+/*Tele rN+ Dex+2 Int+3} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) [ring of teleportation] It causes random teleportation, and can be evoked to teleport at will. It affects your intelligence (+3). It affects your dexterity (+2). It protects you from negative energy. T - the ring of Dawn {rC+ Slay+3} (You found it on level 5 of the Depths) [ring of protection from cold] It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3). It protects you from cold. U - a cursed amulet of resist corrosion Z - a ring of regeneration (left hand) Potions a - 7 potions of invisibility d - 4 potions of cancellation e - 9 potions of haste h - 7 potions of magic o - 4 potions of flight r - 2 potions of resistance A - 2 potions of heal wounds B - 6 potions of restore abilities D - 3 potions of agility I - 2 potions of cure mutation R - 2 potions of might Skills: O Level 27 Fighting O Level 27 Long Blades - Level 2.0 Throwing O Level 27 Armour + Level 25.8 Dodging - Level 15.0 Invocations You have 23 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #......... 100% 3 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (0/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (3/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (5/5) Lair:5 Spider (5/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2 Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Zot (0/5) Depths:5 Altars: Cheibriados Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Okawaru Sif Muna Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:5 [ D:8 [ D:12 % Orc:2 * Orc:4 ([[( Vaults:1 :!% Depths:5 [:* Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Annotations: Spider:4 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee. You have a pair of horns on your head. Your vision is a little blurry. Message History You pass through the gate. Welcome back to the Depths! There is a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss here. You start resting. HP restored. You start waiting. You feel yourself speed up. You start waiting. Your extra speed is starting to run out. You start waiting. You feel yourself slow down. You start waiting. You feel less exhausted. Identify which item? (\ to view known items) (? for menu, Esc to quit) As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust. F - a +2 sacred scourge of holy wrath Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Matterhorn the Minotaur Gladiator. Blood and souls for Makhleb! 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Vanquished Creatures Khufu (Tomb:2) 16 greater mummies 7 ancient liches Saint Roka (Orc:4) Boris (twice) (Depths:4 Crypt:2) Sojobo (Depths:2) the Lernaean hydra (Swamp:5) Norris (Spider:2) Mara (Depths:3) 2 profane servitors 4 bone dragons 3 golden dragons A Hell Sentinel (Abyss:2) 8 liches 2 hellephants (Abyss:2) Asterion (Spider:2) 11 tentacled monstrosities 2 Ice Fiends A titan (Depths:4) 2 deep elf blademasters (Elf:3) 3 quicksilver dragons 2 Shadow Fiends 2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3) 2 Executioners 15 sphinxes 5 storm dragons An octopode crusher (Depths:1) 3 thorn hunters 4 tengu reavers An acid blob (Vaults:5) 14 tentacled starspawn Agnes (Vaults:2) 2 daevas 8 ancient champions 2 revenants 2 azure jellies 13 frost giants 11 fire giants 15 vault wardens Donald (Spider:3) Wiglaf (Spider:4) 2 cacodemons 5 ghost moths 8 deep elf sorcerers An orc warlord (Orc:3) A draconian knight (Depths:5) A draconian scorcher (Abyss:2) Aizul (Spider:3) Louise (Spider:3) A balrug (Abyss:2) 15 emperor scorpions An angel (Abyss:2) 8 ghouls Gastronok (Lair:2) Jorgrun (Swamp:3) 6 war gargoyles A draconian annihilator (Depths:5) A green draconian (Vaults:5) 8 reapers 10 very ugly things 5 rakshasas 9 deep elf demonologists 3 curse skulls 6 spriggan defenders 3 grey draconians 20 stone giants 4 vampire knights A purple draconian (Elf:3) 3 lorocyprocas Azrael (Elf:3) A mottled draconian (Spider:3) 8 deep elf annihilators A black draconian (Abyss:2) 5 dire elephants 2 yellow draconians 2 pale draconians (Vaults:5) 2 unborn 32 vault guards 8 deep elf death magi 7 minotaurs 7 fire dragons A blizzard demon (Depths:3) 20 mummy priests 4 crystal guardians A green death (Abyss:2) Josephine (D:12) 14 ettins 24 yaktaur captains 8 deep elf high priests 20 ironheart preservers Fannar (Elf:1) 6 ice dragons 12 jiangshi A quicksilver dragon skeleton (Crypt:3) 10 great orbs of eyes 13 alligators 6 centaur warriors 13 ogre magi 21 hydras 4 spriggan air magi (Depths:5) An alligator (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 3 ghost crabs 2 shambling mangroves 2 alligator snapping turtles 2 death knights (Crypt:1) 3 anacondas 2 dancing weapons (Depths:4) 20 death yaks 3 vampire magi 2 satyrs 3 deep troll shamans 7 deep troll earth magi 2 tengu warriors 12 thrashing horrors 2 titan zombies 3 orc high priests (Depths:5) 10 soul eaters 4 hell hogs 6 spriggan berserkers A titan skeleton (Crypt:1) A catoblepas (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) A fire crab (Spider:5) A storm dragon zombie (Crypt:3) 13 hell knights 3 catoblepae 14 wretched stars 3 spatial maelstroms (Abyss:2) 2 shadow wraiths 16 deep trolls A sun demon (Orc:4) 20 deep elf knights 2 death drakes (Abyss:2) A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) An iron troll (Depths:5) 2 flayed ghosts 11 giant orange brains 36 skeletal warriors A storm dragon skeleton (Vaults:2) An anaconda zombie (Crypt:3) 56 large abominations 2 ghost moth zombies 12 deep elf summoners 7 ice devils 12 orb spiders 4 unseen horrors A golden dragon skeleton (Crypt:1) An ice statue (IceCv) 12 swamp dragons 3 shadow dragon zombies 95 starcursed masses A hill giant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 2 wolf spider zombies An anaconda skeleton (Tomb:2) 22 deep elf conjurers 2 tengu zombies (Depths:2) 15 orc knights 6 orc sorcerers 38 wolf spiders 14 necromancers 2 lindwurms (shapeshifter) 3 sphinx zombies 36 ugly things 11 phantasmal warriors 5 harpies 20 ironbrand convokers A shining eye (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) A fire giant zombie (Crypt:3) A spectral alligator (Crypt:2) An ugly thing zombie (Vaults:2) 9 griffons 11 hill giants 4 oklob plants (Depths:3) 3 frost giant zombies 4 stone giant zombies 2 iron dragon zombies A shadow dragon skeleton (Vaults:4) 5 wizards A water nymph (Vaults:4) 3 manticores 5 elephants (Lair:7) A shining eye (Abyss:2) A black mamba (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 9 cyclopes A draconian (Abyss:2) 7 red wasps 2 moths of wrath 8 worldbinders (Abyss:2) A faun (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 9 black mambas 8 sixfirhies A dire elephant zombie (Tomb:3) 2 stone giant skeletons 12 smoke demons 6 apocalypse crabs 16 vault sentinels 5 guardian serpents 2 octopodes 3 eyes of devastation 20 spiny frogs 3 mermaids 9 fire giant skeletons 3 torpor snails 9 gargoyles A feature mimic (Orc:2) A yaktaur zombie (Vaults:3) 2 orange demons (Abyss:2) 2 emperor scorpion zombies A centaur skeleton (D:12) A grey draconian zombie (Crypt:1) 2 storm dragon simulacra 3 tormentors (Abyss:2) A dire elephant skeleton (Crypt:3) 2 titan simulacra 3 anaconda simulacra 12 ancient zymes 5 komodo dragons 27 demonic crawlers 4 fire drakes 3 efreet A redback zombie (Crypt:2) 6 kobold demonologists 54 yaktaurs 2 elves (shapeshifter) 2 hellwings (Abyss:2) A ghoul skeleton (Vaults:2) 2 tengu conjurers A harpy zombie (Tomb:3) 106 guardian mummies 12 trolls A wolf spider simulacrum (IceCv) 2 yaktaur skeletons 19 two-headed ogres 3 spriggan druids 3 silent spectres 5 red devils 5 blue devils A queen bee (shapeshifter) (Spider:5) 13 deep elf priests 9 freezing wraiths 2 hydra zombies (Crypt:3) 2 minotaur zombies A death drake zombie (Crypt:2) A slime creature (shapeshifter) (Abyss:2) A queen bee (Abyss:3) A moth of wrath zombie (Depths:4) A wind drake (Vaults:3) 31 jumping spiders 6 giant leeches A polar bear (shapeshifter) (D:13) 6 polar bears A raiju (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 7 bog bodies 2 hydra skeletons 32 deep elf magi 17 ravens 4 ettin zombies A harpy skeleton (Crypt:3) A wind drake (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) A fire giant simulacrum (Vaults:5) 20 slime creatures 49 redbacks 2 trapdoor spider zombies (D:12) A griffon zombie (Vaults:2) 33 raiju 5 baby alligators 22 blink frogs A fire dragon zombie (Depths:1) 4 spriggan zombies 5 boulder beetles A griffon skeleton (D:15) A snapping turtle (Spider:5) A black mamba zombie (Tomb:2) A satyr skeleton (Crypt:2) 5 basilisks 10 fire dragon skeletons A shapeshifter (Depths:5) 2 wyverns An ettin skeleton (Vaults:3) 40 flying skulls 4 wandering mushrooms (Lair:5) 19 spriggans 20 shadows A trapdoor spider (shapeshifter) (Depths:1) A hog (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 16 wraiths 41 yaks 17 trapdoor spiders 4 air elementals 24 tarantellas 2 water elementals A dire elephant simulacrum (IceCv) 14 vampires 19 ynoxinuls A black mamba skeleton (Tomb:2) 21 vampire mosquitoes 4 fire elementals (Elf:3) 4 golden eyes 13 chaos spawn 17 neqoxecs 13 hungry ghosts Grum (Orc:1) A fire bat (Abyss:2) 43 deep elf fighters A golden eye (shapeshifter) (D:15) 36 humans A hill giant skeleton (D:14) 9 hippogriffs Edmund (D:7) An iron troll simulacrum (IceCv) A faun zombie (Crypt:2) 7 harpy simulacra (IceCv) A torturous demonspawn zombie (Crypt:1) A soldier ant (D:12) 11 wargs 2 death yak simulacra (IceCv) 24 swamp worms 51 wolves 2 deep troll zombies 8 hell hounds 22 water moccasins A gelid demonspawn skeleton (Crypt:3) 3 mottled dragons 3 spatial vortices (Abyss:2) 3 hydra simulacra (IceCv) 2 dwarves (shapeshifter) A dwarf (Vaults:1) An ice dragon simulacrum (Depths:1) 10 black bears 4 ice beasts 38 small abominations 4 porcupines A porcupine (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 2 snapping turtle zombies 6 necrophages 33 spiders 15 swamp drakes 61 orc warriors 3 phantoms 3 sky beasts A manticore zombie (D:10) A black mamba simulacrum (Tomb:2) 2 ettin simulacra 9 yellow wasps 54 ogres 7 centaurs A manticore skeleton (Crypt:3) A boring beetle (Spider:5) A snapping turtle skeleton (Crypt:3) Sigmund (D:7) A lost soul (Crypt:2) A brain worm (Abyss:2) 3 earth elementals An octopode zombie (Vaults:5) 17 crocodiles 6 big kobolds A cyclops zombie (D:9) 18 giant frogs 3 human simulacra 11 scorpions A wyvern zombie (Crypt:1) 9 insubstantial wisps 2 elephant simulacra (IceCv) A polar bear zombie (Crypt:2) A troll zombie (D:8) 27 wights An eye of draining (Abyss:2) 12 killer bees 5 electric eels 3 spriggan skeletons A troll skeleton (D:12) A hippogriff skeleton (D:7) 8 crimson imps 17 goliath beetles 7 jellies 9 hounds 2 giant frog zombies A giant frog skeleton (D:10) 13 human zombies 2 draconian simulacra (IceCv) 8 two-headed ogre zombies A kobold zombie (Vaults:2) Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 47 orc priests 6 quasits 3 gnoll shamans 7 iron imps (Abyss:2) 4 orange rats An elf zombie (D:13) 8 human skeletons 43 worker ants A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:8) 10 iguanas 3 elf skeletons 33 orc wizards 6 troll simulacra (IceCv) A wolf simulacrum (IceCv) 38 sheep A sky beast zombie (D:12) A big kobold zombie (Vaults:2) 3 centaur simulacra (IceCv) Jessica (Vaults:2) A tengu skeleton (Crypt:1) 2 elf simulacra 4 ogre zombies A big kobold skeleton (Crypt:2) 4 ogre skeletons 2 hound skeletons 46 mummies A worker ant zombie (D:7) 20 adders 21 gnolls An ogre simulacrum (IceCv) 54 green rats A naga simulacrum (IceCv) 7 shadow imps 2 worms (D:2) 8 white imps 3 giant mites An orc simulacrum (D:12) 34 ufetubi An iguana zombie (Crypt:1) An adder skeleton (Crypt:1) 2 giant eyeballs (Depths:5) 4 giant geckos 2 oozes (D:2) 250 orcs 18 bats 2 bat skeletons 2 giant cockroaches 21 goblins 28 hobgoblins 3 jackals 32 kobolds 2 ball pythons A giant gecko zombie (Crypt:1) A giant mite zombie (Crypt:2) 9 giant newts 2 giant spores A hobgoblin skeleton (D:4) 2 kobold skeletons A lava orc skeleton (Crypt:1) 3 lurking horrors (Abyss:2) 3 orc skeletons 7 orc zombies 9 quokkas A quokka zombie (D:10) 15 rats 6 crawling corpses 3 fungi 4 plants 2 starspawn tentacles (Abyss:2) 3809 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A vault warden (Vaults:2) 2 minotaurs (Vaults:2) A vault guard (Vaults:2) 2 ironheart preservers A yaktaur captain (Vaults:2) A deep elf knight (Vaults:4) A soul eater (Tomb:3) A deep elf conjurer (Vaults:4) A necromancer (Vaults:2) A wolf spider (Vaults:4) A vault sentinel (Vaults:2) 2 deep elf fighters (Vaults:4) A deep elf mage (Vaults:4) A swamp worm (Swamp:1) An ufetubus (Tomb:2) 18 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A greater mummy (Tomb:2) A titan (Depths:4) A cacodemon (Swamp:5) A very ugly thing (Vaults:3) A vampire knight (Crypt:1) 3 green deaths A mummy priest (Tomb:2) A jiangshi (Crypt:3) A vault guard (Vaults:5) An ogre mage (Vaults:1) A thrashing horror (Abyss:3) A wretched star (Abyss:3) A soul eater (Tomb:2) 2 skeletal warriors A tengu zombie (Depths:2) 3 necromancers A wolf spider (Spider:5) A sixfirhy (Abyss:2) A worldbinder (Abyss:2) A moth of wrath (Spider:5) A frost giant skeleton (Tomb:2) A dire elephant skeleton (Tomb:2) 4 guardian mummies 2 raiju (Abyss:2) A bog body (Crypt:2) 2 ravens A slime creature (Vaults:1) A flying skull (Crypt:3) A fire dragon skeleton (Crypt:3) A swamp worm (shapeshifter) (Depths:2) 2 deep elf fighters A swamp worm (Swamp:5) A chaos spawn (Abyss:2) A vampire mosquito (Swamp:5) A hell hound (Abyss:2) A water moccasin (Swamp:1) A small abomination (Abyss:2) A swamp dragon zombie (Abyss:2) A crocodile (Lair:7) 17 lost souls A human zombie (Vaults:2) An insubstantial wisp (Abyss:2) A human simulacrum (Vaults:2) An iron imp (Vaults:2) 3 orange rats 3 worker ants (Abyss:2) A mummy (Tomb:2) 4 white imps (IceCv) 4 ufetubi (IceCv) 2 orcs 2 briar patches 2 bushes (Lair:8) A crawling corpse (Elf:3) 11 fungi 2 plants 30 starspawn tentacles 186 starspawn tentacle segments 322 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 4149 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Matterhorn, the Minotaur Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1 90 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Long Blades 142 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/25 MP: 1/1 338 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades 709 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 30/30 MP: 2/2 1014 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Long Blades 1014 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 29/37 MP: 2/2 1631 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 1640 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 1869 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 17/42 MP: 2/2 1872 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Long Blades 2913 | D:3 | Reached skill level 8 in Long Blades 3036 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 50/50 MP: 3/3 3333 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Long Blades 3762 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3771 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3771 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 56/56 MP: 3/3 3829 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Long Blades 3938 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4393 | D:4 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 4415 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Long Blades 4638 | D:5 | Found Chusam's Armour Shop. 4807 | D:5 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 4809 | D:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 4809 | D:5 | Noticed a green death 4809 | D:5 | Noticed an angel 4812 | D:5 | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer 4905 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 8/62 MP: 3/3 5287 | D:6 | Reached skill level 12 in Long Blades 5407 | D:6 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 5440 | D:6 | Acquired Makhleb's first power 5452 | D:6 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 5471 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 6062 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6205 | D:7 | Acquired Makhleb's second power 6231 | D:7 | Reached skill level 13 in Long Blades 6231 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 68/71 MP: 4/4 6262 | D:7 | Noticed Sigmund 6264 | D:7 | Killed Sigmund 6335 | D:7 | Noticed Edmund 6348 | D:7 | Killed Edmund 6392 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 6591 | D:7 | Got a transparent large shield 6662 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 6821 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 7045 | D:8 | Reached skill level 14 in Long Blades 7145 | D:8 | Noticed a skeletal warrior 7165 | D:8 | Killed a skeletal warrior 7166 | D:8 | Acquired Makhleb's third power 7185 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 82/84 MP: 4/4 7200 | D:8 | Identified Zeluno's Almanac of Changing (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 7332 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant 7339 | D:8 | Killed a hill giant 7731 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 7798 | D:8 | Reached skill level 15 in Long Blades 7849 | D:8 | Found Phak's Antique Armour Emporium. 8001 | D:9 | Got an ancient iron ring 8008 | D:9 | Identified the ring of Patience {Fire Str+3 Int+3} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) 8066 | D:9 | Acquired Makhleb's fourth power 8090 | D:9 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 8871 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 9513 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 95/95 MP: 4/4 9519 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Long Blades 9592 | Lair:2 | Acquired Makhleb's fifth power 9651 | Lair:2 | Got a polished plate armour 9783 | Lair:1 | Identified the +5 plate armour "Zeihonog" {rPois Int-4} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 9950 | Lair:2 | Noticed Gastronok 9963 | Lair:2 | Killed Gastronok 10624 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 17 in Long Blades 10683 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 10882 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 11054 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 107/107 MP: 5/5 11450 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 12587 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 18 in Long Blades 13037 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 13475 | Lair:6 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 13481 | Lair:6 | Killed a nine-headed hydra 13538 | Lair:6 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 13565 | Lair:6 | Gained mutation: You are agile. (Dex +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 13785 | Lair:6 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 13796 | Lair:6 | Killed a ten-headed hydra 14426 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 19 in Long Blades 14438 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 118/118 MP: 5/5 14997 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 14997 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 15682 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 15840 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 20 in Long Blades 16300 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 130/130 MP: 5/5 16769 | Lair:8 | Identified the cursed +5 large shield of Space {+Blink MR+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 17174 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 17269 | D:10 | Got a sparkling bronze ring 17278 | D:10 | Identified the ring of Vaigomam {+/*Tele rN+ Dex+2 Int+3} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) 17563 | D:10 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 18054 | D:11 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 18235 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 18859 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 18859 | Orc:1 | Noticed Grum 18871 | Orc:1 | Killed Grum 18904 | Orc:1 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 19192 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour 19590 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 19983 | Orc:2 | Found Waoragaa's General Store. 20124 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 45 gold pieces 20533 | Orc:3 | Noticed an orc warlord 20543 | Orc:3 | Killed an orc warlord 20932 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 21224 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 21302 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 21311 | Orc:4 | Found Ishufu Smof's Armour Emporium. 21545 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 21787 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 21816 | Orc:4 | Found Ufumn's Weapon Emporium. 21930 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 21994 | Orc:4 | Noticed Saint Roka 22021 | Orc:4 | Killed Saint Roka 22021 | Orc:4 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 45/141 MP: 6/6 22548 | Orc:4 | Found Areblyuz's Antique Armour Boutique. 22548 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 22552 | Orc:4 | Found Gradofaf's Antique Weapon Shop. 22569 | Orc:4 | Bought a runed plate armour for 391 gold pieces 22626 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces 22626 | Orc:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces 22626 | Orc:2 | Bought a +0 crystal plate armour for 1040 gold pieces 22785 | Orc:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 23012 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest 23207 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 23949 | Spider:2 | Noticed Arachne 23977 | Spider:2 | Noticed Arachne 23977 | Spider:2 | Arachne changed into Arachne the golden dragon 23979 | Spider:2 | Killed Arachne the golden dragon 24007 | Spider:2 | Noticed Norris 24008 | Spider:2 | Paralysed by Norris for 3 turns 24024 | Spider:2 | Paralysed by Norris for 3 turns 24030 | Spider:2 | Paralysed by Norris for 3 turns 24043 | Spider:2 | Killed Norris 24043 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 21 in Long Blades 24360 | Spider:2 | Noticed Asterion 24374 | Spider:2 | Killed Asterion 24667 | Spider:3 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 24673 | Spider:3 | Noticed Aizul 24678 | Spider:3 | Killed Aizul 24754 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 22 in Long Blades 24771 | Spider:3 | Noticed Donald 24775 | Spider:3 | Killed Donald 24787 | Spider:3 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 149/149 MP: 1/6 24819 | Spider:3 | Noticed Louise 24820 | Spider:3 | Noticed Frances 24825 | Spider:3 | Killed Louise 24829 | Spider:3 | Noticed Frances 24829 | Spider:3 | Frances changed into Frances the mottled draconian 24833 | Spider:3 | Killed Frances the mottled draconian 25267 | Spider:3 | Noticed a Shadow Fiend 25267 | Spider:3 | a demonic crawler changed into a Shadow Fiend 25272 | Spider:3 | Killed a Shadow Fiend 25625 | Spider:4 | Found a frozen archway. 25639 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 26283 | IceCv | Reached skill level 23 in Long Blades 26409 | IceCv | Noticed an Ice Fiend 26435 | IceCv | Killed an Ice Fiend 26826 | Spider:4 | Noticed Roxanne 26909 | Spider:4 | Noticed Wiglaf 26923 | Spider:4 | Killed Wiglaf 27352 | Spider:4 | Identified the Guide on Summoning 27692 | Spider:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Spider Nest 27844 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 24 in Long Blades 28858 | Spider:5 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 156/156 MP: 6/6 28926 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 25 in Long Blades 28941 | Spider:5 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot 29226 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 29635 | D:12 | Noticed Josephine 29651 | D:12 | Killed Josephine 29841 | D:12 | Found Kaaphad's Food Shop. 30237 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 30237 | D:13 | Noticed Rupert 30247 | D:13 | Paralysed by Rupert for 7 turns 30255 | D:13 | Noticed Rupert 30255 | D:13 | Rupert changed into Rupert the quicksilver dragon 30257 | D:13 | Killed Rupert the quicksilver dragon 30551 | D:12 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 31065 | D:14 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 31083 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 32059 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 32301 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 32735 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths 33296 | Depths:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 33484 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell. 33574 | Depths:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 158/163 MP: 28/28 34137 | Depths:2 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss. 34315 | Depths:2 | Noticed Sojobo 34345 | Depths:2 | Killed Sojobo 35004 | Depths:2 | Noticed a greater mummy 35016 | Depths:2 | Killed a greater mummy 35104 | Depths:2 | Got a warped hat 35115 | Depths:2 | Identified the -5 hat of Cowardice {+Blink rN+ Str+3 Int+3} (You acquired it on level 2 of the Depths) 35265 | Depths:3 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 35399 | Depths:3 | Noticed Mara 35402 | Depths:3 | Noticed Matterhorn's illusion 35689 | Depths:2 | Reached skill level 15 in Invocations 35695 | Depths:3 | Noticed Matterhorn's illusion 35798 | Depths:3 | Noticed Matterhorn's illusion 35845 | Depths:3 | Noticed Matterhorn's illusion 35848 | Depths:3 | Noticed Mara 35848 | Depths:3 | Mara changed into Mara the tentacled monstrosity 35852 | Depths:3 | Killed Mara the tentacled monstrosity 36424 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 37347 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 162/172 MP: 32/32 37756 | Vaults:1 | Found Blifaz's Distillery. 37756 | Vaults:1 | Found Pre Bleu's Food Shop. 37796 | Vaults:1 | Bought 2 potions of heal wounds for 72 gold pieces 37938 | Vaults:1 | Found Psuel's Book Shop. 38593 | Depths:3 | Noticed Matterhorn's illusion 38664 | Depths:3 | Killed Mara 38757 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium. 39830 | Depths:4 | Noticed Frederick 39835 | Depths:4 | Noticed Frederick 39835 | Depths:4 | Frederick changed into Frederick the titan 39841 | Depths:4 | Killed Frederick the titan 40528 | Depths:4 | Noticed Margery 40552 | Depths:4 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 188/188 MP: 33/33 40584 | Depths:4 | Noticed Margery 40584 | Depths:4 | Margery changed into Margery the titan 40586 | Depths:4 | Killed Margery the titan 40819 | Depths:4 | Noticed Boris 40834 | Depths:4 | Killed Boris 40919 | Depths:4 | Noticed an ancient lich 40947 | Depths:4 | Killed an ancient lich 41074 | Depths:4 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure. 41466 | D:8 | Bought a smoking ice dragon armour for 2015 gold pieces 41480 | D:8 | Identified the +0 ice dragon armour of Pnicoshi {rF- rC++ MR++ SInv} (You bought it in a shop on level 8 of the Dungeon) 42050 | Vaults:2 | Found a staircase to the Crypt. 42050 | Vaults:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 42056 | Vaults:2 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 42992 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Jessica 42993 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Agnes 42999 | Vaults:2 | Killed Jessica 43003 | Vaults:2 | Killed Agnes 43576 | Vaults:3 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 196/196 MP: 33/33 46186 | Vaults:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Vaults 46287 | Vaults:5 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 208/208 MP: 34/34 46900 | Vaults:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 46933 | Vaults:5 | Killed an ancient lich 47441 | Vaults:5 | Got a silver rune of Zot 48069 | Vaults:5 | Got a jewelled hat 48080 | Vaults:5 | Identified the -2 hat "Zuhugaedu" {rF+} (You acquired it on level 5 of the Vaults) 48158 | Vaults:5 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 220/220 MP: 34/34 48266 | Vaults:5 | Got a brightly glowing diamond amulet 48267 | Vaults:5 | Identified the amulet of Paheun {Stasis Dex+3 Int+3} (You took it off an ironbrand convoker on level 5 of the Vaults) 48348 | Vaults:5 | Noticed an ancient lich 48357 | Vaults:5 | Killed an ancient lich 48383 | Vaults:5 | Identified the Catalogue of Quantum Unholy Rites 49249 | Depths:4 | You paid a toll of a +3 ice dragon armour to enter a treasure trove 49250 | Trove | Entered a treasure trove 49538 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths 49592 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 49599 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 49607 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 49924 | Depths:5 | Got a sparkling brass ring 49933 | Depths:5 | Identified the ring "Shymay" {+Fly rPois} (You took it off a spriggan berserker on level 5 of the Depths) 49982 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 49989 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 50005 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot. 50086 | Depths:5 | Got a fine sapphire amulet 50089 | Depths:5 | Identified the amulet of the Thirteen Songs {Inacc rC++} (You found it on level 5 of the Depths) 50208 | Depths:5 | Got a heavily runed glass ring 50209 | Depths:5 | Identified the ring of Dawn {rC+ Slay+3} (You found it on level 5 of the Depths) 50257 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 50399 | Depths:5 | Got a brightly glowing ivory ring 50400 | Depths:5 | Identified the ring of Uteiphi {+/*Tele Stlth++} (You found it on level 5 of the Depths) 50502 | Depths:5 | Found Gutienk's Book Shop. 50653 | Depths:5 | Found Zeacroih's Antique Armour Boutique. 50679 | Depths:5 | Bought the +2 pair of fencer's gloves {EV+3 Dex+6 Slay+2} for 2644 gold pieces 50823 | Depths:5 | Found Karan's Assorted Antiques. 51529 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 52800 | Swamp:3 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 238/238 MP: 35/35 53097 | Swamp:3 | Noticed Jorgrun 53106 | Swamp:3 | Killed Jorgrun 54115 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp 54188 | Swamp:5 | Got a twitching lead ring 54189 | Swamp:5 | Identified the ring "Zigipp" {SustAb Dex+1} (You found it on level 5 of the Swamp) 54471 | Swamp:5 | Noticed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra 54484 | Swamp:5 | Killed the 26-headed Lernaean hydra 54571 | Swamp:5 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 55243 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 55424 | Elf:1 | Noticed Fannar 55431 | Elf:1 | Killed Fannar 55856 | Elf:1 | Got an encrusted hat 55867 | Elf:1 | Identified the -1 hat of Tartarus {Str+5 Int+4} (You acquired it on level 1 of the Elven Halls) 56918 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls 56950 | Elf:3 | Noticed Azrael 56957 | Elf:3 | Killed Azrael 57175 | Elf:3 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 57546 | Elf:3 | Gained mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes. [a neqoxec] 57975 | Elf:3 | Got a shimmering ruby amulet 57976 | Elf:3 | Identified the amulet "Miepaiss" {rCorr rF- rN+} (You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 58482 | Elf:3 | Got an ancient silver ring 58483 | Elf:3 | Identified the ring "Poaninug" {Wiz Stlth++} (You took it off a deep elf priest on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 58492 | Elf:3 | Reached XP level 25. HP: 245/245 MP: 35/35 58494 | Elf:3 | Got a crude iron ring 58528 | Elf:3 | Got a pair of steaming gloves 58529 | Elf:3 | Identified the ring of Strys {Contam MP+9 Str+4} (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 58531 | Elf:3 | Identified the cursed -1 pair of gloves of Inaction {rF+ Dex+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 58597 | Elf:3 | Identified a +1 pair of boots of running (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 58989 | Crypt:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt 60094 | Crypt:2 | Noticed Boris 60099 | Crypt:2 | Killed Boris 60964 | Crypt:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Crypt 61399 | Crypt:3 | Found a staircase to the Tomb. 61907 | Crypt:3 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 61959 | Crypt:3 | Noticed an ancient lich 61981 | Crypt:3 | Killed an ancient lich 62749 | Tomb:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Tomb of the Ancients 65400 | Tomb:2 | Reached XP level 26. HP: 17/258 MP: 36/36 65413 | Tomb:2 | HP: 7/258 [greater mummy/divine providence (15)] 65923 | Tomb:2 | Noticed Khufu 65950 | Tomb:2 | Gained mutation: Your vision is a little blurry. [a neqoxec] 66577 | Tomb:2 | Killed Khufu 68551 | Depths:5 | Lost mutation: You are agile. (Dex +2) [potion of cure mutation] 68551 | Depths:5 | Lost mutation: Your vision is a little blurry. [potion of cure mutation] 68551 | Depths:5 | Lost mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of cure mutation] 68551 | Depths:5 | Lost mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes. [potion of cure mutation] 69325 | Tomb:2 | Gained mutation: You are frail (-10% HP). [a cacodemon] 69332 | Tomb:2 | Gained mutation: You are very frail (-20% HP). [a cacodemon] 70102 | Tomb:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients 70936 | Tomb:3 | Reached skill level 26 in Fighting 70942 | Tomb:3 | Noticed an ancient lich 71354 | Tomb:2 | Killed an ancient lich 72328 | Tomb:3 | Noticed an ancient lich 72355 | Tomb:3 | Killed an ancient lich 72600 | Tomb:3 | Got a flickering ivory ring 72601 | Tomb:3 | Identified the ring of Gucho {AC+4 Str+2 Dex+1} (You found it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients) 72745 | Tomb:3 | Got a golden rune of Zot 73740 | Crypt:3 | Lost mutation: You are very frail (-20% HP). [potion of cure mutation] 73740 | Crypt:3 | Lost mutation: You are frail (-10% HP). [potion of cure mutation] 74286 | Depths:2 | Voluntarily entered the Abyss. 74511 | Abyss:1 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 75015 | Abyss:3 | Reached XP level 27. HP: 270/270 MP: 36/36 75042 | Abyss:3 | Got an abyssal rune of Zot 75149 | Abyss:3 | Noticed an ancient lich 75158 | Abyss:3 | Killed an ancient lich 75235 | Depths:2 | Escaped the Abyss 75239 | Depths:2 | Voluntarily entered the Abyss. 75490 | Abyss:1 | Reached skill level 27 in Fighting 76289 | Abyss:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 77309 | Abyss:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 77645 | Abyss:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 77726 | Abyss:2 | Reached skill level 27 in Armour 78058 | Abyss:2 | Paralysed by accursed screaming for 1 turns 78283 | Abyss:2 | Gained mutation: Your vision is a little blurry. [a neqoxec] 78667 | Abyss:2 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu. 79293 | Abyss:2 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu. 79461 | Abyss:2 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu. 79633 | Abyss:2 | Paralysed by accursed screaming for 1 turns 79637 | Abyss:2 | Reached skill level 27 in Long Blades 79814 | Abyss:2 | Paralysed by accursed screaming for 1 turns 79820 | Abyss:2 | Paralysed by accursed screaming for 1 turns 80070 | Abyss:2 | Paralysed by accursed screaming for 1 turns 80088 | Abyss:2 | Paralysed by you for 4 turns 80376 | Depths:2 | Escaped the Abyss Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Long sword | 97 | 41 | | | | | | | || 138 Great sword | | 97 | 326 | 706 | 1181 | | | | || 2310 Claymore | | | | | 200 | 1364 | 1715 | 1743 | 2526 || 7548 Unarmed | | | | | | | | | 2 || 2 Throw: Throwing net | | 3 | 2 | | | | | | || 5 Invok: Greater Servant o | | | | | | | 3 | 2 | 3 || 8 Abil: Evoke Teleportati | | | | | | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 8 | 14 | 19 | 16 | 2 | | 6 || 66 Use: Scroll | 3 | 7 | 8 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 9 | 23 | 22 || 126 Potion | | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 11 | 8 | 5 | 34 || 64 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | | | | | | | | || 1 Held in net/web | | 1 | 2 | | | 1 | | | || 4 Invisible | | | | | 3 | | | | || 3 Confused | | | | | 1 | 5 | 1 | | 2 || 9 Petrifying | | | | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 || 8 Distracted | | | | | | 1 | 4 | | 2 || 7 Fleeing | | | | | | 1 | | | || 1 Eat: Chunk | | 9 | 8 | 12 | 12 | 3 | 7 | 3 | || 54 Beef jerky | | | 1 | 4 | 2 | 2 | | 7 | 5 || 21 Fruit | | | 2 | | 18 | 9 | | 8 | 5 || 42 Pizza | | | | 1 | | 2 | | 3 | 2 || 8 Royal jelly | | | | 2 | 2 | 8 | 1 | | 3 || 16 Bread ration | | | | | 1 | | 5 | 3 | 7 || 16 Meat ration | | | | | | 1 | | | 6 || 7

Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 08:07 by Magipi

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.0 (tiles) character file.

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Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 16:50 by mrthehoople

I've started playing tank characters with lighter armour these days. My gut feeling is that 30AC and 15 EV is better than 40AC and 5EV in terms of general survivability. And it's obviously cheaper getting dodging from 0 to 10 than getting armour from 10 to 20 even if your race bonus is better for armour. You can also splash magic for some utility spells more easily in ring mail than in crystal plate. (Although berserkers can't I guess). Anyone agree/disagree

Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 18:22 by dowan

You should update to 16.1, 16.0 has a bug where player melee attacks do double damage. I won my only felid in 16.0, and I am wondering if I have to do it again in 16.1, otherwise my offline greatplayer title will be even more meaningless.

Training dodging with crystal plate?

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