Qblade vs rapier

[mopl]

I have a character going who just stole Nikola's nice rapier.

Stats 14/18/22, SB 12

I can't fsim, what is better : +9 vanilla qblade or +4 elec rapier ?

What if I raise SB to 14 ? and enchant the rapier to +9 ?

Thx

[Magipi]

I guess the elec weapon is better against anything that does not resist elec.

[Lasty]

Almost certainly the rapier. Vanilla quickblades do remarkably bad damage to anything with even modest AC.

[DrKe]

even on a VS the rapier wins

[mopl]

Wow, that's rude...
What brand could make the qblade better ? Just got pierce...

What configuration makes a qblade useful ?

[DrKe]

Wow, that's rude...
What brand could make the qblade better ? Just got pierce...

What configuration makes a qblade useful ?

per hit brands (disto, pain, elec, draining, chaos to some extent), being a VS, slaying items

also a fast elec weapon is hard to beat, something like a freezing rapier would fare worse in comparison

[acvar]

even on a VS the rapier wins

I strongly disagree.

[DrKe]

even on a VS the rapier wins

I strongly disagree.

i said that after fsimming it to test

[acvar]

even on a VS the rapier wins

I strongly disagree.

i said that after fsimming it to test

How much slaying bonus? How much short blades skill? Going from 8-14 skill is not trivial for a VS.

I just did a fsim with one of my VS. With slaying the qblade was almots double vs a fire giant. Without slaying the numbers were ~60 for the qblade and ~49 for the elec cutlass/rapier. Not sure what you are doing to get other numbers? What are your str+dex when you do the fsim?

[XuaXua]

Does that include the VS's recovery?

[DrKe]

there are many, many scenarios where the qb would win on a VS or even on a non VS

it was an expression of how much better the rapier is for his character

[XuaXua]

there are many, many scenarios where the qb would win on a VS or even on a non VS

it was an expression of how much better the rapier is for his character

He's never said what type of character.

[DrKe]

he actually did not give sufficient information

[DrKe]

also he's an OpAs

[njvack]

You might also brand the qblade if you have a scroll around.

fsimming a vine stalker sounds tricky because it can't really count the value of antimagic bites. Yeah, you want the death yak to die but you really really want the OOF to not hurt you.

[DrKe]

You might also brand the qblade if you have a scroll around.

fsimming a vine stalker sounds tricky because it can't really count the value of antimagic bites. Yeah, you want the death yak to die but you really really want the OOF to not hurt you.

I strongly agree.

[acvar]

You might also brand the qblade if you have a scroll around.

fsimming a vine stalker sounds tricky because it can't really count the value of antimagic bites. Yeah, you want the death yak to die but you really really want the OOF to not hurt you.

Bah my VS usually just chuck a few silver javs at the OOF to keep them from hurting me. Takes less time then walking arcross the room to melee them.

[XuaXua]

he actually did not give sufficient information

It would have been hilarious for him to come back and be all "I'm a felid; NEITHER IS BETTER!", except that he posted his SB skill.

[daggaz]

Def. brand the qblade if you have/find a scroll. Elec is 'the best', but you are most likely to get ice (i think, its what i usually get). Ice is absolutely fine, fire less so but still ok. Poison is a bit of a bummer because you will at this point in the game be up against enemies with too many HD and HP, as well as poison immune critters. Ditto for draining, which is otherwise plenty fine thru lair.

Obviously the more slaying bonuses you can stack in, the better. Qblades are meh at first even at max enchantment, but get them branded and then add in some slaying and you are definitely a force to be reckoned with. Just remember that if you do zigs, you could very easily find yourself on a floor that is immune to your brand (elec im looking at you).

[mopl]

Probably this gives sufficient information...

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-3939-g9a3e665 (webtiles) character file.

mopl the Imperceptible (Octopode Assassin)         Turns: 74744, Time: 06:49:34

Health: 180/180    AC:  3    Str: 17    XL:     25   Next: 46%
Magic:  38/38      EV: 34    Int: 22    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   5771       SH: 18    Dex: 26    Spells: 0 memorised, 24 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     J - +6 dagger "Wayjela" {speed, +Fly rPois+ MR+ Str+2 Stlth+}
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     F - +3 shield {rF+}
rNeg   + + +     SustAb   .     e - +2 hat
rPois  +         Gourm    .     B - amulet "Yramum" {Ward rF- rN+ MR+ Slay+2}
rElec  .         Spirit   .     t - ring "Thettior" {+Inv rC+ rN+}
rCorr  .         Warding  +     z - +2 ring of dexterity
rMut   .         Stasis   .     C - ring of poison resistance
MR     ++++.                    K - ring of Feijaega {Contam +Inv rF+ rN+ Int+5}
Stlth  ++++++++++               U - ring of protection from magic
                                S - +3 ring of evasion
                                R - +3 ring of strength
                                Z - ring "Pheadoxt" {rF+ Int+4 SInv}

@: very slightly contaminated, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments,
uncannily stealthy
A: almost no armour, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, camouflage 1, gelatinous
body 1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer


You are on level 4 of the Depths.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 52 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ice Cave and Wizlab.

You have collected 7748 gold pieces.
You have spent 1977 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +9 quick blade of freezing
 b - a +9 blowgun
 h - a +2 rapier of speed
 n - a +7 rapier of electrocution
 u - a +7 antimagic quick blade
 D - the +7 dagger "Goucubagg" {antimagic, rElec rPois+ rC+ Str+3 Int-5}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Swamp)   
   
   It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and certain
   magical creatures (including the wielder).
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (-5).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
 J - the +6 dagger "Wayjela" (weapon) {speed, +Fly rPois+ MR+ Str+2 Stlth+}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Vaults)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you fly.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Missiles
 f - 35 curare-tipped needles
 k - 8 needles of frenzy
 s - 7 needles of sleeping
 G - 15 needles of confusion
 H - 37 javelins of penetration (quivered)
 M - 13 tomahawks of dispersal
 V - 5 throwing nets
 W - 2 steel javelins
 Y - 51 poisoned needles
Armour
 e - a +2 hat (worn)
 F - a +3 shield of fire resistance (worn)
Rods
 c - a +8 rod of clouds (15/15)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
Jewellery
 q - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 t - the ring "Thettior" (left tentacle) {+Inv rC+ rN+}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 w - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 z - a +2 ring of dexterity (right tentacle)
 B - the amulet "Yramum" (around mantle) {Ward rF- rN+ MR+ Slay+2}
   (You acquired it on level 3 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 C - a ring of poison resistance (on tentacle)
 K - the ring of Feijaega (on tentacle) {Contam +Inv rF+ rN+ Int+5}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [ring of invisibility]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It causes magical contamination when unequipped.
 L - an uncursed amulet of regeneration
 R - a +3 ring of strength (on tentacle)
 S - a +3 ring of evasion (on tentacle)
 U - a ring of protection from magic (on tentacle)
 Z - the ring "Pheadoxt" (on tentacle) {rF+ Int+4 SInv}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It enhances your eyesight.
Magical devices
 Q - a wand of digging (2)
Scrolls
 o - 4 scrolls of fog
 p - 8 scrolls of magic mapping
 x - 2 scrolls of blinking
 y - 24 scrolls of remove curse
 E - 14 scrolls of teleportation
 N - 3 scrolls of fear
 P - 3 scrolls of silence
Potions
 d - 10 potions of agility
 j - 7 potions of heal wounds
 m - 10 potions of ambrosia
 v - 6 potions of might
 A - 14 potions of curing
 O - 2 potions of resistance
 T - 4 potions of haste
 X - 4 potions of cancellation
Miscellaneous
 i - a lamp of fire
 l - a stone of tremors
 r - a plain deck of escape {drawn: 5}
 I - a lantern of shadows
Comestibles
 g - 8 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 17.0 Fighting
 - Level 14.0 Short Blades
 + Level 22.5 Throwing
 - Level 16.0 Dodging
 + Level 24.2 Stealth
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 + Level 14.2 Evocations


You have 24 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:11
  Swamp (5/5) Lair:4       Spider (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:8
    Orc (4/4) D:10            Elf (3/3) Orc:4        Vaults (4/5) D:14
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3       Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3      Depths (4/5) D:15

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Lugonu

Shops:
D:11 [   Orc:4 =*%:   Vaults:2 *   Depths:1 [

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:4
Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:2 Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:4

Annotations:
Crypt:1 large sh


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear most types of armour.
You are amphibious.
You can wear up to eight rings at the same time.
You can use your tentacles to constrict many enemies at once.
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stealth).
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks (AC +1).


Message History

There is a large open door here.
You see here 13 poisoned bolts.
You see here 16 stones.
You see here 16 stones.
Things that are here:
an arbalest; 25 bolts
Things that are here:
an arbalest; 12 bolts
Done exploring.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You see here 13 poisoned bolts.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Saving game... please wait.
Welcome back, mopl the Octopode Assassin.
Trog says: Kill them all!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.

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There are no monsters in sight!

The qblade was rebranded : protection -> vorpal -> poison -> ice...
Trog gifted a +7 AM qblade
The rapier was enchanted to +7
The Stlth speed dagger allow good stabbing