Trove worth the price?


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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 09:46

Trove worth the price?

It wants 2 cure mutation potions, I have 5 (Rather a luxury compared to some games IMHO)

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-3465-g53c7d0b (tiles) character file.

Yoch the Warrior (Demonspawn Berserker)            Turns: 67616, Time: 06:39:20

Health: 170/170    AC: 36    Str: 27    XL:     20   Next: 89%
Magic:  33/33      EV: 24    Int: 10    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   1033       SH: 17    Dex: 21    Spells: 0 memorised, 19 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .     a - +6 demon blade (protect)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     C - +6 mottled dragon armour
rNeg   + . .     SustAb   .     P - +2 shield
rPois  .         Gourm    .     p - +1 helmet "Nuba Vyc" {Dex+3}
rElec  +         Spirit   +     V - +2 cloak {+Inv}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     J - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
MR     ++...                    W - amulet "Zypte" {Spirit MR+}
Stlth  +++++++...               Q - ring of Aristrich {rElec Str+4 Stlth++}
                                q - +5 ring of protection

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely stealthy
A: talons 3, rugged brown scales 2, cold resistance 1, demonic guardian 1,
negative energy resistance 1, 50% torment resistance, freezing cloud immunity
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility
}: 2/15 runes: barnacled, gossamer


You are on level 4 of the Vaults.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 45 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 5828 gold pieces.
You have spent 4795 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +6 demon blade of protection (weapon)
 b - the +8 hand crossbow "Pnono" {velocity, SInv}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   Any bolt fired from it inflicts extra damage.
   
   It enhances your eyesight.
 d - a +9 dagger of venom
 m - a +9 antimagic quick blade
Missiles
 e - 165 bolts of frost
 g - 868 bolts
 h - 18 javelins of returning
 l - 7 javelins of penetration (quivered)
 s - 82 poisoned bolts
 A - 58 bolts of penetration
 R - 111 bolts of flame
 S - 10 steel bolts
 X - 52 silver bolts
Armour
 p - the +1 helmet "Nuba Vyc" (worn) {Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 C - a +6 mottled dragon armour (worn)
 J - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 P - a +2 shield (worn)
 V - a +2 cloak of invisibility (worn)
Rods
 n - a +4 rod of ignition (12/12)
   (You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
Jewellery
 q - a +5 ring of protection (left hand)
 r - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 H - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 L - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 Q - the ring of Aristrich (right hand) {rElec Str+4 Stlth++}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [ring of strength]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 W - the amulet "Zypte" (around neck) {Spirit MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of guardian spirit]
   
   It causes incoming damage to be split between your health and magic.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
 i - a wand of teleportation (5)
 x - a wand of hasting (6)
 D - a wand of paralysis (12)
 E - a wand of disintegration (18)
 U - a wand of digging (16)
Scrolls
 k - 4 scrolls of blinking
 u - 8 scrolls of fear
 y - 11 scrolls of remove curse
 F - 9 scrolls of identify
 G - 7 scrolls of magic mapping
 M - 2 scrolls of immolation
 Y - 3 scrolls of fog
 Z - 2 scrolls of silence
Potions
 f - 4 potions of might
 o - 3 potions of haste
 t - 7 potions of curing
 w - 5 potions of lignification
 K - 3 potions of resistance
 N - 3 potions of heal wounds
 T - 2 potions of cancellation
Miscellaneous
 j - a disc of storms
 v - a lamp of fire
 z - a lantern of shadows
 B - 2 stones of tremors
 I - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 c - 23 bread rations
 O - 46 fruits


   Skills:
 - Level 15.0 Fighting
 - Level 13.0(15.0) Short Blades
 + Level 13.0(15.0) Long Blades
 - Level 10.0 Crossbows
 + Level 10.1 Armour
 - Level 12.9 Dodging
 - Level 10.9 Stealth
 + Level 14.9 Shields
 - Level 12.5 Evocations


You have 19 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:8
 Shoals (5/5) Lair:6       Spider (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:8
    Orc (4/4) D:10            Elf (3/3) Orc:4        Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:2     Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:8 *   D:11 =!**   D:15 *   Orc:2 (==   Orc:3 (   Orc:4 =*(}   Elf:2 *   Elf:3 ?   Vaults:2 :
Vaults:3 %

Portals:
Trove: Vaults:4 (give 2 potions of cure mutation)

Annotations:
Shoals:5 Ilsuiw
Elf:2 runed door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have claws for feet.
You are mostly covered in rugged brown scales (AC +2, +5% HP).
Your flesh is cold resistant.
A weak demonic guardian rushes to your aid.
You resist negative energy.
You are somewhat able to resist unholy torments (1 in 2 success).
You are immune to freezing clouds.

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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 09:51

Re: Trove worth the price?

If you're going to stick to 3 runes, then I would.

e: Gonna outline my reasons. Mutations aren't even common to begin with in the 3-rune game and given that you're a blue name, I expect that you're probably pretty adept at avoiding them. On top of that, like you said, having five cure-mut is a luxury. Go to town, friend.
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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 12:15

Re: Trove worth the price?

If you're low on cure mutation you can always take a dip inside a ziggurat and hope to find some.

And yes, a trove is worth 2 out of 5 cure mutation potions. Probably 2 out of 2 too, depending on how much your equipment sucks and how daring you feel.
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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 13:50

Re: Trove worth the price?

Definitely worth it, zero mutation potions is good enough for a 3 rune game and 3 mutation potions could last you a 15 rune one if you have ways to kill things in the edge of your LOS

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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 17:48

Re: Trove worth the price?

There should be a law that forces people who ask about troves to report on the loot in case they enter. :)

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Ziggurat Zagger

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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 19:39

Re: Trove worth the price?

I would definitely have just gone in and pretended that I only had three !curemut in the first place and got a free Trove.
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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 19:43

Re: Trove worth the price?

I had planned on doing 15 runes (I wouldn't typically go Short->Long blades in a 3 rune game) and haven't gotten a 3rd rune yet, I'd considering doing Abyss first in case something horrible happens there (I've been known to say "F it" and play suboptimally in the abyss with Berserkers particularly, because I'm always overpowered as a berserker, this sometimes gets me more mutations than it should, but it usually depends on how tired I am more than anything)

But now in the light of day and after a good nights rest and some breakfast, it seems obvious on the face of it that I should accept the trove's price, and not play heedlessly in the Abyss or Pan.

FWIW I will post the trove's results here, for the morbidly curious
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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 20:07

Re: Trove worth the price?

Contained within you find:
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the +6 Scale mail of the Barracuda {Str +3}
an uncursed ring of stealth
an amulet of the gourmand
an amulet of warding
a +3 plate armour of cold resistance
the +2 cloak of magic resistance
a ring of see invisible
a sack of spiders
a +3 plate armour of cold resistance
a +0 war axe of electrocution
the +5 blowgun "Revosuso" {evade, -Cast rElec rN+ MR+}
a + 5 Glaive of venom
About 900 gold


Worth it? Well, probably not, I was hoping for some no swapping fire resistance (Although honestly the rElec stealth ring I usually wear isn't a great sacrifice to swap)

The body armour isn't really helpful, the scale is the same AC as my mottled with larger penalties, and the cold plate armours don't do me much good either (If I really needed more than my 1 intrinsic pip of rC I could use an artifact +5 ring mail of rC++ that I was using earlier)

The blowgun is better than the +0 ones that have been lying around the dungeon, but I've actually sacrificed blowgun space for more crossbow ammo and evocables at this point, but I suppose I'll lug it around with me.

The MR cloak is probably worth it, I don't use the invis cloak much (don't ask me why, I guess I really hardly need it nowadays, it was super awesome in the lair for stabbing yak packs, but most things in the Vaults see invis, and aren't terribly threatening, so perhaps it's worth swapping out, to help avoid being marked in V5)

I'll drag the ring of stealth and amulet of warding out of the trove, I'm unlikely to use either, but they're the only instance of either I've found so far.

Overall, not really very exciting. I guess the 900 coins does let me buy a rod of clouds that's floating around in a shop that I've never quite gotten together the cash to afford (Although I was only like 2-300 short prior to the trove dive) that's kind of nice.

Of course, by the time you've done lair, the two rune branches, orc, elf, D1-15, and Vaults1-4, you've probably got pretty good equipment and aren't likely to see too many upgrades.
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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 20:24

Re: Trove worth the price?

I would say the cloak alone is worth a couple redundant strategic consumables. Your MR situation was pretty bad given where you were in the game, so it's even a case of exactly what you needed when you needed it.

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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 20:32

Re: Trove worth the price?

Well, I had two rings of MR laying around if I needed it, plus trog's hand is enough MR for most cases (I am at MR++ without it, and MR++++ with it in the invis cloak)

So the MR cloak makes me MR+++ "walking around" and MR+++++ with trog's hand. Since the cloak isn't (trivially) swappable and the rings are, I think the rings are more useful than the cloak, but it depends whether I want access to invis, (Which as a short blade user isn't an insignificant thing)
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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 21:49

Re: Trove worth the price?

Buy that rod of clouds. Helping the heck out of my game.
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Post Sunday, 4th January 2015, 22:36

Re: Trove worth the price?

Yeah, I did, it rocked the heck out of V:5, sucked the welcoming party down into a edge corridor (fear+haste) and just wrecked them, acid, then fire, then acid, then draining clouds, combined with penetration bolts and a demon blade to the face for anything that staggerered it's way through that mess to get to me. Managed to get marked (a sentinal snuck up from the other direction with trog's hand down) and still took a total of maybe 40 points of damage for everything that came my way, it took like 500 turns to kill everything that came down to greet me. (That was one of those cases where I would've enjoyed a screencap of the thing, because it was just so rediculous)

FWIW the MR cloak was useful enough through V:5, but I swapped to a quicksilver dragon armour (killed and skinned a QS dragon in V:5) afterwards, so I swapped back to my Invis cloak for depths (I might go back to MR cloak later though, but for now Invis and +9 quickblade just make such short work of some of the baddies in depths + Zot that I feel like it's worth it, and I have MR+++ without it now)

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-3465-g53c7d0b (tiles) character file.

Yoch the Warrior (Demonspawn Berserker)            Turns: 77155, Time: 07:57:38

HP:   176/189 (190) AC: 43    Str: 27    XL:     22   Next: 57%
MP:   36/36         EV: 26    Int: 10    God:    Trog [******]
Gold: 1154          SH: 11    Dex: 22    Spells: 0 memorised, 21 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     b - +8 hand crossbow "Pnono" {velocity, SInv}
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     V - quicksilver dragon armour
rNeg   + . .     SustAb   .     C - +2 buckler {rC+ rF+}
rPois  .         Gourm    .     p - +1 helmet "Nuba Vyc" {Dex+3}
rElec  +         Spirit   +     r - +2 cloak {+Inv}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     J - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
MR     +++..                    W - amulet "Zypte" {Spirit MR+}
Stlth  +++++++...               Q - ring of Aristrich {rElec Str+4 Stlth++}
                                q - +5 ring of protection

@: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely stealthy
A: talons 3, rugged brown scales 3, cold resistance 1, demonic guardian 1,
icemail, negative energy resistance 1, 50% torment resistance, freezing cloud
immunity
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, silver, gossamer


You are on level 1 of the Depths.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 47 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have also visited: Trove and Ice Cave.

You have collected 8629 gold pieces.
You have spent 7475 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +6 demon blade of protection
 b - the +8 hand crossbow "Pnono" (weapon) {velocity, SInv}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   Any bolt fired from it inflicts extra damage.
   
   It enhances your eyesight.
 m - a +9 antimagic quick blade
 P - a +1 demon blade of flaming
Missiles
 d - 184 bolts of frost
 g - 1374 bolts
 h - 18 javelins of returning
 l - 5 javelins of penetration
 s - 94 poisoned bolts
 A - 55 bolts of penetration
 R - 164 bolts of flame
 S - 35 steel bolts (quivered)
 X - 90 silver bolts
Armour
 p - the +1 helmet "Nuba Vyc" (worn) {Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 r - a +2 cloak of invisibility (worn)
 C - a +2 buckler of resistance (worn)
 J - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 V - a quicksilver dragon armour (worn)
Rods
 n - a +4 rod of ignition (12/12)
   (You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 D - a +6 rod of clouds (12/12)
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 q - a +5 ring of protection (left hand)
 H - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 L - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 Q - the ring of Aristrich (right hand) {rElec Str+4 Stlth++}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [ring of strength]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 W - the amulet "Zypte" (around neck) {Spirit MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of guardian spirit]
   
   It causes incoming damage to be split between your health and magic.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
 i - a wand of teleportation (5)
 x - a wand of hasting (6)
 E - a wand of disintegration (18)
 U - a wand of digging (16)
Scrolls
 k - 4 scrolls of blinking
 u - 7 scrolls of fear
 y - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 F - 13 scrolls of identify
 G - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
 M - 2 scrolls of immolation
 Y - 3 scrolls of fog
 Z - 2 scrolls of silence
Potions
 f - 4 potions of might
 o - 2 potions of haste
 t - 7 potions of curing
 w - 5 potions of lignification
 K - 5 potions of resistance
 N - 3 potions of heal wounds
 T - a potion of cancellation
Miscellaneous
 j - a disc of storms
 v - a lamp of fire
 z - a lantern of shadows
 B - 2 stones of tremors
 I - 2 phials of floods
Comestibles
 c - 19 bread rations
 O - 41 fruits


   Skills:
 - Level 16.0 Fighting
 - Level 13.0(15.2) Short Blades
 - Level 13.5(15.5) Long Blades
 - Level 10.0 Crossbows
 * Level 12.2 Armour
 + Level 14.9 Dodging
 + Level 11.3 Stealth
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 - Level 15.0 Evocations


You have 21 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:8
 Shoals (5/5) Lair:6       Spider (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:8
    Orc (4/4) D:10            Elf (3/3) Orc:4        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:2     Depths (1/5) D:15       



I also picked up a buckler of resistance, which nicely fills out my resist holes. I wish it was a full shield, instead of a buckler, but it is what it is...

Now I just need some EW scrolls, and maybe a brand weapon scroll for my demon blade. :)
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