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Post Wednesday, 24th December 2014, 12:03

Ru questions

Fisrt time trying this god, and I have some questions :

Ru piety caps at 160, so when reaching *****, a worshipped should avoid significant sacrifices (ie hand) : that would be over-sacrifice ! Am I correct ?

Power Leap must be spammed, as the cost is already paid ?

How expensive is Apocalypse, in terms of draining ?
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Post Wednesday, 24th December 2014, 12:26

Re: Ru questions

Ru won't offer sacrifices that give piety significantly in excess of 160, you need not worry about that.

Power leap is definitely spammable, and it's fairly strong, so feel free to use it whenever it would help; just keep in mind that it has an exhaustion timer, so it limits your access to other Ru abilities.

Apocalypse drains about 2 skill levels, though in practice it can be less if you kill a lot of high value stuff with it.

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Post Wednesday, 24th December 2014, 16:24

Re: Ru questions

Lasty wrote:Apocalypse drains about 2 skill levels, though in practice it can be less if you kill a lot of high value stuff with it.

But draining happens after you kill things with it. It helps to restore skills from previous skill drain though.

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Post Wednesday, 24th December 2014, 20:58

Re: Ru questions

got a couple questions of my own;
1. What's the chance of an enemy not attacking/hitting itself when i hit max piety?
2. is saccing a hand worth it on a Tm since i'm not using it in forms anyway apart from the ring loss
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Post Wednesday, 24th December 2014, 21:07

Re: Ru questions

What are the rules governing piety gain? I worshiped Ru for what I judged to be a reasonable amount of game time, but was never offered to sac anything.
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Post Wednesday, 24th December 2014, 22:53

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XuaXua wrote:What are the rules governing piety gain? I worshiped Ru for what I judged to be a reasonable amount of game time, but was never offered to sac anything.

Seems to be kind of like evolution - you get some exp, then after some time Ru offers a sacrifice
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Post Thursday, 25th December 2014, 15:36

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never liked this god

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Post Thursday, 25th December 2014, 16:29

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I like Ru a lot.

Sacing a hand is pretty big. The damage your main hand does would probably be sufficient on its own, but a lot of people enjoy having that aux attack. You're also losing a ring slot; its a pretty loaded sacrifice, even if it does give a lotta piety.

Accordin to wiki, chance of hesitation is 10%, and redirection 5%, at max piety. Chance of retaliatory status effects is 33%.
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Post Thursday, 25th December 2014, 21:48

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Ru is the second best.

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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 02:11

Re: Ru questions

There's a timer that counts down until you receive your next sacrifice. Both exploration and killing monsters decrements the timer, so effectively just playing crawl will decrement the timer. If you Reject Sacrifices, the next timer will be longer.

The retribution has a 33% chance to -try- to trigger, but if the attack is relatively light or the opponent's HD is high, the odds of any actual effect, particularly a strong effect, decrease.
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Post Friday, 26th December 2014, 09:23

Re: Ru questions

notcluie wrote:2. is saccing a hand worth it on a Tm since i'm not using it in forms anyway apart from the ring loss

A hand is one of the biggest sacrifices. It gives you a bunch of piety...
You lose ability to use shield/2h weapons, aux attack and ring slot, that's expensive. That's why I consider Tm as the best background to give up a hand, because you only suffer from ring slot loss (and aux attack). I sacced a hand on OpTm : the ring loss is even cheaper :D
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 06:08

Re: Ru questions

How do amulets of Faith work with Ru? I would assume they either don't do anything, or they remove one stage to reach maximum (adding it back if the amulet is removed).

My instinct is that they don't / shouldn't do anything, and that the amulet should be grayed out, and the existing text when worn/removed should be special-cased for Ru.
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 06:32

Re: Ru questions

XuaXua wrote:How do amulets of Faith work with Ru? I would assume they either don't do anything, or they remove one stage to reach maximum (adding it back if the amulet is removed).

My instinct is that they don't / shouldn't do anything, and that the amulet should be grayed out, and the existing text when worn/removed should be special-cased for Ru.


I believe you get offered sacrifices faster.
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 06:35

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Faith increases the frequency with which Ru offers sacrifices.
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 08:34

Re: Ru questions

And what if you remove it?

Also: if saccing Love, should summoning evocables turn dark grey? Sure you can still use them for the power, but you will summon hostile elementals.
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 09:55

Re: Ru questions

If you remove it, it will increase the delay until the next sacrifice is offered.
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 12:16

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Berder wrote:If you remove it, it will increase the delay until the next sacrifice is offered.

Doesn't it remove some of your piety ?
I thought amulet of faith was terrible with Ru...
Wiki, be careful wrote:Removed an amulet of faith while worshiping Ru will still cost you 1/3 of your piety, however, and thus is strongly advised against.
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 13:53

Re: Ru questions

An amulet of faith for Ru increases sacrifice offer speed, and removing it adds an extra delay before the next sacrifice. Removing the amulet with maximum piety has no penalty, and will not give you a Y/N prompt. The same applies for the Forlorn mutation. Only sacrifices will increase your Ru piety, and only abandonment will decrease it.

Sacrificing Love should not and does not mark elemental evokers as useless. All the elemental evokers are still quite useful even when they generate hostile elementals -- though obviously less useful than when they generate friendly elementals.

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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 15:36

Re: Ru questions

Lasty wrote:An amulet of faith for Ru increases sacrifice offer speed, and removing it adds an extra delay before the next sacrifice. Removing the amulet with maximum piety has no penalty, and will not give you a Y/N prompt. The same applies for the Forlorn mutation. Only sacrifices will increase your Ru piety, and only abandonment will decrease it.


I think the text for removing an amulet of Faith under Ru might need to be special-cased then, as it felt misleading yesterday when I did this.
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 17:56

Re: Ru questions

It is special-cased. Could you be more specific about what it says and what you think it should say instead?
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Post Wednesday, 31st December 2014, 18:46

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Lasty wrote:It is special-cased. Could you be more specific about what it says and what you think it should say instead?


I would have to replicate the scenario again. Give me a bit.
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