Ghouls and wretched stars

[mopl]

Seriously, how do you deal with them ?

It's like Abyss is the most dangerous place for Ghouls just because of those stars...

I almost died twice because of facing simultaneously two of them, and they drained my Int from 8 to 0 or less in 2-3 turns (I couldn't block LoS)...

[xentronium]

Did you try rmut? Maybe that would help.

[Patashu]

Did you try rmut? Maybe that would help.

'Did you try an item that has little chance of spawning in a given game?'

[Arrhythmia]

Did you try rmut? Maybe that would help.

'Did you try an item that has little chance of spawning in a given game?'

Well? Did he?

[mopl]

Did you try rmut? Maybe that would help.

'Did you try an item that has little chance of spawning in a given game?'

Well? Did he?

I didn't, because :
- I didn't find any rMut
- iirc, rMut doesn't prevent from wretched stars mutations

[Magipi]

Why are ghouls special in this case? This can happen to any character, no?

[Sar]

Ghouls and mummies are undead. Instead of mutating, they suffer rapid stat loss (and rot, I think).

[damiac]

Rmut does protect from wretched star mutations. I'm not sure if it would help when you're a ghoul though

[Tedronai]

Ring of sustain abilities is a good alternative in the case of Ghouls since HP rot is pretty much irrelevant for them.

[damiac]

It seems wrong to me that wretched stars have the same effect on undead as any other malmutate source. To a non-undead, they're obviously much less damaging to your character than a real mutator, but to undead they seems like they're 3 times worse.

I think they should either just do a little damage to undead, or let undead just be immune to their effect completely.

[Nordon]

With SustAB you'll be more or less immune and they will do absolutely nothing. I had a Chei ghoul in Abyss last time even. In 5000 turns I had received only 1 point of stat drain.

I haven't tested the viability of rMut.

[nilsbloodaxe]

rMut definitely helps with Malmutate sources, including stars. (I used it on my 15-rune GhWr in Abyss).

[basil]

For what it's worth I've done ghabyss plenty, several times with ~5 int, and wretched stars were not that problematic; I'd haste and punch them, or maybe just skip haste if I had some restab or similar things. A neqoxec made me brainless a couple times since I didn't care about them, which was sort of inconvenient but I just killed the neqoxec, quaffed restab, and waited it off.