Ziggaruts with melee character

[mrthehoople]

I was wondering if it's possible to completely clear a ziggarut with a melee/evoker character. I'm currently trying this with a gargoyle in pearl dragon armour as I figured this would be a build with a chance. I've cleared 17 so far, but the difficulty is really ramping up. 17 contained elves and I had to use a couple of heal wounds to be safe. I'm currently ahead on reusables - picked up recharge scrolls more than I've used my wands of healing or haste, and I've gained more piety than I've used on cleansing flame or angel summoning. (I'm worshipping TSO and packing +9 great mace of holy wrath).

My gut feeling is that this is possible, but not with my character. I need a better evoke skill for my disc of storms, I think axes would be better than maces for the cleaving effect, and I don't think TSO is optimal - maybe zin would be better.

Any thoughts. Has anyone done this? I admit having firestorm and tornado would make this much easier

[Sar]

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Implojin/morgue-Implojin-20121018-172514.txt

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You completed 1 Ziggurat, and saw 27 of its levels.
...
You didn't know any spells.

[mopl]

I recently saw a DrTm^Gozag clear a Zig in Dragon Form, it's definitely possible !

Anyway, Makhleb seems to be a strong option, because of his heal-on-kill ability. I also like Qazlal because with really high Invo, 2-3 shots of his Disaster Area can clear any level. Holy Wrath isn't optimal too, even if it can be useful on some hard levels (mummy, Panlords). Vamp is really great, elec or freezing are fine too

As you speak of evokables, I feel like rod of Clouds is a must, way better (imho) than disc of storm... ?Immolation counts as an evokable ? I once use it in an Elf level, it was a one-shot !

[Sandman25]

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Implojin/morgue-Implojin-20121018-172514.txt

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You completed 1 Ziggurat, and saw 27 of its levels.
...
You didn't know any spells.

From that link:

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114874 | Zig:27   | Implojin: easiest ziggurat of my life
114902 | Zig:27   | Ogre: Except for the 4 torms
114926 | Zig:27   | Ogre: That nearly killed you

"People are different" (c) me

[Octopode-monk-of-XOM]

id say cloak of thieves can be a key item for a melee, just keep fog all the time then its much more managable

[Sar]

Yeah, Thief cloak is ridiculous. Before it, I remember Implo saying that scrolls of fog are crucial for melee zigging, and cloak provides you with pretty much infinite scrolls of fog.

[mrthehoople]

Interesting comments. Guess I seriously underuse fog... Think I might give this zig up, I seriously doubt this character could handle 10 pan lords simultaneously..

[tabstorm]

you just want TSO/makhleb and a huge stack of fog, tornado is also nice if you can cast it, basically on mummy or pan lord floors you just hide in a corner and fog repeatedly while killing enemies until everything dies.

[mrthehoople]

The answer to my question is yes. I didn't give the zig up and I emptied it. Came close to dying a few times, but interesting that I finished it with a less than ideal character and less than ideal strategy. Zig 26 was elves and was the one that came closest to killing me. I ended up spamming cleansing flame a lot, until piety dropped to 5 stars. Also used a couple of holy word scrolls and a lot of wand of healing. Zig 27 was fine despite the 10 or so ancient liches. I managed to separate off quite a bit of stuff and took a couple of ancient liches singly. Again ended up spamming cleansing flame a bit when I had 4 ancient liches in range. I didn't get a single pan lord floor or mummy floor, is that odd?

[Sphara]

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/BONGHITZ/morgue-BONGHITZ-20140707-110617.txt

This guy did it with just melee and javelins (and one escape to the Abyss). No powerful evocables or spells were used.

[Magipi]

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/BONGHITZ/morgue-BONGHITZ-20140707-110617.txt

This guy did it with just melee and javelins (and one escape to the Abyss). No powerful evocables or spells were used.

And what is the plan with this character on a huge mummy floor? Just die?

[Konedar]

If with melee you don't mean spell less than I have tons of examples (buffs, no tornado/fstorm/...).

Due to fog being so good in zigs I personally like also Dithmenos.

In first zig I had 4 mummy floors, including floor 25 and 27!!! Wtf! Shadow form ruled them all (with might and haste).
Portal Projectile is the second secret weapon (too bad that doesn't trigger shadow mimic, so in case of clear path to target is better to don't have it).

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-266-g8f376c1 (tiles) character file.

Progress the Slayer (Ogre Hunter)                 Turns: 109486, Time: 12:31:16

HP 319/319 (321) AC 43     Str 29      XL: 27
MP  46/46        EV 34     Int 14      God: Dithmenos [******]
Gold 12087       SH  0     Dex 22      Spells: 16 memorised,  6 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     b - +8 giant spiked club of Yreuschi {drain, MR++ SInv}
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     Q - +10 pearl dragon armour
rNeg   + . .     rCorr    .     (shield restricted)
rPois  +         rRot     .     H - +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {rElec Int+2 SInv}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     h - +3 cloak of Flash {+Fly EV+4}
SustAb .         Warding  .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   +         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  .                        x - amulet of resist mutation
MR     ++++.                    t - cursed ring "Akof" {+Rage +Inv rPois AC+5 Dex+3}
                                l - cursed ring "Ilioge" {EV+2 Str+4 Int+2}

@: wreathed by umbra, deflect missiles, incredibly resistant to hostile
enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: unfitting armour, tough skin 1
a: Shadow Step, Shadow Form, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Evoke
Invisibility, Evoke Flight
}: 11/15 runes: barnacled, slimy, silver, golden, abyssal, demonic, glowing,
magical, fiery, dark, gossamer


You are on level 11 of a ziggurat.
You worship Dithmenos.
Dithmenos is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 13 branches of the dungeon, and seen 67 of its levels.
You have visited Pandemonium 1 time, and seen 41 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have visited 2 Ziggurats (completing 1), and seen 38 of their levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove, Bailey and Wizlab.

You have collected 16104 gold pieces.
You have spent 3294 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - the cursed +3 Elemental Staff {rElec rF++ rC++ MR++ AC+5}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your AC (+5).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 b - the +8 giant spiked club of Yreuschi (weapon) {drain, MR++ SInv}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Vaults)   
   
   A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes.
   
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 k - a +9 giant spiked club of crushing
   (You took it off an ogre on level 5 of the Dungeon)
Missiles
 m - 115 large rocks (quivered)
 r - 8 throwing nets
 T - 34 javelins of penetration
Armour
 h - the +3 cloak of Flash (worn) {+Fly EV+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It lets you fly.
 H - the +3 crown of Dyrovepreva (worn) {rElec Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 Q - a +10 pearl dragon armour (worn)
   (You bought it in a shop on level 11 of the Dungeon)
Magical devices
 d - a wand of disintegration (3)
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
 u - a wand of teleportation (3)
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)
 E - a wand of heal wounds (7)
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 G - a wand of hasting (3)
   (You found it on level 2 of the Spider Nest)
 O - a wand of digging (15)
   (You found it on level 5 of a ziggurat)
 S - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Spider Nest)
Comestibles
 f - 55 meat rations
 A - 13 bread rations
Scrolls
 j - 11 scrolls of magic mapping
 p - 37 scrolls of remove curse
 q - 27 scrolls of teleportation
 v - 6 scrolls of holy word
 z - 6 scrolls of silence
 D - 4 scrolls of recharging
 F - 23 scrolls of blinking
 N - 14 scrolls of fog
 R - 3 scrolls of summoning
 Y - 57 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of regeneration
   (You found it on level 2 of the Realm of Zot)
 i - the cursed macabre finger necklace {Ward rN+}
   (You found it on level 16 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 l - the cursed ring "Ilioge" (left hand) {EV+2 Str+4 Int+2}
   (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+2).
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
   (You found it on level 2 of the Dungeon)
 t - the cursed ring "Akof" (right hand) {+Rage +Inv rPois AC+5 Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+5).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from poison.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It lets you go berserk.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 x - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
   (You found it on level 1 of the Elven Halls)
 K - a cursed amulet of resist corrosion
   (You found it on level 12 of a ziggurat)
 P - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
   (You found it in a labyrinth)
 X - the cursed brooch of Shielding {Ward rN+ AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 Z - the amulet of the Four Winds {Clar rN+ MR+++}
   (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of clarity]
   
   It provides mental clarity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Potions
 c - 9 potions of resistance
 g - 13 potions of restore abilities
 o - a potion of heal wounds
 s - 10 potions of brilliance
 w - 9 potions of agility
 B - 7 potions of cure mutation
 C - 6 potions of might
 U - 3 potions of magic
 V - 7 potions of cancellation
 W - 7 potions of curing
Miscellaneous
 L - a legendary deck of changes {the Potion}
   (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)
 M - a legendary deck of wonders {the Alchemist, drawn: 4}
   (You found it on level 18 of a ziggurat)
Rods
 y - a cursed +2 lightning rod (11/11)
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)
 I - a cursed +4 rod of clouds (9/9)
   (You found it in Pandemonium)
 J - a cursed +3 lightning rod (15/15)
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)


   Skills:
 + Level 26,9 Fighting
 - Level 25,5 Maces & Flails
 + Level 24,7 Throwing
 - Level 21,7 Armour
 - Level 22,2 Dodging
 - Level 14,1 Stealth
 - Level 20,0 Spellcasting
 - Level 16,1 Charms
 - Level 6,0 Summonings
 + Level 13,4 Necromancy
 - Level 19,0 Translocations
 - Level 12,0 Air Magic
 - Level 5,5 Poison Magic
 - Level 19,5 Invocations
 - Level 12,0 Evocations


You have 6 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      ##......     6%          2    None
b - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ######....   1%          3    None
c - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #####...     1%          3    None
d - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ####....     1%          1    None
e - Apportation           Tloc           ######....   0%          1    None
f - Portal Projectile     Tloc           ######       0%          3    None
g - Death's Door          Chrm/Necr      ######....   67%         8    #######
h - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          0%          2    None
i - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          1%          4    None
j - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     1%          6    #####..
k - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          7    ######.
l - Phase Shift           Tloc           ######....   1%          5    ###....
m - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          6    #####..
n - Cure Poison           Pois           ####......   1%          2    None
o - Silence               Hex/Air        ####......   10%         5    ###....
p - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ######....   1%          2    None

And another example with Dith :

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0 (tiles) character file.

15139018 Divine Stalker the Ninja (level 27, 191/191 HPs)
             Began as a Vine Stalker Necromancer on Apr 20, 2014.
             Was the Champion of Dithmenos.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Apr 23, 2014!
             
             The game lasted 13:59:15 (105347 turns).

Divine Stalker the Ninja (VSNe)                   Turns: 105347, Time: 13:59:15

HP 191/191       AC 40     Str 23      XL: 27
MP  34/52        EV 58     Int 33      God: Dithmenos [******]
Gold 14628       SH 32     Dex 27      Spells: 15 memorised, 11 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     m - +9 quick blade (elec)
rCold  + + +     Clarity  .     w - +4 moon troll leather armour {Spirit, MP+5 Regen}
rNeg   . . .     Conserve .     B - +1 shield {AC+3}
rPois  +         rCorr    .     T - +2 hat of the Alchemist {rElec rF+ rC+ MR+}
rElec  +         rRot     +     J - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-}
SustAb . .       Spirit   +     a - +4 pair of gloves of the Land of Plenty {Acc-2 Dam+4}
rMut   +         Warding  .     L - +2 pair of boots of the Great Game {SInv}
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     y - amulet of Uvvelig {rMut Dex+1 Int+4}
MR     ++++.                    z - ring "Prianent" {Wiz Str+4 Dex+5 Dam+3}
                                N - ring of Striyhimi {+Fly rPois Acc+3 Dam+6}

@: icy armour, deflect missiles, regenerating, phasing, mighty, brilliant,
agile, studying Shields, very slightly contaminated, hasted, wreathed by umbra,
very quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extraordinarily
stealthy
A: fangs 3, repulsion field 1, regeneration 3, robust 1, magic shield, antimagic
bite, no device heal
a: Shadow Step, Shadow Form, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian,
icy, bone, abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You escaped.
You worshipped Dithmenos.
Dithmenos was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 19 branches of the dungeon, and saw 100 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 2 times, and saw 31 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You completed 2 Ziggurats, and saw 54 of their levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth.

You collected 19608 gold pieces.
You spent 4980 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 k - a +9,+8 anti-magic quick blade
   (You subdued it in the Hall of Blades)
 m - a +9,+9 quick blade of electrocution (weapon)
   (You acquired it on level 2 of the Snake Pit)
 W - the -1,+4 dagger "Morg" {pain, MR+ Int+5}
   (You found it on level 13 of a ziggurat)   
   
   In the hands of one skilled in necromantic magic, it inflicts extra damage
   on living creatures.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Armour
 a - the +4 pair of gloves of the Land of Plenty (worn) {Acc-2 Dam+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (-2).
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
 w - the +4 moon troll leather armour (worn) {Spirit, MP+5 Regen}
   (You took it off a guardian mummy on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients)   
   
   It affects your magic capacity (+5).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 B - a +1 shield of protection (worn)
   (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)
 J - the +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
 L - the +2 pair of boots of the Great Game (worn) {SInv}
   (You acquired it on level 3 of the Swamp)   
   
   It enhances your eyesight.
 T - the +2 hat of the Alchemist (worn) {rElec rF+ rC+ MR+}
   (You found it on level 22 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
 C - a wand of disintegration (21)
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
 F - a wand of teleportation (7)
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
 H - a wand of hasting (0)
   (You found it on level 21 of a ziggurat)
 O - a wand of digging (14)
   (You found it on level 5 of the Snake Pit)
 S - a wand of invisibility (7)
   (You took it off a vault guard on level 5 of the Vaults)
Comestibles
 b - 2 royal jellies
 q - 13 meat rations
Scrolls
 i - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 n - a scroll of holy word
 r - a scroll of vulnerability
 t - 5 scrolls of recharging
 E - 7 scrolls of fog
 Z - 6 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
 e - the cursed ring of Caquu {rF+ Str+4}
   (You found it on level 12 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 g - the cursed necklace of Bloodlust {*Rage +Rage MR+ Str+2 Int-2 Dam+5 Stlth- Curse}
   (You found it on level 14 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of rage]
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It may make you go berserk in combat.
   It may recurse itself when equipped.
   It makes you less stealthy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 j - an uncursed amulet of stasis
   (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)
 l - the cursed ring of Order {Ice rN+ Dam+3}
   (You took it off a yaktaur captain on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 u - the cursed ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15}
   (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of regeneration]
   It affects your health (+15).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 v - an uncursed amulet of clarity
   (You found it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients)
 y - the amulet of Uvvelig (around neck) {rMut Dex+1 Int+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 14 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
 z - the ring "Prianent" (right hand) {Wiz Str+4 Dex+5 Dam+3}
   (You found it on level 21 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+5).
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3).
 I - the ring of the Blind Eye {rF+ rN+ Int+2}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
 K - the cursed ring of Conformity {rN+ Int+3 Dam+4}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 M - the ring of Mnuc {+cTele rC+ MR++}
   (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of teleport control]
   It protects you from cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 N - the ring of Striyhimi (left hand) {+Fly rPois Acc+3 Dam+6}
   (You found it on level 24 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3).
   It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+6).
   It protects you from poison.
 Q - the ring "Lokozuy" {rF+ rC-, unknown}
   (You found it on level 26 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
 R - the ring "Skusk" {AC+3 Dex-4 Acc+4, unknown}
   (You found it on level 26 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   It affects your AC (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
 U - the cursed macabre finger necklace {Ward}
   (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 V - the ring of Cakaotse {Str+4 Dex+4 SInv, unknown}
   (You found it on level 18 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
 Y - a cursed ring of the Octopus King {SustAb AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients)   
   
   [ring of sustain abilities]
   It affects your AC (+1).
   It affects your evasion (+1).
   It affects your strength (+1).
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Potions
 o - 4 potions of brilliance
 x - 8 potions of cure mutation
 A - 4 potions of curing
 P - a potion of restore abilities
Books
 p - a manual of Shields
   (You found it in Pandemonium)
Miscellaneous
 h - a legendary deck of war
   (You found it on level 14 of a ziggurat)
 G - a legendary deck of wonders {Shuffle, drawn: 3}
   (You found it on level 23 of a ziggurat)
 X - a legendary deck of defence
   (You found it on level 26 of a ziggurat)


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 - Level 18,9 Short Blades
 + Level 18,3 Armour
 + Level 26,4 Dodging
 O Level 27 Stealth
 - Level 15,0 Shields
 - Level 26,0 Spellcasting
 - Level 18,0 Conjurations
 - Level 18,5 Charms
 - Level 19,5 Necromancy
 - Level 9,0 Translocations
 - Level 25,3 Ice Magic
 - Level 13,4 Air Magic
 - Level 12,0 Invocations
 - Level 12,0 Evocations


You had 11 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Bolt of Cold          Conj/Ice       ########..   1%          6    None
b - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ########..   0%          3    None
c - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ########..   0%          3    None
d - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ########..   1%          6    None
e - Haste                 Chrm           ########     1%          6    None
f - Borgnjor's Revivific  Necr           ########..   1%          8    None
g - Song of Slaying       Chrm           ########     0%          2    None
h - Phase Shift           Tloc           #######...   1%          5    None
i - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
j - Apportation           Tloc           #######...   0%          1    None
k - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ########..   0%          2    None
l - Death's Door          Chrm/Necr      ########..   1%          8    None
n - Silence               Hex/Air        #######...   1%          5    None
o - Flight                Chrm/Air       ########..   0%          3    None
p - Orb of Destruction    Conj           ########..   1%          7    None

[mrthehoople]

I originally meant without spells, but clearing with a hybrid is also very cool. I have a feeling spamming high level spells like firestorm is probably the easiest way to clear a zig, especially with a fairly robust character with plenty of hp. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not much good with casters myself..

I guess a better question would be, what's the most difficult way to clear a zig? Anyone done it with a hill Orc of beogh for instance?

And doing it with a MiBe of trog, hats off to you sir that's insane. Guess that's only doable with axes. (I've wondered whether it's possible to take a vampiric and holy wrath executioners axe in and swap between them)

Another question would be what tricks make zigs a lot easier?

[Konedar]

Another question would be what tricks make zigs a lot easier?

Generally speaking (I guess those things are pretty obvious):
- Everything that reduces number of monsters in LOS: fog scrolls, robe of the night, cloak of the thief, darkness spell, Dithmenos smoke, nightstalker mutation, tomb card, and so on... And try to alert few monsters at a time.
- AOE: spells (not only conjurations, silence and animate dead are other good examples), invo (Quatzlal, Chei...), evo, scrolls (holy word, immolation, torment...)
- Effects on kill (Makhleb, Vehumet, TSO)

Other tricks mostly depend on the floors.

[mopl]

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/BONGHITZ/morgue-BONGHITZ-20140707-110617.txt

This guy did it with just melee and javelins (and one escape to the Abyss). No powerful evocables or spells were used.

How did this guy escaped to the abyss ??
I thought it was only possible as a Lucy worshipper...

[Velikolepni]

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/BONGHITZ/morgue-BONGHITZ-20140707-110617.txt

This guy did it with just melee and javelins (and one escape to the Abyss). No powerful evocables or spells were used.

How did this guy escaped to the abyss ??
I thought it was only possible as a Lucy worshipper...

Probably unwielded a distortion weapon and got lucky.

[letownia]

Recently tried melee zig+zin with quiet a lot of success:

1.) If it looks like you might die (around 100hp for me), use sanctuary and stasis and spam wield/unwwield the distortion weapon. Seems like there is a ~25% chance of banishment upon unwield. So at 10 turns you have about a 95% chance of getting banished. You will be glowing quiet a lot though

2.) Imprison is really nice for creating artificial walls but it usually doesn't last as long as the tomb card.

3.) Recite will disable a ton of enemies but unfortunately you have to wait quiet long for your breath to be restored.

4.) Vitalisation is also really nice- protects you from most of the death curses of mummies.

Trips to the abyss are needed from time to time to restore piety.

[mrthehoople]

Hadn't thought of using zin, sounds very doable but a bit painful with recurrent abyss trips...

[Nordon]

Last time I did it was with a GrFi of Makhleb. Though I did have a broad axe of holy wrath and 27 Evo (Lamps of fire aww yeee).

[ElderVIII]

I have cleared zig with an exec axe wielding MiMo of TSO (my only 15 run to date). Needed other things like Haste wands for stuff like Pan lords to kill them before they dropped too much stuff on me.

[Magipi]

Really, this thread with that horrible typo in the title is the best place for this comment? Just let it die peacefully.