SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice


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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 19:11

SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-852-g06c43eb (tiles) character file.

Pringle the Spry (Spriggan Assassin)               Turns: 29391, Time: 02:00:52

HP  75/75        AC  6     Str 12      XL: 14   Next: 16%
MP  32/32        EV 33     Int 13      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 2035        SH 11     Dex 19      Spells:  0 memorised, 13 levels left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : +   a - +1,+6 quick blade of Fykoqis {elec, Str+3
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   g - +0 robe of Midsummer {rF++ rC+ MR Str-1}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   F - +0 buckler
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   M - +1 elf cloak
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   (gloves unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: +   (no amulet)
Saprovore : . . .   Levitation : .   k - +2 ring of protection
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   y - +2,+5 ring of slaying

@: very quick, extraordinarily resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
stealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow healing 1, slow
metabolism 2, teleport control, Str +2, Int +1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 19 of its levels.
You have also visited: Bailey and Ice Cave.

You have collected 1985 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - the +1,+6 quick blade of Fykoqis (weapon) {elec, Str+3 Dex-3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   Occasionally, upon striking a foe, it will discharge some electrical energy
   and cause terrible harm.
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (-3).
 b - a +0 blowgun
 p - a +1,+1 anti-magic sabre {god gift}
 q - a +1,+3 sling of evasion
 r - the -4,-3 sabre of Luickuh {slice, +Lev MR Str+4}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
   It lets you levitate.
 D - a +3,+2 dwarven hand axe of returning (quivered)
 E - a +3,+2 dwarven hand axe of returning
 X - a +6,+8 quick blade {god gift}
Missiles
 e - 32 poisoned needles
 f - 5 curare-tipped needles
 x - 2 needles of confusion {god gift}
 C - 2 needles of sickness {god gift}
 Q - 6 needles of frenzy {god gift}
 R - 15 steel darts
Armour
 g - the +0 robe of Midsummer (worn) {rF++ rC+ MR Str-1}
   (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (-1).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It increases your resistance to enchantments.
 F - a +0 buckler (worn)
 M - a +1 elven cloak (worn)
Magical devices
 d - a wand of cold (3)
 n - a wand of fire (9)
 w - a wand of lightning (4)
 J - a wand of digging (12)
 N - a wand of teleportation (4)
 O - a wand of digging
Comestibles
 z - a bread ration
Scrolls
 G - 4 scrolls of identify
 H - 3 scrolls of blinking
 K - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 P - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 T - a scroll of fog
 U - a scroll of magic mapping
 V - 2 scrolls of recharging
 W - a scroll of enchant weapon II
 Y - a scroll of acquirement
Jewellery
 k - a +2 ring of protection (right hand)
 l - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 v - an uncursed ring of life protection
 y - a +2,+5 ring of slaying (left hand)
 L - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
Potions
 c - 2 potions of berserk rage
 h - a potion of agility
 s - 2 potions of heal wounds
 t - a potion of might
 u - 4 potions of curing
 A - a potion of brilliance
 B - a potion of invisibility
 S - a potion of restore abilities
Books
 i - a manual of Stabbing


Having my best Spriggan Assassin run yet. I'm wondering though:

Skills:
- Which skills should I focus on most? I've got:
* Level 12.4 Fighting
- Level 7.2 Short Blades
- Level 13.0 Throwing
+ Level 16.7 Dodging
- Level 9.0 Stealth
- Level 13.8 Stabbing
- Level 12.2 Evocations

- Related to that, I just found a manual of stabbing, but stabbings already almost at 14, that's enough to one-shot anything anyway, isn't it?
- Do higher levels of stabbing give a chance of stabbing in normal melee?


Missile weapons
Poison needles are starting to lose their effectiveness and I don't yet have paralysis / sleeping needles. What's better for softening things up at range, hand axe of returning (I got two +3,+2 ones in a bailey), or steel darts?

Equipment
Not really needing advice as much as wanting to brag.:
- Trog's very first gift to me was a +6,+8 quick blade!
- Then on Lair 8 I find the +1,+6 quick blade of Fykoqis {elec, str +3 dex-3}. I did NOT know you could have a QB of electrocution, that is massive.
- I use-ID'd a scroll of acquirement, chose armour and got the +0 Robe of Midsummer (rF++ rC+ MR Str-1)
- and a +2,+5 ring of slaying is helping out too.
- Weirdly, I still have not found any other blowguns other than the one I started with. A blowgun of velocity or evasion would be pretty sweet.

This is probably a character that any decent player could trivially win with. I'm sure I'll get overconfident somewhere and get myself killed.
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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 19:13

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

Oh and I actually have one more scroll of acquirement, any suggestions how to use it? Obviously not on weapons, I know, I'm thinking either gold or armour. Maybe I should save it in case I find something really good in a shop.

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 19:31

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

Higher levels of stabbing don't allow you to stab in normal melee, no. 13.8 probably won't let you one-shot the highest HP baddies, though, so I wouldn't consider the manual a waste.

If your goal is to be a needle stabber, you're going to want to max out Throwing. Before that, you should probably bring Short Blades up to 8 so that your QB is at min. delay. I'd raise Stealth a bit higher too, and pick up Traps at some point too.

You don't mention Shields skill, but you're sporting a buckler. Make sure you train that enough to bring down the penalty.

Your hand axe will do a lot more damage than any kind of dart.

Why carry around potions of berserk rage while worshiping Trog?

EDIT: Troglodytes have the nice ability to get a guaranteed rod by acquiring Staves. You've already got more Evocations than you should have, so maybe roll the dice one? Otherwise, I'd go for a wand hoping for Healing

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 19:39

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

Thanks for the tips.

Potions of berserk: Duh. I just haven't thought of dropping them yet.

Here's an interesting twist: I just got, for 200 gold in Orc:4, a +7,+4 randart sabre of distortion with +Blink rElec rN+. Wielding that would obviously preclude using my needles too much, but distortion is a cool brand, it's got nice resists, and my throwing skill is not wasted with those hand axes. Would you consider that approach? It has a certain charm of simplicity.

Orc:4 also had:
randart amulet of Clarity with Stlth++
ring of invisibility
amulet of faith

Would you consider an amulet of faith at this point? That would let me spam BiA a bit more, but I've had as much BiA as I really need anyway.

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 19:59

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

Why would you consider swapping away from a quickblade of electrocution? That is the best weapon you could hope for as far as a shortblades user under trog goes, except maybe for qblade of chaos.

You should buy the ring of invisibility and invisibility stab things and enjoy your win.

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 20:05

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

crate wrote:Why would you consider swapping away from a quickblade of electrocution? That is the best weapon you could hope for as far as a shortblades user under trog goes, except maybe for qblade of chaos..


Quickblade of distortion, maybe? :)
My wins so far - FeBe, KoBe, DsCo, MDFi, DsBe

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 20:08

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

For a trog character I would not want a qblade of distortion. Distortion is not really a brand you want to use against everything (unless you can stab everything), but with Trog you don't have much choice but to use it and you can't really stab everything as a sp of trog (invis ring will use too much food if you use it against every enemy group).

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 20:09

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

I'd only pick up the amulet of faith if you want to switch gods for some reason. Crate's right about invis-stabbing. It trivializes huge swaths of the game.

I'd also not consider a weapon of distortion unless I got stuck with one after wield-IDing or it was getting late and I hadn't found a dagger/qb of elec. (Not quite sure about chaos either, though at least you could unwield it freely.)
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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 20:38

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

Thanks again. Yeah, I actually wield-id'd that sabre of electrocution, so I actually used it to clear Orc. It worked very well, and it rounds out my resistances nicely, but it did make my needles somewhat pointless. When I cleared Orc:4 though I took the chance of unwielding it, fortunately I just got the space warping damage and was not banished, though I probably would have fared okay in the abyss with this character.

Distortion actually saved my butt vs Nessos on Orc:4 (along with BiA). Nessos was kicking my ass, and then suddenly - poof - devoured by a tear in reality. An attack that has a chance of irresistibly annihilating any opponent in a single shot is pretty nice.

All I need now is an evokable source of blink since I have the cTele mutation.

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 20:42

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That's great until you run into Nessos in the Abyss while rune hunting. :)

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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 21:03

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

Eventually you will need to max throwing and stealth. Stabbing you can just use the book as you level the other stuff. Put maybe 20% or so in it as you work stealth. Be careful in vaults though. A lucky hit by a stone giant will ruin your day.
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Post Wednesday, 17th October 2012, 21:06

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

Just found a manual of dodging. +4+4 aptitude on a skill I definitely want to max, nice! Should help prevent that unlucky hit by a stone giant.

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Post Thursday, 18th October 2012, 05:40

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

+Blink on a distortion sabre, while having control teleport mutation and while worshipping Trog, seems pretty nice to me. Can someone post some numbers on how much damage you are giving up with the sabre?

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Post Friday, 19th October 2012, 09:42

Re: SpAs of Trog needs gear, skill advice

BlackSheep wrote:EDIT: Troglodytes have the nice ability to get a guaranteed rod by acquiring Staves. You've already got more Evocations than you should have, so maybe roll the dice one? Otherwise, I'd go for a wand hoping for Healing

They also get guaranteed manuals when acquiring Books.

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