Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm


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Joined: Sunday, 14th April 2013, 04:01

Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 18:28

Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

Right now, I have Conj 9.7, Fire 8.5, and Earth 10.2. Vehumet gave me crystal spear (which I probably won't take, I have iron shot available and PArrow, and that should be sufficient IMO), Shatter, and F storm.

This is only going to be a 3 rune since I've only won the game once before.

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-1590-g436b12b (console) character file.

TeshiAlair the Reanimator (Demonspawn Necromancer) Turns: 52372, Time: 03:36:31

HP 125/128       AC 27     Str 11      XL: 17   Next: 68%
MP   7/35        EV 13     Int 23      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 1615        SH  0     Dex 16      Spells:  8 memorised, 11 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     a - +6 dire flail (protect)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     X - +9 ring mail of the Monkey's Uncle {Str+2 Dex+1}
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rRot     .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     Q - +2 cloak of the Vestibule of Hell {rF++ rC+ Dex+1}
SustAb .         Warding  .     B - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   +         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  .                        s - amulet of resist mutation
MR     +....                    S - ring of poison resistance
                                H - cursed ring of wizardry

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: antennae 3, claws 2, talons 3, mutation resistance 1, nightstalker 1, spiny
2, augmentation 1
a: Renounce Religion
}: 1/15 runes: decaying


You are on level 3 of the Spider Nest.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 36 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer, Ossuary and Ice Cave.

You have collected 4091 gold pieces.
You have spent 2476 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +6 dire flail of protection (weapon)
 A - a +1 morningstar of protection
Armour
 p - a +0 buckler
 B - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 Q - the +2 cloak of the Vestibule of Hell (worn) {rF++ rC+ Dex+1}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
 X - the +9 ring mail of the Monkey's Uncle (worn) {Str+2 Dex+1}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+1).
 Z - a +8 fire dragon armour
Magical devices
 t - a wand of confusion (13)
 v - a wand of fire
 C - a wand of digging {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
 i - 8 bread rations
 q - 5 meat rations
 G - 49 fruits
 K - 10 beef jerkies
Scrolls
 b - a scroll of identify
 f - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 h - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 l - 26 scrolls of remove curse
 x - a scroll of blinking
 E - 13 scrolls of teleportation
 T - 4 scrolls of recharging
 Y - 6 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 c - an uncursed ring of flight
 s - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 w - an uncursed amulet of warding
 F - a +4 ring of protection
 H - a cursed ring of wizardry (left hand)
 N - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 P - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 R - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 S - a ring of poison resistance (right hand)
 V - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
Potions
 d - 2 potions of flight
 g - 4 potions of haste
 j - 13 potions of curing
 m - 3 potions of resistance
 z - 3 potions of invisibility
 D - 10 potions of restore abilities
 I - a potion of might
 J - 2 potions of brilliance
 M - a potion of cure mutation
 O - 3 potions of agility
 W - a potion of magic
Books
 e - a book of Power   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Fulminant Prism                    Conjuration/Hexes            4
   Iskenderun's Mystic Blast          Conjuration                  4
   Venom Bolt                         Conjuration/Poison           5
   Bolt of Magma                      Conjuration/Fire/Earth       5
   Iron Shot                          Conjuration/Earth            6
   Orb of Destruction                 Conjuration                  7
 k - a book of Dreams   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Ensorcelled Hibernation            Hexes/Ice                    2
   Flight                             Charms/Air                   3
   Phase Shift                        Translocation                5
   Shadow Creatures                   Summoning                    5
   Mass Confusion                     Hexes                        6
   Darkness                           Hexes                        7
 n - a book of Enchantments   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Tukima's Dance                     Hexes                        3
   Cause Fear                         Hexes                        4
   Silence                            Hexes/Air                    5
   Deflect Missiles                   Charms/Air                   6
   Haste                              Charms                       6
   Discord                            Hexes                        8
 o - a book of Geomancy   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Sandblast                          Earth                        1
   Stoneskin                          Transmutation/Earth          2
   Passwall                           Transmutation/Earth          3
   *Stone Arrow                       Conjuration/Earth            3
   Petrify                            Transmutation/Earth          4
   Lee's Rapid Deconstruction         Earth                        5
 r - a book of Wizardry   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Agony                              Necromancy                   5
   Force Lance                        Conjuration                  5
   Dispersal                          Translocation                6
   Haste                              Charms                       6
   Invisibility                       Hexes                        6
   Spellforged Servitor               Conjuration/Summoning        7
 u - a book of Debilitation   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Corona                             Hexes                        1
   Slow                               Hexes                        2
   Inner Flame                        Hexes/Fire                   3
   Enslavement                        Hexes                        4
   Cause Fear                         Hexes                        4
   Leda's Liquefaction                Hexes/Earth                  4
 L - a book of Control   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Control Teleport                   Charms/Translocation         4
   Control Undead                     Necromancy                   4
   Enslavement                        Hexes                        4
   Metabolic Englaciation             Hexes/Ice                    5
   Mass Confusion                     Hexes                        6
 U - a book of Spatial Translocations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Apportation                        Translocation                1
   *Blink                             Translocation                2
   Shroud of Golubria                 Charms/Translocation         2
   Portal Projectile                  Translocation                3
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Passage of Golubria                Translocation                4
Miscellaneous
 y - a stone of tremors


   Skills:
 + Level 10.3 Fighting
 + Level 11.8 Maces & Flails
 - Level 8.6 Armour
 - Level 9.2 Dodging
 - Level 1.7 Stealth
 - Level 5.4 Shields
 - Level 11.6 Spellcasting
 - Level 9.7 Conjurations
 - Level 12.2 Necromancy
 - Level 8.5 Fire Magic
 - Level 10.2 Earth Magic
 - Level 8.0 Poison Magic


You have 11 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          4%          2    None
b - Animate Skeleton      Necr           N/A          1%          1    None
c - Vampiric Draining     Necr           #######...   1%          3    None
d - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ######....   1%          3    None
e - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          1%          4    None
g - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      ######       1%          3    None
h - Poison Arrow          Conj/Pois      ######....   3%          6    #####..
i - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ######....   3%          6    #####..


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:11
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:11          Swamp (5/5) Lair:6
 Spider (3/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6       Vaults (0/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:11 (   D:12 *   Orc:1 !   Orc:4 %*=[*

Portals:
Trove: D:13 (give +4 demon whip)

Annotations:
Lair:7 exclusion: orange crystal statue


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have a pair of large antennae on your head (SInv).
You have very sharp fingernails.
You have claws for feet.
You are slightly more attuned to the shadows.
You are mostly covered in sharp spines.
Your magical and physical power is slightly enhanced at high health.
You are somewhat resistant to further mutation.


Message History

You feel your power returning. The spider is struck by your spines.
The spider closely misses you.
Your wolf spider zombie hits the spider!
Your wolf spider zombie bites the spider.
The spider barely misses your wolf spider zombie.
Casting: Stone Arrow
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Stone Arrow
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - spider
Aim: a spider (almost dead)
The stone arrow hits the spider.
You kill the spider!
Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning.
Your wolf spider zombie is caught in a web!
Casting: Stone Arrow
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You call on the dead to rise... The dead are crawling!
Your wolf spider zombie tears the web.
Okay, then.

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You can see 3 friendly spider zombies, 3 friendly wolf spider zombies, a
friendly orb spider zombie, a friendly tarantella zombie, a friendly redback
zombie, a friendly scorpion zombie and a friendly moth of wrath zombie.

Vanquished Creatures
  A tentacled monstrosity (Swamp:5)
  A thorn hunter (Swamp:5)
  Rupert (Lair:8)
  Donald (Swamp:3)
  Snorg (Lair:4)
  2 vault guards (D:13)
  A fire dragon (D:15)
  A green death (Swamp:5)
  3 shambling mangroves (Swamp:4)
  23 hydras
  4 alligators
  13 death yaks
  A tengu warrior (D:15)
  A thrashing horror (Swamp:5)
  3 ogre magi
  Urug (D:11)
  3 very ugly things
  Nergalle (D:11)
  The ghost of Wraith187 the Nimble, an experienced DECj of Vehumet (D:10)
  Erolcha (Orc:2)
  3 large abominations (Swamp:5)
  2 centaur warriors (D:15)
  6 orb spiders
  3 swamp dragons
  2 necromancers (D:13)
  2 deep trolls (Orc:4)
  An ice statue (IceCv)
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:5)
  6 hill giants
  A deep elf conjurer (D:15)
  3 wizards
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:1)
  2 orc knights
  3 manticores
  The ghost of Thrkk the Basher, an experienced DsWr of Ashenzari (D:6)
  A griffon (D:13)
  5 red wasps
  6 cyclopes
  10 wolf spiders
  4 elephants
  10 spiny frogs
  3 orange demons (Swamp:5)
  An item mimic (D:14)
  2 naga magi (D:15)
  3 black mambas
  3 demonic crawlers
  4 yaktaurs (D:15)
  6 komodo dragons
  A centaur zombie (D:12)
  6 jumping spiders
  A fire drake (Lair:5)
  A tengu conjurer (D:15)
  10 giant leeches
  7 two-headed ogres
  9 bog bodies
  9 trolls
  20 polar bears
  6 ravens
  3 baby alligators (Swamp:1)
  A boulder beetle (Spider:3)
  23 slime creatures
  5 basilisks
  A griffon skeleton (D:15)
  A vampire (D:14)
  4 trapdoor spiders
  19 spriggans
  33 yaks
  2 wyverns
  15 redbacks
  2 wraiths
  A spriggan (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  7 tarantellas
  2 shadows
  19 ugly things
  A deep elf mage (D:11)
  A water elemental (D:13)
  A shark (D:10)
  5 hippogriffs
  3 hungry ghosts
  2 steam dragons
  18 vampire mosquitoes
  13 humans (D:13)
  Edmund (D:9)
  31 swamp worms
  45 wolves
  A soldier ant (D:15)
  6 wargs
  24 water moccasins
  3 porcupines
  Psyche (D:9)
  7 swamp drakes
  The ghost of pnomoth the Ruffian, an average TrMo (D:3)
  6 black bears
  18 spiders
  22 ogres
  9 orc warriors
  A phantom (D:8)
  12 yellow wasps
  15 ice beasts
  5 sky beasts
  A necrophage (D:9)
  5 boring beetles
  12 centaurs
  A brain worm (Spider:1)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:8)
  16 crocodiles
  A big kobold (D:10)
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  A yaktaur skeleton (D:14)
  A komodo dragon skeleton (D:11)
  22 insubstantial wisps
  21 giant frogs
  A cyclops skeleton (D:15)
  5 scorpions
  A tengu simulacrum (D:15)
  3 eyes of draining
  26 killer bees
  3 wights (D:15)
  3 goliath beetles (D:7)
  8 electric eels
  A giant frog zombie (D:5)
  8 crimson imps
  A gnoll shaman (D:9)
  13 orc wizards
  5 hounds
  A jelly (D:15)
  18 orc priests
  10 big fish
  3 human skeletons (D:13)
  13 iguanas
  5 worker ants
  17 sheep
  An ogre zombie (D:5)
  2 mummies
  7 gnolls
  25 adders
  29 green rats
  A steam dragon zombie (D:7)
  A worm zombie (D:8)
  17 orc skeletons
  15 worms
  4 giant mites
  2 shadow imps (D:5)
  An adder skeleton (D:7)
  4 giant geckos
  An ooze (D:3)
  134 orcs
  2 bat skeletons
  A bat zombie (D:7)
  3 giant cockroaches
  A gnoll zombie (D:8)
  19 goblins
  16 hobgoblins
  9 jackals
  11 quokkas
  14 ball pythons
  9 bats
  7 giant newts
  4 gnoll skeletons (Ossuary)
  A jackal skeleton (D:10)
  16 kobolds
  7 kobold skeletons (Ossuary)
  30 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:8)
  2 rat zombies
  32 ballistomycetes
  A fungus (Lair:3)
  3 plants
1280 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  The ghost of Waterpls the Earth Mage, a mighty FoEE of Vehumet (Swamp:1)
  A frost giant (IceCv)
  A green death (Swamp:5)
  Harold (D:13)
  5 hydras
  Nessos (D:13)
  4 alligators
  10 death yaks
  3 orb spiders
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:4)
  3 swamp dragons
  2 hill giants
  A necromancer (D:15)
  6 wolf spiders
  A moth of wrath (Spider:3)
  10 elephants
  A tengu conjurer (D:15)
  5 spiny frogs
  2 komodo dragons (Lair:7)
  A raven (D:15)
  An item mimic (Lair:5)
  A torpor snail (Spider:2)
  2 feature mimics
  2 yaktaurs
  A demonic crawler (Spider:2)
  4 trolls (Orc:4)
  3 jumping spiders
  A wandering mushroom (Lair:6)
  5 polar bears (IceCv)
  4 giant leeches
  A boulder beetle (Lair:7)
  3 bog bodies
  10 slime creatures
  2 two-headed ogres
  A trapdoor spider (Spider:2)
  4 spriggans
  2 tarantellas
  5 ugly things
  A redback (Spider:3)
  2 sharks
  14 yaks
  A shadow (Swamp:3)
  3 humans (D:13)
  5 hippogriffs
  13 wolves
  3 swamp worms (Spider:1)
  8 vampire mosquitoes
  A hill giant skeleton (D:13)
  2 orc warriors
  A soldier ant (D:11)
  8 water moccasins
  3 ice beasts
  An ice dragon simulacrum (D:15)
  11 ogres
  3 spiders
  2 porcupines
  2 yellow wasps
  2 centaurs (D:12)
  6 crocodiles
  An elf simulacrum (D:15)
  5 giant frogs
  2 jellies
  6 killer bees
  An electric eel (D:10)
  3 crimson imps
  3 hounds
  2 big fish (Lair:7)
  A quasit (D:9)
  3 orc priests
  3 orc wizards
  An elf skeleton (D:8)
  A worker ant (D:8)
  A boulder beetle simulacrum (D:15)
  An ogre zombie (D:8)
  10 sheep
  8 adders
  18 green rats
  A shadow imp (D:11)
  A gnoll (D:9)
  A giant gecko (D:7)
  An ooze (Sewer)
  30 orcs
  3 ball pythons (Sewer)
  A quokka (Lair:2)
  A giant spore (D:15)
  A goblin (Orc:4)
  7 rats
  5 worms (D:2)
  7 ballistomycetes
  A bush (Lair:5)
  2 butterflies (Lair:2)
  11 fungi
  5 plants
352 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A wolf spider zombie (Spider:1)
  A wizard (D:3)
  3 death yak zombies
  7 swamp worm zombies
  A demonic crawler zombie (Spider:1)
  6 hydra zombies
  A polar bear (IceCv)
  2 alligator zombies
  A hydra skeleton (Swamp:5)
  2 jumping spider zombies (Spider:1)
  A red wasp zombie (Swamp:1)
  A black mamba zombie (Lair:7)
  3 hill giant zombies
  2 giant leech zombies (Swamp:4)
  A fire dragon skeleton (D:15)
  5 ugly thing zombies
  3 raven zombies
  An orb spider zombie (Spider:1)
  A baby alligator zombie (Swamp:1)
  2 spiny frog skeletons (Swamp:1)
  2 spiny frog zombies
  A baby alligator skeleton (Swamp:1)
  2 swamp dragon zombies
  4 human zombies (D:13)
  An elf skeleton (D:15)
  A swamp dragon skeleton (Swamp:3)
  8 vampire mosquito zombies
  A komodo dragon zombie (D:12)
  A wyvern zombie (D:7)
  4 cyclops zombies
  4 water moccasin zombies
  A yaktaur skeleton (D:15)
  7 spider zombies
  A water moccasin skeleton (Lair:3)
  3 spriggan zombies
  A hippogriff zombie (D:12)
  3 polar bear zombies (IceCv)
  2 troll zombies
  8 yak zombies
  A polar bear skeleton (IceCv)
  2 troll skeletons
  3 yak skeletons
  A hippogriff skeleton (Lair:6)
  20 wolf zombies
  3 giant frog zombies
  A boring beetle zombie (Lair:7)
  4 giant frog skeletons
  A wolf skeleton (Lair:8)
  2 yellow wasp zombies
  4 centaur zombies
  An elf zombie (D:11)
  A soldier ant zombie (D:15)
  3 centaur skeletons
  A two-headed ogre zombie (D:15)
  2 basilisk zombies
  2 bog body skeletons (Swamp:5)
  2 human skeletons
  A black bear skeleton (D:10)
  8 killer bee zombies
  3 crocodile zombies
  9 ogre zombies
  4 crocodile skeletons
  A necrophage skeleton (D:9)
  4 ogre skeletons
  2 hound skeletons
  A hound zombie (D:8)
  2 worker ant zombies (D:11)
  33 orc zombies
  A swamp drake zombie (Swamp:4)
  3 worm zombies (Spider:1)
  A goliath beetle zombie (D:7)
  7 adder skeletons
  4 adder zombies
  2 sheep skeletons
  4 sheep zombies
  5 iguana skeletons
  3 bat skeletons
  A bat zombie (D:10)
  3 giant gecko skeletons
  A giant newt skeleton (D:3)
  12 giant spores
  2 gnoll skeletons (D:8)
  A gnoll zombie (D:9)
  2 goblin skeletons
  2 goblin zombies (Orc:4)
  6 green rat zombies
  3 hobgoblin skeletons
  A hobgoblin zombie (D:11)
  2 jackal skeletons
  2 jackal zombies (D:10)
  A kobold zombie (D:7)
  16 orc skeletons
  4 quokka skeletons
  A quokka zombie (Lair:6)
  A rat skeleton (D:2)
  A rat zombie (Sewer)
  12 ballistomycetes (D:15)
  9 fungi (Lair:8)
  A plant (Swamp:5)
336 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1968 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | TeshiAlair, the Demonspawn Necromancer, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3
   184 | D:1      | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton
   434 | D:1      | Gained mutation: You have sharp fingernails. [demonic ancestry]
   434 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 11/19 MP: 0/4
   602 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
  1182 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry]
  1182 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/24 MP: 3/6
  1643 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
  1661 | D:2      | Reached skill level 6 in Necromancy
  1690 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You have sharp toenails. [demonic ancestry]
  1690 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 11/30 MP: 7/7
  2574 | D:3      | Noticed pnomoth's ghost (average TrMo)
  2915 | D:3      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  2940 | D:3      | Noticed a wizard
  2943 | D:3      | Killed a wizard
  3222 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/35 MP: 9/9
  3229 | D:3      | HP: 1/35 [worm (8)]
  4312 | D:4      | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
  4545 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Necromancy
  5040 | D:3      | Killed pnomoth's ghost
  5040 | D:3      | Gained mutation: You have razor-sharp toenails. [demonic ancestry]
  5040 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 31/41 MP: 14/14
  5109 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5137 | D:5      | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
  5169 | D:5      | Noticed Blork the orc
  5177 | D:5      | Killed Blork the orc
  5177 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
  5396 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry]
  5396 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 30/46 MP: 17/17
  5493 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Necromancy
  5701 | D:5      | Your ally Blork died
  5893 | D:5      | Gained mutation: You are slightly more attuned to the shadows. [demonic ancestry]
  5893 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 50/52 MP: 18/18
  5903 | D:5      | Reached skill level 9 in Necromancy
  6405 | D:6      | Noticed Thrkk's ghost (experienced DsWr)
  6448 | D:6      | Killed Thrkk's ghost
  6448 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  6448 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy
  6642 | D:6      | Found a glowing drain.
  6650 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  6953 | Sewer    | Gained mutation: You have very sharp fingernails. [demonic ancestry]
  6953 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/57 MP: 13/19
  7413 | D:6      | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast
  7510 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
  7686 | D:7      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  7686 | D:7      | Noticed an angel
  7908 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  7916 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  7996 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
  8385 | D:8      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  8430 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  8519 | Ossuary  | Acquired Vehumet's first power
  8519 | Ossuary  | Offered knowledge of Sting by Vehumet.
  8631 | Ossuary  | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  8950 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  9062 | D:8      | Offered knowledge of Magic Dart by Vehumet.
  9163 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 24/63 MP: 3/23
  9610 | D:8      | Got a jewelled cloak
  9614 | D:8      | Identified the +2 cloak of the Vestibule of Hell {rF++ rC+ Dex+1} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
  9832 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
  9867 | D:9      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 10173 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
 10303 | D:9      | Noticed Edmund
 10307 | D:9      | Killed Edmund
 10479 | D:9      | Offered knowledge of Throw Frost by Vehumet.
 10596 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 11294 | D:10     | Noticed Wraith187's ghost (experienced DECj)
 11657 | D:10     | Acquired Vehumet's second power
 12164 | D:10     | Killed Wraith187's ghost
 12164 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 12224 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Olgreb's Toxic Radiance by Vehumet.
 12774 | D:10     | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small antennae on your head. [demonic ancestry]
 12774 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 60/72 MP: 27/27
 13481 | D:11     | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 13499 | D:11     | Killed a five-headed hydra
 13833 | D:11     | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 13856 | D:11     | Killed a four-headed hydra
 13856 | D:11     | Acquired Vehumet's third power
 14040 | D:11     | Found Caasa Kawal's Weapon Shop.
 14220 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 14225 | D:11     | Offered knowledge of Inner Flame by Vehumet.
 14244 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 14250 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 14422 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
 14696 | D:11     | Noticed Urug
 14708 | D:11     | Killed Urug
 14770 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 14773 | D:11     | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 14774 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Necromancy
 14796 | D:11     | Killed a six-headed hydra
 14938 | D:11     | Noticed Nergalle
 14954 | D:11     | Killed Nergalle
 15160 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 15275 | D:12     | Noticed a hill giant
 15286 | D:12     | Killed a hill giant
 15400 | D:12     | Noticed a hill giant
 15441 | D:11     | Gained mutation: You have a pair of antennae on your head. [demonic ancestry]
 15441 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 47/89 MP: 4/28
 15577 | D:11     | Your ally Urug died
 15714 | D:12     | Killed a hill giant
 16213 | D:12     | Reached skill level 12 in Necromancy
 16419 | D:12     | Found Blajuoru's Pet Rocks.
 16694 | D:12     | Bought a book of Geomancy for 350 gold pieces
 16775 | D:12     | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 16778 | D:12     | Offered knowledge of Spellforged Servitor by Vehumet.
 16997 | D:12     | You fall through a shaft for 3 floors!
 16997 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 17667 | D:15     | Noticed a fire dragon
 17684 | D:15     | Killed a fire dragon
 18064 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 18067 | D:14     | Noticed an ogre mage
 18089 | D:14     | Killed an ogre mage
 18095 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 18403 | D:14     | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
 18902 | D:13     | Gained mutation: You have a pair of large antennae on your head (SInv). [demonic ancestry]
 18902 | D:13     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 90/96 MP: 2/29
 19363 | D:13     | Noticed Harold
 19389 | D:13     | Killed Harold
 19553 | D:13     | Your ally Harold died
 19577 | D:13     | Noticed a vault guard
 19657 | D:13     | Killed a vault guard
 19709 | D:13     | Noticed a vault guard
 19732 | D:13     | Killed a vault guard
 19964 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 20342 | D:13     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 20585 | D:14     | Noticed Nessos
 21067 | D:13     | Killed Nessos
 21084 | D:14     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 22077 | D:15     | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
 23210 | D:15     | Reached XP level 14. HP: 52/103 MP: 28/30
 23660 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 24226 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 24255 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
 24436 | Lair:1   | Offered knowledge of Ignite Poison by Vehumet.
 27059 | Lair:4   | Noticed Snorg
 27075 | Lair:4   | Killed Snorg
 27469 | Lair:4   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 27576 | Lair:4   | Got an encrusted ring mail
 27591 | Lair:4   | Identified the +9 ring mail of the Monkey's Uncle {Str+2 Dex+1} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 27642 | Lair:5   | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 29545 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 29820 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 29820 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 30320 | Lair:7   | Found a frozen archway.
 30328 | Lair:7   | Offered knowledge of Poison Arrow by Vehumet.
 30350 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 30806 | IceCv    | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
 30958 | IceCv    | Gained mutation: You have claws for feet. [demonic ancestry]
 30958 | IceCv    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 74/108 MP: 7/30
 31251 | IceCv    | Learned a level 6 spell: Poison Arrow
 31254 | IceCv    | Noticed a frost giant
 31285 | IceCv    | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic
 31354 | IceCv    | Killed a frost giant
 32362 | Lair:7   | Identified the Grimoire of Glacial Battle Magic (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 32517 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 32547 | Lair:8   | Offered knowledge of Delayed Fireball by Vehumet.
 32606 | Lair:8   | Noticed Rupert
 32626 | Lair:8   | Killed Rupert
 33463 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 34881 | Lair:8   | Identified the Guide on Arcane Weapons (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 35452 | Lair:8   | Upgraded the game from 0.15-a0-1573-g47cdaed to 0.15-a0-1590-g436b12b
 35755 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 35777 | Orc:1    | Found Mninuonk's Distillery.
 35777 | Orc:1    | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 35898 | Orc:1    | Bought a potion of beneficial mutation for 490 gold pieces
 35898 | Orc:1    | Bought 2 potions of heal wounds for 84 gold pieces
 35898 | Orc:1    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 42 gold pieces
 35898 | Orc:1    | Bought 2 potions of heal wounds for 84 gold pieces
 35898 | Orc:1    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 42 gold pieces
 35898 | Orc:1    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 42 gold pieces
 35898 | Orc:1    | Bought a potion of cure mutation for 490 gold pieces
 35902 | Orc:1    | Gained mutation: You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. [potion of beneficial mutation]
 36266 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet.
 36349 | Orc:1    | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 36645 | Orc:2    | Noticed Erolcha
 36651 | Orc:2    | Killed Erolcha
 37268 | Orc:3    | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 37517 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 37763 | Orc:4    | Found Avuabob's General Store.
 37769 | Orc:4    | Found Miav's Armour Emporium.
 37773 | Orc:4    | Found Keome's Jewellery Shop.
 37787 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 5 in Poison Magic
 38105 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 38144 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 38299 | Orc:4    | Found Zajitegukh's Food Shoppe.
 38332 | Orc:4    | Found Shoy's Assorted Antiques.
 38347 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon for 232 gold pieces
 38347 | Orc:4    | Bought a runed pearl amulet for 155 gold pieces
 38372 | Orc:4    | Gained mutation: Your magical and physical power is slightly enhanced at high health. [demonic ancestry]
 38372 | Orc:4    | Reached XP level 16. HP: 115/115 MP: 4/35
 38534 | Orc:4    | Bought a papyrus book for 465 gold pieces
 38880 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 39300 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Waterpls' ghost (mighty FoEE)
 39307 | Swamp:1  | Killed Waterpls' ghost
 39428 | Swamp:1  | Offered knowledge of Conjure Ball Lightning by Vehumet.
 40032 | Swamp:2  | Reached skill level 1 in Fire Magic
 41078 | Swamp:2  | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
 41937 | Swamp:3  | Noticed Donald
 41956 | Swamp:3  | Killed Donald
 42185 | Swamp:3  | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
 43675 | Swamp:4  | Offered knowledge of Orb of Destruction by Vehumet.
 44925 | Swamp:5  | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp
 45046 | Swamp:5  | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 45937 | Swamp:5  | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 46145 | Swamp:5  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 120/120 MP: 30/35
 46884 | Swamp:5  | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity
 46917 | Swamp:5  | Killed a tentacled monstrosity
 47492 | Swamp:5  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
 47993 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 49569 | Spider:1 | Identified a +0 rod of striking (12/12) (You found it on level 1 of the Spider Nest)
 49997 | Spider:2 | Offered knowledge of Lehudib's Crystal Spear by Vehumet.
 49997 | Spider:2 | Offered knowledge of Fire Storm by Vehumet.
 49997 | Spider:2 | Offered knowledge of Shatter by Vehumet.
 51416 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |    10 |       |       |       |       |       ||    10
       Whip              |       |    20 |   205 |   294 |       |       ||   519
       Dire flail        |       |       |       |   263 |  1534 |   157 ||  1954
Throw: Tomahawk          |       |       |       |     5 |       |       ||     5
 Cast: Pain              |    64 |   156 |   196 |    79 |     2 |       ||   497
       Animate Skeleton  |     8 |    14 |    28 |    27 |    57 |     7 ||   141
       Regeneration      |       |     2 |       |    18 |    47 |    15 ||    82
       Vampiric Draining |       |     5 |    23 |   104 |    40 |     9 ||   181
       Animate Dead      |       |       |     7 |    35 |   108 |    80 ||   230
       Iskenderun's Myst |       |       |    16 |   148 |   228 |    23 ||   415
       Stone Arrow       |       |       |       |       |   369 |   766 ||  1135
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Poison Arrow      |       |       |       |       |    13 |    17 ||    30
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |       |    44 ||    44
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     1 |    18 |    15 |    13 ||    47
  Use: Scroll            |     2 |    13 |    13 |    15 |    26 |    12 ||    81
       Potion            |       |     3 |     1 |    11 |     4 |    20 ||    39
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |     1 |       |    10 |     1 ||    12
       Sleeping          |       |       |     2 |     4 |     6 |       ||    12
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |     2 |       |       ||     2
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Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 18:33

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

Do you like noise and dust or noise and heat?

Personally, I would do Shatter if I'm more melee oriented (it centers around the player, right?) and Fire Storm if I'm not and if I have some alternate means to take care of Orbs of Fire.

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Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 18:42

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

I do like hitting things. OoF I guess I'll Iron Shot.

Fire storm is a bit better given that I use animate dead frequently though. But Shatter specs better with the rest of my kit (I'll probably forget Bolt of Fire when I get Iron Shot, I only had it for the penetrating effect).
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Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 19:04

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

The spell that costs half the amount of XP and also hits an area several times bigger and also allows you to bust through walls and ninja branch ends.

Assuming you actually live long enough to get Shatter castable, LCS will be better than Iron Shot.

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Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 21:33

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

LCS is the best of the three IMO.

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Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 21:37

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:The spell that costs half the amount of XP and also hits an area several times bigger and also allows you to bust through walls and ninja branch ends.

Assuming you actually live long enough to get Shatter castable, LCS will be better than Iron Shot.

... although that's mainly for the "I need to do as much damage as I can in 3 aut" use case: it only does a little bit more damage than Iron Shot in the "I need to do as much damage as I can with 24 MP" use case, and very slightly so against unarmored targets.

And, of course, LCS has one less range and a huge hunger cost.

If you can afford the spell levels, keep both spells.

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Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 22:32

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

If I remember correctly from a discussion on ##crawl, LCS is also significantly more accurate than iron shot (especially at low power I think).

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Post Thursday, 19th June 2014, 22:50

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

iron shot accuracy: 7+power/15
crystal spear accuracy: 10+power/15

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Post Friday, 20th June 2014, 00:19

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

In the span of a 3- or even 6-Rune game, I don't think I've ever actually had a Vehumet character who actually learned and used one of her final three gifts since she stopped gifting physical books. They're pretty much post-endgame only. Too expensive otherwise.

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Post Friday, 20th June 2014, 02:37

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

If you're playing to win, KL is right; you have better places to use your XP. If you're playing to learn sweet spells, Shatter is as much fun as Fire Storm (more fun, IMO) and cheaper to boot.
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Post Friday, 20th June 2014, 11:03

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

KoboldLord wrote:In the span of a 3- or even 6-Rune game, I don't think I've ever actually had a Vehumet character who actually learned and used one of her final three gifts since she stopped gifting physical books. They're pretty much post-endgame only. Too expensive otherwise.

yeah the only spell ive been able to use is LCS as an EE, once. and that was a 6 rune game.

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Post Friday, 20th June 2014, 15:31

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

KoboldLord wrote:In the span of a 3- or even 6-Rune game, I don't think I've ever actually had a Vehumet character who actually learned and used one of her final three gifts since she stopped gifting physical books. They're pretty much post-endgame only. Too expensive otherwise.


I've certainly had characters who learned a level 9 spell in a 3 rune game but then never actually cast it. Because in Zot you probably don't want to be making a huge noise and attracting all the monsters to you.

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Post Friday, 20th June 2014, 18:46

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

My first win was with a DeFe, and let me tell you, firestorm's noise just meant more draconians, orb guardians, and Aliches waltzed into the next blast. OOFs were more problematic, but I'd definitely say firestorm was nice to have in zot.

That's not to say the XP wouldn't have been better applied elsewhere (I also had 27 spellcasting in that game), but it's not as if it was useless.

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Post Saturday, 21st June 2014, 01:23

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

Jeremiah wrote:I've certainly had characters who learned a level 9 spell in a 3 rune game but then never actually cast it. Because in Zot you probably don't want to be making a huge noise and attracting all the monsters to you.

It depends: attracting all the monsters to you when you're in a safe area is better than moving through less safe areas trying to pick them off one at a time.

My last MuWz to get through the early game just sat on some stairs in a wide open area in front of the rune vault, and happily attracted all the monsters to me over the course of a few tens of thousands of turns, allowing me to clear nearly all of Zot:5 with Tornado (and some OOD) while I was trying to rest off some stat drain.

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Post Saturday, 21st June 2014, 02:08

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

damiac wrote:My first win was with a DeFe, and let me tell you, firestorm's noise just meant more draconians, orb guardians, and Aliches waltzed into the next blast. OOFs were more problematic, but I'd definitely say firestorm was nice to have in zot.

That's not to say the XP wouldn't have been better applied elsewhere (I also had 27 spellcasting in that game), but it's not as if it was useless.


I didn't say it couldn't happen. I'm just saying that elemental conjurations + Vehumet is my very favorite build that I play more than any other, and level 8 or 9 spells haven't come together for me by that point in the game even one time between now and the time Vehumet was changed to start gifting spells directly. I've memorized them, but never managed to make them useful with safe and natural skill development until I've already cleared a large chunk of the post-endgame.

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Post Saturday, 21st June 2014, 04:49

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

I've definitely gotten Fire Storm online before Zot with only 3 runes in possession, though it's likely I was undervaluing other skills. It was a DEWz and it was only my 5th win, so I wasn't exactly the best at prioritizing skills.

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Post Saturday, 21st June 2014, 14:42

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Hah, yeah, did I mention I had firestorm castable with 0 hunger cost? That's a sure sign you have not spent your xp well. I think I was even wearing an amulet of the gourmand when I ascended. With my terrible defenses, and complete lack of melee ability, I was lucky not to die quite a few times with that character.

All I was saying is that if you do happen to have firestorm castable, for whatever reason, zot 5 is a fine place to use it. That's not to say it's a good idea to shoot for firestorm in a 3 rune game.

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Post Saturday, 21st June 2014, 20:33

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

I think Ash spoiled me as far as getting level 9's online. Gargoyle EE had zero trouble with Shatter in my only win.
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Post Monday, 23rd June 2014, 09:29

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

Just out of curiosity: what made you turn your DSNe into a Vehumetian blaster? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

(I'd definitely take LCS.)
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Post Monday, 23rd June 2014, 14:59

Re: Which is better: Shatter or Fire Storm

Everyone should try shattering V:5 once, even if it's not the best use of skill XP.

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