Halls Hopper
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Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 18:27
DsMo questions
Hello! i understand that most of you are tired of fielding silly questions, so i'll try and get to the point and get this over with as soon as possible.
Apologies if i'm supposed to use something other than spoiler to hide the text - i haven't dumped a character on here in a long time, possibly ever, and i likewise just started playing crawl again.
Anyways, two future reference questions and one "here and now" question:
1. What gods are ideal for a DsMo? I grabbed Makhleb because of the HP regen, summons and bolts-on-command. However, there were at least a few other gods that caught my eye: Fedhas (tons of summons), Kiku (necromancy to hopefully build into necromutation for the late-game; since i've only ever made it to the late game once, though, that might not be smart thinking) and Dithmenos (unarmed strikes require light armor anyway, stealthy UUC sneak attacks could be good but i'm not sure?)
2. Skill Training: how important is it to focus UUC? Traditionally, i've been training it and fighting simultaneously, focusing other skills as wanted (the transmutation investment in this game is because i have the chance to get statue form, which i've heard is ridiculously powerful).
3. I just found a +10/+9 randart short sword on the body of a wizard; among other things, it's antimagic. While i'm probably not going to start using it as my main weapon due to the low damage, should i start training short swords anyway, and using it on areas i'm expecting to find a lot of spellcasters in (e.g. the elven halls)?
Thanks.
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-2-gd2dacb9 (tiles) character file.
Discord the Transmogrifier (Demonspawn Monk) Turns: 19586, Time: 02:00:34
HP 54/101 AC 17 Str 13 XL: 13 Next: 12%
MP 27/27 EV 15 Int 15 God: Makhleb [******]
Gold 1181 SH 0 Dex 16 Spells: 1 memorised, 20 levels left
rFire . . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed
rCold . . . Clarity . N - +4 steam dragon armour of the Wilderness {MR+ Acc+4}
rNeg . . . Conserve . (no shield)
rPois . rCorr . h - +1 helmet (curse)
rElec . rRot . s - +1 cloak {+Inv}
SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable)
rMut . Warding . z - +0 pair of boots (curse)
Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet)
MR +.... t - ring of see invisible
e - +2 ring of evasion
@: burdened, studying Ice Magic, slow, somewhat resistant to hostile
enchantments, unstealthy
A: claws 3, thin metallic scales 2, demonic guardian 2, spiny 1
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility
You are on level 14 of the Dungeon.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
You are encumbered.
You are not hungry.
You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 19 of its levels.
You have collected 2113 gold pieces.
You have spent 932 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
L - the +10,+9 short sword of the Evening {antimagic, +Rage rF+ Str-3 Dex+1 Int+1}
(You took it off a wizard on level 14 of the Dungeon)
It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and certain
magical creatures (including the wielder).
It affects your strength (-3).
It affects your intelligence (+1).
It affects your dexterity (+1).
It protects you from fire.
It lets you go berserk.
Armour
h - a cursed +1 helmet (worn)
s - a +1 cloak of darkness (worn)
z - a cursed +0 pair of boots (worn)
C - a +2 robe of fire resistance
N - the +4 steam dragon armour of the Wilderness (worn) {MR+ Acc+4}
(You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)
It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
f - a wand of hasting (3)
j - a wand of digging (9)
k - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 5}
D - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 6}
F - a wand of paralysis
K - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1}
M - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 11}
O - a wand of cold {zapped: 2}
T - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
b - 10 bread rations
d - 2 pears
l - 5 meat rations
o - 2 apples
A - 9 strawberries
B - 5 chunks of centaur flesh
E - 3 cheeses
Q - 6 honeycombs
R - 3 lemons
Scrolls
g - a scroll of enchant armour
i - 2 scrolls of remove curse
p - a scroll of fear
r - 3 scrolls of teleportation
u - 2 scrolls of recharging
v - 5 scrolls of identify
y - 2 scrolls of fog
J - a scroll of enchant weapon II
Jewellery
e - a +2 ring of evasion (left claw)
n - an uncursed ring of positive energy
q - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
t - a ring of see invisible (right claw)
H - a dented crystal amulet
Potions
c - 9 potions of curing
m - 3 potions of brilliance
x - 2 potions of magic
G - a potion of flight
I - a potion of might
S - a potion of restore abilities
Books
a - a book of Transfigurations
Spells Type Level
*Stoneskin Transmutation/Earth 2
Ice Form Ice/Transmutation 4
Statue Form Transmutation/Earth 6
Dragon Form Transmutation 7
P - a manual of Ice Magic
Miscellaneous
w - a sack of spiders
Skills:
- Level 9.2 Fighting
- Level 2.6 Dodging
- Level 1.7 Stealth
- Level 11.3 Unarmed Combat
- Level 5.4 Spellcasting
+ Level 11.5 Transmutations
- Level 10.5 Invocations
- Level 6.4 Evocations
You have 20 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth ###....... 1% 2 #......
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (14/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (3/4) D:9
Lair (1/8) D:10 Vaults (0/5) D:14
Elf: Orc:3-4
Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Okawaru
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Shops:
D:5 * Orc:1 * Orc:3 *
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You have claws for hands.
You are mostly covered in thin metallic scales (AC +3).
A demonic guardian rushes to your aid.
You are partially covered in sharp spines.
Message History
You continue butchering the corpse. x3
You finish butchering the centaur corpse.
You can't pick everything up without burdening yourself.
B - 5 chunks of centaur flesh
Things that are here:
a manticore corpse; an uncursed longbow; 10 arrows; a chunk of centaur flesh
You offer a prayer to Makhleb.
The manticore corpse disappears without a sign.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
Found a metal-bound book and a meat ration.
You can't pick everything up without burdening yourself.
H - a dented crystal amulet
You now have 1181 gold pieces (gained 230).
Things that are here:
a smoking short sword; a robe; a wand of invisibility {zapped: 1}
You are being weighed down by all of your possessions.
L - a smoking short sword; T - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 1}
Identify which item? (\ to view known items) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust.
L - the +10,+9 short sword of the Evening {antimagic, +Rage rF+ Str-3 Dex+1 Int+1}
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There are no monsters in sight!
Vanquished Creatures
A centaur warrior (D:14)
A tengu warrior (D:14)
A large abomination (D:13)
A skeletal warrior (D:14)
Pikel (D:4)
A hill giant (D:14)
A cyclops (D:12)
An orc sorcerer (Orc:3)
2 gargoyles
Psyche (D:13)
An efreet (D:13)
A troll (D:10)
A raiju (D:14)
A two-headed ogre (D:14)
2 basilisks (D:14)
A tarantella (shapeshifter) (D:14)
3 shadows
2 deep elf magi
An ugly thing (D:10)
A wyvern (D:13)
2 hungry ghosts
Eustachio (D:10)
3 yaks (D:11)
2 hill giant skeletons
3 hippogriffs
3 vampire mosquitoes (D:14)
3 wargs
A centaur simulacrum (D:14)
13 orc warriors
2 porcupines
2 mottled dragons
A necrophage (D:10)
A spider (D:13)
A slave (D:4)
2 small abominations (D:13)
2 black bears (D:10)
4 ice beasts
2 sky beasts
4 phantoms
6 centaurs
6 ogres
2 crocodiles (D:10)
2 boring beetles (D:13)
3 big kobolds
A komodo dragon zombie (D:14)
2 brain worms (D:13)
A gnoll sergeant (D:8)
A wyvern zombie (D:8)
A giant slug (D:10)
6 giant frogs
3 scorpions
An eye of draining (D:7)
4 wights (D:12)
2 jellies (D:12)
9 killer bees
2 quasits
3 crimson imps
A giant frog zombie (D:9)
A giant frog skeleton (D:11)
A goliath beetle (D:9)
Crazy Yiuf (D:4)
22 orc priests
3 hounds
18 orc wizards
A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:8)
An iguana (D:6)
10 worker ants
9 sheep
Ijyb (D:2)
Jessica (D:2)
A sky beast zombie (D:11)
An ogre skeleton (D:4)
A big kobold skeleton (D:10)
A kobold simulacrum (D:14)
2 mummies
A worker ant zombie (D:11)
7 gnolls
2 green rats (D:10)
17 adders
5 giant mites
A shadow imp (D:6)
5 worms
An inept feature mimic (D:10)
An inept item mimic (D:3)
An orc zombie (D:8)
An iguana skeleton (D:7)
10 giant geckos
4 oozes
157 orcs
20 bats
2 bat skeletons
16 goblins
22 hobgoblins
24 kobolds
5 quokkas
2 ball pythons (D:3)
A ball python skeleton (D:5)
7 giant cockroaches
4 giant newts
A hobgoblin zombie (D:7)
4 jackals (D:4)
A jackal skeleton (D:8)
20 rats
A rat zombie (D:7)
551 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
Maud (D:13)
2 hydras (D:14)
2 dancing weapons (D:14)
Erica (Orc:3)
3 centaur warriors (D:14)
An unseen horror (D:11)
2 skeletal warriors (D:14)
4 large abominations (D:13)
2 hill giants
2 wizards
A manticore (D:14)
A cyclops (D:14)
A mana viper (shapeshifter) (D:13)
An orc knight (Orc:3)
2 wyverns (D:11)
9 yaks
A hippogriff (D:14)
8 ugly things
2 vampire mosquitoes (D:14)
A raven (D:14)
A water moccasin (D:10)
5 small abominations (D:13)
2 ice beasts
An orc warrior (Orc:3)
A sky beast (D:9)
2 ogres
2 centaurs
A gnoll sergeant (D:13)
A wight (D:12)
2 crimson imps
An iguana (D:14)
2 orc priests
A quasit (D:10)
2 orc wizards
2 sheep (D:12)
3 green rats (D:10)
2 gnolls
A worm (D:5)
7 orcs
A hobgoblin (D:11)
A goblin (D:6)
88 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (others)
A cacodemon (D:13)
2 soul eaters
3 sun demons
6 ice devils
A wizard (D:4)
An orange demon (D:13)
7 smoke demons
2 neqoxecs (D:12)
7 crimson imps
6 quasits
3 iron imps
6 white imps
4 ufetubi
A kobold (D:4)
50 creatures vanquished.
Grand Total: 689 creatures vanquished
Notes
Turn | Place | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
0 | D:1 | Discord, the Demonspawn Monk, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1
132 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have sharp fingernails. [demonic ancestry]
132 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/24 MP: 2/2
152 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
1029 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 29/29 MP: 3/3
1418 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica
1431 | D:2 | Killed Jessica
1513 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/35 MP: 4/4
1702 | D:2 | Noticed Ijyb
1718 | D:2 | Killed Ijyb
1718 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
2299 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in thin metallic scales (AC +2). [demonic ancestry]
2299 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 39/42 MP: 5/5
3000 | D:4 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
3000 | D:4 | Noticed a wizard
3006 | D:4 | Killed a wizard
3328 | D:4 | Noticed a slave
3332 | D:4 | Noticed a slave
3356 | D:4 | Noticed Pikel
3358 | D:4 | Killed a slave
3386 | D:4 | Noticed a slave
3393 | D:4 | Noticed a slave
3398 | D:4 | Killed Pikel
3398 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
3398 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
3398 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You have very sharp fingernails. [demonic ancestry]
3398 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 30/51 MP: 6/6
3398 | D:4 | Gained mutation: A weak demonic guardian rushes to your aid. [demonic ancestry]
3398 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/56 MP: 7/7
3623 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
3992 | D:4 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
4000 | D:4 | Killed Crazy Yiuf
4046 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
4097 | D:5 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
4436 | D:5 | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in thin metallic scales (AC +3). [demonic ancestry]
4436 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 61/63 MP: 12/14
4477 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
4490 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
4603 | D:5 | Found Luaserat's General Store.
4606 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
5005 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
5015 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
5623 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
5623 | Temple | Acquired Makhleb's first power
5623 | Temple | Acquired Makhleb's second power
6676 | D:7 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
7393 | D:8 | Acquired Makhleb's third power
7393 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 65/71 MP: 17/17
8110 | D:8 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
8539 | D:9 | Acquired Makhleb's fourth power
9152 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
9159 | D:9 | Acquired Makhleb's fifth power
9431 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
9571 | D:9 | Gained mutation: A demonic guardian rushes to your aid. [demonic ancestry]
9571 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 80/80 MP: 18/20
9663 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
10230 | D:10 | Paralysed by a crimson imp for 3 turns
10522 | D:10 | Noticed Eustachio
10524 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair.
10579 | D:10 | Killed Eustachio
10688 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
10959 | D:11 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
10990 | D:11 | Noticed an unseen horror
10992 | D:11 | Killed an unseen horror
11742 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 80/87 MP: 25/25
12233 | D:12 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
13049 | D:13 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
13085 | D:13 | Noticed a wizard
13100 | D:13 | Killed a wizard
13123 | D:13 | Noticed a large abomination
13123 | D:13 | Noticed a large abomination
13123 | D:13 | Noticed a large abomination
13123 | D:13 | Noticed a large abomination
13133 | D:13 | Killed a large abomination
13133 | D:13 | Killed a large abomination
13134 | D:13 | Killed a large abomination
13144 | D:13 | Noticed a large abomination
13154 | D:13 | Killed a large abomination
13164 | D:13 | Killed a large abomination
13164 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
13168 | D:13 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin
13191 | D:13 | Got a shimmering steam dragon armour
13214 | D:13 | Identified the cursed +4 steam dragon armour of the Wilderness {MR+ Acc+4} (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)
13284 | D:13 | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
13654 | D:13 | Noticed Psyche
13668 | D:13 | Killed Psyche
14254 | D:14 | Noticed a hill giant
14317 | D:14 | Noticed Maud
14317 | D:14 | Noticed a hill giant
14349 | D:13 | Killed Maud
14349 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations
14349 | D:13 | Gained mutation: You have claws for hands. [demonic ancestry]
14349 | D:13 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 32/95 MP: 26/26
14626 | D:13 | Killed a hill giant
14841 | D:14 | Killed a hill giant
14894 | D:14 | Noticed a tengu warrior
14903 | D:14 | Killed a tengu warrior
14970 | D:14 | Noticed a wizard
14979 | D:14 | Noticed a centaur warrior
15067 | D:14 | Killed a centaur warrior
15737 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
15856 | Lair:1 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
15957 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
16180 | Orc:1 | Found Memeame's General Store.
16184 | Orc:1 | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 36 gold pieces
16184 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of identify for 24 gold pieces
16184 | Orc:1 | Bought a wand of hasting (3) for 504 gold pieces
16184 | Orc:1 | Bought a scroll of identify for 24 gold pieces
16184 | Orc:1 | Bought a plain deck of changes for 168 gold pieces
16184 | Orc:1 | Bought a potion of restore abilities for 36 gold pieces
16184 | Orc:1 | Bought a potion of lignification for 24 gold pieces
16207 | Orc:1 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
17149 | Orc:3 | Found Qaimmaq's General Store.
17176 | Orc:3 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces
17296 | Orc:3 | Noticed Erica
17308 | Orc:3 | Killed Erica
18490 | D:14 | Noticed a six-headed hydra
18501 | D:14 | Killed a six-headed hydra
18501 | D:14 | Reached skill level 10 in Transmutations
18641 | D:14 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
18646 | D:14 | Killed an eight-headed hydra
18661 | D:14 | Noticed a runed long sword
18666 | D:14 | Killed a runed long sword
18669 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults.
18670 | D:14 | Noticed a runed long sword
18673 | D:14 | Killed a runed long sword
18801 | D:14 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
19186 | D:14 | Noticed a centaur warrior
19196 | D:14 | Noticed a skeletal warrior
19220 | D:14 | Killed a skeletal warrior
19239 | D:14 | Killed a centaur warrior
19239 | D:14 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry]
19239 | D:14 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 66/101 MP: 27/27
19250 | D:14 | Noticed a centaur warrior
19256 | D:14 | Killed a centaur warrior
19502 | D:14 | Noticed a centaur warrior
19511 | D:14 | Killed a centaur warrior
19518 | D:14 | Paralysed by a wizard for 3 turns
19518 | D:14 | Killed a wizard
19584 | D:14 | Got a smoking short sword
19585 | D:14 | Identified the +10,+9 short sword of the Evening {antimagic, +Rage rF+ Str-3 Dex+1 Int+1} (You took it off a wizard on level 14 of the Dungeon)
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed | 133 | 208 | 593 | 965 | 18 || 1917
Cast: Stoneskin | | | | 6 | || 6
Invok: Minor Destruction | | | 56 | 78 | 8 || 142
Major Destruction | | | | 4 | || 4
Lesser Servant of | | | | 4 | || 4
Greater Servant o | | | | 3 | || 3
Evoke: Wand | | 5 | 15 | 43 | 1 || 64
Deck | | | | 4 | || 4
Use: Potion | | 1 | 10 | 8 | || 19
Scroll | | 12 | 8 | 9 | 1 || 30
Stab: Sleeping | 5 | 1 | 4 | 2 | || 12
Distracted | | 1 | 3 | 5 | || 9
Apologies if i'm supposed to use something other than spoiler to hide the text - i haven't dumped a character on here in a long time, possibly ever, and i likewise just started playing crawl again.
Anyways, two future reference questions and one "here and now" question:
1. What gods are ideal for a DsMo? I grabbed Makhleb because of the HP regen, summons and bolts-on-command. However, there were at least a few other gods that caught my eye: Fedhas (tons of summons), Kiku (necromancy to hopefully build into necromutation for the late-game; since i've only ever made it to the late game once, though, that might not be smart thinking) and Dithmenos (unarmed strikes require light armor anyway, stealthy UUC sneak attacks could be good but i'm not sure?)
2. Skill Training: how important is it to focus UUC? Traditionally, i've been training it and fighting simultaneously, focusing other skills as wanted (the transmutation investment in this game is because i have the chance to get statue form, which i've heard is ridiculously powerful).
3. I just found a +10/+9 randart short sword on the body of a wizard; among other things, it's antimagic. While i'm probably not going to start using it as my main weapon due to the low damage, should i start training short swords anyway, and using it on areas i'm expecting to find a lot of spellcasters in (e.g. the elven halls)?
Thanks.
Last edited by PostmodernBrony on Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 19:16, edited 1 time in total.
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