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Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 21:50
by Rogar
I love trolls and I love using spells. I rarely get runes and have never won. I want to know if using a troll as a hybrid melee/spellcaster can win the game.
My typical "build" for this is to level up unarmed combat, dodging, and fighting in that order of priority until about level 10. The early game isn't hard because being able to (unreliably) use level 1 and 2 spells as a beastly troll gives me most of what I need to survive to the bottom of the Lair and/or Orcish Mines. Depending on what class I go with, I usually follow Vehumet, Sif Muna, or Kiq. Around level 10 is when I start the transition into more serious spellcasting. During this period I feel somewhat vulnerable because playing around against harder enemies with mid level spells can waste one turn too many when their rate of failure is above 15%.
None of this information accounts for other issues with my game. I have plenty of stupid deaths that have nothing to do with the character and everything to do with poor decision making. I still misjudge situations regularly.
My question is this:
Am I doing something unworkable or am I just doing it wrong? What is the easiest way to make a troll that relies on spells work?
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 21:56
by tasonir
Chei is a possibility. Statue form is another. Mixing these can be dangerous unless you're an extremely careful player.
I'd probably recommend going sif, focusing on playing as a monk pre-temple, and only after you get sif, start training magic skills for piety. If you can get up to a few book gifts or find lucky book drops, you can start to get spells that you want. I'd probably try to stick to earth if you can, stone arrow/iron shot/LRD can take care of most anything in the game, and isn't much of an investment. You can also get statue form and haste.
It will be simplier to just go pure monk of course, but if you wanted to go magic, sif/haste/statue/ironshot/LRD is probably the least amount of experience needed to cover any threat in the game. You don't have to go earth, of course. Sif will protect you from your 35% fail miscasts, but the real solution is to just keep training the spells until you don't have miscasts, which yes is slower on a troll. Earth is only -1 at least.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 22:01
by Siegurt
It's likely your problems are in the specifics of what you're trying to do, rather than the generalities of your plan.
Troll spellcasters are certainly viable, what works best is to start with some UC, because troll claws are pretty much better than any other offense you can have as a troll, then grab some defense (this is a step that most people forget, because troll claws tear things to shreds so quickly that you think the game is made of tissue paper, until you just sort of lose all your hps and die) things that help you *not die* are a priority at this stage, getting some low-level defensive spells is a good idea, as long as you aren't *not using regular defenses* like fighting and dodging and shields. If it doesn't help you not-die in the immediate or very-short-term then you should ignore it.
If you can pick up some decent spells that actually *help* your "not dying" plan then you should do so, if they aren't available, continue to increase your other not-dying abilities. If you are like, trying to use conjurations with the aim of ditching your claws,then you should not do that, because troll claws are where it is *at* damage wise and using an inferior source of damage that costs a bunch of XP is just silly..
However not-dying is also largely influenced by using proper tactics, and no amount of proper skill-training will help with that.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 22:25
by tabstorm
Here are the spells that a troll spellcaster should use:
rmsl
swift
apport
butterflies
blink
regen
etc.
If you insist on using higher level spells to deal damage, I would probably just use vehumet or ash to save experience as best you can and use earth magic since you have the least bad aptitude in it. But playing this kind of character is just an exercise in torturing yourself - why would you do it?
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 22:41
by rchandra
Shadow Creatures and lesser summons can be good, too.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 23:41
by tasonir
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-1110-g1e9b520 (webtiles) character file.
tasonir the Grappler (Troll Monk) Turns: 12168, Time: 01:06:32
HP 85/110 AC 8 Str 22 XL: 12 Next: 37%
MP 19/19 EV 11 Int 10 God: Sif Muna [******]
Gold 297 SH 25 Dex 16 Spells: 5 memorised, 2 levels left
rFire + . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed
rCold + + . Clarity . d - +1 robe of the Hart {rElec rC+ Dex+4}
rNeg . . . Conserve . D - +2 shield {rC+}
rPois + rCorr . S - +2 hat {SInv}
rElec + rRot . (no cloak)
SustAb . Spirit . (gloves unavailable)
rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable)
Gourm + Stasis . p - amulet of faith
MR ..... R - ring of poison resistance
L - ring of protection from fire
@: not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2,
saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2
a: Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion
You are on level 10 of the Dungeon.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.
You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 14 of its levels.
You have collected 537 gold pieces.
You have spent 240 gold pieces at shops.
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You can eat rotten meat.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
Skills:
- Level 4.9 Fighting
- Level 2.4 Dodging
- Level 1.1 Stealth
- Level 9.2 Shields
- Level 11.4 Unarmed Combat
- Level 4.3 Spellcasting
- Level 2.7 Conjurations
+ Level 3.3 Charms
- Level 3.3 Summonings
- Level 4.0 Necromancy
- Level 1.8 Transmutations
- Level 4.1 Earth Magic
You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Abjuration Summ #......... 21% 3 ###....
b - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth #..... 17% 3 ###....
c - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth #......... 12% 2 ##.....
d - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #......... 17% 3 ###....
e - Haste Chrm #....... 100% 6 #######
Inventory:
Hand weapons
c - a +2 blowgun
Missiles
g - 5 curare-tipped needles
v - 5 throwing nets
E - 5 javelins (quivered)
Armour
d - the +1 robe of the Hart (worn) {rElec rC+ Dex+4}
(You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
It affects your dexterity (+4).
It protects you from cold.
It insulates you from electricity.
D - a +2 shield of cold resistance (worn)
S - a +2 hat of see invisible (worn)
Magical devices
a - a runed bone wand
j - a wand of confusion {zapped: 5}
q - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1}
w - a wand of teleportation
N - a wand of polymorph
Y - a wand of fireball {zapped: 3}
Comestibles
b - 5 meat rations
l - 9 bread rations
r - 4 royal jellies
u - 3 slices of pizza
T - 9 fruits
Scrolls
e - a scroll of recharging
f - 4 scrolls of remove curse
n - a scroll labeled GRYP UPAOLUKE
o - a scroll labeled TWAMMI TUOFEDD
A - a scroll labeled ROLIPN SMOCHI
C - a scroll labeled OFEAKL ANGAGUL
F - 2 scrolls labeled CUGGIVAGOE
O - 3 scrolls labeled XENIONILAUWN
X - a scroll of teleportation
Jewellery
m - an uncursed ring of magical power
p - an amulet of faith (around neck)
t - a blackened peridot amulet
y - an uncursed amulet of warding
J - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
L - a ring of protection from fire (left claw)
R - a ring of poison resistance (right claw)
V - a square crystal amulet
Z - an uncursed ring of see invisible
Potions
h - a potion of heal wounds
i - a potion of agility
k - a potion of restore abilities
s - 2 potions of brilliance
x - a smoky brown potion
B - a potion of might
I - a smoky blue potion
P - a gluggy blue potion
Q - a pink potion
U - an oily red potion
W - a brown potion
Books
z - a book of Summonings
G - a book of Envenomations
H - Sif Muna's Catalogue of Fascination and Aid
(Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon)
Spells Type Level
Infusion Charms 1
Confusing Touch Hexes 1
Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3
Spectral Weapon Hexes/Charms 3
Summon Mana Viper Hexes/Summoning 5
*Haste Charms 6
K - a book of Geomancy
M - Sif Muna's Catalogue of Confrontation and Dark Rituals
(Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon)
Spells Type Level
Flame Tongue Conjuration/Fire 1
Searing Ray Conjuration 2
*Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3
Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4
Haunt Necromancy/Summoning 7
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (10/15) Temple (1/1) D:5 Lair (3/8) D:8
Orc: D:9-12 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6
Spider: Lair:3-6
Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Zin
The Shining One
Shops:
D:6 * D:9 =
Annotations:
D:6 heyboots' ghost, experienced HOFi
D:8 exclusions: oklob plant and oklob sapling
+#
#.#
##..#
#@># ###
#####'##### #..
#.........# ######.###
#.........# #........#
#.........###........#
#........)'(#........#
#.........#......<...#
#.........###.........
.........# #..[...%.#
There are no monsters in sight!
Message History
The centaur is almost dead.
You block the centaur's attack. The centaur misses you.
You barely miss the centaur.
The centaur is almost dead.
You block the centaur's attack.
You scratch the centaur.
The centaur is almost dead.
The jackal bites you. You block the centaur's attack.
You mangle the centaur!!
You kill the centaur!
The jackal barely misses you. You block the jackal's attack.
You mangle the jackal!!
You kill the jackal!
You block the jackal's attack.
You claw the jackal!
You kill the jackal!
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
Things that are here:
an uncursed shortbow; 9 arrows; a jackal corpse
a - a runed bone wand
You open the door.
Found an escape hatch in the floor.
There is an open door here.
Your pack is full.
You see here a beef jerky.
You can't carry that many items.
Drop what? (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed | 131 | 116 | 507 | 912 || 1666
Fire: Blowgun | | | | 7 || 7
Throw: Tomahawk | | | 5 | || 5
Javelin | | | 24 | 21 || 45
Throwing net | | | | 2 || 2
Cast: Stoneskin | | | | 4 || 4
Regeneration | | | | 2 || 2
Evoke: Wand | | 2 | 7 | 9 || 18
Use: Scroll | 4 | | 5 | 9 || 18
Potion | | | 8 | 4 || 12
Stab: Sleeping | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 || 6
Distracted | | | 1 | 1 || 2
Invisible | | | 2 | 1 || 3
Notes
Turn | Place | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
0 | D:1 | tasonir, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 22/22 MP: 1/1
140 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/29 MP: 1/1
796 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
854 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 36/36 MP: 2/2
1599 | D:2 | Noticed Ijyb
1613 | D:2 | Killed Ijyb
1613 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 44/44 MP: 2/2
1767 | D:3 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
1771 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica
1785 | D:3 | Killed Jessica
1785 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
1885 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha
1894 | D:3 | Killed Natasha
1894 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 29/50 MP: 2/2
2322 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha
2331 | D:3 | Killed Natasha
2498 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha
2504 | D:3 | Killed Natasha
2532 | D:4 | Identified a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} (You took it off Natasha on level 3 of the Dungeon)
2628 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
2705 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 59/59 MP: 3/3
2743 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre
2749 | D:4 | Noticed varinn's ghost (average HOFi)
2756 | D:4 | Killed an ogre
2763 | D:4 | Killed varinn's ghost
2763 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
2763 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 23/66 MP: 3/3
3000 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
3155 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
3365 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
3370 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
3534 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Abjuration
3595 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder
3595 | Temple | Acquired Sif Muna's first power
3595 | Temple | Acquired Sif Muna's second power
3722 | D:6 | Noticed Prince Ribbit
3893 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
3976 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 74/74 MP: 6/6
3983 | D:6 | Noticed Edmund
4007 | D:6 | Killed Edmund
4007 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
4166 | D:6 | Noticed Duvessa
4166 | D:6 | Noticed Dowan
4175 | D:6 | Killed Dowan
4175 | D:6 | Reached skill level 2 in Spellcasting
4175 | D:6 | Reached skill level 2 in Summonings
4181 | D:6 | Killed Duvessa
4269 | D:6 | Killed Prince Ribbit
4359 | D:6 | Noticed heyboots' ghost (experienced HOFi)
4662 | D:6 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
4674 | D:6 | Reached skill level 3 in Summonings
4712 | D:6 | Found Zin's Purification Station.
4712 | D:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
5061 | D:7 | Reached skill level 2 in Shields
5087 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
5221 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 80/80 MP: 11/11
5468 | D:8 | Reached skill level 3 in Shields
5489 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
5777 | D:8 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
5790 | D:8 | Reached skill level 4 in Shields
5889 | D:8 | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow
5892 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin
5935 | D:8 | Noticed an oklob plant
5981 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
6126 | D:8 | HP: 12/80 [vampire mosquito (5)]
6132 | D:8 | HP: 3/80 [vampire mosquito (12)]
6140 | D:8 | HP: 12/80 [vampire mosquito (12)]
6324 | D:8 | Reached skill level 6 in Shields
6612 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 59/88 MP: 12/12
6631 | D:8 | Reached skill level 7 in Shields
6879 | D:9 | HP: 6/88 [orc priest/divine providence (14)]
6889 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
7300 | D:9 | Reached skill level 8 in Shields
7479 | D:9 | Reached skill level 3 in Spellcasting
7599 | D:8 | Acquired Sif Muna's third power
7651 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
7651 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
7777 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair.
7806 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant
7820 | D:8 | Killed a hill giant
7820 | D:8 | Reached skill level 2 in Earth Magic
8304 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations
8335 | D:9 | Found Unifai's Jewellery Shoppe.
8338 | D:9 | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 240 gold pieces
8407 | D:9 | Reached skill level 3 in Earth Magic
8434 | D:9 | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting
8477 | D:9 | Reached skill level 2 in Conjurations
8487 | D:9 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 42/94 MP: 17/17
8816 | D:9 | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic
8933 | D:9 | Received a gift from Sif Muna
8937 | D:9 | Identified Sif Muna's Catalogue of Confrontation and Dark Rituals (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon)
8943 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
9410 | D:8 | Reached skill level 3 in Fighting
9511 | D:9 | Noticed a six-headed hydra
9779 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
9779 | Lair:1 | Noticed Gastronok
10002 | Lair:1 | Killed Gastronok
10002 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
10029 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
10037 | Lair:1 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
10037 | Lair:1 | Noticed a six-headed hydra
10275 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 9 in Shields
10466 | Lair:2 | HP: 14/101 [blink frog (7)]
10476 | Lair:2 | HP: 7/101 [blink frog (16)]
10681 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
10690 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 66/110 MP: 19/19
10729 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
11222 | Lair:1 | Noticed Joseph
11227 | Lair:1 | Killed Joseph
11227 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 2 in Necromancy
11407 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 2 in Charms
11414 | Lair:3 | Noticed a four-headed hydra
11556 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 3 in Necromancy
11805 | D:10 | Noticed an unseen horror
11815 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror
11968 | D:10 | Got a smoking robe
11974 | D:10 | Identified the +1 robe of the Hart {rElec rC+ Dex+4} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
12031 | D:10 | Reached skill level 3 in Charms
12117 | D:10 | Received a gift from Sif Muna
12124 | D:10 | Reached skill level 4 in Necromancy
12127 | D:10 | Identified Sif Muna's Catalogue of Fascination and Aid (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon)
12135 | D:10 | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste
Vanquished Creatures
Gastronok (Lair:1)
An unseen horror (D:10)
A hill giant (D:8)
Joseph (Lair:1)
5 elephants (Lair:2)
2 black mambas
2 spiny frogs (Lair:1)
A queen ant (D:9)
A fire drake (Lair:2)
3 komodo dragons
A troll (D:9)
The ghost of varinn the Cudgeler, an average HOFi (D:4)
Prince Ribbit (D:6)
A two-headed ogre (D:8)
A spriggan (D:7)
4 blink frogs (Lair:2)
A wyvern (D:8)
A hill giant zombie (D:8)
11 yaks
A deep elf fighter (D:8)
Edmund (D:6)
A hippogriff (D:10)
2 vampire mosquitoes (D:8)
12 soldier ants (D:9)
2 swamp drakes (D:8)
An ice beast (D:7)
5 orc warriors
3 water moccasins (Lair:2)
3 sky beasts
A porcupine (Lair:2)
4 phantoms
4 centaurs
7 ogres
6 crocodiles
Duvessa (D:6)
3 giant frogs
A giant slug (Lair:2)
A big kobold (D:8)
6 gnoll sergeants (D:8)
3 scorpions
4 killer bees
A wandering mushroom (D:9)
2 goliath beetles
2 crimson imps
Dowan (D:6)
2 quasits
6 big fish
10 hounds
4 orc wizards
A centaur skeleton (D:5)
An iron imp (D:3)
3 gnoll shamans (D:8)
6 orc priests
3 iguanas
Natasha (thrice) (D:3)
40 worker ants
Ijyb (D:2)
Jessica (D:3)
6 sheep (Lair:2)
A hound zombie (D:8)
33 gnolls
An orc zombie (D:8)
18 adders
3 green rats
A worm zombie (D:8)
A shadow imp (D:8)
A giant mite (D:8)
8 worms
3 orc skeletons
An ooze (D:2)
24 orcs
9 ball pythons
4 giant cockroaches
9 hobgoblins
27 kobolds
5 quokkas
36 bats
3 giant geckos
8 giant newts
13 goblins
A goblin skeleton (D:4)
19 jackals
26 rats
5 ballistomycetes (D:9)
A fungus (D:8)
466 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (others)
A giant frog (Lair:2)
An orc (D:8)
A kobold (D:8)
A giant spore (D:9)
A fungus (Lair:1)
A plant (Lair:1)
6 creatures vanquished.
Grand Total: 472 creatures vanquished
Here's an example of a troll of sif muna, at roughly the middle of lair, although I fled lair because I'm not yet comfortable fighting hydras with no large rocks or AC. Have quite a good bit of spells due to some lucky book drops, and got a lot of sif piety because of an amulet of faith, so no real complaints. It is a bit awkward getting spells this early on, your physical skills are a bit low, and I can't really train much dodging, but hey, you asked. A pure fighter troll is easier.
Sif already gifted me regen and haste, although it'll take a bit to get haste online.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Wednesday, 28th May 2014, 23:48
by and into
It is hard to give specific advice without knowing which background you are going for, or (even more basically) what you mean by "troll spellcaster."
Trolls starting with books are really good, but only if you use spellcasting to support what Trolls do well and shore up their weaknesses, and if you don't rush the spellcasting (or you'll keep your other skills too low).
If you are trying to kill stuff primarily with spells on a Troll early on, then yes that's an intentional challenge and just inviting frustration, as tabstorm says. So long as you aren't doing that, though, a number of book backgrounds are really good starts for trolls. You just need to be willing to countenance somewhat higher spell failure chances than you might be accustomed to when, say, playing an elf (of either elevation), and you may struggle to make good use of spells that really want high spell power.
In general, you should start by training unarmed combat, and unarmed combat alone, and killing stuff with your claws. Keep doing that until UC is around 6. Then focus on getting one or two low level spells from your spell book online. Then more unarmed combat, and defenses. Later on you can pick up more spells from your book, but don't neglect your core skills, UC, fighting, dodging. Keep your spell training focused as much as possible, only picking up new stuff when you are sure you have good enough defenses and UC for your point in the game.
Lots of spells are still pretty good without high spell power/success. A number of those were already mentioned. As far as starting books go, some spells that can be quite (surprisingly, even) effective without that much training and with only poor-to-mediocre spell power include the following:
call imp
repel missiles
ozocubu's armour
summon ice beast
conjure flame
sticky flame
mephitic cloud
dazzling spray
spider form
animate skeleton/dead
regeneration
Some other spells (like Vampiric Draining) do benefit a lot from having good spell power, but since they are single school of the primary type that you start with, that's not such a big deal.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Thursday, 29th May 2014, 06:11
by Siegurt
Also troll warpers are really quite good (Shield of Golubria, while not stellar defensively, is better than nothing when you need *something* and portal projectile with large rocks (and blowgun needles) is the bomb, blink lets you get out of trouble (or at least get some space so you can regen hps) and you start with not-abyssmal int, which is very helpful for casting spells.
I wish there was a book start that came with confusing touch, that would be lots of excellent.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Thursday, 29th May 2014, 07:53
by Hopeless
Siegurt wrote:Also troll warpers are really quite good (Shield of Golubria, while not stellar defensively, is better than nothing when you need *something* and portal projectile with large rocks (and blowgun needles) is the bomb, blink lets you get out of trouble (or at least get some space so you can regen hps) and you start with not-abyssmal int, which is very helpful for casting spells.
I wish there was a book start that came with confusing touch, that would be lots of excellent.
Do you mean Shroud?
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Thursday, 29th May 2014, 08:32
by Siegurt
Yes. I meant shroud.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Thursday, 29th May 2014, 11:00
by Rogar
and into wrote:It is hard to give specific advice without knowing which background you are going for, or (even more basically) what you mean by "troll spellcaster."
It was a lot easier when I could throw exploding potions, but transmuter is my most common class for a troll. What I do from there depends on what I find in the dungeon. If I find a book/item with blink, I'll feel comfortable worshiping Vehumet to give me some ranged damage. Jiyva, Nemelex, or Xom are gods I would instantly choose if found super early. What I mean by troll spellcaster is a troll that uses and relies on spells throughout the game. I don't always do the same thing, so I tried to give a general description of the common elements in my troll game, looking for advice and new ideas that I wouldn't have come up with on my own. I found your response to be among the most helpful in terms of guiding me to look at my game in a new light, and I thank you for that.
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Friday, 30th May 2014, 11:38
by cerebovssquire
So you are training at least 2 spell schools that need rather high skill (transmutations/conjurations)? That might be where your problems are coming from. You can focus on conjurations well enough as a troll of vehumet so picking a conjurations-based book background makes sense.
If you want ranged damage on a transmuter start, I think Makhleb or Qazlal* would be more suitable. They both do a lot more than just give you ranged damage and are less skill-intensive.
I wrote a lengthy guide for troll conjurers last year - it refers to the old conjurer book so it isn't really a Cj guide anymore, but maybe there are still some tips in there that are useful.
link A lot of it is applicable Wizard, which also starts with higher INT for what it's worth.
A few things that are wrong/questionable in that guide: how much armour to train (I would train some armour in mottled dragon armour these days), that you shouldn't move during combat with chei (you should in many circumstances, just don't forget that you are twice as slow), Vehumet has been updated to gift at lower piety.
TrTm doesn't sound like a great start in general. Spider Form is pretty useful, but Blade Hands is too exp-intensive to be useful early on. Also, one of the reasons Tm is good is that Book of Changes compensates quite well for low UC damage at low/medium levels for species without claws. That doesn't apply to Tr.
(*only available if you are playing trunk builds, not stable .14 - not as good as Makhleb anyway)
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Friday, 30th May 2014, 12:47
by Konedar
TrTm of Chei was my first win (back in 0.9 I think), but it was a much stronger in that time, I don't think that TrTm is a very good choice now.
TrFi of Chei would be my advice, if you dont mind Chei obviously. UC and shield early on, + large rocks. All you have to do is decide wheter a tough situation needs just a consumable or a tele. Midgame you can start to train magic (likely after reaching at least UC 15 and shield 9 and fighting 10). With Chei you can afford to wear even a medium armor FDA, IDA or PDA.
If you want to be a real caster from the begin I would pick TrWz, focus UC as usual and then get mephitic cloud to a castable level (20-30% fail). Most other spells from your starting book are very useful (as already listed also by "and into") If you plan on doing most dmg from spells Vehumet is clearly the way to go. There is also a slightly outdated guide on the wiki, it's for TrCj but it now fits better to TrWz.
Beware that when mephitic cloud starts to be less effective you'll be far from overpowered...
Edit: Ok I see that CerebovSquire has "ninjed" me
Re: Troll Spellcaster Problem
Posted:
Friday, 30th May 2014, 19:35
by archaeo
Personally, I had a lot of fun with TrWz^Chei, so here's that morgue as an example:
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-2-gd2dacb9 (tiles) character file.
2770703 Easy the Wrestler (level 27, 266/266 HPs)
Began as a Troll Wizard on May 15, 2014.
Was the Champion of Cheibriados.
Escaped with the Orb
... and 5 runes on May 17, 2014!
The game lasted 08:02:23 (92703 turns).
Easy the Wrestler (Troll Wizard) Turns: 92703, Time: 08:02:23
HP 266/266 AC 35 Str 47 XL: 27
MP 22/34 EV 40 Int 38 God: Cheibriados [******]
Gold 5353 SH 34 Dex 41 Spells: 11 memorised, 1 level left
rFire + . . SeeInvis + - Unarmed
rCold + + . Clarity + x - +9 ice dragon armour
rNeg . . . Conserve + T - +0 shield of Strobowu {rF+}
rPois + rCorr + W - +2 hat {MR+}
rElec + rRot . b - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable)
rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable)
Gourm + Stasis . r - amulet of Night {Clar Dex+5 Int+3}
MR ++++. Q - ring "Frauck" {rElec rF+ Acc+1}
G - ring "Naellud" {rPois MR+ Str+4 Acc+4 SInv}
@: repel missiles, regenerating, stone skin, silence, mighty, brilliant, agile,
flying, shrouded, very slow, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, very
unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, horns 1, talons 1, blink 1, fast metabolism 3,
gourmand, mutation resistance 1, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1,
tough skin 2, wild magic 1
a: Blink
0: Orb of Zot
}: 5/15 runes: barnacled, slimy, silver, abyssal, gossamer
You escaped.
You worshipped Cheibriados.
Cheibriados was exalted by your worship.
You were full.
You visited 13 branches of the dungeon, and saw 68 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You also visited: Trove, Ice Cave and Wizlab.
You collected 9414 gold pieces.
You spent 4061 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
p - a +9 blowgun
Missiles
g - 6 curare-tipped needles
z - 6 large rocks (quivered)
Armour
b - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
x - a +9 ice dragon armour (worn)
T - the +0 shield of Strobowu (worn) {rF+}
(You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
It protects you from fire.
W - a +2 hat of magic resistance (worn)
Magical devices
c - a wand of digging (12)
h - a wand of disintegration (6)
A - a wand of invisibility (6)
S - a wand of heal wounds (7)
X - a wand of heal wounds (7)
Comestibles
d - 22 meat rations
C - 4 bread rations
Scrolls
j - 8 scrolls of blinking
q - 4 scrolls of fear
y - a scroll of amnesia
D - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
F - 6 scrolls of remove curse
H - a scroll of silence
K - a scroll of recharging
N - 2 scrolls of fog
V - 10 scrolls of identify
Z - a scroll of holy word
Jewellery
e - an uncursed ring of positive energy
m - the ring of Devotion {Hunger- +Blink Dam+4}
(You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
[ring of sustenance]
It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
It lets you blink.
n - the ring of Zess {rF+ Int+3}
(You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
[ring of intelligence]
It affects your intelligence (+3).
It protects you from fire.
o - an uncursed ring of teleportation
r - the amulet of Night (around neck) {Clar Dex+5 Int+3}
(You found it in a treasure trove)
[amulet of clarity]
It affects your intelligence (+3).
It affects your dexterity (+5).
s - the amulet of Zoreph {Stasis Str+3}
(You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
[amulet of stasis]
It affects your strength (+3).
u - the ring of Henotheism {Hunger- rN+ Int-3 Acc+6}
(You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)
[ring of sustenance]
It affects your intelligence (-3).
It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+6).
It protects you from negative energy.
G - the ring "Naellud" (left claw) {rPois MR+ Str+4 Acc+4 SInv}
(You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
[ring of strength]
It affects your strength (+4).
It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
It protects you from poison.
It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
It enhances your eyesight.
I - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
M - an uncursed ring of wizardry
Q - the ring "Frauck" (right claw) {rElec rF+ Acc+1}
(You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
[ring of protection from fire]
It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+1).
It insulates you from electricity.
Potions
k - a potion of flight
l - 3 potions of magic
v - 3 potions of restore abilities
w - 3 potions of brilliance
E - 5 potions of heal wounds
L - 4 potions of agility
P - 2 potions of resistance
U - 12 potions of curing
Magical staves
i - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Miscellaneous
a - a phial of floods (inert)
t - a fan of gales (inert)
B - a legendary deck of defence {Warpwright}
R - a fan of gales (inert)
Rods
f - a +9 rod of ignition (17/17)
(You took it off an orc priest on level 9 of the Dungeon)
Y - a +7 rod of the swarm (13/13)
(You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)
Skills:
+ Level 14.4 Fighting
- Level 9.5 Throwing
+ Level 13.8 Armour
+ Level 20.3 Dodging
- Level 1.1 Stealth
- Level 9.6 Shields
+ Level 26.8 Unarmed Combat
- Level 3.9 Spellcasting
Level 0.6 Conjurations
- Level 13.0 Hexes
- Level 0.6 Summonings
- Level 3.0 Necromancy
- Level 12.9 Translocations
- Level 1.1 Transmutations
- Level 2.4 Air Magic
- Level 4.0 Earth Magic
- Level 12.3 Invocations
- Level 11.2 Evocations
You had one spell level left.
You knew the following spells:
Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger
a - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc #######... 1% 4 ###....
b - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None
c - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ###### 1% 2 None
d - Silence Hex/Air #######... 1% 5 #####..
e - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc #######... 1% 2 None
f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ######.... 1% 3 #......
g - Cause Fear Hex ########.. 1% 4 ###....
h - Enslavement Hex ######## 1% 4 ###....
i - Apportation Tloc ########.. 1% 1 None
j - Abjuration Summ ######.... 2% 3 #......
k - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth ######.... 1% 2 None
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (4/4) D:12
Elf (3/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:9 Shoals (5/5) Lair:4
Spider (5/5) Lair:5 Slime (6/6) Lair:6 Vaults (5/5) D:14
Blade (0/1) Vaults:4 Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3 Tomb (1/3) Crypt:3
Zot (5/5) Depths:5 Depths (5/5) D:15
Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Lugonu
Shops:
D:14 [ D:15 * Orc:1 : Orc:4 *==[} Elf:1 * Elf:2 * Vaults:1 % Vaults:2 ?
Vaults:3 ( Vaults:4 : Depths:3 [}[[%
Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Depths:5
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4
Ziggurat: Depths:3
Annotations:
Shoals:2 exclusion: oklob plant
Spider:5 Mara
Depths:2 exclusion: door
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You can eat rotten meat.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
You have a pair of small horns on your head.
You have sharp toenails.
You can translocate small distances at will.
You are somewhat resistant to further mutation.
Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful.
Message History
A profound silence engulfs you.
An air elemental merges itself into the air. x3
An air elemental forms itself from the air!
Your air elemental hits the infernal demonspawn.
Your water elemental hits the infernal demonspawn.
Your water elemental hits the infernal demonspawn!
The infernal demonspawn dies!
An air elemental forms itself from the air!
You cannot cast spells when silenced!
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
You swap places.
You swap places.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Your air elemental disappears in a puff of smoke!
You have escaped!
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You could see 2 friendly water elementals and 3 friendly air elementals.
Vanquished Creatures
the royal jelly (Slime:6)
4 orbs of fire
6 ancient liches
Saint Roka (Shoals:5)
Boris (Crypt:3)
3 curse toes
Sojobo (Crypt:3)
A Killer Klown (Zot:5)
Mennas (Vaults:4)
10 golden dragons
Jory (Vaults:2)
the Enchantress (Depths:5)
7 bone dragons
3 electric golems
Arachne (Spider:2)
A Hellbinder (WizLab)
25 Orb Guardians
A pandemonium lord (D:15)
19 tentacled monstrosities
7 titans
A deep elf blademaster (Elf:3)
2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3)
An Executioner (D:14)
3 tentacled starspawn
5 quicksilver dragons
11 storm dragons
5 sphinxes
Polyphemus (Shoals:2)
15 liches
14 acid blobs
7 shadow dragons
8 ancient champions
11 tengu reavers
2 revenants
Roxanne (Spider:3)
8 draconian monks
Ilsuiw (Shoals:5)
14 azure jellies
6 ghost moths
3 ghouls
A balrug (Depths:2)
22 frost giants
2 draconian knights
9 deep elf sorcerers
A draconian scorcher (Zot:2)
Aizul (Vaults:1)
4 iron dragons (Depths:5)
10 vault wardens
4 draconian zealots
12 fire giants
11 emperor scorpions
Gastronok (Lair:1)
An angel (Abyss:3)
2 cacodemons
2 war gargoyles
3 reapers
7 draconian annihilators
7 spriggan defenders
23 stone giants
13 deep elf demonologists
3 draconian shifters
2 ophanim (Abyss:3)
11 grey draconians
3 draconian callers
4 green draconians
4 vampire knights
11 white draconians
A dire elephant (shapeshifter) (Depths:5)
6 mottled draconians
8 pale draconians
5 red draconians
3 curse skulls
12 deep elf annihilators
6 purple draconians
9 black draconians
4 yellow draconians
A lorocyproca (Abyss:2)
8 dire elephants
A yellow draconian (shapeshifter) (Depths:5)
17 ettins
2 green deaths
5 merfolk javelineers
9 eidola
3 blizzard demons
Snorg (Orc:1)
6 death oozes
6 minotaurs
A mummy priest (Crypt:3)
2 crystal guardians
13 jiangshi
5 sirens
A spectral tengu (Crypt:3)
6 deep elf death magi
23 fire dragons
14 large abominations
16 merfolk impalers
30 vault guards
Josephine (D:10)
11 deep elf high priests
A death cob (Zot:3)
18 yaktaur captains
Fannar (Lair:2)
17 ironheart preservers
3 dancing weapons
4 great orbs of eyes
5 spriggan air magi
23 ice dragons
3 hydras
6 rakshasas
A quicksilver dragon skeleton (Depths:2)
A monstrous demonspawn (Depths:4)
An alligator snapping turtle (Shoals:5)
A ravenous item mimic (Vaults:5)
A deep dwarf death knight (Crypt:1)
A spectral stone giant (Depths:2)
A ravenous feature mimic (Lair:8)
A tengu warrior (Depths:2)
2 satyrs (Shoals:5)
6 plague shamblers
20 ogre magi
54 death yaks
11 deep troll shamans
7 thrashing horrors
10 deep troll earth magi
5 merfolk aquamancers
A satyr (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
11 centaur warriors
4 spriggan berserkers
2 spectral elves
5 vampire magi
7 catoblepae
8 orc high priests
6 sun demons
5 shadow wraiths
4 soul eaters
12 iron trolls
5 wretched stars
2 titan skeletons (Depths:2)
14 very ugly things
24 hell knights
22 deep elf knights
Erolcha (Orc:4)
53 skeletal warriors
3 ice devils
An orb spider (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
2 fire crabs
2 golden dragon zombies
13 sea snakes
2 cherubim (Abyss:3)
15 deep elf summoners
2 storm dragon skeletons
A deep troll (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
21 orb spiders
A sea snake (shapeshifter) (Abyss:2)
5 giant orange brains
16 flayed ghosts
33 deep trolls
2 flaming corpses
An ice statue (IceCv)
A tengu zombie (Vaults:5)
3 infernal demonspawn
A shadow demon (D:7)
4 water nymphs
2 shadow dragon zombies
A lindwurm (Lair:3)
9 hill giants
12 deep elf conjurers
A quicksilver dragon simulacrum (Crypt:3)
A putrid demonspawn (D:1)
11 harpies
3 golden dragon skeletons (Depths:2)
13 wizards
20 necromancers
18 orc knights
13 ironbrand convokers
An oklob plant (Lair:7)
3 sphinx zombies
7 unseen horrors
5 orc sorcerers
36 wolf spiders
4 shadow dragon skeletons
3 tengu skeletons
A torturous demonspawn (Depths:4)
A frost giant zombie (Crypt:2)
19 moths of wrath
12 red wasps
7 fauns
12 griffons
2 fire giant zombies (Crypt:3)
A cyclops (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
3 sixfirhies
11 phantasmal warriors
A spectral shock serpent (Crypt:3)
16 vault sentinels
11 shining eyes
2 hell beasts (WizLab)
A moth of wrath (shapeshifter) (Elf:1)
2 stone giant skeletons
A very ugly thing skeleton (Crypt:5)
19 cyclopes
2 iron dragon skeletons
A drowned soul (Shoals:5)
10 elephants
5 smoke demons
15 manticores
A manticore (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
4 frost giant skeletons
3 fire giant skeletons (Depths:2)
2 apocalypse crabs
A worldbinder (Abyss:2)
5 black mambas
10 mermaids
A mermaid (shapeshifter) (Elf:3)
A naga mage (Depths:2)
3 orange demons
4 eyes of devastation
2 gargoyles
A shock serpent skeleton (Crypt:3)
9 spiny frogs
A dire elephant skeleton (Depths:1)
3 yaktaur zombies
Psyche (D:8)
A mottled draconian zombie (Crypt:1)
2 pale draconian zombies (Crypt:3)
An emperor scorpion zombie (Crypt:1)
A feature mimic (D:14)
3 centaur zombies
2 ancient zymes
17 demonic crawlers
A spectral catoblepas (Crypt:3)
44 yaktaurs
6 kobold demonologists
13 small abominations
5 tengu conjurers
2 pale draconian skeletons
5 fire drakes
An efreet (D:13)
2 hellwings
2 silent spectres
4 guardian mummies (Crypt:3)
A giant firefly (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
44 merfolk
A spectral human (Vaults:5)
6 spriggan skeletons
A jumping spider (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
8 komodo dragons
A death drake zombie (Crypt:2)
A polar bear (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
19 boggarts
16 deep elf priests
A sphinx simulacrum (Vaults:3)
A troll (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
6 giant fireflies
A hydra zombie (Crypt:2)
12 freezing wraiths
3 iron devils
10 trolls
5 red devils
32 jumping spiders
2 blue devils (WizLab)
A wind drake (shapeshifter) (Depths:5)
7 boulder beetles
2 wind drakes (Shoals:5)
Prince Ribbit (Orc:1)
A fire dragon zombie (Crypt:1)
A harpy skeleton (Crypt:3)
3 ettin zombies
84 slime creatures
37 two-headed ogres
A trapdoor spider zombie (Crypt:2)
20 polar bears (IceCv)
13 blink frogs
A spectral manticore (Crypt:3)
14 snapping turtles
3 bog bodies (Crypt:2)
6 ravens
A brown ooze (shapeshifter) (Elf:1)
A grizzly bear (Lair:8)
An iron dragon simulacrum (Abyss:3)
8 raiju
2 spriggans (Depths:5)
5 air elementals
3 ynoxinuls
A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Depths:4)
36 flying skulls
A griffon zombie (D:10)
2 ettin skeletons
12 vampires
2 tarantellas (shapeshifter)
27 tarantellas
10 trapdoor spiders
36 deep elf magi
36 brown oozes
A formicid (shapeshifter) (Depths:4)
A redback (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
2 fire bats (Abyss:2)
4 starcursed masses (Abyss:3)
11 wraiths
3 fire dragon skeletons
53 ugly things
6 basilisks
11 water elementals
9 shadows
13 hippogriffs
8 hungry ghosts
19 humans (D:14)
A human (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
33 redbacks
2 wyverns
14 golden eyes
A hog (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
A centaur simulacrum (D:10)
A steam dragon (D:8)
29 deep elf fighters
A wind drake skeleton (Crypt:3)
56 yaks
A plague shambler skeleton (Crypt:1)
29 wolves
18 vampire mosquitoes
7 chaos spawn
2 neqoxecs (Abyss:3)
23 sharks
2 soldier ants
2 soldier ants (shapeshifter)
A wolf (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
12 wargs
7 necrophages
A mottled dragon (Vaults:2)
2 orange crystal statues
12 porcupines
An iron troll simulacrum (Vaults:2)
8 yellow wasps
A torturous demonspawn skeleton (Crypt:2)
9 water moccasins
66 orc warriors
23 spiders
A baby alligator skeleton (Crypt:5)
12 giant goldfish
An ice beast (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
5 black bears
5 ice beasts
2 mermaid zombies (Crypt:4)
4 sky beasts
A black bear (shapeshifter) (D:13)
4 phantoms
A spriggan simulacrum (Depths:2)
A snapping turtle zombie (Crypt:3)
56 ogres
A yellow wasp (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
4 human zombies
17 crocodiles
2 boring beetles (shapeshifter)
32 centaurs
A snapping turtle skeleton (Crypt:5)
Sigmund (D:2)
A lindwurm skeleton (Crypt:1)
3 lava worms (Lair:3)
An octopode zombie (Crypt:4)
A chimera zombie (Crypt:3)
6 big kobolds
A silver statue (Vaults:4)
12 giant slugs
25 giant frogs
3 insubstantial wisps (Abyss:2)
A gnoll sergeant (D:9)
A wyvern zombie (D:14)
11 eyes of draining
2 scorpions
A warg skeleton (Crypt:5)
A manticore simulacrum (D:15)
A shapeshifter zombie (Crypt:4)
A giant goldfish zombie (Crypt:2)
23 killer bees
A polar bear skeleton (Crypt:1)
A pulsating lump (Slime:6)
19 wights
12 electric eels
A hippogriff skeleton (Crypt:4)
2 quasits
9 goliath beetles
9 crimson imps
A human simulacrum (Vaults:2)
18 jellies
5 giant frog zombies
12 hounds
2 elf zombies
3 iron imps (Depths:1)
A formicid zombie (Crypt:5)
Crazy Yiuf (D:7)
5 big fish
58 orc priests
A human skeleton (Abyss:3)
16 iguanas
9 worker ants
2 two-headed ogre zombies
4 elf skeletons
Natasha (D:3)
36 orc wizards
3 orange rats
34 sheep
A boulder beetle simulacrum (Vaults:1)
A demigod zombie (Crypt:4)
A dwarf zombie (Crypt:4)
An ogre zombie (Crypt:1)
A yellow wasp simulacrum (D:10)
Jessica (D:2)
A brain worm zombie (Crypt:1)
2 mottled dragon skeletons
A crocodile skeleton (Crypt:3)
Terence (D:2)
4 mummies
13 gnolls
32 adders
An adder (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
47 green rats
A worm zombie (D:6)
3 white imps
A giant mite (Lair:8)
An inept feature mimic (D:5)
A gnoll simulacrum (D:10)
6 shadow imps
16 worms
A worm (shapeshifter) (Depths:5)
10 ufetubi
2 iguana zombies
An adder skeleton (D:5)
14 giant eyeballs
9 giant geckos
5 oozes
319 orcs
22 bats
A bat zombie (Crypt:2)
6 giant cockroaches
30 hobgoblins
9 quokkas
5 ball pythons
A ball python skeleton (Crypt:3)
5 giant newts
A giant spore (D:11)
13 goblins
3 goblin skeletons
33 jackals
35 kobolds
A kobold (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
A kobold skeleton (D:6)
A kobold zombie (Crypt:2)
2 lava orc zombies
An orc skeleton (D:6)
3 orc zombies
2 quokka skeletons
25 rats
7 ballistomycetes
6 butterflies (Depths:5)
A fungus (Lair:4)
13 plants
4 starspawn tentacles (Abyss:3)
3923 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
A deep elf demonologist (Elf:3)
An ironheart preserver (Vaults:4)
A deep elf high priest (Elf:3)
A deep troll earth mage (Vaults:4)
A merfolk aquamancer (Shoals:5)
A very ugly thing (Depths:2)
3 deep trolls (Vaults:4)
An infernal demonspawn (D:1)
A frost giant skeleton (Vaults:3)
3 guardian mummies (Crypt:3)
A deep elf mage (D:10)
A pulsating lump (Lair:6)
2 mummies
A giant mite (Lair:6)
19 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (others)
3 acid blobs (Slime:6)
7 azure jellies (Slime:6)
A black draconian (Zot:5)
4 death oozes (Slime:6)
2 fire dragons
A tengu warrior (Depths:5)
A very ugly thing (Depths:2)
An unseen horror (Abyss:2)
12 drowned souls
4 water elementals
2 air elementals (Vaults:5)
A golden eye (Abyss:3)
A vampire mosquito (Shoals:5)
A deep elf fighter (Depths:5)
A tengu (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
2 spiders
2 yellow wasps
A naga (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3)
8 lost souls
A big kobold (Depths:2)
2 scorpions (Crypt:3)
14 killer bees
3 goliath beetles
A crimson imp (D:6)
8 worker ants
2 kobolds (Depths:2)
2 giant spores
A lurking horror (Abyss:3)
A bush (D:6)
2 butterflies
14 fungi
8 plants
5 starspawn tentacles
36 starspawn tentacle segments
155 creatures vanquished.
Grand Total: 4097 creatures vanquished
Notes
Turn | Place | Note
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0 | D:1 | Easy, the Troll Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 3/3
87 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat
168 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 24/24 MP: 3/3
602 | D:2 | Noticed Sigmund
651 | D:2 | Noticed Terence
685 | D:2 | Killed Terence
685 | D:2 | Reached skill level 3 in Unarmed Combat
685 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 10/31 MP: 5/5
881 | D:2 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
1130 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/39 MP: 5/5
1142 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
1145 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
1151 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica
1169 | D:2 | Killed Jessica
1216 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat
1715 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/45 MP: 6/6
1726 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
1736 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
1942 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha
1965 | D:3 | Killed Natasha
2378 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 53/53 MP: 7/7
2454 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
2600 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
2649 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
2664 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Cheibriados the Contemplative
3022 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
3141 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
3272 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 53/59 MP: 8/8
3524 | D:5 | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria
3682 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
3922 | D:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
4119 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 67/72 MP: 8/8
4193 | D:6 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
4818 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
4875 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
4965 | D:7 | Acquired Cheibriados' first power
5006 | D:7 | Got a bloodstained great sword
5007 | D:7 | Identified the +7,+2 great sword "Miumeid" {slice, Int+3} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
5024 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
5409 | D:7 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
5415 | D:7 | Killed Crazy Yiuf
5560 | D:8 | Noticed Psyche
5576 | D:8 | Killed Psyche
5576 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
5576 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 83/83 MP: 9/9
5649 | D:8 | Identified a scroll of acquirement
5795 | D:8 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
6047 | D:8 | Acquired Cheibriados' second power
6244 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant
6266 | D:8 | Killed a hill giant
6266 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
6605 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
6735 | D:9 | Acquired Cheibriados' third power
6745 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
6745 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
6747 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 64/94 MP: 10/10
6831 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair.
7135 | D:9 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
7372 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
7634 | Lair:1 | Noticed Gastronok
7723 | Lair:1 | Got an ichor-stained shield
7829 | Lair:1 | Identified the +0 shield of Strobowu {rF+} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
8206 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 60/101 MP: 12/12
8759 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
8925 | Lair:1 | Killed Gastronok
8925 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
8925 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
8925 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
9228 | Lair:2 | Noticed Fannar
9234 | Lair:2 | Killed Fannar
9466 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
10480 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 90/114 MP: 9/16
10951 | Lair:3 | Noticed a lindwurm
11108 | Lair:4 | Noticed a six-headed hydra
11114 | Lair:4 | Killed a seven-headed hydra
11403 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
12113 | Lair:5 | Found a frozen archway.
12127 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave
12320 | IceCv | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
12349 | IceCv | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
12608 | IceCv | Reached XP level 13. HP: 124/124 MP: 20/20
12736 | IceCv | Noticed a frost giant
12871 | IceCv | Killed a frost giant
13683 | Lair:5 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
14361 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
14814 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
14825 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
15056 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic
16134 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 99/135 MP: 22/22
16191 | Lair:7 | Got a pitted blowgun
16192 | Lair:7 | Identified the cursed -2 blowgun "Twirgh Paomp" {speed, Stlth+} (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
16502 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
17311 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
17473 | Lair:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Cause Fear
17855 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
18235 | Lair:8 | Identified Thobbinu's Arcane Secrets of Witchery
18363 | Lair:8 | Identified a +3 rod of the swarm (10/10) (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
18530 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
18804 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 145/145 MP: 25/25
18878 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement
18965 | D:9 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
18998 | D:9 | Identified a +0 rod of ignition (10/10) (You took it off an orc priest on level 9 of the Dungeon)
19268 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
19434 | D:10 | Noticed Josephine
19446 | D:10 | Killed Josephine
19446 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
21680 | Lair:3 | Killed a lindwurm
22575 | D:12 | Got a jewelled longbow {frost}
22575 | D:12 | Got an uncursed polished scythe
22674 | D:12 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
22720 | D:12 | Got a fine hat
22724 | D:12 | Identified the +0 hat of Elyvilon's Hatred {Dex+2 Int+2} (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)
22870 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
22930 | D:12 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
22933 | D:12 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
23627 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
23630 | Orc:1 | Noticed Prince Ribbit
23639 | Orc:1 | Killed Prince Ribbit
24153 | Orc:1 | Noticed Snorg
24158 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
24162 | Orc:1 | Killed Snorg
24487 | Orc:1 | Found Klicuaq's Book Boutique.
24651 | Orc:3 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
25343 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
25699 | Orc:4 | Found Irgho's Gadget Boutique.
26830 | Orc:4 | Noticed Erolcha
26846 | Orc:4 | Killed Erolcha
26940 | Orc:4 | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat
27187 | Orc:4 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 139/158 MP: 25/25
27222 | Orc:4 | Found Grovaud's General Store.
27222 | Orc:4 | Found Riec's Armour Emporium.
27222 | Orc:4 | Found Qeidwaer's Jewellery Emporium.
27224 | Orc:4 | Found Gry Skacs' Jewellery Shoppe.
27235 | Orc:4 | Bought a potion of restore abilities for 36 gold pieces
27243 | Orc:4 | Bought the ring "Naellud" {rPois MR+ Str+4 Acc+4 SInv} for 676 gold pieces
27252 | Orc:4 | Bought an uncursed amulet of clarity for 240 gold pieces
27261 | Orc:4 | Bought the ring "Frauck" {rElec rF+ Acc+1} for 534 gold pieces
27268 | Orc:4 | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 90 gold pieces
27919 | D:13 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
28098 | D:14 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
28183 | D:14 | Found Psaginua's Armour Shoppe.
28379 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults.
28391 | D:14 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 166/166 MP: 26/26
28504 | D:14 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
28810 | D:14 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
29205 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
29735 | D:15 | Found Tywn's General Store.
29788 | D:15 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 54 gold pieces
29788 | D:15 | Bought a scroll of identify for 36 gold pieces
29928 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths.
30587 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
32222 | Spider:2 | Noticed Arachne
32231 | Spider:2 | Killed Arachne
32231 | Spider:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
32231 | Spider:2 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 179/179 MP: 25/28
32950 | Spider:3 | Noticed Roxanne
33369 | Spider:3 | Killed Roxanne
33371 | Spider:3 | Identified Roxanne's Catalogue of the Rocks (You took it off Roxanne on level 3 of the Spider Nest)
34644 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat
34987 | Spider:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Spider Nest
35008 | Spider:5 | Noticed Mara
35012 | Spider:5 | Noticed Easy's illusion
35650 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
36507 | Shoals:2 | Noticed Polyphemus
36520 | Shoals:2 | Killed Polyphemus
36811 | Shoals:2 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
38035 | Shoals:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Shoals
38042 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 187/187 MP: 30/30
38123 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Ilsuiw
38142 | Shoals:5 | Killed Ilsuiw
38344 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Saint Roka
39445 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 17 in Unarmed Combat
40250 | Spider:5 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
40879 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
40979 | Vaults:1 | Noticed Aizul
40995 | Vaults:1 | Killed Aizul
41844 | Vaults:1 | Found Ywnaehil's Food Shoppe.
42305 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 18 in Unarmed Combat
42765 | Vaults:2 | Noticed Jory
42782 | Vaults:2 | Killed Jory
42995 | Vaults:2 | Found Xoloucel's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
43156 | Vaults:2 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 196/196 MP: 31/31
45063 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
45269 | Vaults:3 | Found Wamem's Weapon Shoppe.
46577 | Vaults:4 | Reached skill level 19 in Unarmed Combat
46630 | Vaults:4 | Noticed Mennas
47046 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 133/202 MP: 31/31
47513 | Vaults:4 | Found Gooduuz's Book Shop.
48177 | Orc:4 | Bought a cursed ring of teleportation for 174 gold pieces
48275 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
49061 | Elf:1 | Found Teusa's Assorted Antiques.
49075 | Elf:1 | Bought a scroll labeled RUOTIY XONGEURU for 33 gold pieces
49394 | Elf:2 | Identified Gria's Volume of Plaster Cramp
49401 | Elf:2 | Identified Ts'ui PÍn's Volume of Forking Paths
49713 | Elf:2 | Gained mutation: You have sharp toenails. [potion of beneficial mutation]
49764 | Elf:2 | Identified Vaxullau's Compendium of Dhcmrlchtdj (You found it on level 2 of the Elven Halls)
49947 | Elf:2 | Found Praer's General Store.
49956 | Elf:2 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 211/211 MP: 32/32
50364 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 5 spell: Silence
50711 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
51130 | Elf:3 | Got a ring of the Octopus King
51138 | Elf:3 | Got a brightly glowing bronze ring
51140 | Elf:3 | Identified the ring of Devotion {Hunger- +Blink Dam+4} (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
51141 | Elf:3 | Identified a ring of the Octopus King {SustAb AC+1 EV+1 Str+1 Dex+1 Int+1} (You took it off a deep elf fighter on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
51143 | Elf:3 | Identified a +2 rod of ignition (14/14) (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
51364 | Elf:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes
51620 | Elf:3 | Got a transparent graven amulet
51836 | Elf:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
51942 | Elf:3 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation
51991 | Elf:3 | Identified Qoor's Guide on the Compass (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
52010 | Elf:3 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
52403 | Lair:1 | Identified the amulet "Plorunyg" {Faith rF+ Dam-4} (You took it off a deep elf demonologist on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
52631 | Shoals:5 | Killed Saint Roka
53393 | Shoals:5 | Reached XP level 23. HP: 160/219 MP: 32/32
53653 | Shoals:5 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
54405 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
55176 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to Hell.
55305 | Depths:1 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
55305 | Depths:1 | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
55620 | Depths:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
56685 | Depths:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations
57558 | Depths:2 | Identified a +2 rod of shadows (2/12) (You took it off a spriggan berserker on level 2 of the Depths)
57740 | Depths:2 | Got an ancient golden ring
57741 | Depths:2 | Identified the cursed ring of Tyganwe {EV-2 Dex+2 Int+3} (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)
59080 | Depths:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
59080 | Depths:2 | Noticed an ancient lich
59098 | Depths:2 | Killed an ancient lich
59098 | Depths:2 | Reached XP level 24. HP: 188/228 MP: 29/33
59102 | Depths:2 | Identified the Tome of Conjuration and Air
59345 | Depths:3 | Found Deyqyof's Antique Armour Emporium.
59346 | Depths:3 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
59480 | Depths:3 | Found a magical portal.
59496 | WizLab | Entered a wizard's laboratory
59992 | WizLab | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
60014 | WizLab | Identified the Compendium of Creative Confrontation (You found it in a wizard's laboratory)
60018 | WizLab | Identified Gholoovvet's Catalogue of Companions (You found it in a wizard's laboratory)
60060 | WizLab | Identified Hyfopp's Papyrus of Creation (You found it in a wizard's laboratory)
60065 | WizLab | Learned a level 3 spell: Abjuration
60327 | Depths:3 | Found Xukolit's Food Boutique.
60368 | Depths:3 | Found Gaag's Armour Shop.
60386 | Depths:3 | Found a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium.
60409 | Depths:3 | Found Colim's Armour Boutique.
60428 | Depths:3 | Found Stoson's Gadget Emporium.
60487 | Depths:3 | Bought a wand of heal wounds (4) for 1056 gold pieces
60990 | Depths:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Unarmed Combat
61849 | Depths:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
63895 | Depths:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Depths
63904 | Depths:5 | Noticed an ancient lich
63910 | Depths:5 | Killed an ancient lich
63910 | Depths:5 | Reached XP level 25. HP: 194/236 MP: 22/33
63932 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 21 in Unarmed Combat
64640 | Depths:5 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
64658 | Depths:5 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
64658 | Depths:5 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
64768 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes
65064 | Depths:5 | Found a gate to the Realm of Zot.
65149 | Depths:5 | Noticed the Enchantress
65156 | Depths:5 | Killed the Enchantress
65162 | Depths:5 | Got a faerie dragon armour
65249 | Depths:5 | Identified the +5 faerie dragon armour {rN+} (You took it off the Enchantress on level 5 of the Depths)
66080 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 22 in Unarmed Combat
66267 | Depths:5 | HP: 11/236 [spriggan defender/glowing quick blade (42)]
66681 | Depths:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Translocations
66901 | Depths:5 | Identified the Grimoire of Ignition
67060 | Depths:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
67636 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful. [potion of mutation]
67636 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [potion of mutation]
67636 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You can translocate small distances at will. [potion of mutation]
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of fear for 42 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 36 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 90 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 24 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 24 gold pieces
67833 | Vaults:2 | Bought a scroll of identify for 24 gold pieces
68743 | Orc:1 | Bought the Incunabulum of Enhancements for 676 gold pieces
68749 | Orc:1 | Learned a level 4 spell: Control Teleport
69167 | Vaults:4 | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades.
69243 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 26. HP: 184/244 MP: 34/34
69591 | Vaults:4 | Killed Mennas
69678 | Vaults:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Vaults
69718 | Vaults:5 | Reached skill level 23 in Unarmed Combat
70482 | Vaults:5 | Got a silver rune of Zot
70492 | Vaults:5 | Got a dazzling glaive
70992 | Vaults:5 | Got a flickering marble ring
70993 | Vaults:5 | Identified the ring of Makhleb's Vengeance {Hunger- Str+4 Int-4} (You took it off a yaktaur on level 5 of the Vaults)
71144 | Vaults:5 | Reached skill level 24 in Unarmed Combat
71475 | Vaults:5 | Reached XP level 27. HP: 245/252 MP: 21/34
72899 | Crypt:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Crypt
73629 | Trove | Entered a treasure trove
73638 | Trove | Got an ancient bronze amulet
73642 | Trove | Got a wavering bone ring
73663 | Trove | Got a fine pewter ring
73787 | Lair:1 | Identified the ring of Summertime {MP+9 Int+2 SInv} (You found it in a treasure trove)
73788 | Lair:1 | Identified the ring "Jir Pin" {+Inv Dex+1 Int-5} (You found it in a treasure trove)
73789 | Lair:1 | Identified the amulet of Night {Clar Dex+5 Int+3} (You found it in a treasure trove)
75770 | Crypt:3 | Noticed Sojobo
75776 | Crypt:3 | Killed Sojobo
75902 | Crypt:3 | Noticed Boris
75913 | Crypt:3 | Killed Boris
76331 | Crypt:3 | Found a staircase to the Tomb.
76723 | Crypt:4 | Reached skill level 25 in Unarmed Combat
77295 | Crypt:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Crypt
78422 | Crypt:5 | Got a transparent glass ring
78424 | Crypt:5 | Identified the ring of Henotheism {Hunger- rN+ Int-3 Acc+6} (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)
78444 | Crypt:5 | Identified a +7 rod of the swarm (13/13) (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt)
79623 | Slime:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Pits of Slime
79626 | Slime:1 | Gained mutation: You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. [a shining eye]
80265 | Slime:2 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
80278 | Slime:2 | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
80445 | Slime:5 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
80784 | Slime:3 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
80788 | Slime:3 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
80790 | Slime:3 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
81195 | Slime:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Pits of Slime
81757 | Slime:6 | Noticed the royal jelly
81786 | Slime:6 | Killed the royal jelly
81978 | Slime:6 | Got a slimy rune of Zot
82040 | Slime:6 | Got a scintillating marble ring
82041 | Slime:6 | Identified the ring of Zess {rF+ Int+3} (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
82059 | Slime:6 | Got a pitted cloak
82070 | Slime:6 | Identified the +2 cloak "Pairo" {+Blink +Fly Int+3} (You acquired it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
82147 | Slime:6 | Got a slimy crystal amulet
82148 | Slime:6 | Identified the amulet of Zoreph {Stasis Str+3} (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
82161 | Slime:6 | Identified a +2 rod of ignition (10/10) (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
82164 | Slime:6 | Identified the Volume of Triumph
82560 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin
82798 | Depths:1 | Voluntarily entered the Abyss.
82803 | Abyss:1 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
82823 | Abyss:1 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
82974 | Abyss:2 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
83028 | Abyss:2 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
83495 | Abyss:3 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
83626 | Abyss:3 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
83709 | Abyss:3 | Got an abyssal rune of Zot
83783 | Abyss:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
84040 | Depths:1 | Escaped the Abyss
84422 | Tomb:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Tomb of the Ancients
85047 | Zot:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Realm of Zot
85088 | Zot:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations
88238 | Zot:3 | Noticed an orb of fire
88250 | Zot:3 | Killed an orb of fire
88572 | Zot:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Realm of Zot
89719 | Zot:4 | Reached skill level 26 in Unarmed Combat
91008 | Zot:5 | Identified the Almanac of Aid (You found it on level 5 of the Realm of Zot)
91031 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich
91031 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich
91050 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich
91056 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich
91383 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich
91393 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich
91429 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire
91506 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire
91521 | Zot:5 | Noticed an ancient lich
91531 | Zot:5 | Killed an ancient lich
91643 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire
91648 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire
91878 | Zot:5 | Noticed an orb of fire
91893 | Zot:5 | Killed an orb of fire
91946 | Zot:5 | Got the Orb of Zot
92301 | D:15 | Noticed Fryobb the pandemonium lord
92306 | D:15 | Killed Fryobb the pandemonium lord
92436 | D:10 | Noticed Fim Smo the pandemonium lord
92612 | D:2 | Killed Sigmund
92703 | D:$ | Escaped with the Orb!
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
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Melee: Unarmed | 147 | 220 | 302 | 634 | 1610 | 1317 | 1533 | 1721 | 3410 || 10894
Rod | | | | | | 19 | 21 | 69 | 1 || 110
Fire: Blowgun | | | 27 | 55 | 35 | 11 | 13 | | 1 || 142
Throw: Dart | | | | | 3 | 4 | | | || 7
Large rock | | | | | 13 | 135 | 149 | 107 | 23 || 427
Throwing net | | | | | | 1 | 6 | | || 7
Cast: Magic Dart | | 6 | | | | | | | || 6
Repel Missiles | | 1 | 5 | 2 | 7 | 11 | 6 | 7 | 14 || 53
Regeneration | | | | 3 | | 4 | 1 | 10 | 48 || 66
Blink | | | | | 27 | 5 | 6 | 25 | 31 || 94
Shroud of Golubri | | | | | 3 | 4 | | 1 | 9 || 17
Cause Fear | | | | | 2 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 2 || 12
Enslavement | | | | | 2 | | 4 | 2 | || 8
Silence | | | | | | | | 9 | 9 || 18
Apportation | | | | | | | | 3 | 3 || 6
Abjuration | | | | | | | | 1 | 6 || 7
Control Teleport | | | | | | | | | 11 || 11
Stoneskin | | | | | | | | | 2 || 2
Invok: Bend Time | | | | 2 | 2 | 2 | | | 5 || 11
Slouch | | | | | 14 | 6 | 12 | 6 | 17 || 55
Temporal Distorti | | | | | | 9 | 7 | 22 | 44 || 82
Abil: Evoke Teleportati | | | | | | | | 3 | 9 || 12
Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 1 | 21 | 16 | 8 | 3 | 10 | 14 || 74
Phial of floods | | | | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 || 6
Rod | | | | | 24 | 9 | 13 | 30 | 9 || 85
Fan of gales | | | | | | | | | 3 || 3
Use: Scroll | 2 | 10 | 9 | 15 | 19 | 15 | 14 | 17 | 56 || 157
Potion | | 4 | 1 | | 5 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 15 || 40
Stab: Sleeping | 1 | 3 | 4 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 1 || 45
Distracted | | | | 2 | 6 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 5 || 23
Invisible | | | | | 2 | | | | 22 || 24
Fleeing | | | | | 1 | | | | || 1
Confused | | | | | | | | 1 | 1 || 2
Like everybody else said, Trolls start with one of the best weapons and the ability to use one of the best ranged weapons. Given that you have an innate ability to do huge damage, augmenting that with spellcasting is dicey and unnecessary. But I think my example is a good one for showing that following a generally sensible plan (Chei for heug stats, Wz for good hybrid-y spells, hit dudes with claws and rocks) makes TrWz^Chei an ezmode combo, even if you, like me, suck at the game.