Asterion?


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Post Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:08

Asterion?

How does one Defeat Asterion at such an early point in the game?

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Altacy the Carver (Red Draconian Gladiator)        Turns: 32550, Time: 03:28:23

HP  97/134       AC 17     Str 18      XL: 15   Next: 51%
MP  29/29        EV 27     Int 12      God: Qazlal [******]
Gold 2496        SH 16     Dex 24      Spells:  0 memorised, 14 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis .     j - +1,+0 scimitar (slice)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  +     (armour unavailable)
rNeg   . . .     Conserve .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rCorr    .     c - +2 hat
rElec  +         rRot     .     y - +0 cloak
SustAb . .       Spirit   +     N - +0 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Warding  .     G - +3 pair of boots "Gefiysm" {Int+4 Acc+2}
Gourm  .         Stasis   .     r - amulet of guardian spirit
MR     +....                    x - +6 ring of dexterity
                                k - ring of poison resistance

@: repel missiles, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: breathe fire, unfitting armour, horns 1, clarity, fire resistance 1, slow
healing 1, AC +9
a: Breathe Fire, Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion


You are on level 4 of the Spider Nest.
You worship Qazlal.
Qazlal is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 28 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary, Bailey and Ice Cave.

You have collected 3106 gold pieces.
You have spent 610 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 i - a +2,+2 long sword of electrocution
 j - a +1,+0 scimitar of slicing (weapon)
 n - a +2,+0 great sword
 W - the +8,+8 storm bow {elec}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It charges the ammunition it shoots with electricity; occasionally upon a
   hit, such missiles may discharge and cause terrible harm.
Missiles
 a - 81 arrows
Armour
 c - a +2 hat (worn)
 y - a +0 cloak (worn)
 G - the +3 pair of boots "Gefiysm" (worn) {Int+4 Acc+2}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+2).
 N - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Magical devices
 g - a wand of fire {zapped: 1}
 z - a brass wand
 H - a tapered lead wand
 I - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 2}
 O - a wand of fireball {empty}
 S - a wand of hasting (4)
Comestibles
 f - a bread ration
 l - 12 meat rations
 q - a chunk of goliath beetle flesh
 B - a choko
 F - a slice of pizza
 R - 9 oranges
Scrolls
 b - 12 scrolls of identify
 d - a scroll of amnesia
 h - 6 scrolls of teleportation
 o - 3 scrolls of recharging
 p - 7 scrolls of remove curse
 C - 2 scrolls of fear
 D - a scroll of blinking
 E - a scroll of enchant weapon I
 L - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 U - a scroll of vulnerability
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 k - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 m - a ring of fire
 r - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck)
 u - a +3 ring of protection
 w - a ring of stealth
 x - a +6 ring of dexterity (right hand)
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 M - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 Q - an uncursed ring of see invisible
Potions
 s - 9 potions of curing
 t - 4 potions of restore abilities
 v - 3 potions of heal wounds
 P - 2 potions of berserk rage


   Skills:
 - Level 12.7 Fighting
 - Level 14.7 Long Blades
 + Level 10.8 Bows
 - Level 1.7 Throwing
 - Level 13.2 Dodging
 - Level 11.0 Invocations


You have 14 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:10
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:11         Shoals (0/5) Lair:3
 Spider (4/5) Lair:5     
 Slime: Lair:6-8   

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:4 %   D:9 :   D:11 =   Orc:1 }*   Orc:3 [?=[   Orc:4 *=([:::((

Annotations:
D:6 exclusion: oklob plant
D:10 exclusion: silver statue
Orc:1 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:7 exclusion: 3 oklob plants
Spider:1 Asterion


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can breathe blasts of fire.
Your fiery red scales are hard (AC +9).
Your body does not fit into most forms of armour.
Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold.
Your flesh is heat resistant.
You have a pair of small horns on your head.
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
You heal slowly when monsters are visible.


Message History

Your headbutt misses the goliath beetle.
You tail-slap the goliath beetle, but do no damage.
The goliath beetle is almost dead.
You slash the goliath beetle!
You kill the goliath beetle!
Qazlal accepts your kill.
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
You start resting.
Magic restored.
You start resting.
A jumping spider comes into view.
Welcome back, Altacy the Red Draconian Gladiator.
Qazlal says: Let the forces of nature tear it all down!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
You are alive. You repel missiles. Your movement speed is average.
Your attack speed is quite fast.
You are somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments.
You feel very unstealthy.

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He appears to be stupidly powerful according to the wiki. He looks to be even more powerful than saint roka. What is a poor little draconian like me to do?
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Post Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:12

Re: Asterion?

I would recommend getting away from him, but if you use zerk from full hp you might get him. Just be ready to cry when he completely humiliates you.

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Post Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:13

Re: Asterion?

go somewhere else

unfortunately you worship cuzlol so my usual advice (of just going > past asterion and then ignoring him entirely) is a bit less likely to be good since you kind of need an accessible < in spider because you get giant swarms of spiders when you first find a new floor, but it's probably still what I would do

the good thing is that as long as you have teleport scrolls asterion pretty much can't kill you
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Post Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:22

Re: Asterion?

crate wrote:go somewhere else

unfortunately you worship cuzlol so my usual advice (of just going > past asterion and then ignoring him entirely) is a bit less likely to be good since you kind of need an accessible < in spider because you get giant swarms of spiders when you first find a new floor, but it's probably still what I would do

the good thing is that as long as you have teleport scrolls asterion pretty much can't kill you


He is currently blocking the exit to spiders nest, so I think I need a way to either lure him or kill him. Any ideas?
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Post Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:25

Re: Asterion?

Tiktacy wrote:
crate wrote:go somewhere else

unfortunately you worship cuzlol so my usual advice (of just going > past asterion and then ignoring him entirely) is a bit less likely to be good since you kind of need an accessible < in spider because you get giant swarms of spiders when you first find a new floor, but it's probably still what I would do

the good thing is that as long as you have teleport scrolls asterion pretty much can't kill you


He is currently blocking the exit to spiders nest, so I think I need a way to either lure him or kill him. Any ideas?


Well, uhh, I went up stairs to see if I could get a good grasp n where he was, and I did... He was at the top of the staircase I took.

So I hasted up, ran for the exit, he didn't haste up so I outran him, then I figured I would take a few shots to see if I could kill him with my bow of storms, and he died like a bitch.
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Post Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:44

Re: Asterion?

Good job :)

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Post Monday, 12th May 2014, 22:53

Re: Asterion?

Tiktacy wrote:So I hasted up, ran for the exit, he didn't haste up so I outran him, then I figured I would take a few shots to see if I could kill him with my bow of storms, and he died like a bitch.


In my experience, female dogs usually live quite a while if well cared for. I am very sorry if your childhood was marred by a rash of pet deaths.

At any rate, glad you managed to take Asterion down.

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Post Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 00:05

Re: Asterion?

There aren't too many specific techniques that help for asterion that don't also apply to any other dangerous unique, but one specific property he has is that his health is shared with his spectral weapon. So any AOE damage can basically kill him twice* as fast. Fireball, bolt of fire (if they're lined up), axes (but no one uses axes, right), slouch (especially once he hastes), etc.

*I'm not sure if the damage sharing is literally 1 to 1, so let's just say it's about twice as fast.
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Post Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 06:44

Re: Asterion?

I haven't met Asterion yet myself, but from the description it seems to be quite a tough unique to appear on the first levels of Lair rune branches.

Btw. wouldn't that long sword of electrocution be better than that scimitar of slicing?
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Post Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 14:27

Re: Asterion?

Asterion's spectral weapon is his biggest weakness. It's much easier to hit than he is. He's a well designed unique if you ask me.

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Post Wednesday, 14th May 2014, 14:46

Re: Asterion?

tasonir wrote:There aren't too many specific techniques that help for asterion that don't also apply to any other dangerous unique, but one specific property he has is that his health is shared with his spectral weapon. So any AOE damage can basically kill him twice* as fast. Fireball, bolt of fire (if they're lined up), axes (but no one uses axes, right), slouch (especially once he hastes), etc.

*I'm not sure if the damage sharing is literally 1 to 1, so let's just say it's about twice as fast.


It's 2 to 1 actually, same as your spectral weapon (he takes half the damage it does).

It's still a good deal, especially if you can smack them both at once. He doesn't resist any elements, so AoE damage of all stripes works pretty well.
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Post Wednesday, 21st May 2014, 11:17

Re: Asterion?

damiac wrote:Asterion's spectral weapon is his biggest weakness. It's much easier to hit than he is. He's a well designed unique if you ask me.


daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. I'll never hear the end of this from gamma.
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Post Wednesday, 21st May 2014, 14:54

Re: Asterion?

vengefulcarrot wrote:daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. I'll never hear the end of this from gamma.


At this point and with all of the double-meaning of "Thanks" and such, I honestly can't tell if I'm being dunked or given shoutouts. Well played, Tavern.

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Post Wednesday, 21st May 2014, 15:13

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It depends on the thanker. I'd assume they intended a grave insult, it's the safer bet.

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