KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword


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Post Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 06:07

KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword

Char dump:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-416-g6a5a94f (tiles) character file.

Krambo the Spry (Kobold Berserker)                 Turns: 27169, Time: 02:19:14

HP  99/99        AC 23     Str 16      XL: 15   Next: 87%
MP  28/28        EV 30     Int  6      God: Trog [******]
Gold 1972        SH  0     Dex 21      Spells:  0 memorised, 14 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .     a - +4 lajatang (protect)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     E - +4 troll leather armour
rNeg   . . .     Conserve .     (no shield)
rPois  .         rCorr    .     M - +2 hat
rElec  .         rRot     .     G - +0 cloak
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     x - +0 pair of gloves (curse)
rMut   .         Warding  .     p - +1 pair of boots
Saprov + + .     Stasis   .     (no amulet)
MR     ++...                    q - +3 ring of protection
                                s - ring of protection from magic

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: disease resistance, carnivore 3, saprovore 2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You are on level 3 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 23 of its levels.
You have also visited: Volcano.

You have collected 2066 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +4,+4 lajatang of protection (weapon)
 b - a +1,+1 whip of electrocution
 c - a +4,+4 anti-magic lajatang
 K - the +6,+11 bastard sword "Wimatol" {flame, +Blink rF+ rN+}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to
   double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades
   are also staple armaments of hydra-hunters.
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you blink.
Armour
 p - a +1 pair of boots (worn)
 x - a cursed +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 E - a +4 troll leather armour (worn)
 G - a +0 cloak (worn)
 M - a +2 hat (worn)
Magical devices
 w - a wand of fire (5)
 D - a wand of cold (6)
 H - a wand of frost {zapped: 2}
 I - a wand of disintegration (5)
Comestibles
 g - 2 rotting chunks of orc flesh
 t - a slice of pizza
 J - 8 meat rations
Scrolls
 i - 2 scrolls of fear
 l - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 v - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 y - 2 scrolls of blinking
 z - 3 scrolls of identify
 A - 2 scrolls of fog
 C - a scroll of vulnerability
Jewellery
 f - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 m - an uncursed ring of flight
 q - a +3 ring of protection (right hand)
 s - a ring of protection from magic (left hand)
Potions
 d - 2 potions of heal wounds
 h - 2 potions of agility
 j - 2 potions of might
 n - 9 potions of curing
 o - a potion of haste
 r - a potion of magic
 u - 2 potions of restore abilities
 B - a potion of flight
 F - a potion of brilliance
Miscellaneous
 k - an ornate deck of defence {Warpwright, drawn: 1}
Rods
 e - a +4 rod of the swarm (12/12)
   (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)


   Skills:
 + Level 13.2 Fighting
 - Level 12.5 Maces & Flails
 - Level 14.0 Staves
 - Level 5.1 Armour
 + Level 16.1 Dodging
 * Level 9.9 Evocations


You have 14 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (0/1) D:4             Orc (3/4) D:12
   Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (0/5) Lair:3        Snake (0/5) Lair:6
  Slime (0/6) Lair:7     
   Elf: Orc:3-4     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Okawaru
Trog
Xom
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 *   D:12 *   Orc:3 =

Annotations:
Lair:3 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You recuperate from illness quickly.
You are small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You can eat rotten meat.


Message History

The shop is a mimic!
The shop mimic closely misses you. The shop mimic hits you. The shop mimic closely misses you.
You hit the shop mimic.
The shop mimic is lightly damaged.
You slash the shop mimic!
The shop mimic is moderately damaged.
The shop mimic completely misses you. The shop mimic closely misses you.
The shop mimic barely misses you.
You slash the shop mimic!
The shop mimic is heavily damaged.
The shop mimic completely misses you. The shop mimic misses you. The shop mimic grabs you.
You slash the shop mimic!
The shop mimic is almost destroyed.
You slash the shop mimic!
You destroy the shop mimic!
Things that are here:
a dagger; a ring mail
There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here.
Char dumped to '/Users/camerondykstra/Library/Application Support/Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup/morgue/Krambo.txt'.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  8 hydras
  5 death yaks
  A catoblepas (Lair:7)
  Erolcha (D:8)
  2 unseen horrors
  3 hill giants
  2 lindwurms
  Pikel (D:5)
  Joseph (D:7)
  2 orc knights
  A cyclops (D:12)
  A mermaid (Lair:3)
  17 elephants
  7 black mambas
  3 feature mimics
  A molten gargoyle (Volcano)
  17 spiny frogs
  Psyche (D:11)
  3 gargoyles (Volcano)
  A centaur zombie (D:10)
  9 komodo dragons
  Grinder (D:5)
  2 fire drakes
  2 trolls
  A polar bear (Lair:4)
  2 giant leeches (Lair:8)
  Prince Ribbit (D:8)
  A hydra skeleton (D:12)
  4 two-headed ogres
  11 blink frogs
  A basilisk (Lair:8)
  A tarantella (Lair:5)
  12 sharks
  2 elephant slugs
  Eustachio (Orc:1)
  10 vampire mosquitoes
  4 wyverns
  Grum (D:8)
  An ugly thing (D:10)
  54 yaks
  A hungry ghost (D:12)
  5 deep elf magi
  A naga (Lair:6)
  6 hippogriffs
  Edmund (Orc:1)
  21 wolves
  A warg (D:12)
  11 porcupines
  A swamp drake (Orc:2)
  2 ice beasts
  18 water moccasins
  12 orc warriors
  3 sky beasts
  7 necrophages (Lair:5)
  4 black bears
  12 ogres
  3 phantoms
  A manticore skeleton (D:12)
  6 centaurs
  9 crocodiles
  Duvessa (D:6)
  4 boring beetles (D:10)
  The ghost of Krambo the Twirler, an average TeGl (D:3)
  3 lava worms (Lair:4)
  2 big kobolds
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  8 giant slugs
  25 giant frogs
  7 killer bees
  3 scorpions
  7 wights
  7 crimson imps
  2 jellies
  A lava snake (Lair:4)
  10 electric eels
  Dowan (D:6)
  17 orc priests
  4 goliath beetles
  An iron imp (Orc:2)
  10 hounds
  7 iguanas
  26 orc wizards
  14 big fish
  An elf skeleton (D:8)
  5 worker ants
  A centaur skeleton (D:5)
  20 sheep
  A mottled dragon skeleton (D:10)
  A big kobold skeleton (D:7)
  9 gnolls
  18 adders
  61 green rats
  4 shadow imps
  2 giant mites
  A white imp (Orc:2)
  4 worms
  An adder zombie (D:2)
  4 adder skeletons
  5 giant eyeballs
  7 giant geckos
  115 orcs
  3 giant cockroaches
  21 goblins
  15 hobgoblins
  20 jackals
  22 kobolds
  15 quokkas
  A ball python (D:1)
  15 bats
  4 giant newts
  A kobold skeleton (D:2)
  A kobold zombie (D:5)
  A quokka skeleton (D:2)
  21 rats
  13 ballistomycetes
  2 fungi
  3 plants
904 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A hydra (Lair:5)
  A cyclops (D:12)
  A komodo dragon (Lair:8)
  A spiny frog (Lair:8)
  2 giant frogs (Lair:8)
  2 killer bees (D:12)
  An adder (D:11)
  A worm (D:12)
  2 orcs (D:12)
  2 kobolds (D:12)
14 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A troll (Lair:8)
  2 ogres
  A big kobold (D:12)
  A killer bee (Lair:8)
  A worker ant (D:12)
  A worm (D:12)
  2 orcs (Orc:2)
  2 hobgoblins (D:5)
  2 giant spores
  6 fungi
  10 plants
  10 toadstools (Lair:7)
39 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 957 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Krambo, the Kobold Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 1/1
   412 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 13/19 MP: 2/2
  1100 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/23 MP: 3/3
  1524 | D:2      | Acquired Trog's second power
  1524 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 29/29 MP: 4/4
  1693 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
  2128 | D:3      | Noticed Krambo's ghost (average TeGl)
  2137 | D:3      | Killed Krambo's ghost
  2137 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 34/34 MP: 5/5
  2319 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  2319 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 13/39 MP: 6/6
  2812 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  3295 | D:4      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  3307 | D:4      | Noticed an orc warrior
  3343 | D:4      | Killed an orc warrior
  3346 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  3346 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/44 MP: 7/7
  3369 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails
  3558 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3647 | D:4      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  3648 | D:4      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  3657 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  3805 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3859 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 46/50 MP: 8/8
  3885 | D:5      | Found Suqenai's General Store.
  3995 | D:5      | Noticed Grinder
  3996 | D:5      | Paralysed by Grinder for 6 turns
  4013 | D:5      | Paralysed by Grinder for 5 turns
  4020 | D:5      | Killed Grinder
  4020 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails
  4023 | D:5      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  4497 | D:5      | Noticed Pikel
  4527 | D:5      | Killed Pikel
  4527 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails
  4527 | D:5      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 32/56 MP: 9/9
  5191 | D:6      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  5458 | D:6      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  5470 | D:6      | Acquired Trog's third power
  5526 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails
  5761 | D:6      | Noticed Dowan
  5763 | D:6      | Noticed Duvessa
  5783 | D:6      | Killed Dowan
  5824 | D:6      | Killed Duvessa
  5879 | D:6      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  5897 | D:6      | Noticed Blork the orc
  5918 | D:6      | Killed Blork the orc
  5929 | D:6      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  6605 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 57/64 MP: 10/10
  6700 | D:7      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  6783 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
  6801 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
  6801 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
  7212 | D:7      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  7969 | D:8      | Noticed Erolcha
  7987 | D:8      | Killed Erolcha
  8329 | D:8      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  8499 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails
  8701 | D:8      | Got a faintly glowing cutlass
  8702 | D:8      | Identified the +3,+4 cutlass of the Pure Cities {holy, rPois} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
  8889 | D:8      | Received a gift from Trog
  9147 | D:8      | Killed Prince Ribbit
  9183 | D:8      | Noticed Grum
  9220 | D:8      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 61/71 MP: 11/11
  9232 | D:8      | Killed Grum
  9320 | D:9      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  9753 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
  9954 | D:9      | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails
 10248 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10564 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10749 | D:10     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 10820 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 10837 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 10928 | D:10     | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 10958 | D:10     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
 10961 | D:10     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
 11004 | D:10     | Reached skill level 1 in Staves
 11614 | D:10     | Killed an unseen horror
 11683 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 12102 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 68/78 MP: 4/12
 12185 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Staves
 12317 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Trog
 12555 | Lair:1   | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 14162 | Lair:3   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 14176 | Lair:3   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 14293 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 14409 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 14424 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Staves
 15008 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 34/83 MP: 4/13
 15868 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 15891 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 13 in Dodging
 17182 | Lair:5   | Found a dark tunnel.
 17253 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 17606 | Lair:5   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 17615 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 17626 | Lair:5   | the hole to the Spider Nest was a mimic.
 17903 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 14 in Dodging
 18021 | Lair:5   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 18030 | Lair:5   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 18030 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 88/88 MP: 4/14
 18599 | Lair:6   | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
 18599 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 19636 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 19903 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 19909 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 20318 | Lair:6   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 20320 | Lair:6   | Identified a +4 rod of the swarm (12/12) (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)
 20502 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 21022 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 21154 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Trog
 21154 | Lair:7   | Reached XP level 15. HP: 31/96 MP: 7/21
 21547 | Lair:7   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 21547 | Lair:7   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 21986 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 22757 | Lair:8   | Received a gift from Trog
 22775 | Lair:8   | Got a fine quarterstaff {god gift}
 22779 | Lair:8   | Identified the +2,+3 quarterstaff of Elitism {venom, +Inv +Fly Str-3} (Trog gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 23136 | Lair:8   | Got a heavily runed cloak
 23140 | Lair:8   | Identified the +2 cloak "Loifamuo" {Str-2 Int+4} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 23540 | D:11     | Noticed Psyche
 23547 | D:11     | Killed Psyche
 23634 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 23645 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 24223 | D:12     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
 24336 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 24354 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 24810 | D:12     | Reached skill level 16 in Dodging
 24821 | D:12     | Found Omiabb's General Store.
 24912 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 24938 | D:12     | Your ally Roixtewn died
 25236 | Orc:2    | Received a gift from Trog
 26146 | Orc:1    | Noticed Eustachio
 26176 | Orc:1    | Killed Eustachio
 26333 | Orc:1    | Noticed Edmund
 26341 | Orc:1    | Killed Edmund
 26424 | Orc:1    | Received a gift from Trog
 26601 | Orc:3    | Found Cinger's Jewellery Emporium.
 26860 | Orc:3    | Found Wian's Magic Scroll Emporium.
 27141 | Orc:3    | Received a gift from Trog
 27144 | Orc:3    | Got a twisted bastard sword {god gift}
 27150 | Orc:3    | Identified the +6,+11 bastard sword "Wimatol" {flame, +Blink rF+ rN+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Orcish Mines)
 27157 | Orc:3    | Wian's Magic Scroll Emporium was a mimic.


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Mace              |    72 |   113 |   340 |   637 |       ||  1162
       Flail             |       |       |       |    53 |   110 ||   163
       Lajatang          |       |       |       |   445 |  1903 ||  2348
       Whip              |       |       |       |       |    29 ||    29
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     2 |     2 |     7 |     5 ||    17
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |     1 |     4 |     3 ||     8
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |       |       |     3 |     5 ||     8
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     1 |     6 |    18 ||    25
       Rod               |       |       |       |       |     4 ||     4
       Deck              |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Potion            |     1 |       |       |     1 |     5 ||     7
       Scroll            |       |     1 |    10 |    19 |    10 ||    40
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |     1 |       |     3 ||     4
       Sleeping          |       |       |       |     4 |     2 ||     6
       Fleeing           |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1




The sword & my other weapons:
  Code:
 a - a +4,+4 lajatang of protection (weapon)
 b - a +1,+1 whip of electrocution
 c - a +4,+4 anti-magic lajatang
 K - the +6,+11 bastard sword "Wimatol" {flame, +Blink rF+ rN+}


Currently I have 12.5 in M&F (which I started with) and 14 in staves (which I switched to when I was gifted the anti-magic lajatang, Trog really likes to screw with you :D ) so I'm not heavily invested in these. My defenses are decent so I'm thinking I could focus entirely on LB. The bastard sword gets to mindelay at level 16 so the -2 apt should not be a big deal right?

So is it a good idea to switch?
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Post Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 13:19

Re: KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword

You're already spread thin weapon skill-wise. Skills get more expensive the more total skill levels you've amassed. It's fine to go M&F then Staves on a Be, since Lajatang doesn't require much skill to bring to mindelay, but getting LB to 16 on a kobold without crosstraining doesn't seem like a good idea to me after switching once already. You don't need the sword to win, you need to train more dodging and fighting, imo.
MuCK;
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612 | D:1      | Xom revived you
614 | D:1      | Xom revived you
614 | D:1      | Slain by a gnoll

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Post Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 23:09

Re: KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword

TehDruid wrote:You're already spread thin weapon skill-wise. Skills get more expensive the more total skill levels you've amassed.

This isn't true. To train a skill from x to x+1 has a cost proportional to x^2 (e.g. to train a skill from 0 to x has a cost proportional to x^3). It's not based on how high any of your other skills are trained at all.
(Unless you meant in the sense of 'The more time you dawdle on training useful things, the faster you run out of easy exp to train further'?)

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Post Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 23:44

Re: KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword

No, this is true. If you have 10 skill levels in a skill (and 0 in all other skills) you will reach 11 skill levels extremely faster than if you have 10 skill levels in all skills. It can be seen in late zigs where potion of experience increases a single skill from 10.0 to 10.1. Compare it with early potions of experience which can train a single skill from 10 to 14 and even more.

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Post Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 23:47

Re: KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword

This is one of those misunderstandings between different types of costs.

Skills require "skill points" to increase, it requires a cost in skill points proportional to your current skill level to increase your skill by a level.

To get "Skill points" requires experience, it takes more experience to get a certain number of "skill points", proportional to the amount of experience you've earned so far.
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Post Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 23:56

Re: KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword

Is there a big spoiler for all experience/skill/skill points related stuff? I don't want to open my mouth and look stupid again and only learn the next part incrementially :( This has happened too much lately!

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Post Wednesday, 7th May 2014, 00:13

Re: KoBe Lajatang user, Trog gave AwesomeSword

Siegurt wrote:This is one of those misunderstandings between different types of costs.

Skills require "skill points" to increase, it requires a cost in skill points proportional to your current skill level to increase your skill by a level.

To get "Skill points" requires experience, it takes more experience to get a certain number of "skill points", proportional to the amount of experience you've earned so far.

Thanks for explaining that, I always assumed that the xp cost was fixed. My character has already died stupidly, but at least I learned something ;)

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