Should I wear Ring of Vitality?


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Snake Sneak

Posts: 125

Joined: Friday, 26th April 2013, 05:09

Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 02:19

Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

I know it's a very good ring (regen, +15HP) but I also have:
  Code:
B - the ring of the Mage (left hand) {Wiz MR++ Int+3}
E - the ring "Chom" (right hand) {rF+ Str+3 Int+4}

which I am currently wearing. The Str and Int help a lot with casting, especially while wearing swamp dragon armour. Also I have Powered by Death which helps with regen and Ds aren't lacking in HP. Does the multiplicative effect of PBD apply to the extra regen as well as my base regen? If it does I could have insane regen with a couple of corpses...

I think I've been cursed with too good luck :lol:

Feel free to peruse the dump:
  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0-2-gd2dacb9 (console) character file.

Kramin the Eclecticist (DsFE)                      Turns: 81678, Time: 06:51:47

HP 157/179       AC 37     Str 13      XL: 22   Next: 65%
MP  28/42        EV 22     Int 30      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 153         SH 13     Dex 19      Spells:  9 memorised, 10 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     a - staff of conjuration
rCold  . . .     Clarity  +     u - +6 swamp dragon armour of Listlessness {rPois SInv}
rNeg   . . .     Conserve +     t - +1 buckler {AC+3}
rPois  +         rCorr    +     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  .         rRot     .     Q - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     U - +1 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
rMut   .         Warding  .     J - +1 pair of boots {run}
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     z - amulet of clarity
MR     +++..                    E - ring "Chom" {rF+ Str+3 Int+4}
                                B - ring of the Mage {Wiz MR++ Int+3}

@: quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: horns 3, iridescent scales 3, powered by death 2, powered by pain 3,
augmentation 1
a: Renounce Religion
}: 2/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled


You are on level 1 of the Depths.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 47 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 4917 gold pieces.
You have spent 4764 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 b - a +5,+6 demon whip of slashing
Armour
 t - a +1 buckler of protection (worn)
 u - the +6 swamp dragon armour of Listlessness (worn) {rPois SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 J - a +1 pair of boots of running (worn)
 Q - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
 U - a +1 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn)
Magical devices
 e - a wand of digging (14)
 i - a wand of teleportation (5)
 N - a wand of disintegration (15)
Comestibles
 n - 3 apricots
 q - 4 rotting chunks of sphinx flesh
 R - 4 bread rations
Scrolls
 c - a scroll of magic mapping
 h - 2 scrolls of identify
 l - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 o - 4 scrolls of fog
 p - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 C - a scroll of blinking
 M - 3 scrolls of fear
Jewellery
 d - the ring of Circularity {Wiz rF+}
   (You took it off a deep elf conjurer on level 2 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   It protects you from fire.
 v - the ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15}
   (You took it off a mummy priest on level 1 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of regeneration]
   It affects your health (+15).
 w - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 z - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 B - the ring of the Mage (left hand) {Wiz MR++ Int+3}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 E - the ring "Chom" (right hand) {rF+ Str+3 Int+4}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
 F - an uncursed amulet of warding
 H - an uncursed ring of flight
 I - an uncursed ring of fire
Potions
 f - a potion of magic
 g - 2 potions of restore abilities
 j - a potion of invisibility
 k - 9 potions of curing
 m - a potion of might
 s - 3 potions of brilliance
 x - 2 potions of agility
 G - 2 potions of resistance
 K - 5 potions of heal wounds
 L - 2 potions of haste
Books
 y - a book of the Dragon   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Flight                             Charms/Air                   3
   Cause Fear                         Hexes                        4
   *Bolt of Fire                      Conjuration/Fire             6
   Dragon Form                        Transmutation                7
   Dragon's Call                      Summoning                    9
Magical staves
 a - an uncursed staff of conjuration (weapon)
Miscellaneous
 r - a fan of gales


   Skills:
 - Level 16.3 Fighting
 - Level 6.0 Maces & Flails
 - Level 14.3 Armour
 - Level 16.0 Dodging
 - Level 1.7 Stealth
 - Level 5.3 Shields
 + Level 17.9 Spellcasting
 - Level 16.7 Conjurations
 - Level 9.2 Charms
 - Level 13.7 Fire Magic
 - Level 10.1 Earth Magic


You have 10 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
c - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          5    None
d - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          6    #......
e - Orb of Destruction    Conj           ########..   1%          7    ####...
r - Lehudib's Crystal Sp  Conj/Erth      ########..   7%          8    ######.
s - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      ########     1%          4    None
w - Haste                 Chrm           #######.     3%          6    #......
x - Ring of Flames        Chrm/Fire      #######...   6%          7    ####...
y - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        0%          1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:10
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:11         Shoals (5/5) Lair:5
  Snake (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:7       Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Blade (1/1) Vaults:3      Crypt (0/5) Vaults:3     Depths (1/5) D:15

Altars:
Ashenzari
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Vehumet
Xom
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:10 [   D:11 [   D:12 %   Orc:4 *??[   Elf:1 (   Elf:3 =   Shoals:3 :
Snake:1 %   Vaults:1 *   Vaults:2 ?   Vaults:4 (   Depths:1 :

Portals:
Ziggurat: Depths:1


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have a pair of large horns on your head.
You are completely covered in iridescent scales (AC +8).
You can steal the life force of defeated enemies.
You are powered by pain.
Your magical and physical power is slightly enhanced at high health.


Message History

You feel a surge of power! The fireball explodes!
The fireball engulfs the mummy priest.
You destroy the mummy priest!
Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning.
You feel extremely nervous for a moment...
You feel your flesh start to rot away!
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel better.
v - the ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15}
Found a hardcover book.
Found a glowing morningstar.
y - a book of the Dragon
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Saint Roka (Shoals:5)
  Sojobo (Vaults:3)
  Frederick (Vaults:3)
  Nikola (Snake:3)
  A bone dragon (Depths:1)
  Asterion (Shoals:5)
  Vashnia (Snake:3)
  An Ice Fiend (IceCv)
  A deep elf blademaster (Elf:3)
  2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3)
  Polyphemus (Shoals:5)
  6 sphinxes
  Rupert (Lair:7)
  Agnes (Snake:2)
  Frances (D:15)
  Kirke (D:15)
  A tengu reaver (Vaults:3)
  Roxanne (Elf:3)
  Ilsuiw (Shoals:5)
  9 greater nagas
  Donald (Shoals:1)
  Wiglaf (Snake:2)
  12 deep elf sorcerers
  13 vault wardens
  A frost giant (Vaults:3)
  An emperor scorpion (Depths:1)
  An octopode crusher (Shoals:2)
  A reaper (Depths:1)
  8 stone giants
  7 deep elf demonologists (Elf:3)
  Azrael (D:15)
  A dire elephant (Depths:1)
  10 deep elf annihilators
  2 unborn (Vaults:3)
  2 merfolk javelineers
  3 ettins
  5 deep elf death magi
  6 vault guards
  2 fire dragons
  A siren (Shoals:5)
  11 ironheart preservers
  4 mummy priests (Depths:1)
  A crystal guardian (Vaults:4)
  Josephine (Snake:1)
  6 yaktaur captains
  3 rakshasas (Depths:1)
  19 merfolk impalers
  7 hydras
  14 ogre magi
  Harold (D:14)
  A deep elf high priest (Elf:3)
  3 great orbs of eyes
  2 ravenous item mimics
  2 ravenous feature mimics
  14 naga warriors
  An ice dragon (Depths:1)
  An anaconda (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
  Nessos (D:12)
  13 anacondas
  Erica (D:15)
  3 merfolk aquamancers
  2 satyrs (Shoals:4)
  2 alligator snapping turtles (Shoals:5)
  A tengu warrior (Depths:1)
  27 dancing weapons
  7 centaur warriors
  A spectral elf (Elf:3)
  7 shock serpents
  Urug (D:12)
  23 naga sharpshooters
  12 death yaks
  4 very ugly things
  A sun demon (D:15)
  A catoblepas (Shoals:5)
  Nergalle (Lair:2)
  A hell knight (Vaults:3)
  A fire crab (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  2 shadow wraiths
  9 spriggans (Lair:8)
  Erolcha (D:8)
  5 skeletal warriors (Vaults:2)
  A fire crab (Vaults:3)
  19 deep elf knights
  9 hill giants
  3 wizards
  3 deep trolls
  5 ice devils (IceCv)
  10 deep elf summoners
  The ghost of Krambo the Martial Artist, an experienced DsTm of Okawaru (D:8)
  5 unseen horrors
  17 sea snakes
  9 orc knights
  9 naga ritualists
  An ice statue (Snake:3)
  3 necromancers
  A giant orange brain (Vaults:1)
  21 deep elf conjurers
  10 ironbrand convokers
  9 griffons
  2 red wasps
  7 water nymphs
  26 harpies
  2 orc sorcerers (D:15)
  A fire giant zombie (Vaults:1)
  2 guardian serpents
  30 black mambas
  10 cyclopes
  A mana viper (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  10 manticores
  14 fauns
  7 salamanders
  17 mana vipers
  Maurice (Orc:4)
  13 mermaids
  25 elephants
  A black mamba (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  3 gargoyles
  31 naga magi
  13 vault sentinels
  10 spiny frogs
  An item mimic (Snake:2)
  3 kobold demonologists (D:15)
  31 yaktaurs
  A yaktaur zombie (Vaults:2)
  An efreet (D:15)
  A golden dragon simulacrum (IceCv)
  2 spriggan druids
  A tengu conjurer (Depths:1)
  5 anaconda simulacra (IceCv)
  7 komodo dragons
  2 fire drakes
  12 trolls
  A jumping spider (Vaults:4)
  8 freezing wraiths
  16 deep elf priests
  5 wind drakes
  26 two-headed ogres
  5 guardian mummies (Depths:1)
  Sonja (D:12)
  36 merfolk
  3 blue devils (D:15)
  A trapdoor spider zombie (D:11)
  Prince Ribbit (Lair:2)
  8 boggarts
  11 giant fireflies (Lair:8)
  A human zombie (Vaults:1)
  29 slime creatures
  12 blink frogs
  2 ravens (Depths:1)
  5 grizzly bears (Lair:8)
  2 hydra skeletons
  A wolf spider simulacrum (IceCv)
  8 boulder beetles
  12 snapping turtles
  38 deep elf magi
  4 basilisks
  2 trapdoor spiders
  An air elemental (Vaults:3)
  9 redbacks
  2 shadows
  A tarantella (Elf:1)
  49 yaks
  A spriggan (shapeshifter) (Elf:2)
  7 water elementals
  4 hogs (D:15)
  A dire elephant simulacrum (IceCv)
  An ettin skeleton (Vaults:1)
  2 elephant slugs (Lair:8)
  45 ugly things
  2 humans (shapeshifter)
  12 sharks
  A wyvern (D:12)
  35 deep elf fighters
  Grum (D:8)
  3 fire elementals (D:15)
  24 vampire mosquitoes
  15 hippogriffs
  44 wolves
  Edmund (D:8)
  3 harpy simulacra (IceCv)
  3 iron troll simulacra
  A death yak simulacrum (IceCv)
  A soldier ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  61 nagas
  2 hydra simulacra (IceCv)
  2 salamander skeletons (Snake:1)
  A soldier ant (D:13)
  2 necrophages
  2 hell hounds (D:15)
  2 mottled dragons
  13 porcupines
  38 water moccasins
  An ettin simulacrum (IceCv)
  31 orc warriors
  4 phantoms
  7 black bears
  An alligator simulacrum (IceCv)
  A black bear (shapeshifter) (D:14)
  67 ogres
  14 ice beasts
  3 giant goldfish
  2 black mamba simulacra (Snake:1)
  A boring beetle (shapeshifter) (Elf:3)
  A boring beetle (Lair:7)
  An ogre (shapeshifter) (Elf:1)
  2 sky beasts
  Duvessa (D:9)
  21 centaurs
  17 crocodiles
  26 giant frogs
  14 giant slugs
  Sigmund (D:3)
  2 yaktaur skeletons
  17 big kobolds
  A cyclops zombie (D:15)
  A cyclops skeleton (D:14)
  4 human skeletons
  21 killer bees
  5 scorpions
  A boulder beetle zombie (Vaults:1)
  A troll zombie (D:8)
  2 eyes of draining
  12 wights
  A troll skeleton (D:11)
  4 goliath beetles
  3 electric eels
  8 jellies
  Dowan (D:9)
  9 crimson imps
  15 hounds
  4 draconian simulacra (IceCv)
  4 centaur skeletons
  A giant slug simulacrum (D:13)
  9 iguanas
  22 orc priests
  32 orc wizards
  2 big fish (Lair:5)
  An elf skeleton (D:13)
  29 sheep
  An orange rat (Elf:1)
  12 worker ants
  2 spriggan simulacra (IceCv)
  3 troll simulacra (IceCv)
  3 ogre simulacra (IceCv)
  2 naga simulacra (IceCv)
  9 gnolls
  2 orc skeletons
  36 adders
  72 green rats
  2 giant mites
  2 shadow imps (D:11)
  2 white imps (IceCv)
  3 ufetubi (IceCv)
  4 worms
  An iguana zombie (D:6)
  A giant eyeball (D:9)
  5 oozes (D:11)
  167 orcs
  3 ball pythons
  2 bat skeletons
  2 bat zombies
  14 hobgoblins
  27 jackals
  10 quokkas
  36 bats
  6 giant cockroaches
  10 giant geckos
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:6)
  3 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:15)
  22 goblins
  31 kobolds
  2 orc zombies
  23 rats
  18 ballistomycetes (D:15)
  2 crawling corpses (Elf:2)
  2 fungi
2362 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  2 orcs (Shoals:5)
2 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An eldritch tentacle (Shoals:5)
  A fire giant (Vaults:1)
  A hill giant (Depths:1)
  2 ufetubi (IceCv)
  An orc (Orc:3)
  3 giant spores (D:15)
  2 ballistomycetes (D:15)
  95 eldritch tentacle segments (Shoals:5)
  15 fungi (Lair:8)
  7 plants
128 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 2492 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Kramin, the Demonspawn Fire Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3
   409 | D:1      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in iridescent scales (AC +4). [demonic ancestry]
   409 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/4
   881 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Fire Magic
  1172 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in iridescent scales (AC +6). [demonic ancestry]
  1172 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/24 MP: 3/6
  1346 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame
  1770 | D:2      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  1826 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [demonic ancestry]
  1826 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 28/30 MP: 0/8
  2717 | D:3      | Noticed Sigmund
  2738 | D:3      | Killed Sigmund
  2738 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 24/35 MP: 0/10
  2869 | D:3      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  3164 | D:3      | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame
  3410 | D:4      | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations
  3468 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/41 MP: 5/13
  4041 | D:4      | You fall through a shaft!
  4041 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4124 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  4673 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 37/46 MP: 2/15
  4985 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  5169 | D:5      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  5173 | D:5      | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Volume of Necromancy
  5182 | D:5      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  5186 | D:5      | Identified Vehumet's Grimoire of Attacks
  5191 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  5195 | D:5      | Identified Sif Muna's Handbook of Conjuration
  5203 | D:5      | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
  5407 | D:6      | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations
  5450 | D:6      | Learned a level 5 spell: Fireball
  5679 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic
  5846 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 52/52 MP: 9/18
  6009 | D:6      | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations
  6090 | D:6      | Acquired Vehumet's first power
  6090 | D:6      | Offered knowledge of Sandblast by Vehumet.
  6802 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  7175 | D:7      | Reached skill level 8 in Conjurations
  7344 | D:7      | Offered knowledge of Sting by Vehumet.
  7356 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
  7738 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 50/57 MP: 12/21
  7921 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  7933 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8352 | D:8      | Noticed Grum
  8361 | D:8      | Killed Grum
  8438 | D:8      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  8438 | D:8      | Noticed Krambo's ghost (experienced DsTm)
  8449 | D:8      | Noticed Erolcha
  8458 | D:8      | Killed Erolcha
  8458 | D:8      | Reached skill level 9 in Conjurations
  8585 | D:8      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  8591 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  8619 | D:8      | Offered knowledge of Dazzling Spray by Vehumet.
  8701 | D:8      | Noticed Edmund
  8713 | D:8      | Killed Edmund
  8798 | D:8      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  8870 | D:8      | Killed Krambo's ghost
  8870 | D:8      | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of nearby defeated enemies. [demonic ancestry]
  8870 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 39/63 MP: 0/24
  9682 | D:9      | Noticed Dowan
  9683 | D:9      | Noticed Duvessa
  9883 | D:8      | Acquired Vehumet's second power
 10488 | D:9      | Killed Duvessa
 10510 | D:9      | Killed Dowan
 10679 | D:9      | Offered knowledge of Stone Arrow by Vehumet.
 10918 | D:9      | HP: 2/63 [burnt (8)]
 11280 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 11382 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 11382 | D:10     | Found Mamua's Armour Emporium.
 11806 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
 12094 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 12094 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 12198 | D:10     | Acquired Vehumet's third power
 12261 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Airstrike by Vehumet.
 12755 | D:9      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 12843 | D:10     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 12879 | D:10     | Gained mutation: You have a pair of horns on your head. [demonic ancestry]
 12879 | D:10     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 44/73 MP: 18/27
 13540 | D:11     | Found Ceulubea's Armour Emporium.
 13613 | D:11     | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 13617 | D:11     | Killed a five-headed hydra
 13627 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 13644 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 13800 | D:11     | Bought a +0 leather armour of cold resistance for 144 gold pieces
 14887 | D:10     | Offered knowledge of Force Lance by Vehumet.
 14896 | D:10     | Learned a level 5 spell: Force Lance
 15397 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 15956 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 16535 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 16564 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 86/86 MP: 25/29
 17747 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 5 spell: Bolt of Magma
 17897 | Lair:2   | Noticed Prince Ribbit
 17903 | Lair:2   | Killed Prince Ribbit
 18042 | Lair:2   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 18048 | Lair:2   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 18156 | Lair:2   | Noticed Nergalle
 18165 | Lair:2   | Killed Nergalle
 18424 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting
 18584 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 1 in Earth Magic
 19252 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 6 spell: Iron Shot
 19286 | Lair:3   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 19290 | Lair:3   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 20117 | Lair:3   | Gained mutation: You are completely covered in iridescent scales (AC +8). [demonic ancestry]
 20117 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 98/98 MP: 27/31
 20319 | Lair:3   | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
 20451 | Lair:3   | Offered knowledge of Fulminant Prism by Vehumet.
 21207 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Fire Magic
 22549 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 23444 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic
 24447 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 25009 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 25699 | Lair:7   | Noticed Rupert
 25706 | Lair:7   | Killed Rupert
 25731 | Lair:7   | Gained mutation: You sometimes gain a little power by taking damage. [demonic ancestry]
 25731 | Lair:7   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 103/109 MP: 11/32
 26019 | Lair:7   | Offered knowledge of Poison Arrow by Vehumet.
 26151 | Lair:7   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 26152 | Lair:7   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 26690 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 26752 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 26868 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 27770 | Lair:8   | Got a polished ring mail
 27780 | Lair:8   | Identified the +1 ring mail of the Little Devil {SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 27907 | Lair:8   | Offered knowledge of Iskenderun's Battlesphere by Vehumet.
 28160 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 11 in Dodging
 29506 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 29667 | Orc:1    | Offered knowledge of Delayed Fireball by Vehumet.
 30642 | Orc:3    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 30657 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
 30737 | Orc:3    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 113/115 MP: 20/33
 30737 | Orc:3    | Offered knowledge of Bolt of Fire by Vehumet.
 30782 | Orc:3    | Learned a level 6 spell: Bolt of Fire
 31827 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 32177 | Orc:4    | Found Liotiy's Armour Emporium.
 32312 | Orc:4    | Found Klixzece's Magic Scroll Boutique.
 32363 | Orc:4    | Found Mimentisch's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
 32419 | Orc:4    | Bought a +2 cloak for 174 gold pieces
 32431 | Orc:4    | Found Two Skac's Assorted Antiques.
 32435 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of amnesia for 45 gold pieces
 32453 | Orc:4    | Bought a warped golden ring for 185 gold pieces
 32462 | Orc:4    | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
 32463 | Orc:4    | Identified the ring of Pleklykh {rPois rF-} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
 32634 | Orc:4    | Offered knowledge of Conjure Ball Lightning by Vehumet.
 32824 | Orc:4    | Noticed Maurice
 32868 | Orc:4    | Killed Maurice
 33033 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 33366 | D:12     | Noticed Sonja
 33369 | D:12     | Killed Sonja
 33754 | D:12     | Found Fracoc's Food Emporium.
 33765 | D:12     | Noticed Nessos
 33771 | D:12     | Killed Nessos
 34055 | D:12     | Noticed Urug
 34067 | D:12     | Killed Urug
 34664 | D:13     | Reached skill level 12 in Dodging
 34741 | D:13     | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
 34940 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 36560 | D:14     | Noticed Harold
 36566 | D:14     | Killed Harold
 36639 | D:14     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 37086 | D:14     | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 37335 | D:14     | Learned a level 7 spell: Orb of Destruction
 37619 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 37696 | D:15     | Noticed Erica
 37698 | D:15     | Killed Erica
 37966 | D:15     | Noticed Frances
 37984 | D:15     | Paralysed by a chaos spawn for 4 turns
 38320 | D:15     | Offered knowledge of Lehudib's Crystal Spear by Vehumet.
 38320 | D:15     | Offered knowledge of Fire Storm by Vehumet.
 38320 | D:15     | Offered knowledge of Tornado by Vehumet.
 38407 | D:15     | Noticed Azrael
 38459 | D:15     | Noticed Kirke
 38607 | D:15     | Killed Azrael
 38871 | D:15     | Gained mutation: Your magical and physical power is slightly enhanced at high health. [demonic ancestry]
 38871 | D:15     | Reached XP level 16. HP: 18/122 MP: 32/35
 39056 | D:15     | Killed Frances
 39126 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 39839 | D:15     | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 2 turns
 40553 | D:10     | Bought a +2 ring mail of magic resistance for 273 gold pieces
 40780 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 40991 | Snake:1  | Found Schiathri's Food Emporium.
 41857 | Snake:1  | Noticed Josephine
 41859 | Snake:1  | Killed Josephine
 42619 | Snake:2  | Reached skill level 13 in Dodging
 42805 | Snake:2  | Noticed Agnes
 42809 | Snake:2  | Killed Agnes
 42953 | Snake:2  | Got an ominously black robe
 42972 | Snake:2  | Identified the +1 robe "Apsiavocw" {Str+2 Int+2} (You found it on level 2 of the Snake Pit)
 42986 | Snake:2  | Noticed Wiglaf
 42994 | Snake:2  | Killed Wiglaf
 43425 | Snake:2  | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 43905 | Snake:3  | Noticed Nikola
 43917 | Snake:3  | Killed Nikola
 43934 | Snake:3  | Noticed Vashnia
 44528 | Snake:3  | Killed Vashnia
 44750 | Snake:3  | Found a gateway to a bazaar.
 44771 | Snake:3  | Reached XP level 17. HP: 117/128 MP: 36/36
 44780 | Bazaar   | Entered a bazaar
 44794 | Bazaar   | Found Pheemp's Weapon Shoppe.
 44838 | Bazaar   | Found Grat's Magic Scroll Emporium.
 44873 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of acquirement for 468 gold pieces
 44928 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of recharging for 85 gold pieces
 44928 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 49 gold pieces
 44928 | Bazaar   | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 27 gold pieces
 45690 | Snake:4  | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 46960 | Snake:5  | Entered Level 5 of the Snake Pit
 47469 | Shoals:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Shoals
 48232 | Shoals:1 | Noticed Donald
 48244 | Shoals:1 | Killed Donald
 48861 | Shoals:2 | Reached skill level 14 in Dodging
 51083 | Shoals:3 | Found Faadaak's Book Shop.
 51141 | Shoals:3 | Bought a book of Clouds for 585 gold pieces
 51155 | Shoals:3 | Learned a level 7 spell: Ring of Flames
 51610 | Shoals:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 52044 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 52352 | Elf:1    | Found Emeacwan's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 52443 | Elf:1    | Gained mutation: You have a pair of large horns on your head. [demonic ancestry]
 52443 | Elf:1    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 126/134 MP: 6/38
 54160 | Elf:2    | Got a scintillating platinum ring
 54175 | Elf:2    | Identified the ring of Circularity {Wiz rF+} (You took it off a deep elf conjurer on level 2 of the Elven Halls)
 55042 | Elf:2    | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
 55174 | Elf:3    | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
 55355 | Elf:3    | Noticed Roxanne
 55365 | Elf:3    | Killed Roxanne
 55372 | Elf:3    | Identified Roxanne's Grimoire of the Mutagenic Mountains (You took it off Roxanne on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 55485 | Elf:3    | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin
 56424 | Elf:3    | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 56464 | Elf:3    | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 56849 | Elf:3    | Gained mutation: You sometimes gain power by taking damage. [demonic ancestry]
 56849 | Elf:3    | Reached XP level 19. HP: 140/140 MP: 28/39
 56870 | Elf:3    | Got a fine swamp dragon armour
 56896 | Elf:3    | Identified the +6 swamp dragon armour of Listlessness {rPois SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 57483 | Elf:3    | Found Meuruc's Jewellery Shoppe.
 57492 | Elf:3    | Bought the ring of the Mage {Wiz MR++ Int+3} for 878 gold pieces
 58464 | Shoals:3 | Bought a book of Wizardry for 390 gold pieces
 58702 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste
 61861 | Snake:5  | Got a serpentine rune of Zot
 63240 | Shoals:4 | Found a frozen archway.
 63308 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 64399 | IceCv    | Got a heavily runed wooden ring
 64447 | Shoals:4 | Identified the ring "Chom" {rF+ Str+3 Int+4} (You found it in an ice cave)
 64504 | Shoals:4 | Gained mutation: You are powered by pain. [demonic ancestry]
 64504 | Shoals:4 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 139/160 MP: 33/39
 64842 | Shoals:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Shoals
 64848 | Shoals:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 65168 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Polyphemus
 65172 | Shoals:5 | Killed Polyphemus
 65191 | Shoals:4 | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
 65343 | Shoals:5 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
 65482 | Shoals:5 | Got a barnacled rune of Zot
 65577 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Asterion
 65583 | Shoals:5 | Killed Asterion
 65786 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Ilsuiw
 65791 | Shoals:5 | Killed Ilsuiw
 65987 | Shoals:5 | Noticed Saint Roka
 66054 | Shoals:5 | Killed Saint Roka
 67300 | Lair:2   | Learned a level 8 spell: Lehudib's Crystal Spear
 67406 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
 67861 | Vaults:1 | Found Sikh's Assorted Antiques.
 68828 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 70144 | Vaults:1 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of defeated enemies. [demonic ancestry]
 70144 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 144/172 MP: 2/40
 71080 | Vaults:2 | Identified the Compendium of Pyromania
 71385 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic
 71677 | Vaults:2 | Found Aluxuala's Magic Scroll Emporium.
 72185 | Vaults:3 | Reached skill level 15 in Conjurations
 72241 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Hall of Blades.
 72819 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Frederick
 73657 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
 74013 | Vaults:3 | Noticed Sojobo
 74024 | Vaults:3 | Killed Sojobo
 74136 | Vaults:3 | Killed Frederick
 75608 | Vaults:4 | Identified a +1 pair of boots of running (You acquired it on level 4 of the Vaults)
 75981 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 22. HP: 146/179 MP: 20/40
 76084 | Vaults:4 | Found Kyth's Antique Weapon Emporium.
 77719 | Shoals:3 | Bought a manual of Spellcasting for 1435 gold pieces
 78144 | Blade    | Entered the Hall of Blades
 78862 | Blade    | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting
 79903 | D:15     | Killed Kirke
 80015 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths
 80817 | Depths:1 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
 80820 | Depths:1 | Found Pacoan's Book Shop.
 80932 | Depths:1 | Reached skill level 17 in Spellcasting


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Whip              |     5 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     5
       Short sword       |     6 |     2 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     8
       Spear             |       |     5 |    95 |   272 |       |       |       |       ||   372
       Staff             |       |       |       |    12 |    22 |    18 |    38 |     9 ||    99
       Demon whip        |       |       |       |       |   357 |   246 |   329 |    61 ||   993
 Cast: Flame Tongue      |    72 |   140 |   292 |   741 |  1256 |   502 |   170 |       ||  3173
       Conjure Flame     |       |     1 |     1 |    12 |     2 |       |       |       ||    16
       Sticky Flame      |       |       |     9 |    66 |    63 |    27 |    45 |     5 ||   215
       Fireball          |       |       |     5 |    42 |   110 |   299 |   634 |   118 ||  1208
       Force Lance       |       |       |       |    15 |       |       |       |       ||    15
       Bolt of Magma     |       |       |       |    11 |    71 |       |       |       ||    82
       Iron Shot         |       |       |       |       |    51 |    55 |     5 |       ||   111
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |    18 |    71 |    67 |    11 ||   167
       Orb of Destructio |       |       |       |       |     8 |    15 |    18 |    28 ||    69
       Stoneskin         |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     2 |       ||     3
       Haste             |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     3 ||     4
       Ring of Flames    |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Lehudib's Crystal |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
 Abil: Evoke Flight      |       |       |       |       |       |     4 |     1 |       ||     5
       Evoke Invisibilit |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |     2 |     1 |     5 |       |     3 |       |       ||    11
       Fan of gales      |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     5 |     8 |     6 |    14 |    17 |    20 |    12 |     1 ||    83
       Potion            |       |     1 |       |     3 |     2 |       |     3 |     2 ||    11
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |       ||     3
       Invisible         |       |       |       |       |       |     4 |       |       ||     4


(In case you're wondering about me only having spellcasting training, It's because I found a manual of spellcasting which has just run out before I found the ring.)

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 02:22

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

No, keep wearing those rings and switch to vitality only for regeneration when safe.
rF+ and MR++ are more important for your characters since you don't have another source of rF+ and your MR is pretty low.

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 02:48

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Sandman25 wrote:No, keep wearing those rings and switch to vitality only for regeneration when safe.
rF+ and MR++ are more important for your characters since you don't have another source of rF+ and your MR is pretty low.

Yeah, that's what I figured. Is MR+++ really too low? I managed Elf with MR+++.

BTW the wiki has how PBD works wrong, it says it multiplies your regen rate but I've now found out that it actually adds 100*(number of corpses) to your regen. #badwiki :oops:

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 02:56

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Is MR+++ really too low?

no, it is fine, but you always want more mr

I managed Elf with MR+++.

don't do elf

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 03:04

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

I'd wear ring of vitality over rF+, Str+3 and Int+4.

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 03:13

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:don't do elf

Why not? It wasn't hard with this char and I found the Ring of the Mage and the +6 swamp dragon armour with SInv there so I'd say it was worth it.

Maybe if you're trying to maximise your high score you might avoid it because there's no rune and it's a waste of time or something (?), but I'm still fairly new to the game and I don't really care about highscores so much as just blasting some pansy elves :twisted:

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 03:20

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

well elf is really really dangerous and the loots are often unnecessary for winning

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 03:26

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

It's actually the other way around. If you want to maximize your high score, you ignore Elf and sometimes even Orcish Mines because they don't have runes.

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 03:30

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

elf never seems hard when you are winning because elves have no hp, but it is a good place to go if you want to die quickly, and blademasters are basically the same as orb guardians so if you are strong enough to clear it then you obviously don't need the loot to win

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 04:06

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

and into wrote:I'd wear ring of vitality over rF+, Str+3 and Int+4.

But the game keeps telling me I'm stupid when I take it off :lol:

I think maybe I'll switch when I can cast LCS a bit more reliably without it. I still have OoD for fire resistant enemies but it's a bit situational.

Sandman25 wrote:It's actually the other way around. If you want to maximize your high score, you ignore Elf and sometimes even Orcish Mines because they don't have runes.

That's exactly what I said ;)

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:elf never seems hard when you are winning because elves have no hp, but it is a good place to go if you want to die quickly, and blademasters are basically the same as orb guardians so if you are strong enough to clear it then you obviously don't need the loot to win


Yeah, I guess you're right.

Thanks for your advice everyone.

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 05:59

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

and into wrote:I'd wear ring of vitality over rF+, Str+3 and Int+4.

In depths/vaults:5 - without anything else giving you rF+? I mean I know this guy is a caster, but taking a couple of fireballs to the face hurts a surprising lot.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 06:28

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Bloax wrote:In depths/vaults:5 - without anything else giving you rF+? I mean I know this guy is a caster, but taking a couple of fireballs to the face hurts a surprising lot.


I would argue a character with these defensive (almost 200 HP, 37 AC, 22 EV) would have zero problems facing monsters using fire elemental attacks. But even if it did, how long does it really take to swap that ring on?
If you're arguing that pip of rF is necessary to survival, why are you not concerned with a pip of rC or rN? I really don't think the stages of the game you have mentioned have some sort of overwhelming amount of fire elemental attacks. +15 HP & Regen are going to be better in every single fight fire damage is not present.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 06:46

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Yeah there is a lot of elemental damage flying around and I do think rF is somewhat more important than rC and rN. Nonetheless, +15 HP and regen is great in every battle, while rF+ is helpful only maybe 1/4 of encounters at this point. Everything that rF can help protect you against are things that require LOF, while +15 HP and regen helps you against all situations in which you are damaged. So overall I'd wear that. If I open a door to a bunch of fire dudes or something, it is just one aut to switch.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 06:59

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

and into wrote:If I open a door to a bunch of fire dudes or something, it is just one aut to switch.

Close the door first. Then it doesn't matter how many auts it is.

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 07:02

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Patashu wrote:
and into wrote:If I open a door to a bunch of fire dudes or something, it is just one aut to switch.

Close the door first. Then it doesn't matter how many auts it is.


Well naturally, yes, close door first. Then if I want to fight them, switch. If the fire dudes can open doors it does matter how many auts it is.

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 11:27

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

It is safer to explore with rF+ than with +15 HP, you can always switch to the vitality when hurt unless we are talking about early dungeon where you can be one-shot. Hopefully my comment makes more sense this time :)

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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 12:25

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Re: Elf, I disagree with "don't do Elf", but definitely keep in mind that Elf:3 in particular can be incredibly dangerous, and can get out of control quickly. Make sure you have a clear plan for dealing with elves without giving them turns in LOS, and be ready for situations that rival Vaults:5. There are circumstances where I do Elf, but it's definitely not necessary in most cases.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 13:44

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Sandman25 wrote:It's actually the other way around. If you want to maximize your high score, you ignore Elf and sometimes even Orcish Mines because they don't have runes.

I would disagree if you are playing only to get the highest score possible and are something other than a stabber.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 14:09

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

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Sandman25 wrote:It's actually the other way around. If you want to maximize your high score, you ignore Elf and sometimes even Orcish Mines because they don't have runes.

I would disagree if you are playing only to get the highest score possible and are something other than a stabber.

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<Sequell> 608507. Yermak, XL22 SpEn, T:26400: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Ye ... 181253.txt

If you look at his history he skipped Orc+Elf. So you don't need to do them for a sweet high score.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 14:35

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Patashu wrote:
tabstorm wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:It's actually the other way around. If you want to maximize your high score, you ignore Elf and sometimes even Orcish Mines because they don't have runes.

I would disagree if you are playing only to get the highest score possible and are something other than a stabber.

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<Sequell> 608507. Yermak, XL22 SpEn, T:26400: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Ye ... 181253.txt

If you look at his history he skipped Orc+Elf. So you don't need to do them for a sweet high score.


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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 14:44

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

What is the connection between stabbing, high scores and Elf? I'm lost.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 14:48

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Magipi wrote:What is the connection between stabbing, high scores and Elf? I'm lost.


If you are aiming for, for instance, a racial highscore, it's often beneficial to go to Elf at a low XP level, since the XP and items you gain there may help you to go through the remainder of the game faster. A character like SpEn dosen't really need the items or experience, so you don't benefit from doing Elf. Also, you can't really do the vault as quickly as a melee character or FE, since the tougher elves have high MR, and you can't set up a tunnel to kill enemies in as effectively, since you probably will have weak melee skill at that time (and even if not, it will be hard to bring the elves to where you want, because you will literally be too stealthy).
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 18:09

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Did elf on a formicid fighter with 64 AC 12 EV and 36 Shield, ran into Aizul and preceded to get owned and killed by poison spam.
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Post Thursday, 1st May 2014, 23:09

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

shizmoo wrote:Did elf on a formicid fighter with 64 AC 12 EV and 36 Shield, ran into Aizul and preceded to get owned and killed by poison spam.

EV reasons

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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 02:12

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

well EV is not good when you are asleep
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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 02:25

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

duvessa wrote:well EV is not good when you are asleep

Believe it or not, Sleep has no EV penalty for the player:

1)
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bool player::cannot_move() const
{
    return paralysed() || petrified();
}


2)
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// Total EV for player using the revised 0.6 evasion model.
int player_evasion(ev_ignore_type evit)
{
    const int size_factor = _player_evasion_size_factor();
    // Repulsion fields and size are all that matters when paralysed or
    // at 0 dex.
    if ((you.cannot_move() || you.stat_zero[STAT_DEX] || you.form == TRAN_TREE)
        && !(evit & EV_IGNORE_HELPLESS))
    {
        const int paralysed_base_ev = 2 + size_factor / 2;
        const int repulsion_ev = _player_para_evasion_bonuses(evit);
        return max(1, paralysed_base_ev + repulsion_ev);
    }

    ...snip...
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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 04:59

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Patashu wrote:
shizmoo wrote:Did elf on a formicid fighter with 64 AC 12 EV and 36 Shield, ran into Aizul and preceded to get owned and killed by poison spam.

EV reasons


Stupid reasons. Dropped all my scrolls and pots by stairs. Didn't want them to burn or shatter and figured nothing is a match for me on Elf 1 and 2 which is all I wanted to explore not 3. I had decent res and made sure to only 1v1 peeps. Came across him and popped Heroism figuring these will be fast. Nope, I didn't even dent him for some reason like he had 60 EV or something while My whole bar was yellow from poison. Can't do much about 12 EV when you wear crystal plate or any plate armour as a melee.
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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 05:03

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

shizmoo wrote:
Patashu wrote:
shizmoo wrote:Did elf on a formicid fighter with 64 AC 12 EV and 36 Shield, ran into Aizul and preceded to get owned and killed by poison spam.

EV reasons


Stupid reasons. Dropped all my scrolls and pots by stairs. Didn't want them to burn or shatter and figured nothing is a match for me on Elf 1 and 2 which is all I wanted to explore not 3. I had decent res and made sure to only 1v1 peeps. Came across him and popped Heroism figuring these will be fast. Nope, I didn't even dent him for some reason like he had 60 EV or something while My whole bar was yellow from poison. Can't do much about 12 EV when you wear crystal plate or any plate armour as a melee.

Actually if you're wearing plate/cpa (and your strength is good enough? I think?) after your dodging skill hits a 'magic breakpoint' you start having EV added as fast as if you were in leather, so it's a great end game investment. (I don't know how to calculate the magic breakpoint, but it's 10-15ish in my experience)
Also, Aizul has 8/18 defenses - IIRC he's comparable to a deep elf blademaster in terms of toughness to kill.

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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 05:08

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

shizmoo wrote:nothing is a match for me on Elf 1 and 2 which is all I wanted to explore not 3

Vault elves will happily spawn on E:1 and 2, they're just rare.

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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 11:57

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Patashu wrote:Believe it or not, Sleep has no EV penalty for the player

I shouldn't even be surprised at this point

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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 12:04

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 12:05

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

dck wrote:
Patashu wrote:Believe it or not, Sleep has no EV penalty for the player

I shouldn't even be surprised at this point

Also:
-If you paralyze/petrify/petrifying/sleep a monster, in melee it loses all AC:
--But at range, no change!
--But if it has phase shift active (blink frogs, The enchantress, Vashnia), even though player phase shift doesn't stop working during para/petrify, it's stopped for melee as well!
-You have a 5 EV penalty in melee during any 'delay' besides autoexplore/autotravel/run, including 'leaving' phase of taking stairs, eating and swapping equipment (also 10 against invisible enemy and 3 while constricted)
-You can speak while asleep (I'm not sure there's any application for this but there's an amusing comment about 'allowing sleeptalking') and asleep confused monsters wander as though confused (the game calls it 'sleepwalking' on examination)
-Monsters get a 2.5x damage multiplier 'stab' against you if you're asleep, and this is the only way to die to a real bat's melee as a deep dwarf

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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 12:26

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Patashu wrote:-You can speak while asleep (I'm not sure there's any application for this but there's an amusing comment about 'allowing sleeptalking')


Perhaps shoutis can trigger while asleep.
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Post Friday, 2nd May 2014, 12:46

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Sandman25 wrote:
Patashu wrote:-You can speak while asleep (I'm not sure there's any application for this but there's an amusing comment about 'allowing sleeptalking')


Perhaps shoutis can trigger while asleep.

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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 16:34

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Since this has derailed massively, I'd argue that Elf3, if you can take bossElves one-on-one is pretty, if not 100%, manageable. You just need to dig a proper corridor - two criss-crossing lines that break LoS except for one square. Then lure Elves through shouting and the such and destroy them one on one. I've not died to Elf3 since I saw someone do this.

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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 17:59

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

I just wanted to say that HP is the best resistance in the game (rDeath in fact), so having more of it is always a good thing. I can't think of any ring I'd rather wear over Vitality.

If it were me I'd remove the rF ring and use it on a swap with Wiz/MR.

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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 18:03

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Shaolin and Robustness (but even a +5ish ac/ev), any good slaying/enhancer ;)
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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 18:36

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Vitality is amazing on any character but -perhaps- high level Trolls. And maybe DDs since they get nothing from the regen part. Idk. I'd wear it anyway. It's awesome.

I remember a game playing MuFi of Oka and having a ring of regen and the Ring of Vitality... Then dying to that fiery girl with her hell knights around D:20. Still had rF- by that point... :P
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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 19:43

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

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This is like the DCSS equivalent of one of those "silly laws that you won't believe are still technically in effect" websites. If you and Siegurt and some of the other source divers started a page in CYC covering this stuff I would sticky it. :)

nago wrote:Shaolin and Robustness (but even a +5ish ac/ev), any good slaying/enhancer ;)


I agree that ring of vitality isn't necessarily the best ring, but it is up there. I think I'd usually prefer it even to +5 protection or evasion, but I could see some characters preferring the damage mitigation to +HP and regen. And a high slaying bonus is always hard to pass up, of course.

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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 19:44

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

15HP > 8 AC or 8 EV.

Nice slaying is more arguable since killing things faster is the best way of not taking damage, but short of like 0/9 slaying ring while using a dwhip I think I'd go vitality still.

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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 21:00

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

Vitality is the most overrated item in the game IMHO.
For 200 HP character it adds 7.5% HP. It's less than difference between rF+++ and rF++.
If you lose 30 damage per hit, you need 7 attacks to die so the ring is equivalent of -2 damage per attack, it is +4 ring of protection. Ring of evasion is even more superior, because if your +6 EV allows to avoid even one of these 7 attacks, you have just saved 30 HP.

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Post Monday, 5th May 2014, 22:26

Re: Should I wear Ring of Vitality?

If it takes four or more attacks to kill you, then ring of robustness will prevent more damage than ring of vitality gains you hp (4 attacks vs 8 more AC is 16 less damage on average). The regen means vitality adds another 2 hp every 5 turns, but if you are getting attacked even a single time per ten turns then robustness saves as much HP as the regen gains you (1 attack vs 8 more AC is 4 less damage on average)

So in most situations where it takes more than four attacks to kill you, robustness is better than vitality for survivability. The exceptions are attacks that do not use your AC value in a typical way, or elemental attacks when you have a resistance, or attacks that deal 0 damage an appreciable amount of the time even before robustness's AC (since you cannot deal negative damage in crawl). I would suggest the last situation is meaningless since you are not going to die in either case.

Comparing Shaolin vs Vitality is not as straightforward, but I would suggest that again it is better in a majority of situations.

Of course if you find ring of vitality early on, it is exceptionally good, especially for low-hp races. But since it is an artefact this is a very rare situation.

For the character in the OP I would wear the wiz ring and either vitality or the str/int ring.

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