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I'm pretty sure it was at least in DCSS 0.4 or 0.5, as I am pretty sure I remember getting it on Ds before and late 0.4, just before release of 0.5, is when I started playing.

"Your demonic ancestry asserts itself... You can now cast a level 2 spell, uh... Demonically!"

(Not the actual flavor text but should have been.)

Funny. Incidentally, I decided to start a thread on CYC for the discussion of when people started playing the game. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11950&p=167222#p167222

I wanted to say, this is what I've decided about Iron Shot vs. Crystal Spear.

For most things I prefer Iron Shot. It's way cheaper, especially in terms of food (for me right now Iron Shot has no food cost, while Crystal Spear is worth #####.) and does almost as much damage.

However, for things that are really important, like taking on Pan Lords or the enemies in Zot:5, Crystal Spear is superior. Against an Ancient Lich my Crystal Spear kills them in two hits, while Iron shot kills in 3 or 4, and with an enemy as dangerous as an Ancient Lich that can mean a lot.

Basically, I would say that Iron Shot is better as a common use spell, but when it really matters Crystal Spear is the way to go.

Also, I'm currently at 24 Conjurations and 27 Earth Magic, so yeah.

Senban wrote:what impact does flying everywhere have on your hunger rate?

Maybe a better way to put this is: when flight is available, assuming no enemies who you suspect can cast Airstrike are visible is there any reason not to use it?

Senban wrote:
Senban wrote:what impact does flying everywhere have on your hunger rate?

Maybe a better way to put this is: when flight is available, assuming no enemies who you suspect can cast Airstrike are visible is there any reason not to use it?

Not really, no. The ONLY downside to flying is susceptibility to Airstrike.

Knight9910 wrote:
Senban wrote:
Senban wrote:what impact does flying everywhere have on your hunger rate?

Maybe a better way to put this is: when flight is available, assuming no enemies who you suspect can cast Airstrike are visible is there any reason not to use it?

Not really, no. The ONLY downside to flying is susceptibility to Airstrike.

Wind drake breath, white drac breath also

Not really. Wind blast doesn't do any extra damage, nor does flying increase the risk of getting knocked back by it. If anything it's better to be flying there because you can't get pushed back into lava or water or something.

Knight9910 wrote:Not really. Wind blast doesn't do any extra damage, nor does flying increase the risk of getting knocked back by it. If anything it's better to be flying there because you can't get pushed back into lava or water or something.

Knockback will not push you back into a lethal hazard unless there's some sort of bug in play. If it happens, report it.

Gonna discourage Chei.
I had a GarChei mage and, well, it got Nessos-OHK'ed.

KoboldLord wrote:
Knight9910 wrote:Not really. Wind blast doesn't do any extra damage, nor does flying increase the risk of getting knocked back by it. If anything it's better to be flying there because you can't get pushed back into lava or water or something.

Knockback will not push you back into a lethal hazard unless there's some sort of bug in play. If it happens, report it.

That's good to know.

Klown wrote:Gonna discourage Chei.
I had a GarChei mage and, well, it got Nessos-OHK'ed.

You were unlucky IMHO. He usually gets to almost dead after a single Slouch so is not very dangerous.

crate wrote:
Knight9910 wrote:
Senban wrote:what impact does flying everywhere have on your hunger rate?
Maybe a better way to put this is: when flight is available, assuming no enemies who you suspect can cast Airstrike are visible is there any reason not to use it?

Not really, no. The ONLY downside to flying is susceptibility to Airstrike.

Wind drake breath, white drac breath also

Let's add to the list! If you're a merfolk and you found fancy flying boots in the shoals, DO NOT PUT THEM ON. I don't care if they're +2 and your old boots are +0. Bad Tasonir.

Merfolks swim at .6 speed, but fly over water at 1. Also Ev, blah blah blah. Yeah, it's an edge case.

tasonir wrote:Let's add to the list! If you're a merfolk and you found fancy flying boots in the shoals, DO NOT PUT THEM ON. I don't care if they're +2 and your old boots are +0. Bad Tasonir.

Merfolks swim at .6 speed, but fly over water at 1. Also Ev, blah blah blah. Yeah, it's an edge case.

Well, you can put them on, just don't evoke flight with them. Or at least don't evoke flight with them for dealing with water.

Assuming wiki is accurate,

Iron shot is 9d(1.66 + P/12), which averages 12 + 0.375 * P damage, or 2 + 0.0625 * P damage per mana point.

LCS is 10d(2.33 + P/10), which averages 16.7 + 0.500 * P damage, or 2.08 + 0.0625 * P damage per mana point.

where P is spell power. Thus, LCS is actually the more mana efficient spell when not overkilling the enemy. (this analysis neglects miscast rates and spell accuracy)

But hunger is a factor too. Iron Shot can be reduced to 0 hunger cost. Crystal Spear can not.

1. spell hunger doesn't really matter to that degree
2. you can reduce LCS hunger to 0 (int*spellcasting >= 860), i am not sure what kind of ridiculous liar told you that you can't

duvessa wrote:2. you can reduce LCS hunger to 0 (int*spellcasting >= 860), i am not sure what kind of ridiculous liar told you that you can't

Experience?

At 27 Spellcasting you'd need 31 Int to do that... which, I guess it's possible in extended.

Knight9910 wrote:At 27 Spellcasting you'd need 31 Int to do that... which, I guess it's possible in extended.

Well, if you find and are willing to wear +int equipment, it's quite possible to get +40 int. Then you don't have to max Spellcasting. (My 3-runer HOWz had Int 38 and Spellcasting 23.)

more to the point, you don't need to reduce lcs hunger to 0 in order to cast lcs

Its been 3-4 weeks since I last played but there was a.. I believe staff of energy that could be wielded and it removed all spell hunger. Even for spell I had no business attempting to cast yet.

Knight9910 wrote:
tasonir wrote:Let's add to the list! If you're a merfolk and you found fancy flying boots in the shoals, DO NOT PUT THEM ON. I don't care if they're +2 and your old boots are +0. Bad Tasonir.

Merfolks swim at .6 speed, but fly over water at 1. Also Ev, blah blah blah. Yeah, it's an edge case.

Well, you can put them on, just don't evoke flight with them. Or at least don't evoke flight with them for dealing with water.

They auto-evoke whenever put on, and unmelding is a form of putting on.

duvessa wrote:more to the point, you don't need to reduce lcs hunger to 0 in order to cast lcs

Well, technically you don't need to have any more than 8 MP and at least a 99% spell failure rate to cast LCS.

Here's a more appropriate comparison:

Reducing a spell's hunger cost to 0 before casting it is like reducing a spell's failure rate to 0% before casting it.

(Even then the analogy is not perfect because failure rate is nearly always more important anyways.)

Starting as book background and not casting any spells as long as they cause non-zero hunger could be the most silly/challenging thing to do.

Sandman25 wrote:Starting as book background and not casting any spells as long as they cause non-zero hunger could be the most silly/challenging thing to do.

I think my SpVM 3 rune win was more or less this because I was petrified of using up nutrition as an Sp back then XD

Patashu wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:Starting as book background and not casting any spells as long as they cause non-zero hunger could be the most silly/challenging thing to do.

I think my SpVM 3 rune win was more or less this because I was petrified of using up nutrition as an Sp back then XD

As Sp I was throwing darts at almost dead monsters because I knew that melee attacks cost 3 nutrition points

Found the staff I mentioned earlier. Staff of Energy

Sandman25 wrote:
Patashu wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:Starting as book background and not casting any spells as long as they cause non-zero hunger could be the most silly/challenging thing to do.

I think my SpVM 3 rune win was more or less this because I was petrified of using up nutrition as an Sp back then XD

As Sp I was throwing darts at almost dead monsters because I knew that melee attacks cost 3 nutrition points

Hahaha I forgot that exists

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