Orc priests

[Sphara]

I've encounter many terrible monsters on D:1 like giant frogs and halberd gnolls. But is it possible to orc priest to spawn on D:1 if one's turncount is below 700 or 1000 or whatever it is to trigger ood timer? Never seen one to this day but that wouldn't be fair in any way. Please tell me it is not POSSIBLE.

[dck]

I once met an orc wizard as my first enemy so I'm guessing the chance exists.
Trog was very happy with me that day.

[Tedronai]

Just for you:

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1980-gca903ef (tiles) character file.

72 DgCj the Ruinous (level 2, 0/20 HPs)
             Began as a Demigod Conjurer on Jan 27, 2014.
             Slain by an orc wizard
             ... wielding a +0,+1 orcish dagger
              (5 damage)
             ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:04:18 (1242 turns).

DgCj the Ruinous (Demigod Conjurer)                 Turns: 1242, Time: 00:04:18

HP   0/20        AC  2     Str 12      XL: 2   Next: 84%
MP   2/4         EV 13     Int 19      God:
Gold 42          SH  0     Dex 16      Spells:  1 memorised,  3 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .     l - +0 dagger
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     a - +0 robe
rNeg   + . .     Conserve .     (no shield)
rPois  .         rCorr    .     (no helmet)
rElec  .         rRot     .     (no cloak)
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Warding  .     (no boots)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     (no amulet)
MR     .....                    (no ring)
                                d - ring of positive energy {unknown}

@: not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: no striking features
a: no special abilities


You were on level 1 of the Dungeon.
You were not hungry.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 1 of its levels.

You collected 42 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 l - a +0,+0 dagger (weapon)
Missiles
 g - 10 darts (quivered)
 h - 40 stones
Armour
 a - a +0 robe (worn)
Comestibles
 b - 2 bread rations
 i - an apple
 m - a rotting chunk of jackal flesh
 n - a choko
 p - a rotting chunk of bat flesh
Scrolls
 e - a scroll of enchant weapon II {unknown}
 f - a scroll of remove curse {unknown}
 j - 2 scrolls of magic mapping {unknown}
 q - a scroll of identify {unknown}
Jewellery
 d - a ring of positive energy (left hand) {unknown}
Potions
 k - 2 potions of lignification {unknown}
Books
 c - a book of Conjurations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
   Searing Ray                        Conjuration                  2
   Dazzling Spray                     Conjuration/Hexes            3
   Iskenderun's Mystic Blast          Conjuration                  4
   Iskenderun's Battlesphere          Conjuration/Charms           4
   Fulminant Prism                    Conjuration/Hexes            5


   Skills:
 + Level 2.4 Dodging
 - Level 1.7 Stealth
 - Level 1.7 Spellcasting
 * Level 4.2 Conjurations


You had 3 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ###.         3%          1    #......


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (1/16)

Message History

You can't see any susceptible monsters within range! (Use Z to cast anyway.)
You barely miss something.
You hear some strange, mumbled words.
The magic dart hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
An orc priest comes into view. It is wielding an orcish mace.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
You hear some strange, mumbled words.
You are confused.
The orc priest shouts!
Something barely misses you.
You miss something. Something barely misses you.
An orc wizard comes into view. It is wielding an orcish dagger.
Ouch!
You feel less confused.
Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You hit something but do no damage. Something hits you.
You die...

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##...###...#     #.#.........#


You could see an orc priest and an orc wizard.

Vanquished Creatures
  A giant gecko (D:1)
  A bat (D:1)
  2 goblins (D:1)
  4 hobgoblins (D:1)
  4 jackals (D:1)
  2 ball pythons (D:1)
  2 giant cockroaches (D:1)
  3 giant newts (D:1)
  5 kobolds (D:1)
  2 rats (D:1)
26 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | DgCj, the Demigod Conjurer, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3
   288 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/20 MP: 1/4
   777 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations
  1242 | D:1      | Slain by an orc wizard


Action                   || total
-------------------------++-------
Melee: Dagger            ||    37
       Unarmed           ||     1
Throw: Dart              ||    73
 Cast: Magic Dart        ||    30

Vault maps used:
D:1:      tarquinn_simple_flora_water_b


The message log states that an orc priest was around too (timer triggered however).

[crate]

if one's turncount is below 700 or 1000 or whatever it is to trigger ood timer?

i'm pretty sure the "ood timer" doesn't work that way

[Sphara]

Well the chance that orc priest can appear on D:1 should be removed. If there is any.
for crate: i have absolutely no knowledge when ood spawn starts to be likely to trigger. Just wanted to know if it is possible for that kinda of a one-shotter to appear on the first level regardless of the turncount.

[and into]

Well the chance that orc priest can appear on D:1 should be removed. If there is any.
for crate: i have absolutely no knowledge when ood spawn starts to be likely to trigger. Just wanted to know if it is possible for that kinda of a one-shotter to appear on the first level regardless of the turncount.

I dunno, maybe. To put things in perspective, though, I'd wager that weapon of electrocution or distortion spawn on D1 being picked up by the first kobold / (hob)goblin is more common, and I would definitely feel that those situations are more unfair and more annoying than an orc priest would be.

[dck]

You are warned when something has a possibly branded weapon, seems good to me.

[crate]

My understanding is the "ood timer" "triggers" on turn 0. Chance just goes up as more time passes.

edit: well there is another thing that it does, which is generate super-out-of-depth monsters, and I have no idea how that one works. But orc priest is not in that group.

[adozu]

it warns you about branded weapons *now*, i remember a character of mine ending something like this:

a goblin comes into view. it is wielding a glowing dagger.

*it's probably just a cursed dagger right?*

the goblin hits you!
you feel drained!
you die...

on my 0xp fresh character.

[and into]

You are warned when something has a possibly branded weapon, seems good to me.

Oh yeah, I don't think it is a problem, I'd just say that those situations are way more common and arguably worse than (or about as bad as) some of the other spawns being complained about.

[sanka]

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43 sanka the Stinger (level 2, 0/11 HPs)
             Began as a Felid Venom Mage on Jan 22, 2014.
             Shot with an arrow by a centaur (11 damage)
             ... on Level 1 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:01:41 (1156 turns).

I hate centaurs much more than orc priests, because 1. they are faster than you 2. they shoot every turn while orc priests tend not to overuse smite.

In this game I used autoexplore, which seems to be stupid on D1 if you want to win.

[Sphara]

Just asked if someone knew if it is possible them to spawn. When playing a low HP race that is kind of an issue.
I already know not to engage against monsters with glowing weapons on D:1 but i never seeked advice for that. Pretty sure those things kill many unwary players.
Maybe I'm just worrying too much.. and by the way the morgues you guys sent here.. both of you had over 1000 turns spent on D:1

[Tedronai]

and by the way the morgues you guys sent here.. both of you had over 1000 turns spent on D:1

Yeah but the thing is: If you heal up let's say 3 times on D:1 and use auto-explore you get a turncount like that (dependent on how AE chooses to approach the level). Thus, if a player heals up after every fight and wants to explore every level he can easily encounter an orc band on D:1...

[Klown]

I saw a horde of Orcs on D:1 before. It may have been a vault.

[Sphara]

Tedronai: I do know that and never asked advice for that situation. Just read my first post.
Early out-of-depth monsters are terrifying, yes. But what can you do if you see an orc priest as a, let's say XL1 spriggan wizard? On D:1. If it smites (and it most likely will), it's an instadeath.

[zogre]

Tedronai: I do know that and never asked advice for that situation. Just read my first post.
Early out-of-depth monsters are terrifying, yes. But what can you do if you see an orc priest as a, let's say XL1 spriggan wizard? On D:1. If it smites (and it most likely will), it's an instadeath.

What you can do as a spriggan, is as soon as you see the priest, turn and run away. Your natural stealth very likely allows you to go unnoticed, and your natural speed lets you get away before he can act, most of the time. If you were holding down a movement key and he gets a 'free' shot at you, it was not crawl's fault...

Orc priests are bad news when you have less than 17hp - but I wouldn't call them an instadeath.

[siprus]

Anyway it's rare enough to not really matter, especially considering little investment you've got in your character in dungeon one. (unless you find golden dragon armor with ogre or similar kind of goodies, but you know what they say easy come easy go.)