Just want to say a HUGE thank you to wiki contributors

[AzuredreamsXT]

Seriously, you guys just rock. The wiki for this game is massive, detailed, looks great and so very helpful. Cheers

[I want to believe]

Seriously, you guys just rock. The wiki for this game is massive, detailed, looks great and so very helpful. Cheers

Most people on the tavern dislike the wiki, as it is edited by many-a-foolish young crawler. A lot of the information on there is either out of date or false. Hopefully one day it will be completely reliable.

[mopl]

Seriously, you guys just rock. The wiki for this game is massive, detailed, looks great and so very helpful. Cheers

While reading the title, I hoped it to be ironical...

Of course there is a lot of information, but the forum is really more accurate

[Klown]

Specific/more complex questions are better answered on the forum. Basic stuff like checking a Deep Dwarf's earth apt is a bit easier with the wiki.

[damiac]

Seriously, you guys just rock. The wiki for this game is massive, detailed, looks great and so very helpful. Cheers

While reading the title, I hoped it to be ironical...

Of course there is a lot of information, but the forum is really more accurate

I disagree

The forum may have more accurate information, somewhere, but it's mixed right in with all the inaccurate nonsense and bad advice.
At least the wiki generally tells you if it's outdated info. And the wiki can be changed to remove the bad info, and make it good info. The forum can't really be changed to prevent inaccurate posting.

The wiki was pretty useful for learning the game, but I will say the character guides are pretty much worthless

[mopl]

For specific infos I use the wiki, like weapon speed...

But mainly Knowledge Bot + advised reading of the forum are enough

[AzuredreamsXT]

Knowledge bot?

[some12fat2move]

http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots

[duvessa]

Honestly the Tavern and CrawlWiki are both extremely unreliable and overall pretty bad sources for pretty much anything having to do with Crawl. Unlike many other games (such as NetHack), DCSS does not have any remotely well-maintained resources for learning about the game, and if you want a sure answer to a question you pretty much have to either ask one of a very small group of people (who may simply refuse to answer your question) or find it yourself by reading the source code.

[archaeo]

On the plus side, Crawl's oral tradition puts you in contact with a wide cast of fascinating Internet people!

[pickled_heretic]

I appreciate and use the wiki but it has a lot of sketchy information. Use it but maintain a level of skepticism, more or less the same as you use any user generated content like Wikipedia.

[AzuredreamsXT]

Yea I mean I'm a total newb to crawl, but I feel like people are being a bit hard on the wiki. People are clearly putting a good deal of effort into it (they should be thanked for this), and I'm getting the sense that it's far from perfect, but that effort is definitely appreciated and so far for me, it has helped much more than it has hindered.

[crate]

Well the big problem is, even if you ignore all the advice (which is sketchy at best, in general, and in particular it focuses on the wrong things (strategy instead of tactics) but this is a common failing) then the factual information is still something that you cannot tell if it is correct or not. Probably it is correct more often than not (I don't go there).

The learndb is pretty good for the current stable version if you check entries that are actually used by other people, though it also has problems with old entries sometimes (for instance I just this week updated ??deck of dungeons to reflect the fact two of its cards have been removed, despite that happening like 2 versions ago).

[jsmith]

Can people post some examples of incorrect factual information. From what I have seen so far it has all been stuff that a new player would not deal with starting out.

I do appreciate it. And think it helps much more than hinders.

[stickyfingers]

These aren't too severe, but I just noticed that recently:

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Nemelex

  Code:

Deal Four: Select a non-stacked deck in your inventory and draw four cards from it in a single turn. If the deck has insufficient cards, you draw the missing cards from a deck of punishment. If any cards remain, the deck is destroyed. (Costs 8 MP, 200-400 Food, and 10-15 Piety)

The Curse: Curse several items in your inventory (including potions, which turn into potions of decay).
The Tomb: Each unoccupied tile around you is replaced by a rock wall. You'll probably need a way to dig or teleport to get out.
Damnation: A monster in your LOS is banished to the Abyss. If there's no monster, you are banished instead.

You only get one card from Punishment if there's less than 4, not "missing ones".
Potions don't turn into decay.
Tomb walls disappear after something like 100 turns, so you don't need any digging.
You can be banished by Damnation even with monsters in sight.

[battaile]

You can be banished by Damnation even with monsters in sight.

Yeah, I learned this one the hard way.

[moocowmoocow]

You can be banished by Damnation even with monsters in sight.

Yeah, I learned this one the hard way.

Me too lol. Damnit wiki.

[mikee]

https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7575&p=102656#p102656

For me, the wiki as an entity is the single greatest barrier for helping new players understand the game.

[damiac]

That's unfair. The wiki may be lacking on some finer details, but it's got a hell of a lot more info than you get in game. And just taking every little question to this forum wouldn't work.

Want to see what that god will do for you? The wiki's a good place to check.
Want to see a table of weapons? The wiki's good for that, although those details may change from release to trunk.
Want to know a good strategy to get your specific character 15 runes? Do not go to the wiki. Go here, and hope you pick the correct advice from the pile of conflicting advice you receive. But that's forums for you.

[mikee]

People like you are probably the second greatest barrier because your primary interest is always in winning some argument rather than helping people, and the advice you give is almost always wrong in some way because you take zero time to actually think about or test it. So I end up having to compete with really weird preconceptions that someone got or a bunch of rabid noise over nothing.

[Tiktacy]

Seriously, you guys just rock. The wiki for this game is massive, detailed, looks great and so very helpful. Cheers

Most people on the tavern dislike the wiki, as it is edited by many-a-foolish young crawler. A lot of the information on there is either out of date or false. Hopefully one day it will be completely reliable.

This is actually wrong, most of it is up to date and is likely edited by code divers.

The fact that people hate the wiki seems silly to me. You can obviously get better advice in the tavern, but that's a given.

[Brannock]

"likely"?

[and into]

This is actually wrong, most of it is up to date and is likely edited by code divers.

The fact that people hate the wiki seems silly to me. You can obviously get better advice in the tavern, but that's a given.

"likely"?

Also: can

Small words that make a big difference.

[dck]

"there's this place with crawl advice, obviously you get better advice from the tavern but why do you hate it?"

[Arrhythmia]

"there's this place with crawl advice, obviously you get better advice from the tavern but why do you hate it?"

No no, don't worry, there's a NON-ZERO chance that that first place has advice from people who have looked at the code!

[savageorange]

The problem of the wiki is not that it's wrong all the time.

It's that it's right enough of the time while being significantly wrong the rest of the time. That makes it untrustworthy.

(also, that when it is substantially wrong, it is often wrong in a way that a newbie will never notice.)