Weapon Speed / Spellcasting Questions

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 03:59 by Grujah

I'm running a MiGl (for staves) of Okawaru, and this one is actually going well.
I have a +3+3 Quaterstaff of Speed, and my staves skill is 15.
What I am wondering is does Finesse increase my attack speed further (cuz it is "blindingly fast") and if yes, how much?

Other question is, I got some Hex spellbooks that seem nice. How much spellcasting do I need to be able to learn some of those spells? Does it pay out at all?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13.1 (tiles) character file. Roko the Stickfighter (Minotaur Gladiator) Turns: 15797, Time: 01:00:18 HP 86/92 AC 20 Str 22 XL: 11 Next: 89% MP 14/14 EV 6 Int 5 God: Okawaru [*****.] Gold 1039 SH 0 Dex 12 Spells: 0 memorised, 16 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : . i - +3 quarterstaff (speed) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . F - +2 orc plate armour {rF+} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . y - +0 wizard hat {MR+} Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . W - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : + Stasis : . M - +2 pair of boots Res.Rott. : . Flight : . v - amulet of resist mutation Saprovore : . . . (no ring) (no ring) @: heavily drained, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is extremely pleased with you. You are very hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 15 of its levels. You have collected 1832 gold pieces. You have spent 813 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +2,+3 quarterstaff g - a +2,+1 quarterstaff of protection i - a +3,+3 quarterstaff of speed (weapon) Missiles d - 2 throwing nets (quivered) Armour c - a +1 cap u - a dwarven buckler y - a +0 wizard hat of magic resistance (worn) F - a +2 orcish plate armour of fire resistance (worn) M - a +2 pair of boots (worn) W - a +0 cloak (worn) Magical devices k - a wand of slowing {zapped: 6} l - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 3} n - a wand of lightning {zapped: 6} t - a wand of lightning {empty} w - a wand of slowing {zapped: 5} I - a wand of paralysis (0) N - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 2} T - a wand of cold {zapped: 2} V - a wand of flame {zapped: 2} Comestibles f - 8 bread rations z - 7 meat rations U - 2 pears Scrolls e - 2 scrolls of teleportation h - a scroll of identify j - 6 scrolls of fog m - 2 scrolls of recharging r - a scroll of magic mapping G - a scroll of immolation L - a scroll of silence P - 3 scrolls of blinking S - a scroll of amnesia Jewellery v - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck) D - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit O - the amulet "Ghoriz" {Stasis rF+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) [amulet of stasis] It protects you from fire. Potions o - 2 potions of speed p - 4 potions of curing x - a potion of invisibility A - a potion of agility J - a potion of mutation Books b - a book of Hinderance Spells Type Level Confusing Touch Hexes 1 Slow Hexes 2 Confuse Hexes 3 Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 Metabolic Englaciation Hexes/Ice 6 s - Sif Muna's Guide on Hexes (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level Confusing Touch Hexes 1 C - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 E - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level Magic Dart Conjuration 1 Blink Translocation 2 Call Imp Summoning 2 Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Slow Hexes 2 Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Skills: + Level 9.3(7.4) Fighting - Level 15.0(12.8) Staves - Level 2.0(0.4) Throwing + Level 10.8(8.8) Armour - Level 3.2(1.6) Dodging - Level 3.1(1.5) Spellcasting * Level 6.3(4.5) Invocations - Level 2.4(0.8) Evocations You have 16 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (10/27) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (4/4) D:10 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Shops: D:4 * D:10 ?( Orc:1 ( Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee. You have a pair of horns on your head. Message History You sock the orc sorcerer! The orc sorcerer is moderately wounded. You thump the orc sorcerer! Your headbutt misses the orc sorcerer. The orc sorcerer is severely wounded. The orc sorcerer hits you but does no damage. You sock the orc sorcerer! You kill the orc sorcerer! Okawaru accepts your kill. Things that are here: an orcish dagger; an orcish robe; an orc corpse Found 20 gold pieces. You now have 984 gold pieces (gained 17). You are feeling very hungry. You now have 1004 gold pieces (gained 20). You now have 1019 gold pieces (gained 15). You now have 1039 gold pieces (gained 20). You start resting. You start resting. You feel better. Saving game... please wait. ..<..............#....# ......#...........#...# #....)....[.>....#.#..## #.....#................# ...........#........#.## ..#.......#.#......#.## .###.#.#..............# ####.#...........#....# #..............##..## ##......##......#### ..##......###@.)..# .................## #.##.#............## ####............# ###.##......## ####.....## ##.#.#### #....# ##....# ###.## There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Josephine (D:10) Urug (D:10) An unseen horror (D:10) Erolcha (D:9) Joseph (Orc:3) A hill giant (D:10) An orc knight (D:10) A cyclops (Orc:4) 2 orc sorcerers Maurice (D:8) Psyche (D:9) Sonja (Orc:3) The ghost of Titanko the Insei, an average DrTm (D:5) 2 deep elf magi (Orc:3) A chaos spawn (Orc:3) A hippogriff (D:9) A merfolk (D:8) A wyvern (D:8) Grum (D:8) 2 vampire mosquitoes (D:10) 4 wolves (D:8) Menkaure (D:4) A necrophage (D:9) A black bear (D:9) An ice beast (D:8) 10 orc warriors A swamp drake (Orc:3) 2 yellow wasps (D:10) 2 sky beasts 8 ogres 4 centaurs Sigmund (D:3) Duvessa (D:7) A komodo dragon zombie (D:10) Blork the orc (D:7) A warg (Orc:4) 5 giant frogs 4 killer bees A yak skeleton (D:10) Dowan (D:7) 8 crimson imps An iron imp (Orc:3) 2 jellies 4 big fish (D:8) 3 goliath beetles 5 hounds 3 quasits 2 scorpions A water moccasin zombie (D:6) A giant frog skeleton (D:9) 5 iguanas 28 orc wizards A cyclops simulacrum (D:10) 18 orc priests 9 worker ants A crocodile zombie (D:10) Ijyb (D:7) A hound zombie (D:5) 6 adders 25 gnolls 4 giant mites A white imp (Orc:3) 4 worms A shadow imp (Orc:3) An adder skeleton (D:4) A giant eyeball (D:6) 7 giant geckos An ooze (D:5) 153 orcs 3 ball pythons 17 goblins 25 hobgoblins 10 jackals 12 kobolds 18 bats 5 giant cockroaches 6 giant newts A jackal zombie (D:7) 3 orc skeletons 2 orc zombies (Orc:3) A quokka (D:3) A quokka zombie (D:7) 14 rats 490 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An orc wizard (Orc:3) A killer bee zombie (D:10) An orc zombie (Orc:3) A rat (D:1) 4 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 494 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Roko, the Minotaur Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 0/0 69 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Staves 185 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/25 MP: 0/0 564 | D:1 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 929 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/31 MP: 1/1 1086 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Staves 1231 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/38 MP: 1/1 1493 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Staves 1638 | D:2 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/45 MP: 1/1 1892 | D:2 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 2157 | D:3 | Noticed Sigmund 2176 | D:3 | Killed Sigmund 2429 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Staves 2429 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 39/52 MP: 2/2 3374 | D:4 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 3379 | D:4 | Identified Sif Muna's Guide on Hexes 3384 | D:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 3391 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 3394 | D:4 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Papyrus of Stolen Souls 3400 | D:4 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 3404 | D:4 | Identified Vehumet's Grimoire of Confrontation 3501 | D:4 | Noticed Menkaure 3581 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3587 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3684 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 3846 | D:4 | Killed Menkaure 3846 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Staves 4128 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 47/59 MP: 2/2 4302 | D:4 | Acquired Okawaru's first power 4359 | D:4 | Found Strodeoje's Assorted Antiques. 4365 | D:4 | Bought 2 fuming silvery potions for 43 gold pieces 4365 | D:4 | Bought a scroll labeled STREGU MNIPP for 24 gold pieces 4885 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4931 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Staves 5117 | D:5 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 5226 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 21/67 MP: 2/2 5521 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Staves 5583 | D:5 | Noticed Titanko's ghost (average DrTm) 5604 | D:5 | Killed Titanko's ghost 5604 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 5768 | D:5 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 6150 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Staves 6241 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6256 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 6630 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 66/72 MP: 3/3 6682 | D:6 | Reached skill level 12 in Staves 7426 | D:7 | Got a twitching pewter amulet 7496 | D:7 | Noticed Ijyb 7519 | D:7 | Killed Ijyb 7851 | D:7 | Noticed Dowan 7852 | D:7 | Noticed Duvessa 7862 | D:7 | Killed Duvessa 7874 | D:7 | Killed Dowan 7904 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 7926 | D:7 | Reached skill level 13 in Staves 7936 | D:7 | Killed Blork the orc 8168 | D:8 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 8175 | D:8 | Identified the amulet "Ghoriz" {Stasis rF+} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 8185 | D:8 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 8188 | D:8 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 8202 | D:8 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 8401 | D:8 | Noticed Maurice 8423 | D:8 | Killed Maurice 8423 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting 8466 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 28/80 MP: 5/5 8836 | D:8 | Noticed Grum 8843 | D:8 | Reached skill level 14 in Staves 8851 | D:8 | Killed Grum 9716 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9916 | D:9 | Noticed Psyche 9924 | D:9 | Killed Psyche 9924 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 9992 | D:10 | Acquired Okawaru's second power 10041 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 10074 | D:9 | Killed Erolcha 10815 | D:10 | Noticed Josephine 10834 | D:10 | Killed Josephine 10836 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Staves 10877 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 10893 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 43/89 MP: 9/9 10936 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 10936 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 11292 | D:10 | Found Yhicsi's Weapon Boutique. 11292 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 11297 | D:10 | Noticed Urug 11310 | D:10 | Found Wuang's Magic Scroll Shop. 11350 | D:10 | Killed Urug 11551 | D:10 | Bought a scroll of teleportation for 39 gold pieces 11551 | D:10 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 71 gold pieces 11624 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 11715 | D:10 | Killed an unseen horror 11884 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 12509 | Orc:1 | Found Hapic's Antique Weapon Shop. 12538 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 13070 | D:10 | Bought a +3,+2 quarterstaff of speed for 636 gold pieces 14541 | Orc:3 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 14711 | Orc:3 | Noticed Joseph 14728 | Orc:3 | Killed Joseph 14728 | Orc:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 14743 | Orc:3 | Noticed Sonja 14775 | Orc:3 | Killed Sonja 15141 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 15141 | Orc:4 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 15426 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 15605 | Orc:4 | Paralysed by an orc sorcerer for 7 turns Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Quarterstaff | 60 | 197 | 540 | 827 || 1624 Throw: Throwing net | | 2 | | || 2 Invok: Heroism | | | 2 | 4 || 6 Finesse | | | | 2 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | 4 | 9 || 13 Use: Scroll | | 16 | 11 | 4 || 31 Potion | | 6 | 4 | 4 || 14 Stab: Invisible | | | 2 | || 2

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 05:34 by Wahaha

You can see how fast you attack in the ( ) next to the turn count. Yes finesse helps.

It's most likely not a good idea to learn hexes with this character, especially if you're wearing this good plate armor.

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 08:31 by pratamawirya

Wahaha wrote: Yes finesse helps.

What, really? It is already "blindingly fast".

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 08:43 by Wahaha

Without finesse it attacks at 0.3 and with it's 0.2.

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 10:33 by skyspire

cool, you are getting 5 attacks per turn with finesse.. without finesse you are getting a little more than 3 attacks per turn.

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 13:21 by Grujah

Thanks guys, but this ended up as YASD.

After having cleared half of Orc Mines and not even Entering the Lair, I encounted Rupert and bunch of human right after I went into D:17. I go back up, an than, for some reason, I think I can buff myself up enough to kill Rupert. Note that I've only encountered him once before (in Lair) where he had draining and killed me easily. So, I go in, go back to lure less of them, and get destroyed by Rupert. Tried running, blinking, died.

And I had this awesome hat
b - the +0 wizard hat of Tisket (worn) {+Blink +Rage rElec rN+}
+6+4 ring of slaying
and some other cute equipment too.

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 14:48 by Klown

Imo, use your Minotaur's MP for God Abilities instead of spells. It takes so long to get even a level 1 spell up on a heavily armored Minotaur, you could be boosting fighting/armour/weapon/dodging/etc. instead.

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