Some Help? ._.

[oONekoGamiOo]

So I'm not really that experienced in this game, and the farthest i ever got was Orc-2, i went searching around the wiki for character guides and i tried out the Spriggan Enchanter. I'm asking for some advice on what i should do, here is what i currently got:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.2 (tiles) character file.

Sloth the Miscreant (Spriggan Enchanter)            Turns: 8989, Time: 00:19:50

HP  32/32        AC  3     Str  6      XL: 7   Next: 34%
MP  22/22        EV 19     Int 22      God:
Gold 243         SH  0     Dex 17      Spells:  2 memorised, 15 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   m - +1 dagger
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   b - +1 robe
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (shield restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   (gloves unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Saprovore : . . .   Levitation : .   A - ring of protection from cold
                    Ctrl.Flight: .   u - +6 ring of intelligence

@: very quick, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 2
a: no special abilities


You are on level 6 of the Dungeon.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 6 of its levels.

You have collected 223 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 m - a +1,+1 dagger (weapon)
Armour
 b - a +1 robe (worn)
Magical devices
 d - an encrusted lead wand
Comestibles
 j - 3 bread rations
Scrolls
 k - 3 scrolls of blinking
 p - a scroll labeled XEUQ REAFYTZ
 q - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 r - a scroll of enchant weapon II
 t - a scroll labeled WERIAN ABRYV
 y - a scroll labeled THUXESI NANNAE
 z - a scroll labeled HELUDGH MORARAE
 D - a scroll labeled NEWOCU MOF WER
 E - 2 scrolls labeled OTERROI STUUVUOJ
 F - a scroll labeled BROXTE CHIAGO
Jewellery
 g - a jade ring
 u - a +6 ring of intelligence (left hand)
 A - a ring of protection from cold (right hand)
Potions
 e - a potion of porridge
 f - a potion of curing
 h - 2 emulsified cyan potions
 i - a brown potion
 n - 3 white potions
 o - a purple potion
 s - 2 viscous yellow potions
 x - an emulsified black potion
 B - a fuming brown potion
 C - an oily blue potion
Books
 a - a book of the Dragon   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Flight                             Charms/Air                   3
   Cause Fear                         Hexes                        4
   Bolt of Fire                       Conjuration/Fire             6
   Dragon Form                        Fire/Transmutation           7
   Summon Dragon                      Summoning                    9
 c - a book of Maledictions   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Corona                            Hexes                        1
   Sure Blade                         Hexes/Charms                 2
   *Ensorcelled Hibernation           Hexes/Ice                    2
   Confuse                            Hexes                        3
   Enslavement                        Hexes                        4
   Invisibility                       Hexes                        6
 l - a book of Ice   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Freezing Aura                      Charms/Ice                   2
   *Ensorcelled Hibernation           Hexes/Ice                    2
   Ozocubu's Refrigeration            Ice                          6
   Bolt of Cold                       Conjuration/Ice              6
   Freezing Cloud                     Conjuration/Ice/Air          6
   Metabolic Englaciation             Hexes/Ice                    6
   Simulacrum                         Ice/Necromancy               6
 v - a book of Changes   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Beastly Appendage                  Transmutation                1
   Sticks to Snakes                   Transmutation                2
   Spider Form                        Transmutation/Poison         3
   Ice Form                           Ice/Transmutation            4
   Blade Hands                        Transmutation                5


   Skills:
 - Level 1.1 Short Blades
 - Level 1.1 Throwing
 + Level 3.7 Dodging
 + Level 3.8 Stealth
 + Level 7.7 Stabbing
 - Level 6.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 3.6 Hexes


You have 15 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Corona                Hex            ####....     1%          1    None
b - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Hex/Ice        ###....      10%         2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (6/27)           
Temple: D:4-7          Orc: D:6-11     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Xom
Zin

Annotations
D:4 Grinder


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need consume almost no food.

Vanquished Creatures
  A sky beast (D:5)
  An ice beast (D:5)
  A giant frog (D:6)
  A crimson imp (D:5)
  A scorpion (D:5)
  6 worker ants
  3 gnolls (D:4)
  5 adders
  A giant mite (D:1)
  A bat zombie (D:6)
  2 giant geckos
  3 oozes
  2 orcs (D:3)
  4 ball pythons
  10 bats
  11 goblins
  16 hobgoblins
  2 jackals (D:3)
  13 kobolds
  4 quokkas
  3 giant cockroaches
  6 giant newts
  10 rats
  A toadstool (D:4)
108 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A gnoll (D:5)
  A giant eyeball (D:5)
  10 toadstools
12 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 120 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Sloth, the Spriggan Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4
   596 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 1/13 MP: 7/7
   890 | D:1      | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation
  2028 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 3/16 MP: 6/9
  3205 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Stabbing
  3361 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/21 MP: 13/13
  3424 | D:4      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3436 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3478 | D:5      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  3656 | D:5      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  4540 | D:3      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  4540 | D:3      | Noticed a glowing angel
  4606 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 4/24 MP: 14/17
  4924 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing
  5269 | D:3      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  6456 | D:4      | Noticed a phantom
  6940 | D:4      | Noticed Grinder
  6941 | D:4      | Paralysed by Grinder for 3 turns
  7308 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Stabbing
  7308 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
  7308 | D:5      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/28 MP: 20/20
  7927 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Stabbing
  8004 | D:5      | Noticed a sky beast
  8008 | D:5      | Killed a sky beast
  8008 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/32 MP: 22/22


Update
I died
I'm going to try out Hunters, any suggestions on what type of Hunter? (Elf? Halfling? - Sling? CrossBow?)

[BlackSheep]

The variable width fonts! They burnses!
(Put [code] tags around your character dump please)

[oONekoGamiOo]

Happy? It was my first post, didn't know about it until you pointed it out.

[oONekoGamiOo]

What can increase my invisibility success rate? Only "Hexes" or does "Spell Casting" help too?

[nicolae]

What can increase my invisibility success rate? Only "Hexes" or does "Spell Casting" help too?

Spellcasting helps a little, as does Int, but not as much as raising Hexes does, so I'd focus on that.

[oONekoGamiOo]

Also, Should i get any spells from the "book of earth"? it has some spells like dig, bolt of magma, and iron statue

[some12fat2move]

Also, Should i get any spells from the "book of earth"? it has some spells like dig, bolt of magma, and iron statue

Dig can help you make a nice stabbing route, especially in conjunction with passwall.

[Psieye]

Also, Should i get any spells from the "book of earth"? it has some spells like dig, bolt of magma, and iron statue

Wrong question. Right question: "when can I afford to divert EXP to Earth so I can make use of this Book of Earth the RNG gave me?"

Answer: when you can reliably kill most mooks with invis-stab, without worrying about Sp hunger. Done right, that should be around the time you clear Lair.

[crate]

(personally I wouldn't learn any earth spells on a spen)

[kenmtraveller]

Crate, what magic schools would you learn , besides Hexes/Charms?

I ask because I currently have a SpEn/Ashenzari in Vaults who I think could be my first SpEN win . He got lucky with acquisition and I currently have a +7/+8 elven quickblade.

I'm awesome except in cases where creatures are both exceptionally resistant to enchantments and See Invisible. My melee is actually decent but I feel like I need to be developing a backup plan.
I have a few ranks in many magic skills so that I can get the Ashenzari boost, but haven't really committed to anything.
Character on a different computer, or I'd post it.
Ken

[Psieye]

There's 2 directions to go for a lategame SpEn:
- Develop some way to kill things that you can't reasonably stab
- Develop ninja ways to never be bothered by what you can't stab

Which do you prefer?

[njvack]

Translocations, by the way, can give you both -- Warp Weapon and, um, other translocations.

[kenmtraveller]

Well i have access to all the relevant translocation spells (including Warp Weapon) and it's actually one of my higher magic skills since I wanted Control Teleport, so I'll try that.

Ken

[crate]

Crate, what magic schools would you learn , besides Hexes/Charms?

I ask because I currently have a SpEn/Ashenzari in Vaults who I think could be my first SpEN win . He got lucky with acquisition and I currently have a +7/+8 elven quickblade.

I'm awesome except in cases where creatures are both exceptionally resistant to enchantments and See Invisible. My melee is actually decent but I feel like I need to be developing a backup plan.
I have a few ranks in many magic skills so that I can get the Ashenzari boost, but haven't really committed to anything.
Character on a different computer, or I'd post it.
Ken

I'll just let you see what I did on my spens, which is pretty similar to what I would have done for a regular 3 rune game:
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/crate ... 020045.txt
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/crate ... 040846.txt

[kenmtraveller]

Wow, I just read your characters and they're really not what I expected.
You only worshipped Lugonu (a god I've never even tried) , and you didn't even do (at least with the 2nd character) that until you'd gotten all the way to dungeon level 22, presumably because you needed to get to the abyss to find an altar.
Is it worth it to go without a god for so long?

And you used apportation a ton... I've never used that spell even once. I thought people just used it to ninja runes?

I see you went with a dagger of distortion in both cases; is the dagger (and danger of being banished) why you worshipped Lugonu?

Is the distortion brand the main way you deal with awake, highly resistant, invisible-seeing creatures?

Thanks,
Ken

[crate]

For a 3 rune game I wouldn't recommend lugonu unless you get a corrupted temple, because like you say you are godless for a long time. I had planned from the start to go into extended on those characters and lugonu is quite good for spen in extended (disto melee and corruption and self-banish).

For a 3 rune game I would normally recommend worshipping kiku, but there are other gods who are also good.

Apportation is useful every time you want to pick up an item that is on a tile other than the one you're standing on. It's not just for runes.

The main way I deal with awake, high-MR, sinv things is by walking away.

[Psieye]

Like I said: do you want to kill or do you want to ninja? The latter means not killing things you don't like (things you couldn't stab). There simply comes a point in the lategame where you don't need any more EXP to invis-stab things.