Trog vs. Okawaru


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Post Thursday, 14th March 2019, 13:49

Re: Trog vs. Okawaru

byrel wrote:This is a lot less true than it used to be. First... they're only missing body armour for a slot that could be branded MR. They can use MR hats, rings and cloaks, which is the majority of MR sources. So I don't think they have particularly low MR in Lair (and what checks MR in Lair? Basilisks, which aren't that hard to deal with.)


No weapon, no boots, no gloves. Kirke, Rupert. Also note I was talking about Lair, Lair branches and Vaults, the latter two are full of MR-checking monsters.

For AC, steam/acid dragons and trolls are all decently common now, so you have a good shot at better-than-robes light armour. And if you go a start that doesn't sac dex and train a bit of dodging, you're going to have decent EV as well. Hydras will be tougher than average, but your regen makes pillar-dancing to chop heads with an untrained fire weapon quite viable (and that's ignoring large rocks, wands of acid, etc., which you probably have for dealing with a few hydras.)


I am playing OgHu at the moment, all I found before Vaults was a troll armour which is good enough for experienced players (especially since I am primary ranged character) but not for new players, also it is technically worse than +2 robe because it gives exactly the same AC (training Armour at this point is a serious mistake) and has EV penalty. It is ridiculous to compare the body armour to something like +4 plate armour which is typically used by Mi/HO at this point, also these species have a good chance to find boots and gloves and actually train Armour while also having much better aptitude in it.
Pillar-dancing with untrained fire weapon is far from tactics which new players use. Also I am not sure why but last time I used some flaming weapon it didn't cut heads (it was a hand axe as far as I remember).
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Post Thursday, 14th March 2019, 15:25

Re: Trog vs. Okawaru

Ogres and trolls are both far more frail than HP leads to believe. With a good shield + throwing trained they can output monstrous physical damage in both melee and ranged combat but they're not exactly newbie picks.

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Post Thursday, 14th March 2019, 17:36

Re: Trog vs. Okawaru

VeryAngryFelid wrote:
byrel wrote:Pillar-dancing with untrained fire weapon is far from tactics which new players use. Also I am not sure why but last time I used some flaming weapon it didn't cut heads (it was a hand axe as far as I remember).


As far as I know, the chance of cutting a hydra's head with flaming weapon depends on the damage dealt, but I suspect the breakpoint is so low that one can notice this is actually a thing only with lower tier base type untrained weapon.

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Post Sunday, 17th March 2019, 11:38

Re: Trog vs. Okawaru

Why use a fire weapon, though? For a troll of Trog, wouldn't BIA or rage + a giant mace be better options?
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Post Sunday, 17th March 2019, 18:41

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Shtopit wrote:Why use a fire weapon, though? For a troll of Trog, wouldn't BIA or rage + a giant mace be better options?


For the extra damage !s, those are always nice. A +6 giant club of freezing appeals to me. :)
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"You flatten the 7-headed hydra like a pancake!!!!" is a fairly common message with trolls.

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Post Monday, 18th March 2019, 07:46

Re: Trog vs. Okawaru

Shtopit wrote:Why use a fire weapon, though? For a troll of Trog, wouldn't BIA or rage + a giant mace be better options?


BiA are not free, it is easy to run out of BiA if you use it for every hydra. Rage + weak weapon is a gamble, by berserking you lose ability to use scrolls/potions.
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Post Monday, 18th March 2019, 10:56

Re: Trog vs. Okawaru

With a troll I use large rocks against hydras. Large rocks and wands.

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Post Monday, 18th March 2019, 18:20

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Yea, wands are good. Troll Artificer is a start I liked.
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Post Monday, 18th March 2019, 18:37

Re: Trog vs. Okawaru

Magipi wrote:With a troll I use large rocks against hydras. Large rocks and wands.


Training any ranged weapon vs them works well enough.

https://i.imgur.com/9ixnFh9.png --> https://i.imgur.com/rIn2SkV.png

Doesn't even have to be large rocks if you're throwing.
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