[CIP] how 2 play spelldude

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 03:53 by CypherZel

Ive killed about 5 deep elf conjurers in dungeons and I have very little experience with using spells in general, it would be nice for general tips as well as looking at this early dump to see if I'm doing things right.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (webtiles) character file. CypherZel the Conjurer (Deep Elf Conjurer) Turns: 6896, Time: 00:33:12 Health: 40/40 AC: 5 Str: 5 XL: 7 Next: 42% Magic: 13/13 EV: 15 Int: 22 God: Gold: 269 SH: 0 Dex: 15 Spells: 4 memorised, 2 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . t - staff of conjuration rCold . . . Gourm . h - +2 robe {MR+} rNeg . . . Faith . (no shield) rPois . Spirit . (no helmet) rElec . Dismiss . v - +0 cloak rCorr . Reflect . (no gloves) MR +.... Harm . (no boots) Stlth +++....... (no amulet) (no ring) (no ring) @: no status effects A: no striking features a: no special abilities You are on level 5 of the Dungeon. You are not hungry. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 5 of its levels. You have collected 269 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons g - a +1 dagger Armour a - a +0 robe h - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn) v - a +0 cloak (worn) Magical Staves t - an uncursed staff of conjuration (weapon) Jewellery o - a shiny brass ring s - a thin silver amulet Scrolls e - 4 scrolls of magic mapping f - 3 scrolls of identify j - 2 scrolls of enchant armour m - a scroll of fog u - a scroll labeled BET FULOULOAX Potions d - a yellow potion i - a brown potion k - a bubbling amethyst potion l - a potion of heal wounds p - a golden potion r - a bubbling silvery potion Books b - a book of Conjurations Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Searing Ray Conjuration 2 c - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 d - Fulminant Prism Conjuration/Hexes 4 e - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 f - Iskenderun's Battlesphere Conjuration/Charms 5 Comestibles c - 3 bread rations n - 2 meat rations q - a royal jelly w - a chunk of flesh Skills: - Level 2.0 Fighting + Level 1.5 Armour - Level 5.2 Dodging - Level 5.0 Stealth - Level 3.0 Spellcasting - Level 7.1 Conjurations You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None b - Searing Ray Conj ###### 1% 2 ##..... c - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ####.. 12% 3 ###.... d - Iskenderun's Mystic Conj ######.. 10% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (5/15) Temple: D:4-7 Altars: Trog Vehumet Yredelemnul Annotations: D:1 Ijyb D:3 Grinder Message History You feel a surge of power! The magic dart hits the orc. The orc shouts! Casting: Magic Dart Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Okay, then. The orc throws a tomahawk. The tomahawk hits you. You see here a tomahawk. The orc throws a tomahawk. The tomahawk closely misses you. You see here a tomahawk. Casting: Magic Dart Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Magic Dart Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - orc Aim: an orc, wielding a whip and wearing a scale mail You feel a surge of power! The magic dart hits the orc. You kill the orc! You start resting. Magic restored. You start resting. HP restored. ####.......####.... .........o.(.....# ####.....#(#####.# .........#)# #.# .###.#.###.#####.#### .###................. .......###.......# .###.............# .....###########@# .÷...####.# #.### ....)#....# ###.# .....#.##.# #.##### .....#.##.########.....# ...................###.# .....#.##.##.....### #.# .....#.##.##.....## #.# ######............# #.##### There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Duvessa (D:5) An ogre (D:5) Dowan (D:5) A scorpion (D:5) A centaur zombie (D:5) A hound (D:5) An orc priest (D:5) 3 orc wizards 3 worker ants 4 adders 3 gnolls (D:3) An ooze (D:1) An adder skeleton (D:4) 3 worms 6 dart slugs 7 giant geckos 7 orcs 4 giant cockroaches 9 hobgoblins 3 jackals 3 quokkas A ball python (D:3) 6 bats 5 giant newts 7 goblins 8 kobolds A quokka skeleton (D:4) 2 rats 94 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | CypherZel the Deep Elf Conjurer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6 315 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/8 402 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 663 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 688 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 4/9 733 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Searing Ray 900 | D:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 1374 | D:2 | Noticed Ijyb 1638 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 3/10 2012 | D:3 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 2382 | D:3 | Noticed Grinder 2961 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 3123 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 5/11 3549 | D:4 | Noticed an ice beast 4068 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4377 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray 4454 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4459 | D:5 | Noticed an ogre 4555 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 4643 | D:5 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/35 MP: 5/12 5025 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 5068 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 5070 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 5091 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 5091 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations 5707 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 40/40 MP: 6/13 6151 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 6151 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations 6455 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | ---------------+----------------------+----- Conjurations | 5 6 7 | 7.1 Dodging | 3 4 5 | 5.2 Stealth | 3 5 | 5.0 Fighting | 2 | 2.0 Armour | 1 | 1.5 Spellcasting | | 3.0 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | | 11 | || 11 Staff | | | 3 || 3 Cast: Magic Dart | 92 | 166 | 27 || 285 Searing Ray | | 3 | 3 || 6 Use: Scroll | | 5 | || 5 Potion | | 2 | || 2 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 7 | 4 || 12 Fruit | | 2 | || 2 Bread ration | | 1 | || 1 Armor: Robe | 3 | 5 | 4 || 12 Dodge: Dodged | 13 | 37 | 7 || 57

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 03:58 by duvessa

Code:: + Level 1.5 Armour

not training this in a robe would be a good start

Code:: - Level 5.0 Stealth

you probably don't want this either

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 04:08 by CypherZel

duvessa wrote:
Code:
+ Level 1.5 Armour
not training this in a robe would be a good start
Code:
- Level 5.0 Stealth
you probably don't want this either

So that means i should also not go dith right? because I have been contemplating going dith for a few minutes now at the alter, also I train armour to see If I would gain any AC for the first few levels, I thought the cost wouldnt hurt to try out

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 04:16 by Sandman25

You get one AC for every {total base armour of all armour pieces you are wearing} / 22 skill level in Armour.
With robe (base armour 2) and cloak (base armour 1) you get (2+1)/22 AC per skill level in Armour, that means you need Armour 7.4 to get a single AC, that's not efficient training of course.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 04:23 by CypherZel

Are bucklers worth?

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 05:03 by Sandman25

Not with reflection. rF+/rC+/AC+3 can be useful depending on your resists.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 05:42 by Shard1697

I would say even a plain buckler is worthwhile, once you're past the earlygame. Very cheap, extra defenses, can be used with enhancer stave.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 05:47 by CypherZel

This is me now

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (webtiles) character file. CypherZel the Nimble (Deep Elf Conjurer) Turns: 20204, Time: 02:11:25 Health: 63/63 AC: 9 Str: 5 XL: 11 Next: 27% Magic: 25/25 EV: 19 Int: 24 God: Sif Muna [****..] Gold: 759 SH: 2 Dex: 15 Spells: 8 memorised, 3 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . t - staff of conjuration rCold . . . Gourm . h - +2 robe {MR+} rNeg + . . Faith . (no shield) rPois + Spirit . M - +0 helmet rElec . Dismiss . v - +2 cloak rCorr . Reflect + J - +0 pair of gloves MR ++... Harm . (no boots) Stlth +++....... N - +2 amulet of reflection z - ring of poison resistance o - ring of positive energy @: no status effects A: no striking features a: Divine Energy, Channel Magic, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion You are on level 11 of the Dungeon. You worship Sif Muna. Sif Muna is greatly pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 12 of its levels. You have collected 759 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand Weapons g - a +1 dagger Armour h - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn) v - a +2 cloak (worn) y - a +0 troll leather armour J - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) M - a +0 helmet (worn) Magical Staves t - an uncursed staff of conjuration (weapon) Jewellery o - a ring of positive energy (left hand) z - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) B - a knobbly bone ring C - an uncursed ring of see invisible F - a ring of positive energy N - a +2 amulet of reflection (around neck) Wands i - a wand of disintegration E - a wand of hasting Z - a wand of digging Scrolls a - a scroll labeled ZEKOVYESUU e - 4 scrolls of magic mapping j - 2 scrolls of enchant armour m - 2 scrolls of fog s - a scroll of identify u - a scroll of brand weapon w - 2 scrolls of teleportation x - a scroll of recharging K - 4 scrolls of remove curse U - a scroll of enchant weapon V - a scroll labeled ROUVUDUMIS Potions d - 3 potions of brilliance f - 2 potions of flight k - 2 potions of cure mutation l - a potion of heal wounds p - a potion of curing r - 3 potions of haste H - 2 emerald potions T - a cyan potion Books b - a book of Conjurations Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Searing Ray Conjuration 2 c - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 d - Fulminant Prism Conjuration/Hexes 4 e - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 f - Iskenderun's Battlesphere Conjuration/Charms 5 P - a book of Air Spells Type Level a - Shock Conjuration/Air 1 b - Swiftness Charms/Air 2 c - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 d - Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 e - Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 Comestibles c - 5 bread rations n - 3 meat rations q - 2 royal jellies A - 2 fruits R - a slice of pizza X - a beef jerky Skills: - Level 5.1 Fighting - Level 2.2 Armour - Level 10.0 Dodging - Level 5.0 Stealth - Level 8.8 Spellcasting - Level 9.3 Conjurations - Level 7.7 Hexes + Level 7.6 Air Magic You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None b - Searing Ray Conj ###### 1% 2 None c - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ###### 1% 3 None d - Iskenderun's Mystic Conj ######.. 1% 4 ##..... e - Fulminant Prism Conj/Hex ######.... 1% 4 ##..... f - Swiftness Chrm/Air ####.... 1% 2 None g - Static Discharge Conj/Air ######.. 1% 3 None h - Lightning Bolt Conj/Air ######.... 6% 5 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (0/6) D:11 Orc (0/2) D:11 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Annotations: D:1 Ijyb D:3 Grinder D:10 exclusion: hill giant Message History Unknown command. Casting: Magic Dart Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Magic Dart Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hound Aim: a hound (lightly wounded) You feel a surge of power! The magic dart hits the hound. The hound is moderately wounded. The hound barely misses you. Casting: Magic Dart Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. You feel a surge of power! The hound is struck by lightning. You kill the hound! Sif Muna accepts your kill. The lightning arcs! You are struck by lightning. The lightning arcs! There is a stone staircase leading down here. You start resting. HP restored. You start resting. Magic restored. ######### ##### ........###########...## #######................# .### #................# ...# #.##########.....# .#.####.##########....## ........##......@..#.## ##.#######.#########.# ...# #.# #...##.# #### #.# #......# #.# #...#### #.# ##.## #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Pikel (D:6) 2 hill giants An ugly thing (D:11) 2 trolls A wraith (D:11) A wyvern (D:11) 7 yaks (D:11) Grum (D:8) A hungry ghost (D:11) 3 hippogriffs Duvessa (D:5) 3 slaves (D:6) 4 orc warriors The ghost of Aquadorian the Chopper, an amateur MiFi (D:6) 3 ice beasts 3 sky beasts 9 ogres A phantom (D:11) 3 centaurs 4 wolves (D:8) A wyvern zombie (D:8) 7 giant frogs A water moccasin zombie (D:8) Dowan (D:5) 5 scorpions 3 killer bees (D:10) 4 giant frog zombies 7 crimson imps A quasit (D:6) 3 centaur zombies 5 hounds A jelly (D:6) 7 orc priests A centaur skeleton (D:10) 7 orc wizards 2 iguanas 9 worker ants A hound zombie (D:6) 2 hound skeletons A worker ant zombie (D:5) A howler monkey skeleton (D:10) 10 adders 11 gnolls A shadow imp (D:8) An ooze (D:1) 2 adder skeletons 3 worms 6 dart slugs 9 giant geckos 36 orcs 7 giant cockroaches 9 hobgoblins 6 jackals 5 quokkas A ball python (D:3) 6 bats 6 giant newts 7 goblins 8 kobolds 2 quokka skeletons 2 rats 260 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An ogre (D:6) 2 orcs 14 fulminant prisms 17 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 277 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | CypherZel the Deep Elf Conjurer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6 315 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/8 402 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 541 | D:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Dodging 663 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 688 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 4/9 733 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Searing Ray 900 | D:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 1170 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging 1374 | D:2 | Noticed Ijyb 1638 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 3/10 2012 | D:3 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 2382 | D:3 | Noticed Grinder 2961 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 3123 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 5/11 3549 | D:4 | Noticed an ice beast 4068 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4377 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray 4454 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4459 | D:5 | Noticed an ogre 4555 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 4643 | D:5 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/35 MP: 5/12 5025 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 5068 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 5070 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 5091 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 5707 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 40/40 MP: 6/13 6151 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 6455 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 7591 | D:6 | Noticed Aquadorian's ghost (amateur MiFi) 7664 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 7691 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging 8115 | D:6 | Noticed an angel 8116 | D:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 8250 | D:6 | Noticed Pikel 8287 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Dodging 8287 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/44 MP: 8/14 8358 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 8739 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8831 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8880 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder 8982 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 9414 | D:6 | Killed Pikel 9414 | D:6 | Reached * piety under Sif Muna 9719 | D:6 | Killed Aquadorian's ghost 10178 | D:7 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 10277 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 36/50 MP: 7/17 10368 | D:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Fulminant Prism 10476 | D:7 | Noticed a gargoyle 11027 | D:7 | Reached skill level 8 in Dodging 11471 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 11576 | D:7 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 11664 | D:8 | Noticed Grum 11845 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Dodging 11980 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 12914 | D:8 | Reached ** piety under Sif Muna 13206 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 13817 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 14050 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 54/56 MP: 7/18 14208 | D:8 | Killed Grum 16032 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 16242 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 16422 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 16437 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 16437 | D:10 | Reached *** piety under Sif Muna 16437 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 16442 | D:10 | Learned a level 3 spell: Static Discharge 17394 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 17405 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 17570 | D:10 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lightning Bolt 17586 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 17807 | D:11 | Noticed an orc knight 18167 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 18315 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 36/63 MP: 1/25 18471 | D:11 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 18471 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 18479 | D:11 | Reached **** piety under Sif Muna 19038 | D:11 | Noticed a purple ugly thing 19054 | D:11 | Killed a purple ugly thing 19464 | D:11 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 | ---------------+----------------------------------+----- Conjurations | 5 6 7 9 | 9.3 Dodging | 3 4 5 7 10 | 10.0 Stealth | 3 5 | 5.0 Fighting | 2 3 5 | 5.1 Armour | 2 | 2.2 Spellcasting | 4 8 | 8.8 Hexes | 7 | 7.7 Air Magic | 2 5 7 | 7.6 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | | 11 | | || 11 Staff | | | 12 | || 12 Cast: Magic Dart | 92 | 166 | 267 | 186 || 711 Searing Ray | | 3 | 33 | 51 || 87 Dazzling Spray | | | 17 | 56 || 73 Fulminant Prism | | | 5 | 9 || 14 Iskenderun's Myst | | | 3 | 1 || 4 Static Discharge | | | | 14 || 14 Use: Scroll | | 5 | 8 | 6 || 19 Potion | | 2 | | 1 || 3 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 7 | 23 | 18 || 49 Fruit | | 2 | | 5 || 7 Bread ration | | 1 | 1 | || 2 Armor: Robe | 3 | 5 | 29 | 32 || 69 Dodge: Dodged | 13 | 37 | 147 | 143 || 340 Block: Other | | | | 12 || 12 Reflection | | | | 2 || 2

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 06:17 by goodcoolguy

The character looks okay. Bucklers are good. Very cheap source of defense. Only need 4 shields to remove all penalties. You should definitely use it.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 06:24 by Magipi

Wait, wait, wait. You did not learn battlesphere? That is a huge error, you should learn it immediately as it becomes available.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 06:29 by goodcoolguy

Going for lightning bolt rather than battlesphere is major mistake, agree. Much worse is not getting repel missiles though.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 06:48 by CypherZel

goodcoolguy wrote:Going for lightning bolt rather than battlesphere is major mistake, agree. Much worse is not getting repel missiles though.

sheeeit

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 07:18 by vergil

CypherZel wrote:So that means i should also not go dith right? because I have been contemplating going dith for a few minutes now at the alter

If you're going to play dith-caster, don't train stealth. It won't give you anything at low levels. Dithmengos gives much, much bigger stealth improvement over piety gain. That is the point, to save points and be stealthy without training it.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 07:22 by goodcoolguy

CypherZel wrote:
goodcoolguy wrote:Going for lightning bolt rather than battlesphere is major mistake, agree. Much worse is not getting repel missiles though.

sheeeit

Yeah, when you see a book of air, you think "oh cool, charms," not "oh cool, air magic."

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 09:08 by Sar

I'd probably enchant that helmet (unless the tile is really ugly).

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 09:12 by CypherZel

Sar wrote:I'd probably enchant that helmet (unless the tile is really ugly).

I did that, I have actually been stair dancing lair 6 for an hour, pls help

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (webtiles) character file. CypherZel the Destroyer (Deep Elf Conjurer) Turns: 37688, Time: 04:13:40 Health: 78/78 AC: 10 Str: 5 XL: 13 Next: 80% Magic: 29/29 EV: 20 Int: 26 God: Sif Muna [****..] Gold: 1109 SH: 2 Dex: 15 Spells: 10 memorised, 1 level left rFire . . . SeeInvis . t - staff of conjuration rCold . . . Gourm . h - +2 robe {MR+} rNeg + . . Faith . (no shield) rPois + Spirit . M - +0 helmet rElec . Dismiss . v - +2 cloak rCorr . Reflect + J - +1 pair of gloves MR ++... Harm . (no boots) Stlth +++....... N - +2 amulet of reflection z - ring of poison resistance o - ring of positive energy @: no status effects A: no striking features a: Divine Energy, Channel Magic, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion You are on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Sif Muna. Sif Muna is greatly pleased with you. You are hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels. You have collected 1109 gold pieces. Inventory: Armour h - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn) v - a +2 cloak (worn) J - a +1 pair of gloves (worn) M - a +0 helmet (worn) Magical Staves t - an uncursed staff of conjuration (weapon) Jewellery o - a ring of positive energy (left hand) z - a ring of poison resistance (right hand) B - an uncursed ring of flight C - an uncursed ring of see invisible F - a ring of positive energy N - a +2 amulet of reflection (around neck) Wands g - a wand of random effects i - a wand of lightning E - a wand of hasting Z - a wand of digging Scrolls a - a scroll labeled ZEKOVYESUU e - 4 scrolls of magic mapping j - a scroll of enchant armour m - 2 scrolls of fog s - a scroll labeled UVVIACS OGAUPHAI u - a scroll of brand weapon w - 2 scrolls of teleportation x - a scroll of recharging K - 5 scrolls of remove curse U - a scroll of enchant weapon V - 3 scrolls of random uselessness Potions f - 2 potions of flight k - 2 potions of cure mutation p - a potion of curing q - a black potion r - 3 potions of haste A - 2 potions of beneficial mutation H - 2 potions of resistance I - a fuming red potion O - an amethyst potion Q - a potion of invisibility T - 3 potions of lignification Books b - a book of Conjurations Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Searing Ray Conjuration 2 c - Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 d - Fulminant Prism Conjuration/Hexes 4 e - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 f - Iskenderun's Battlesphere Conjuration/Charms 5 l - Sif Muna's Grimoire of Illusion and Air (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) Spells Type Level a - Airstrike Air 4 b - Summon Lightning Spire Summoning/Air 4 c - Silence Hexes/Air 5 d - Summon Mana Viper Hexes/Summoning 5 e - Summon Hydra Summoning 7 P - a book of Air Spells Type Level a - Shock Conjuration/Air 1 b - Swiftness Charms/Air 2 c - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 d - Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 e - Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 Comestibles c - 2 bread rations n - 4 meat rations R - 3 slices of pizza X - 3 beef jerkies Skills: - Level 8.1 Fighting - Level 2.2 Armour - Level 12.0 Dodging - Level 5.0 Stealth - Level 10.4 Spellcasting + Level 12.5 Conjurations - Level 7.7 Hexes - Level 5.1 Charms - Level 8.0 Air Magic - Level 10.4 Invocations You have one spell level left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Magic Dart Conj #### 1% 1 None b - Searing Ray Conj ###### 1% 2 None c - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ###### 1% 3 None d - Iskenderun's Mystic Conj #######. 1% 4 None e - Fulminant Prism Conj/Hex #######... 1% 4 None f - Swiftness Chrm/Air #####... 1% 2 None g - Static Discharge Conj/Air #######. 1% 3 None h - Lightning Bolt Conj/Air #######... 1% 5 ####... i - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #####. 1% 2 None j - Iskenderun's Battles Conj/Chrm ######.. 4% 5 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (6/6) D:11 Swamp (0/4) Lair:2 Spider (0/4) Lair:4 Slime (0/5) Lair:6 Orc (0/2) D:11 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Hepliaklqana Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Uskayaw Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Annotations: D:1 Ijyb D:3 Grinder D:10 exclusion: hill giant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:5 exclusion: Rupert Message History The death yak barely misses you. Casting: Lightning Bolt Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Lightning Bolt Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - death yak Aim: a death yak (almost dead) You feel a surge of power! You hear a mighty clap of thunder! The bolt of lightning hits the death yak. You kill the death yak! Sif Muna accepts your kill. Your battlesphere fires! You start resting. You are feeling hungry. You start resting. 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Vanquished Creatures Rupert (Lair:5) The ghost of Duffy the Fighter, a journeyman VSAr of Makhleb (Lair:4) 3 hydras A catoblepas (Lair:2) 8 death yaks Urug (Lair:5) A lindwurm (Lair:6) Pikel (D:6) 2 hill giants An orc knight (D:11) An ugly thing (D:11) An orb spider (Lair:4) 6 elephants A torpor snail (Lair:5) 4 black mambas 11 spiny frogs 4 rime drakes 5 komodo dragons 2 trolls 5 blink frogs (Lair:2) 2 boulder beetles (Lair:5) A wraith (D:11) 2 wyverns A fire bat (Lair:6) 17 yaks Grum (D:8) A hungry ghost (D:11) 2 basilisks 11 hippogriffs 5 insubstantial wisps (Lair:2) 15 water moccasins Duvessa (D:5) 10 porcupines 3 slaves (D:6) 3 wasps 4 orc warriors The ghost of Aquadorian the Chopper, an amateur MiFi (D:6) 3 ice beasts 4 sky beasts 9 ogres 2 phantoms (D:11) 3 centaurs 11 crocodiles 5 wolves A wyvern zombie (D:8) 16 giant frogs A water moccasin zombie (D:8) Dowan (D:5) 5 scorpions 3 killer bees (D:10) An electric eel (Lair:6) A howler monkey (D:10) 4 giant frog zombies 7 crimson imps A quasit (D:6) 3 centaur zombies 5 hounds 2 jellies 7 orc priests A centaur skeleton (D:10) 7 orc wizards 8 iguanas 10 worker ants 17 sheep A hound zombie (D:6) 2 hound skeletons A worker ant zombie (D:5) A howler monkey skeleton (D:10) 10 adders 11 gnolls 53 river rats A shadow imp (D:8) An ooze (D:1) 2 adder skeletons 3 worms 6 dart slugs 9 giant geckos 38 orcs 7 giant cockroaches 9 hobgoblins 9 jackals 5 quokkas A ball python (D:3) 6 bats 6 giant newts 7 goblins 8 kobolds 2 quokka skeletons 2 rats A fulminant prism (Lair:6) 7 fungi 3 plants 490 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An ogre (D:6) 2 orcs 32 fulminant prisms 29 fungi 5 plants 69 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 559 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------+----------+------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | CypherZel the Deep Elf Conjurer began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/6 315 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 5/8 402 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 663 | D:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 688 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 4/9 733 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Searing Ray 900 | D:2 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 1374 | D:2 | Noticed Ijyb 1638 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 3/10 2012 | D:3 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 2382 | D:3 | Noticed Grinder 2961 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 3123 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 5/11 3549 | D:4 | Noticed an ice beast 4068 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4377 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray 4454 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4459 | D:5 | Noticed an ogre 4555 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 4643 | D:5 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 35/35 MP: 5/12 5025 | D:5 | Learned a level 4 spell: Iskenderun's Mystic Blast 5068 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 5070 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 5091 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 5707 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 40/40 MP: 6/13 6151 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 6455 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 7591 | D:6 | Noticed Aquadorian's ghost (amateur MiFi) 7664 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 8115 | D:6 | Noticed an angel 8116 | D:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 8250 | D:6 | Noticed Pikel 8287 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/44 MP: 8/14 8358 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 8739 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8831 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8880 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder 8982 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes 9414 | D:6 | Killed Pikel 9414 | D:6 | Reached * piety under Sif Muna 9719 | D:6 | Killed Aquadorian's ghost 10178 | D:7 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 10277 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 36/50 MP: 7/17 10368 | D:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Fulminant Prism 10476 | D:7 | Noticed a gargoyle 11471 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 11576 | D:7 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 11664 | D:8 | Noticed Grum 11980 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 12914 | D:8 | Reached ** piety under Sif Muna 13206 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 13817 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 14050 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 54/56 MP: 7/18 14208 | D:8 | Killed Grum 16032 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 16242 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 16422 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 16437 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 16437 | D:10 | Reached *** piety under Sif Muna 16437 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 16442 | D:10 | Learned a level 3 spell: Static Discharge 17394 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 17405 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 17570 | D:10 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lightning Bolt 17586 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 17807 | D:11 | Noticed an orc knight 18167 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 18315 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 36/63 MP: 1/25 18471 | D:11 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 18471 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 18479 | D:11 | Reached **** piety under Sif Muna 19038 | D:11 | Noticed a purple ugly thing 19054 | D:11 | Killed a purple ugly thing 19464 | D:11 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 20828 | D:11 | Killed an orc knight 21286 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 21443 | Lair:1 | Got a pair of steaming boots 21456 | Lair:1 | Identified the cursed -4 pair of boots of the Hidden Vale {-Cast Dex+6} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 21683 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 22773 | Lair:2 | Noticed a catoblepas 23133 | Lair:2 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 23144 | Lair:2 | Killed a six-headed hydra 23439 | Lair:2 | Noticed an oklob plant 23565 | Lair:2 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 23687 | Lair:2 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 24070 | Lair:2 | Noticed a shambling mangrove 24517 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 24536 | Lair:2 | Killed a catoblepas 24536 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 69/71 MP: 7/26 24725 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 24728 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 24738 | Lair:2 | Noticed a death yak 24754 | Lair:1 | Killed a death yak 25084 | Lair:1 | Reached ***** piety under Sif Muna 25948 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 26082 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Sif Muna 26084 | Lair:2 | Identified Sif Muna's Grimoire of Illusion and Air (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 27666 | Lair:3 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 28344 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 28381 | Lair:4 | Noticed Duffy's ghost (journeyman VSAr) 28463 | Lair:4 | Killed Duffy's ghost 28463 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 29350 | Lair:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 29620 | Lair:4 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 29629 | Lair:4 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 31088 | Lair:5 | Noticed Rupert 31092 | Lair:5 | Noticed Urug 31771 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 31772 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 31792 | Lair:5 | Noticed a death yak 31793 | Lair:5 | Killed a death yak 31793 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 78/78 MP: 1/27 32241 | Lair:6 | Entered Level 6 of the Lair of Beasts 32417 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 32722 | Lair:5 | Killed Urug 32749 | Lair:5 | Killed Rupert 32749 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 32756 | Lair:5 | Learned a level 5 spell: Iskenderun's Battlesphere 32903 | Lair:6 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 32903 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 33136 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 | ---------------+----------------------------------------+----- Conjurations | 5 6 7 9 12 | 12.5 Dodging | 3 4 5 7 10 12 | 12.0 Stealth | 3 5 | 5.0 Fighting | 2 3 5 6 8 | 8.1 Armour | 2 | 2.2 Spellcasting | 4 8 10 | 10.4 Hexes | 7 | 7.7 Air Magic | 2 5 8 | 8.0 Charms | 5 | 5.1 Invocations | 9 10 | 10.4 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | | 11 | | | || 11 Staff | | | 12 | 61 | 18 || 91 Cast: Magic Dart | 92 | 166 | 267 | 504 | 45 || 1074 Searing Ray | | 3 | 33 | 57 | 1 || 94 Dazzling Spray | | | 17 | 166 | 23 || 206 Fulminant Prism | | | 5 | 16 | 12 || 33 Iskenderun's Myst | | | 3 | 1 | 4 || 8 Static Discharge | | | | 165 | 60 || 225 Lightning Bolt | | | | 32 | 65 || 97 Swiftness | | | | 3 | 7 || 10 Iskenderun's Batt | | | | | 6 || 6 Invok: Divine Energy | | | | 3 | 1 || 4 Stop Divine Energ | | | | 3 | 1 || 4 Channel Magic | | | | | 7 || 7 Use: Scroll | | 5 | 8 | 10 | 5 || 28 Potion | | 2 | | 5 | 2 || 9 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 7 | 23 | 35 | 4 || 70 Fruit | | 2 | | 10 | 5 || 17 Bread ration | | 1 | 1 | 3 | 4 || 9 Royal jelly | | | | 3 | || 3 Meat ration | | | | | 1 || 1 Armor: Robe | 3 | 5 | 29 | 64 | 18 || 119 Dodge: Dodged | 13 | 37 | 147 | 364 | 118 || 679 Block: Other | | | | 29 | 9 || 38 Reflection | | | | 2 | 1 || 3

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 10:39 by vergil

Do Orc, or futher D ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 12:08 by nago

What is specifically troubling you in Lair:6? You have fulminant prism, mystic blast, battlesphere and lighting bolt, plus sif mufa.
In other words, very mp-efficient way to deal high AoE damage, deal high damage both to low and high EV target, and the safest way to channel mp in the game.

You shouldn't have big problem to clear that level, if you move between the 3 different staircases.
However, if for some reasons it is actually too dangerous - e.g. a deadly unique - then clearing Orc or D is a very sensible advice.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 12:22 by Sandman25

Shard1697 wrote:I would say even a plain buckler is worthwhile, once you're past the earlygame. Very cheap, extra defenses, can be used with enhancer stave.

Not before the character has 10+ Fighting/Dodging, weapon at min delay and the whole starting book online. That's more like end of Lair or something.

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 12:34 by Sandman25

Oh, I am wrong, +2 buckler is great.
XL 1 DECj with 15 Dex vs Yak.

Code:: AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam Attacking: 0,3 | 3 | 68% | 0,2 | 100 | 1,00 | 0,2 Defending: 8,6 | 18 | 56% | 4,8 | 100 | 1,00 | 4,8

+2 buckler

Code:: AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam Attacking: 0,3 | 3 | 69% | 0,2 | 103 | 0,97 | 0,2 Defending: 8,7 | 18 | 49% | 4,3 | 100 | 1,00 | 4,3

Shields 4

Code:: AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam Attacking: 0,3 | 3 | 68% | 0,2 | 100 | 1,00 | 0,2 Defending: 8,6 | 18 | 43% | 3,7 | 100 | 1,00 | 3,7

No buckler, Dodging 6

Code:: AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam Attacking: 0,3 | 3 | 70% | 0,2 | 100 | 1,00 | 0,2 Defending: 8,5 | 18 | 49% | 4,2 | 100 | 1,00 | 4,2

No buckler, Dodging 10

Code:: AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam Attacking: 0,3 | 3 | 70% | 0,2 | 100 | 1,00 | 0,2 Defending: 8,6 | 18 | 40% | 3,4 | 100 | 1,00 | 3,4

+2 Buckler, Shields 4, Dodging 10

Code:: AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam Attacking: 0,3 | 3 | 68% | 0,2 | 100 | 1,00 | 0,2 Defending: 8,3 | 18 | 32% | 2,7 | 100 | 1,00 | 2,7

Tuesday, 16th August 2016, 23:16 by CypherZel

nago wrote:What is specifically troubling you in Lair:6? You have fulminant prism, mystic blast, battlesphere and lighting bolt, plus sif mufa.
In other words, very mp-efficient way to deal high AoE damage, deal high damage both to low and high EV target, and the safest way to channel mp in the game.

You shouldn't have big problem to clear that level, if you move between the 3 different staircases.
However, if for some reasons it is actually too dangerous - e.g. a deadly unique - then clearing Orc or D is a very sensible advice.

High enemy density and all 3 stairs spawned next to each other, 2 stairs literally next to a bunch of death yaks and the other very close next to elephants, I have just been popping in one and blasting or taking one or two up with me and killing them there. I did this for an hour and then gave it a rest.

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 01:27 by duvessa

Lightning bolt and airstrike are actually still amazing, just not worth learning before rmsl and swiftness.

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 04:46 by CypherZel

Should I ever train stealth then?

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 05:00 by Shard1697

I think training some eventually can be nice, but it shouldn't be a priority.

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 05:14 by CypherZel

Is this the infamous lair ending where you get jumped by dire elephants, because if it is inobodigatime4dat

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 05:40 by Doesnt

Yes it is. There is also a guaranteed anaconda(!) in the temple, the killing of which is what causes some of the statues to turn into dire elephants.

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 05:54 by CypherZel

probably has sick loot but I'm going to do orc and finish dungeons then go back to it

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 06:13 by CypherZel

Should I go elf, never been in elf before but maybe there are some benefits for a caster in there since I only play melee dudes

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 06:58 by Sprucery

Don't go to Elf until you have 2 runes and have done at least Vaults:1 - 4, possibly some Depths as well. Top-tier elves are a deadly bunch.

Also, Lair:8 does not have sick loot so don't worry about that.

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 07:36 by vergil

Doing Elf early is a fun stuff, but very rippy, if you don't have reflect+buckler max ench. Otherwise, elfs tend to do sudoku, when trying to hit you. Which is both amusing and fun to watch. My strat to deal with them.
Beware of random abyss trips tho, if your MR is low.

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 07:40 by Sprucery

vergil wrote: elfs tend to do sudoku, when trying to hit you. Which is both amusing and fun to watch.

Yeah, watching elves doing sudoku is really amusing. Crossword puzzles as well :)

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 08:04 by CypherZel

Sprucery wrote:Don't go to Elf until you have 2 runes and have done at least Vaults:1 - 4, possibly some Depths as well. Top-tier elves are a deadly bunch.

Also, Lair:8 does not have sick loot so don't worry about that.

loot was absolutely crap, randart ring rC+ Dex6

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 08:19 by nago

CypherZel wrote:
Sprucery wrote:Don't go to Elf until you have 2 runes and have done at least Vaults:1 - 4, possibly some Depths as well. Top-tier elves are a deadly bunch.

Also, Lair:8 does not have sick loot so don't worry about that.

loot was absolutely crap, randart ring rC+ Dex6

Well dex +6 isn't bad at this point of the game, depending on your base Dex and dodging is like +3ish ev, and I doubt you have something better than that

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 08:26 by bcadren

Not to contradict Duvessa too much; but stealth is extremely important on casters. It means if you make a fuckton of noise with your fireball, etc. the enemies that show up after to investigate are less likely to notice you. This can save your life if you have a hard encounter and run out of mana thus have nothing to use against the things that come because of the noise.

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 08:26 by CypherZel

nago wrote:
CypherZel wrote:
Sprucery wrote:Don't go to Elf until you have 2 runes and have done at least Vaults:1 - 4, possibly some Depths as well. Top-tier elves are a deadly bunch.

Also, Lair:8 does not have sick loot so don't worry about that.

loot was absolutely crap, randart ring rC+ Dex6

Well dex +6 isn't bad at this point of the game, depending on your base Dex and dodging is like +3ish ev, and I doubt you have something better than that

Well what I mean is that that's the only thing I got haha, it's a good ring but lair 6 has given me way better stuff in more quality, especially when that's one of the hardest endings

Wednesday, 17th August 2016, 14:24 by Sandman25

bcadren wrote:Not to contradict Duvessa too much; but stealth is extremely important on casters. It means if you make a fuckton of noise with your fireball, etc. the enemies that show up after to investigate are less likely to notice you. This can save your life if you have a hard encounter and run out of mana thus have nothing to use against the things that come because of the noise.

Stealth is nice but you should never rely on it. I mean it should never be extremely important.