Online MiFi aiming to go extended: advice/spectation welcome

[jwoodward48ss]

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1068-g99dd0f4 (webtiles) character file.

jwoodward48ss the Chopper (Minotaur Fighter)        Turns: 1789, Time: 00:05:16

Health: 31/31      AC: 14    Str: 20    XL:     3   Next: 92%
Magic:  2/2        EV:  3    Int:  5    God:   
Gold:   68         SH:  9    Dex: 12    Spells: 0 memorised, 2 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    a - +0 war axe
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    q - +0 plate armour
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    c - +0 shield
rPois  +          Spirit   .    (helmet restricted)
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    l - +2 cloak {rPois}
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    (no gloves)
SustAt .          Harm     .    (no boots)
MR     .....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  ..........               p - ring of positive energy
                                m - +2 ring of dexterity

@:
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
a: no special abilities


You are on level 2 of the Dungeon.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 2 of its levels.

You have collected 68 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +0 war axe (weapon)
Armour
 b - a +1 scale mail
 c - a +0 shield (worn)
 l - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
 q - a +0 plate armour (worn)
Jewellery
 i - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 m - a +2 ring of dexterity (left hand)
 p - a ring of positive energy (right hand)
Scrolls
 e - a scroll of amnesia
 g - 2 scrolls of identify
Potions
 d - a potion of might
 j - a fizzy grey potion
 n - a purple potion
Comestibles
 f - 2 bread rations
 h - 8 chunks of flesh
 k - 5 fruits
 o - a meat ration


   Skills:
 - Level 3.6 Fighting
 * Level 5.1 Axes
 - Level 3.6 Armour
 - Level 3.6 Shields


You have 2 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (2/15)           

Altars:


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

You butcher the hobgoblin corpse.
You butcher the goblin corpse.
h - 10 chunks of flesh (gained 2); h - 12 chunks of flesh (gained 2)
Things that are here:
a dagger; a club; a goblin skeleton
Things that are here:
a whip; a scale mail; an orc corpse
You butcher the orc corpse.
h - 14 chunks of flesh (gained 2)
Things that are here:
a whip; a scale mail
Things that are here:
a dagger; a club; a goblin skeleton
Things that are here:
a dagger; a chain mail
You now have 68 gold pieces (gained 10).
You see here 22 stones.
You spend a moment contemplating the meaning of life.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
Found a stone staircase leading down.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  2 adders (D:2)
  A worm (D:2)
  A dart slug (D:1)
  3 orcs (D:2)
  3 bats
  A giant cockroach (D:2)
  6 hobgoblins
  4 jackals (D:2)
  3 giant newts
  5 goblins
  2 kobolds (D:2)
  7 rats
  A plant (D:1)
39 creatures vanquished.

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | jwoodward48ss the Minotaur Fighter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
   246 | D:1      | Reached skill level 3 in Axes
   577 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/26 MP: 1/1
  1191 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
  1204 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/31 MP: 2/2
  1740 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3 |
---------------+----------+-----
Axes           |  3  4  5 |  5.1
Fighting       |          |  3.6
Armour         |          |  3.6
Shields        |          |  3.6

Action                   || total
-------------------------++-------
Melee: War axe           ||   106
       Headbutt          ||    16
  Use: Scroll            ||     4
  Eat: Chunk             ||     3
Armor: Scale mail        ||    25
       Plate armour      ||     8
Dodge: Dodged            ||    26
Block: Shield            ||    42

Would Trog be better than Oka for somebody aiming to go extended? Which god has worse wrath? Which god would help me past postlair game? I tend to die soon after Lair, maybe sometimes I get a rune, but Vaults/Depths are an uncommon sight.

[arandomperson12]

If you haven't gotten a win yet, then just go for 3 runes. I am not a particularly good player, but on my 15 rune mifi, I went with TSO from the start. Both Oka and Trog wrath seem nasty. Wrath occurs during/after battles, so it will often hit you at low health.

[jwoodward48ss]

Ok, I think I'll try TSO first. Should be relatively easy to get a small amount of piety until undead show up in greater quantities. (BTW, I have gotten one win. Offline, though.)

[Tungsten]

Trog wrath is managable, I've heard bad things about oka wrath after the changes.

[dowan]

I've found using Oka for the 3 rune section, then changing to tso, and doing crypt to build piety/burn through Oka wrath works pretty well. If you have the blink spell castable Oka wrath is typically quite manageable, although you might have to teleport away from time to time. It's still dangerous, of course, but then so is using TSO for your god through the 3 rune game.

One way or the other, I think TSO offers the easiest possible extended game. Killing almost anything in extended will heal you with TSO, and getting to apply the holy wrath brand to your favorite weapon is also great. Plus his active skills aren't useless either.

[Sandman25]

One way or the other, I think TSO offers the easiest possible extended game. Killing almost anything in extended will heal you with TSO, and getting to apply the holy wrath brand to your favorite weapon is also great. Plus his active skills aren't useless either.

Well, Makhleb with Necromutation is easier IMHO but it is much harder to achieve. Definitely not with Mi.

[Airwolf]

Yes, Oka/Trog -> TSO is best, I think. Oka/Trog wrath is similar: Trog's summons are berserk, which is scary, but he also has less harmful wrath options (fire burst, exhaustion/pass out, etc); Oka is straight-up 6 or so summons everytime, with some having ranged abilities, titans being the worst. Blink is good against both, but running works better against Oka's non-berserked dudes.

My favorite strategy (don't do it---I'm dumb) is to get the Abyss rune, then switch to TSO, build piety in Crypt or the Vestibule, then farm Abyss:1 to wait out wrath. If you stay in the winding terrain instead of in the open, you can often position yourself well against summons (again, Blink helps), and teleport/stairs/portals/Abyss shifts make the summons disappear forever. (Not quite: you can run into them again in Abyss with low probability, but Trog's dudes won't be berserk anymore!)

My other related strategy (again, don't do it---I'm dumb) is to go Zin after having TSO bless a weapon if I have rN+++ without TSO, for the panic button abilities (great) and mutation resistance (I'm dumb). TSO's healing is great, though. For either, train as much Invocations as you can. (Recite is particularly crazy with high Invo, but Cleansing Flame is great too, especially when surrounded and needing HP, and TSO summons are strong.)

What else? Blessing a ranged weapon is amazing if you can stand actually using it regularly. (This is free if the the rest of the game has already given you your top weapon of holy wrath.)

Now go splat some minotaurs!

[Shard1697]

It's not dumb to go Zin after TSO, getting a holy weapon is nice and it's a trivial swap since you don't get wrath and keep a bunch of piety(and you can just donate a bunch of money). Zin has great active abilities, if you train invo and remember to use them.

[BabyRage]

Zin is amazing for extended. He has the single best defensive ability in the game what else can you wish for? And recite is absolutely insane at 27 invo. I usually pick Zin over TSO. Or I use TSO for holy weapon and then switch.

[Airwolf]

It's not dumb to go Zin after TSO, getting a holy weapon is nice and it's a trivial swap since you don't get wrath and keep a bunch of piety(and you can just donate a bunch of money). Zin has great active abilities, if you train invo and remember to use them.

I said dumb there because avoiding malmutations is part of my motivation for going Zin, which is frowned upon around here.

[Shard1697]

it shouldn't be tbh

malmutate is a pain and it's nice to nullify it