Lich form vs bloodless vampire

[seren]

I probably want to play a Necro next.

I am looking at some combination of species and God, I am tempted to play a Vp^Kiku.

I have read carefully the description of bloodless vampire and lich form, and while they are quite similar it seems they are imporant distinction.

Pro Bloodless Vampire against Lich form:
* you can quaff potion (so you can get rid of confusion)
* no MP cost/ spell level cost / failure to cast
* get it at d:1

Cons Bloodless Vampire against Lich form:
* you can not enter the form at will (need to wait for hunger go build)
* Lich form allow health regeneration (?)
* Lich form as +MR, +AC, +Necromancy power


Are they any other major difference I am missing ?

[nago]

The experience cost required to get a lv.8 dual school spells which provides in most real situations little or no benefits.
Aka, absolutely don't do that in 3 runes game. In 15 you may have so much experience you can do if you really want - but the question is why? Just play bloodless Vp and quaff blood when you need to regen.

[Lacuenta]

Bloodless Vampire is not immune to mutations contrary to lichform.

[radinms]

both forms are bad forms, at least, are far from optimal

[DrKe]

vampires also can't use lich form

[seren]

vampires also can't use lich form

That's the point of my question. Since you can only have one form and not both, I want to know what I gain and lose by choosing a vampire.

But maybe this is an irrelevant question, if the form is useless in any case.

[seren]

The experience cost required to get a lv.8 dual school spells which provides in most real situations little or no benefits.
Aka, absolutely don't do that in 3 runes game. In 15 you may have so much experience you can do if you really want - but the question is why? Just play bloodless Vp and quaff blood when you need to regen.

Yes the cost seems prohibitive, just to get Torment resistance you can get by other mean.

[ydeve]

You already have hungerless casting. If you want to play Vp then just go Vp. Necromutation is for people who don't want to play Vp/Mu but want to spam lvl9 spells. (Or for people who really, really value torment resistance I guess, but you also have that as Vp)

To clarify, the downside to playing Vp instead of necromutation is that you're playing Vp. Lots of people hate Vp's fiddly hunger management minigame.

[edgefigaro]

Learn to love batform, +stealth. Vampires are amazing once you recognize the goal is to play as low on blood as you can feasibly get away with.

A vamp dagger + confuse or invis is generally a won game.

[DrKe]

bottle everything

[mopl]

bottle everything

And don't clear Orc for free blood later on...

[edgefigaro]

bottle everything

And don't clear Orc for free blood later on...

Agreed. I generally skip elf1.

[seren]

bottle everything

And don't clear Orc for free blood later on...

I have added the tips to the wiki, it is probably true for any form of Hunger management though. But since potion of blood have a longer shelf life than chunks it makes more sense.