Su antiskillrobin

[Sandman25]

What's the best species and god for character who trains nothing but Summoning?

Gods:
1) Sif Muna. Though its protection from miscast is kind of wasted later
2) Yred/Beough. Attractive because of extra meat shield and you don't care about XP penalty anyway
3) Gozag. Good only for Mu/Sp probably.

Species:
1) Fe (aptitude 0) can escape and has gourmand, though I am not sure how long it can live without Dodging/Fighting.
2) Te (2) has excellent aptitude in summoning
3) Mu (-2). Good synergy with Sif Muna/Gozag.
4) Sp (-2). Excellent escape and synergy with Gozag.
5) Gr (-1). Intrinsic AC.
6) HO (0). Beough.

Thoughts?

[dynast]

Gozag on a summoner is awful.
Never pick Beogh if your not training axes.
Not sure why Gr if you plan to hide behind your summons.
Sp will have food issues unless you go gozag.

I assume you gonna be training invo/evo.

[dowan]

Sounds terrible. Why would you do this to yourself?

But, if you absolutely insist, Yred seems like a decent choice, as he seems to win a 3 rune game on his own anyway.
Who cares about aptitude? You're not going to be training anything else, I don't think it's going to be that important honestly.
Maybe a draconian? Then you'll have a breath attack even without any skill, which can be useful, and the free AC will probably come in handy.

My main recommendation is to not torture yourself in this way though.

[Sandman25]

Gozag on a summoner is awful.
Never pick Beogh if your not training axes.
Not sure why Gr if you plan to hide behind your summons.
Sp will have food issues unless you go gozag.

I assume you gonna be training invo/evo.

1. Why?
2. Why?
3. To survive bolts.
4. Oh, true. Almost 0 spellcasting means full hunger.

5. Other skills can be trained only after Summoning has reached 27.

[Sandman25]

Sounds terrible. Why would you do this to yourself?

But, if you absolutely insist, Yred seems like a decent choice, as he seems to win a 3 rune game on his own anyway.
Who cares about aptitude? You're not going to be training anything else, I don't think it's going to be that important honestly.
Maybe a draconian? Then you'll have a breath attack even without any skill, which can be useful, and the free AC will probably come in handy.

My main recommendation is to not torture yourself in this way though.

Aptitude is still important because I would not like to fight late game monsters while still training Summoning.
Oh, I forgot about draconians, can be good and fun indeed.

[dynast]

No invo means you have no purpose picking up a god other than gozag and xom.
Beogh wont do shit for you, your game will be just a bunch of orcs dying all the time because you cant protect them(you cant tell your orcs to retreat and your summons to attack, for example).
Gozag on summoners means you just ditched the gold distraction feature and that you gonna spend all your gold funding book and food shops.

[Zooty]

What about Ash? Can you stop training when boosted skill is 27 instead of base? Is transfer knowledge ok?

[Sandman25]

What about Ash? Can you stop training when boosted skill is 27 instead of base? Is transfer knowledge ok?

Unless it was changed in trunk Ash does nothing for skills with 0 levels so I think it is not good for the challenge. Transfer would be a no-no.

[byrel]

Actually, Ash gives a small boost to 0 skills in trunk. Like 0.7 ish, which scales up quickly.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=co ... 0db000d6d7

[Sprucery]

How about Nemelex (obviously nor so powerful with Evo 0, but still useful and you could train Evo later) or Ru (I've only tried Ru once so I don't really know)?

[emikaela]

ru seems like the best 0 skill god and a mummy won't starve. hence musu^ru. also, it rhymes.

[Sandman25]

Also musuru sounds almost like "to trash" in Russian

[duvessa]

0 invo sif is still really good for musu

[tabstorm]

GrSu^Sif

0 skill channeling is fine. Gr is pretty survivable with the AC bonus and good resists. Unfortunately all the channeling and eating the entire dungeon will be pretty frustrating.

[Sandman25]

all the channeling ... frustrating.

That's ok, I imported HilariousDeathArtist's script into my init.txt, now it takes a single key press to channel mana up to max.

[tabstorm]

It's more the eating after channeling that I find frustrating, or during battles. Summoners just take forever to play in general.

[dynast]

all the channeling ... frustrating.

That's ok, I imported HilariousDeathArtist's script into my init.txt, now it takes a single key press to channel mana up to max.

OH GIMME GIMME GIMME!

[Sandman25]

True, there is no tab for summoners Eating is done automatically too by the way. I don't like to eat during battles either but it does not happen often, it's usually safer to retreat and reset the fight.

[Sar]

there's tab for summoners, it's called tab

won't work with your challenge though!

[Sandman25]

OH GIMME GIMME GIMME!

http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/HDTravel.rc

[Sandman25]

there's tab for summoners, it's called tab

won't work with your challenge though!

I am fine with using melee this time. Training challenge is hard enough, I don't expect to win.

[bcadren]

Other races that are worth considering:

DE: High Int will help with hunger costs and allow you to get up to level 3 spells of other school online with no training. Additionally if you use Spellcasting as your second skill, they'd be able to cast most level 6 spells at low spellpower with just spellcasting; because of the Int. (Deflect Missiles and Haste Help; also if you pick Bows as second skill good chance of 0 skill PProj through summons).

HE: Similar note to DE, just not frail and not AS high of Int.

Te: Mostly just highest Apt for Summoning means you can train something else earlier.

Ko: Carnivore III helps. (Fe-- has same summoning apt and Carnivore III too; but do you really want to play a cat AND additional challenge)?

Other gods to consider:

Chei: Int boost will let you use non-summoning spells at 0 skill; STR boost will let you cast in heavier armour without training armour.
Fedhas/Yred: More Thralls; basically. With 0 Invo mushrooms aren't that strong, but their Confusion Melee always has a chance to work.
Jiyva: Doesn't use Invo so you could easily use Slimify if you needed it. Good mutations could help.
Okawaru: Make a 0 Skill weapon into a 5 Skill weapon. (Heroism has good chance of working at 0 Invo; Finesse, not so much).
Ru: Doesn't use Invo, gives you more abilities you don't have to train for.
Xom: Good mutations; long time with enemies in LoS means better chance of positive action.

[njvack]

DE: High Int will help with hunger costs

As far as I know, hunger is reduced by int * spellcasting, so high int won't do anything if spellcasting is still 0.

[bcadren]

DE: High Int will help with hunger costs

As far as I know, hunger is reduced by int * spellcasting, so high int won't do anything if spellcasting is still 0.

Summoner start is low, but non-zero Spellcasting. I'm not Wizmoding it this second, but with DE's 3! apt it's probably 3-4.

[njvack]

Oh yeah, good call.

[nago]

Probably with antiskill Robin I'd go with Ce - your defence will be little worse than other races at 0 skill but you can run from anything, don't have so much problem like Sp with food and after summoning you can train Fighting to get lots of hp.
Probably mu is kinda decent.

Ru probably is most solid, as it gives very good benefit for a challenge like that and you can sacrifice lot of things you probably won't use anyway (like some skills).

Btw with antiskillrobin is allowed to use things you don't have trained skill yet (like tab?)

[Sandman25]

Btw with antiskillrobin is allowed to use things you don't have trained skill yet (like tab?)

Yes. I remember Sphara won a VS of Nemelex with Evocations recently.

[Sphara]

Btw with antiskillrobin is allowed to use things you don't have trained skill yet (like tab?)

Yes. I remember Sphara won a VS of Nemelex with Evocations recently.

It was VSAr of Ru with 2 maxed stats (Evo and Fighting).

Got lucky with loot, labyrinth being the turning point:
3316 | D:3 | Identified the +2 leather armour "Lohyosy" {rPois+ Slay+5} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)

12691 | Lab | Identified a +4 rod of clouds (14/14) {!a} (You found it in a labyrinth)
12692 | Lab | Identified a +0 iron rod (13/13) {!a} (You found it in a labyrinth)
13081 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 20 in Evocations

[nago]

Why Ru and not nemelex with Evo being the first skill?

[Sphara]

Why Ru and not nemelex with Evo being the first skill?

Now that I look my actions with Ru compared to what I sacrificed...
Power Leap | | | | 1 | | | | | || 1
Apocalypse | | | | | | | 2 | 3 | 5 || 10
Draw Out Power | | | | | | | 1 | 1 | 2 || 4

..then I gotta say, yes, Nemelex would have been better.

[Sandman25]

OH GIMME GIMME GIMME!

http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/HDTravel.rc

And here is corresponding part if you need just channeling and nothing else. Probably I copied it from WhiteShark, I don't remember now, it was posted to the forum some time ago.

  Code:

#Credit to Hilarious Death Artist, from whom I copied most of this from his HDAtravel function.

#Created by WhiteShark

#TODO: Add a check for gourmand for want_to_eat() so that those with it will eat to engorged before continuing to channel.

#Use by making a macro with the following function call without the #
#===SafeChannel

force_more_message += No longer safe to continue channelling.
force_more_message += Your reserves of magic are already full.

autoinscribe += staff of energy:@w1

: function SafeChannel()
:  local mp, max_mp = you.mp()
:  local want_to_eat = you_are_hungry()
:  local you_are_starving = you.hunger_name() == "starving"
:  local have_no_chunks = have_no_chunks()
:  local first_monster = next(getMonsterList())
:  local is_safe = (first_monster == nil)
:  local staff_of_energy_is_equipped = is_weapon("staff of energy")
:  local you_are_sif = string.find(you.god(), "Sif")
:  --crawl.mpr(string.format("you.piety_rank() is: %s", you.piety_rank()))
:  --crawl.mpr(string.format("want_to_eat is: %s", want_to_eat and "True" or "False"))
:  if is_safe and not you_are_starving then
:   if want_to_eat and not have_no_chunks then
:     sendkeys('e')
:   elseif (mp == max_mp) then
:     crawl.mpr("<cyan>Your reserves of magic are already full.</cyan>")
:   elseif you_are_sif and (you.piety_rank() > 0) then
:     sendkeys('aa')
:   elseif not staff_of_energy_is_equipped then
:     sendkeys('w1')
:   else
:     sendkeys('v')
:   end
:  else
:    crawl.mpr("<red>No longer safe to continue channelling.</red>")
:  end
: end

<

  function sendkeys(command)
    crawl.flush_input()
    crawl.sendkeys(command)
    coroutine.yield(true)
    crawl.flush_input()
  end

  function is_weapon(str)
    local weapon =  items.equipped_at("Weapon")
    if weapon then
      return string.find(weapon.name(), str)
    else
      return false
    end
  end

  function getMonsterList()
      local monsters = {}
      for x = -7,7 do
        for y = -7,7 do
          m = monster.get_monster_at(x, y)
          local attitude_hostile = 0
          if m and (m:attitude() == attitude_hostile) and not (m:is_firewood()) then
            desc = m:desc()
            if (monsters[desc] == nil) then
              monsters[desc] = 1
            else
              monsters[desc] = monsters[desc] + 1
            end
          end
        end
      end
      return monsters
    end

  function you_are_hungry()
    return ((string.find(you.hunger_name(), "hungry")) or (string.find(you.hunger_name(), "very hungry")) or
(string.find(you.hunger_name(), "near starving"))) and not (string.find(you.hunger_name(), "not hungry"))
  end

  function inventory()
    return iter.invent_iterator:new(items.inventory())
  end

  function have_no_chunks()
    for it in inventory() do
      if string.find(it.name(), "chunk") then
        return false
      end
    end
    return true
  end

>


[duvessa]

there's tab for summoners, it's called tab

won't work with your challenge though!

don't knock antiskillrobin tab 'till you've tried it

Assuming you don't want to cheese through the first half of the game with fedhas I really think sif is the best god for this conduct; channeling is nuts with summoning, the amnesia is good for managing your low spell slots, and you don't really want to be stuck with just your starting book when you aren't allowed to train anything else. Mu/Gh/Vp is most convenient since you will be getting full spell hunger all game and that's really annoying (and summoning with channeling basically gets rid of everything that makes Mu bad), but if you are playing a Summonings antiskillrobin you must want to be annoyed in the first place.
If you want to use a god that isn't sif, it'd basically come down to the generic good ones except for kiku and trog. I do not understand at all why you would want yred, beogh, or gozag.

[Sandman25]

I do not understand at all why you would want yred, beogh, or gozag.

yred, beogh - To make the game more interesting and have an extra panic button (Recall allies as extra meat shield in case I am almost out of MP and cannot escape).
gozag - for potions in case I go with Mu.

I will try Dr of Sif Muna first.

[Sandman25]

Oops, sorry, that safe channeling doe snot restore all MP, you still need to press the key multiple times

[Sandman25]

I think it should be Mu of Sif Muna, Dr has problems with hunger: due to spellcasting 2 I have low MP and high hunger so I channel mana too often and need to eat during battles.

[WingedEspeon]

Why no Dr? anything else cant train armor to negate the armor penalties, and Dr has +1 HP apt and scales to make up for no armour. Maybe not the strongest choice in the game, but probably stronger than HO.

[nago]

After few days of terrible internet connection today I managed to play a VpSu^Sif Muna:

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1646-geb1493d (webtiles) character file.

nago the Demonologist (Vampire Summoner)           Turns: 57852, Time: 02:32:52

Health: 96/96      AC: 19    Str:  5    XL:     16   Next: 24%
Magic:  19/19      EV: 12    Int: 30    God:    Sif Muna [******]
Gold:   2283       SH:  0    Dex: 16    Spells: 3 memorised, 1 level left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     a - +2 long sword (protect)
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     F - +3 leather armour "Reoriygeid" {+Blink rElec Str-2 Int+5}
rNeg   + + .     SustAt   +     (no shield)
rPois  .         Gourm    .     Z - +2 helmet
rElec  +         Spirit   .     N - +0 cloak
rCorr  .         Warding  .     x - +2 pair of gloves {rC+}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     M - +0 pair of boots
MR     ++...                    O - amulet of regeneration {+regen,}
Stlth  +++.......               o - ring of protection from magic {MR+,}
                                v - ring of Perfectionism {SustAt rC+ rN+ Int+2}

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: fangs 3, see invisible, unbreathing
a: Bat Form, Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink
}: 1/15 runes: serpentine


You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Sif Muna.
Sif Muna is exalted by your worship.
You are not thirsty.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 31 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 3606 gold pieces.
You have spent 1323 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +2 long sword of protection (weapon)
   (You took it off Blork the orc on level 5 of the Dungeon)
 b - a +1 demon blade of electrocution
   (You found it in an ice cave)
 d - a +4 blowgun
   (You took it off Sonja on level 15 of the Dungeon)
Missiles
 y - 4 throwing nets {=f, !d}
 J - 13 curare-tipped needles
 K - 732 stones (quivered)
Armour
 x - a +2 pair of gloves of cold resistance (worn)
   (You found it in an ice cave)
 F - the +3 leather armour "Reoriygeid" (worn) {+Blink rElec Str-2 Int+5}
   (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)   
   
   It affects your strength (-2).
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you blink.
 M - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
   (You bought it in a shop on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 N - a +0 cloak (worn)
   (You took it off Maurice on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 Z - a +2 helmet (worn)
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
Jewellery
 j - an uncursed ring of protection from fire {rF+,}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 o - a ring of protection from magic (right hand) {MR+,}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
 p - an uncursed ring of teleportation {+/*tele,}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
 v - the ring of Perfectionism (left hand) {SustAt rC+ rN+ Int+2}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of sustain attributes]
   
   It sustains your strength, intelligence and dexterity.
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 O - an amulet of regeneration (around neck) {+regen,}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
Scrolls
 f - 5 scrolls of fog
 s - a scroll of summoning
 t - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 B - 2 scrolls of blinking {!r}
 R - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 T - 3 scrolls of magic mapping {!r}
Potions
 c - 39 potions of blood {@q1}
 h - 4 potions of heal wounds
 k - 2 potions of magic
 m - a potion of might
 r - 3 potions of resistance
 u - 4 potions of brilliance
 w - 7 potions of flight
 A - 2 potions of agility
 C - 11 potions of curing
 H - 2 potions of haste
 Q - 4 potions of cancellation
 V - 4 potions of ambrosia {!q}
Books
 e - a book of Ice
   (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)
 g - Acoephun's Volume of Calling
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Butterflies           Summoning                     1
    b - Summon Small Mammal          Summoning                     1
    c - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    d - Recall                       Summoning/Translocation       3
    e - Monstrous Menagerie          Summoning                     6
    f - Haunt                        Necromancy/Summoning          7
 i - Roxanne's Disquisition on Transformation and Clay
   (You took it off Roxanne on level 14 of the Dungeon)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Passwall                     Transmutation/Earth           3
    b - Alistair's Intoxication      Transmutation/Poison          4
    c - Statue Form                  Transmutation/Earth           6
    d - Hydra Form                   Transmutation                 6
 l - Sif Muna's Grimoire of Companions
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Butterflies           Summoning                     1
    b - Shadow Creatures             Summoning                     5
    c - Malign Gateway               Summoning/Translocation       7
    d - Summon Greater Demon         Summoning                     7
 n - a book of Summonings
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 q - Sif Muna's Papyrus of Creation
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Small Mammal          Summoning                     1
    b - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    c - Summon Lightning Spire       Summoning/Air                 4
    d - Summon Horrible Things       Summoning                     8
 z - a book of Minor Magic
   (You found it on level 4 of the Snake Pit)
 D - a book of the Warp
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 E - a book of Air
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 G - a book of Conjurations
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 I - Sif Muna's Papyrus of Calling
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 15 of the Dungeon)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Butterflies           Summoning                     1
    b - Summon Small Mammal          Summoning                     1
    c - Call Canine Familiar         Summoning                     3
    d - Recall                       Summoning/Translocation       3
    e - Summon Mana Viper            Hexes/Summoning               5
    f - Spellforged Servitor         Conjuration/Summoning         7
 S - a book of Battle
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 U - Vume's Volume of the Bewitching Frostbite
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 3 of the Snake Pit)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Ensorcelled Hibernation      Hexes/Ice                     2
    b - Ozocubu's Armour             Charms/Ice                    3
    c - Summon Ice Beast             Ice/Summoning                 4
    d - Condensation Shield          Ice                           4
    e - Metabolic Englaciation       Hexes/Ice                     5
 W - a book of Callings
 X - a book of Cantrips
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
 Y - Sif Muna's Disquisition on Creation
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Small Mammal          Summoning                     1
    b - Call Imp                     Summoning                     2
    c - Summon Ice Beast             Ice/Summoning                 4
    d - Monstrous Menagerie          Summoning                     6
    e - Haunt                        Necromancy/Summoning          7
Miscellaneous
 L - a lamp of fire
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 P - a phial of floods
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)


   Skills:
 - Level 2.1 Dodging
 - Level 3.0 Stealth
 - Level 2.0 Spellcasting
 + Level 25.8 Summonings


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
c - Summon Horrible Thin  Summ           ########..   2%          8    #######
v - Summon Lightning Spi  Summ/Air       ######..     1%          4    ####...
x - Monstrous Menagerie   Summ           ########..   1%          6    #######


Despite the awful equipment (I had also a baazar -.-) very close to get summon at 27, I wonder what second skill train next. I'd choose either between:
- spellcasting: more spell slots so I can actually get some utilities spell, less failure rate for lower spell so I can learn most good lv.3- spells, some more mp which isn't really bad
- fighting: ek, so I could get some hp, I'm used to get 90hp before Lair, not in Vaults!

[Sandman25]

I would go for Spellcasting even as Dr, as VS it is even better as it serves as HP too. With 19 MP you will have problems killing fast enough IMHO.

[nago]

Vp not VS

[Sandman25]

Vp not VS

Oops. Then I don't know, Vp cannot die to starvation. It's up to you, both options are good. I was lucky to find 2 rings of +9 MP in shops in my game (and I bought one because I couldn't cast another monster menagerie due to cap anyway).

[Sphara]

There's XL 15 GrSu of Ru in CSZO trunk that has cleared Lair, Orc and D:15. Clearing things solely with Ice Beasts and Shadow Creatures.

- Summonings at 22
- Staff of Power to have even slightly tolerable amount of MP
- Some decent melee for weaker shit and good evasion from rings
- Sacrificed: Armour, Stealth, Courage, Arcana (air/necro/charms), Potions (ouch)
- Every basic resistance for a Gargoyle in an artifact robe

I would definitely pick up Spellcasting for the next skill. Game has spawn every good summoning spell there is available.
Dragon's Call, Grand Grimoire, Book of Summonings..
There's also 2 book shops with good backup spells and shitloads of gold coz Orc shops were a disappointment.

If the next player wants to get Fighting, so be it. I wouldn't with these things available for picking Spellcasting.
I wont play it anymore or I'll get my left hand numb too.

*had to edit god dammit!!! that Arcana sacrifice pretty much wipes out all backup spells.. well.. do you need much backup when you have Dragons' Call, Monstrous Menagerie and Summon HT for a 3 rune game?

[nago]

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1236839 nago the Hellbinder (level 23, 112/134 HPs)
             Began as a Vampire Summoner on Aug 9, 2015.
             Was the Champion of Sif Muna.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes on Aug 10, 2015!
             
             The game lasted 06:24:42 (120340 turns).

nago the Hellbinder (Vampire Summoner)            Turns: 120340, Time: 06:24:42

Health: 112/134    AC: 20    Str:  3      XL:     23   Next: 90%
Magic:  40/68      EV: 18    Int: 25 (27) God:    Sif Muna [******]
Gold:   6243       SH:  0    Dex: 19      Spells: 12 memorised, 16 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     a - staff of power {MP+17, !a}
rCold  + + +     Clarity  .     x - +2 robe {rC+ rF+}
rNeg   + + +     SustAt   +     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     l - +2 hat {Spirit}
rElec  .         Spirit   +     g - +4 dragonskin cloak
rCorr  .         Warding  +     O - +2 pair of gloves {rC+}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     q - +1 pair of boots of Fykluc {Regen+ Dex+4}
MR     ++...                    T - macabre finger necklace {Ward rN+}
Stlth  +.........               v - +5 ring of evasion {=R}
                                z - +4 ring of protection {=R}
                                p - ring of Perfectionism {SustAt rC+ rN+ Int+2}

@: regenerating (expiring), repel missiles, very resistant to hostile
enchantments, very unstealthy
A: fangs 3, horns 1, see invisible, clumsy 1, screaming 1, weak 2, unbreathing
a: Bat Form, Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy


You escaped.
You worshipped Sif Muna.
Sif Muna was exalted by your worship.
You were near bloodless.

You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 61 of its levels.
You visited 1 bazaar.
You also visited: Ice Cave.

You collected 8761 gold pieces.
You spent 2518 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 b - a +5 vampiric glaive
   (You took it off Tiamat on level 1 of the Realm of Zot)
 d - the +5 blowgun of Crawling {evade, rC+ Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+5 to EV).
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from cold.
 N - a +8 lajatang of protection
   (You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 U - the +6 Majin-Bo {vamp, Archmagi MP+6 Int+6}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Realm of Zot)   
   
   It inflicts no extra harm, but heals its wielder somewhat when it strikes a
   living foe.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+6).
   It affects your magic capacity (+6).
Missiles
 k - 13 throwing nets {=f, !d}
 J - 27 curare-tipped needles
 K - 1702 stones (quivered)
Armour
 g - the +4 dragonskin cloak (worn)
   (You took it off Tiamat on level 1 of the Realm of Zot)
 l - a +2 hat of spirit shield (worn)
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 q - the +1 pair of boots of Fykluc (worn) {Regen+ Dex+4}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 x - a +2 robe of resistance (worn)
   (You took it off an orc wizard on level 1 of the Vaults)
 O - a +2 pair of gloves of cold resistance (worn)
   (You found it in an ice cave)
Magical staves
 a - an uncursed staff of power (weapon) {MP+17, !a}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Vaults)
 e - an uncursed staff of fire {rF+}
   (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
Jewellery
 o - an uncursed ring of protection from fire {rF+,}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 p - the ring of Perfectionism (on amulet) {SustAt rC+ rN+ Int+2}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of sustain attributes]
   
   It sustains your strength, intelligence and dexterity.
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 v - a +5 ring of evasion (right hand) {=R}
   (You took it off a deep elf conjurer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
 z - a +4 ring of protection (left hand) {=R}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Elven Halls)
 E - an uncursed ring of teleportation {+/*tele,}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
 T - the macabre finger necklace (around neck) {Ward rN+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 W - the amulet of Ynaagh {Clar rElec MR+ Dex+7 Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Shoals)   
   
   [amulet of clarity]
   
   It provides mental clarity.
   It affects your dexterity (+7).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 X - an uncursed ring of protection from magic {MR+,}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Dungeon)
Magical devices
 y - a wand of disintegration (13)
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)
 D - a wand of digging (5)
   (You took it off a yaktaur on level 4 of the Vaults)
 Y - a wand of teleportation (6)
   (You found it on level 2 of the Crypt)
 Z - a wand of heal wounds (3)
   (You acquired it on level 4 of the Depths)
Scrolls
 f - 8 scrolls of fog
 i - 5 scrolls of identify
 s - 2 scrolls of summoning
 t - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 B - 7 scrolls of blinking {!r}
 F - 3 scrolls of fear
 G - 4 scrolls of recharging
 I - 5 scrolls of magic mapping {!r}
 R - 16 scrolls of remove curse
Potions
 c - 11 potions of blood {@q1}
 j - 4 potions of magic
 m - 4 potions of might
 r - 3 potions of resistance
 u - 5 potions of brilliance
 w - 3 potions of invisibility
 A - 4 potions of agility
 C - 19 potions of curing
 H - 3 potions of haste
 Q - 5 potions of cancellation
 S - a potion of cure mutation {!q}
 V - 5 potions of ambrosia {!q}
Miscellaneous
 L - a lamp of fire
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
 M - 3 phantom mirrors
 P - a phial of floods
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)


   Skills:
 - Level 2.1 Dodging
 - Level 3.0 Stealth
 + Level 26.3 Spellcasting
 O Level 27 Summonings


You had 16 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ####....     2%          3    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
c - Summon Horrible Thin  Summ           ########..   1%          8    ####...
d - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ####..       1%          2    None
g - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ####......   2%          3    None
w - Aura of Abjuration    Summ           ########..   0%          5    None
x - Monstrous Menagerie   Summ           ########..   0%          6    None
B - Haunt                 Necr/Summ      #######...   3%          7    ##.....
C - Dragon's Call         Summ           ########..   3%          9    ######.
R - Summon Butterflies    Summ           ########     0%          1    None
V - Malign Gateway        Summ/Tloc      #######...   3%          7    ##.....
X - Shadow Creatures      Summ           N/A          0%          5    None


Mine's done. Hugh the pain, in the long run it's annoying like hell. Probably worse than a Mu, with that pointless food clock to take care! And quite few experience, I hoped to get at least some fighting but no, I couldn't even max spellcasting...
This conduit should be forced on new players who overtrain skills, especially suboptimal like spellcasting or shield: I haven't got a skill with flat apt to 27 since looong time, it's insane to actually test how much exp it eats to get over lv.20!

[WingedEspeon]

If your allowed to use sensible skill training after your first skill hits 27, the polearm one is easy. However, Mf polearm apt is far from flat...

[duvessa]

No, after reaching 27 with the first skill you just have to train another skill to 27.

[byrel]

That still sounds like MfGl could be pretty easy. Polearms->dodging.

[Sandman25]

Of course it's easy, that's why there are 2 Mf wins in http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/playe ... skillrobin

[Sphara]

That still sounds like MfGl could be pretty easy. Polearms->dodging.

It should be easy as antiskill games go. It's been done once already btw.

You can have Polearms maxed way before you reach Lair:8 and Dodging will be very high after you got 2 runes. I'd go Fighting as 2nd skill but it's certainly doable with Dodging too.

[Sandman25]

Yes, plate armour and scrolls of enchant armour make Dodging redundant. Why don't we have a body armour which gives +10 EV and can give even more when enchanted with corresponding scrolls?

[Sphara]

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/antiskillrobin/morgue-antiskillrobin-20150822-214603.txt

GrSu^Ru done.

Not surprisingly all the fast enemies caused all the worst situations. Shrikes, spriggan defenders, oof:s... Also deep troll earth mages are no fun for a gargoyle without Fighting skill. Ancient lich LRD:d me once at 90HP. Again I forgot about their variable spellset. I wonder if a bad RNG roll could have killed me instantly there? I'm under the impression it would have been possible.

Kinda tedious experience but at least I had to be on my toes during the entire game.

[Sandman25]

Ancient Lich does 3d37 with Throw Icicle/Bolt of Cold, 3d39 with Fireball, 9d10 with OoD when adjacent, 3d33 with Bolt of Draining, its Battlesphere deals 2d21, full range OoD does 9d20, Poison Arrows does 3d34.
I failed to get any LCS or Iron Shots in 100+ tries, have they been removed?

I don't understand this:

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The ancient lich points at you and mumbles some strange words.
The orb of energy hits you!
Rolled 61 for 3d30

Is it IMB?

Edit. Acid:

  Code:

The bolt of acid hits you!
Rolled 35 for 3d28
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Rolled 3 for 2d4
The acid corrodes you!
Rolled 11 for 4d5
The acid burns!

It was during a single turn. 2d4 is corrosion, 35+11 was damage.

Edit2. Usual lich.

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The lich points at you and mumbles some strange words.
The iron shot hits you!
Rolled 72 for 3d34

The lich points at you and mumbles some strange words.
The crystal spear hits you!
Rolled 65 for 3d40