Let's play another round of 'What weapon(s) do I use?'


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Halls Hopper

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Joined: Tuesday, 16th September 2014, 15:52

Post Tuesday, 2nd December 2014, 15:52

Let's play another round of 'What weapon(s) do I use?'

Hi all,

I started a Centaur Hunter with Bows, but I've found quite a number of randArts and I'm trying to nail down what my best ranged and melee options are at the moment. I haven't even found the Lair yet, and no skills are leveled terribly highly. For bows I haven't found anything better than my starting +1 Shortbow, so is it worth making the switch to crossbows for the +4 hand crossbow of Perversion {speed, Stlth++}? It's not end game, but it'll be nice for the mid-game, and I've already skilled it to within 4 levels of my bows skill. Should I make use of both to avoid ammo issues? I was surprised to see no cross-training between them.

For my melee option, is a +8 lajatang "Smyutat" {slice, +Fly rElec} much better than a +10 mace "Heshriem" {flame, Noisy +Fly rF+ rC+ rN+}, given that I have some maces skill already? I suspect the Noisy will help to get my killed, but I'm digging everything else about it.

I've also got a ring of {Slay + 5, Cold} sitting in a shop for when I can collect another 600 gold, if that changes anything.

Here is a dump:

  Code:
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.0 (tiles) character file.

Horseyhoofy the Archer (Centaur Hunter)            Turns: 14445, Time: 00:40:53

HP  89/89        AC 15     Str 15      XL: 11   Next:  4%
MP   8/8         EV  9     Int 13      God: Okawaru [****..]
Gold 264         SH  0     Dex 15      Spells:  0 memorised, 10 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .     R - +9 dagger "Bupoapt" {flame, Dex+2}
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     v - +2 leather armour "Klaur" {rC+}
rNeg   . . .     rCorr    .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rRot     .     P - +0 helmet
rElec  .         Spirit   .     J - +1 cloak of Nolyrefo {Int+3}
SustAb .         Warding  .     Q - +1 pair of gloves
rMut   +         Stasis   .     (no barding)
Gourm  .                        L - amulet of resist mutation
MR     .....                    s - cursed +4 ring of protection
                                x - cursed ring of poison resistance

@: very quick, not resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3
a: Heroism, Renounce Religion


You are on level 8 of the Dungeon.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is greatly pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 10 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary.

You have collected 511 gold pieces.
You have spent 247 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - the +10 mace "Heshriem" {flame, Noisy +Fly rF+ rC+ rN+}
   (You took it off an orc on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to
   double damage against particularly susceptible opponents.
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you fly.
   It may make noises in combat.
 b - a +1 shortbow
 l - the +4 hand crossbow of Perversion {speed, Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.
   
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 K - the +8 lajatang "Smyutat" {slice, +Fly rElec}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you fly.
 R - the +9 dagger "Bupoapt" (weapon) {flame, Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It emits flame when wielded, causing extra injury to most foes and up to
   double damage against particularly susceptible opponents.
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
Missiles
 c - 180 arrows
 d - 15 arrows of frost
 i - 15 poisoned arrows
 n - 12 bolts
 E - 18 poisoned bolts
Armour
 v - the +2 leather armour "Klaur" (worn) {rC+}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It protects you from cold.
 J - the cursed +1 cloak of Nolyrefo (worn) {Int+3}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 P - a +0 helmet (worn)
 Q - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
Magical devices
 k - a wand of digging {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
 f - 7 bread rations
 o - 15 fruits
 t - 8 slices of pizza
 A - 8 meat rations
 C - a beef jerky
Scrolls
 j - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 2 scrolls of fog
 p - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 y - a scroll labeled LOUTEU SAYJ
 z - 2 scrolls of identify
 H - a scroll of teleportation
 M - a scroll labeled FIALEKK FIRIW
 N - a scroll labeled UMIEVV MORR
 O - a scroll labeled HASYMN FISOAM
 T - a scroll of enchant armour
 U - a scroll labeled THIXIE DOHI
 V - a scroll of immolation
 Z - a scroll labeled FIGAATHAAN
Jewellery
 s - a cursed +4 ring of protection (right hand)
 x - a cursed ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 L - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
Potions
 e - 2 potions of berserk rage
 g - 4 inky potions
 h - 5 white potions
 q - a potion of mutation
 r - 2 potions of agility
 u - a bubbling black potion
 w - a potion of porridge
 B - 3 potions of cure mutation
 D - a potion of cancellation
 F - a potion of confusion
 G - a potion of flight
 S - 2 potions of restore abilities
 W - a brown potion
 X - an orange potion
 Y - a silvery potion


   Skills:
 - Level 6.0 Fighting
 + Level 8.7 Maces & Flails
   Level 0.6 Polearms
 - Level 13.1 Bows
 + Level 9.3 Crossbows
 - Level 1.3 Dodging
 - Level 0.5 Stealth


You have 10 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/15)             Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (0/4) D:9
  Lair: D:8-11     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:7 [   D:8 =


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin (AC +3).


Message History

The giant gecko bites you but does no damage.
You closely miss the giant gecko.
The giant gecko is severely wounded.
The giant gecko barely misses you.
You barely miss the giant gecko.
The giant gecko is severely wounded.
The giant gecko barely misses you.
You hit the giant gecko. You burn the giant gecko.
You kill the giant gecko!
Okawaru accepts your kill.
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
The +10 mace "Heshriem" {flame, Noisy +Fly rF+ rC+ rN+} stops flaming.
K - the +8 lajatang "Smyutat" (weapon) {slice, +Fly rElec}
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You feel agile.
It bursts into flame!
R - the +9 dagger "Bupoapt" (weapon) {flame, Dex+2}
Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A hydra (D:8)
  The ghost of SlimeyFace the Grappler, an experienced TrMo (D:8)
  The ghost of Horseyhoofy the Archer, an average CeHu (D:4)
  Grinder (D:5)
  A hill giant zombie (D:9)
  3 hippogriffs
  2 yaks (D:8)
  3 sky beasts
  3 ice beasts
  2 water moccasins (D:6)
  3 orc warriors
  9 centaurs
  2 crocodiles
  3 ogres
  4 big kobolds (D:8)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:7)
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  2 giant frogs
  8 scorpions
  4 wights (D:7)
  3 killer bees (D:7)
  3 crimson imps
  6 goliath beetles
  2 centaur zombies
  A giant frog zombie (D:4)
  4 human zombies (Ossuary)
  6 hounds
  A gnoll shaman (D:4)
  3 orc priests
  12 orc wizards
  4 iguanas
  8 worker ants
  2 sheep (D:8)
  A killer bee zombie (D:8)
  Ijyb (D:7)
  Jessica (D:3)
  A big kobold zombie (Ossuary)
  4 mummies
  A worker ant zombie (D:4)
  15 adders
  7 gnolls
  4 scorpion zombies
  3 shadow imps
  2 giant mites
  5 worms
  2 adder skeletons (D:4)
  An adder zombie (D:4)
  6 giant geckos
  3 oozes
  49 orcs
  16 bats
  5 giant cockroaches
  A gnoll zombie (Ossuary)
  15 hobgoblins
  4 jackals (D:7)
  27 kobolds
  8 quokkas
  A ball python (D:5)
  2 giant newts
  A giant newt skeleton (D:4)
  18 goblins
  A goblin skeleton (D:4)
  5 goblin zombies (Ossuary)
  2 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary)
  A kobold skeleton (D:5)
  2 kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  2 orc zombies (D:4)
  16 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:4)
  3 butterflies
347 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An orc wizard (D:8)
  A quokka (D:9)
2 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 349 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Horseyhoofy, the Centaur Hunter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 1/1
   787 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 8/23 MP: 2/2
   837 | D:1      | Reached skill level 6 in Bows
  1208 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/28 MP: 3/3
  1556 | D:2      | Reached skill level 7 in Bows
  1630 | D:2      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1664 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 35/35 MP: 3/3
  2216 | D:2      | Reached skill level 8 in Bows
  2782 | D:3      | Noticed Jessica
  2786 | D:3      | Killed Jessica
  2786 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 32/40 MP: 4/4
  3623 | D:3      | Reached skill level 9 in Bows
  4093 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 42/47 MP: 5/5
  4535 | D:3      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  4700 | D:4      | Noticed Horseyhoofy's ghost (average CeHu)
  5158 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Bows
  5765 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  5778 | D:4      | Killed Blork the orc
  5778 | D:4      | Reached skill level 11 in Bows
  5778 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/52 MP: 5/5
  5926 | D:4      | Killed Horseyhoofy's ghost
  5926 | D:4      | Reached skill level 12 in Bows
  6383 | D:4      | Got an ancient mace
  6391 | D:4      | Identified the +10 mace "Heshriem" {flame, Noisy +Fly rF+ rC+ rN+} (You took it off an orc on level 4 of the Dungeon)
  6548 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6757 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
  6757 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 49/62 MP: 6/6
  6949 | D:5      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  7011 | D:5      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  7022 | D:5      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  7221 | D:5      | Noticed Grinder
  7230 | D:5      | Killed Grinder
  7588 | D:5      | Reached skill level 13 in Bows
  7705 | D:5      | Acquired Okawaru's first power
  8101 | D:6      | Got a warped hand crossbow
  8124 | D:6      | Identified the +4 hand crossbow of Perversion {speed, Stlth++} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  8452 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Crossbows
  8452 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 58/72 MP: 7/7
  8687 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  8694 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8899 | D:6      | Got a dazzling leather armour
  8911 | D:6      | Identified the +2 leather armour "Klaur" {rC+} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)
  9313 | D:7      | Noticed Ijyb
  9328 | D:7      | Killed Ijyb
  9362 | D:7      | Found Yngism's Antique Armour Shop.
  9365 | D:7      | Bought a heavily runed cloak for 247 gold pieces
  9373 | D:7      | Identified the +1 cloak of Nolyrefo {Int+3} (You bought it in a shop on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  9948 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
 10380 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
 10426 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
 10649 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Crossbows
 10794 | D:8      | Noticed SlimeyFace's ghost (experienced TrMo)
 10807 | D:8      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
 10815 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
 10946 | Ossuary  | Reached XP level 10. HP: 67/83 MP: 7/7
 12169 | D:8      | Killed SlimeyFace's ghost
 12505 | D:8      | Received a gift from Okawaru
 12612 | D:8      | Found Foeczen's Jewellery Emporium.
 12725 | D:8      | Noticed a two-headed hydra
 12769 | D:8      | Killed a two-headed hydra
 13716 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 13866 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 80/89 MP: 8/8
 14022 | D:9      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 14140 | D:9      | Got a steaming lajatang
 14249 | D:9      | Got a fine dagger
 14443 | D:8      | Identified the +8 lajatang "Smyutat" {slice, +Fly rElec} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 14444 | D:8      | Identified the +9 dagger "Bupoapt" {flame, Dex+2} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon)


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Short sword       |    68 |   281 |    11 |       ||   360
       Spear             |       |       |    35 |       ||    35
       Mace              |       |       |   286 |   191 ||   477
 Fire: Shortbow          |    24 |   163 |    96 |   125 ||   408
       Hand crossbow     |       |       |    21 |    15 ||    36
Evoke: Wand              |       |     2 |     3 |     1 ||     6
  Use: Scroll            |       |     3 |     6 |     9 ||    18
       Potion            |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |    12 |    14 |    10 ||    37

Dungeon Master

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Post Tuesday, 2nd December 2014, 15:59

Re: Let's play another round of 'What weapon(s) do I use?'

The lajatang is by far the best of those weapons you've mentioned. The +4 hand crossbow is a recent ranged option given that you've already skilled it up pretty high -- you probably shouldn't get more than 10 levels of Crossbows for it tho, unless you find a good upgrade.

Shoals Surfer

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Post Tuesday, 2nd December 2014, 16:42

Re: Let's play another round of 'What weapon(s) do I use?'

Yes, a +8 vorpal lajatang is an excellent weapon and is a good, cheap melee option, especially with the staves crosstraining from your M+F.

Training crossbows on top of bows and melee seems like a pretty big error to me, especially for a +4 hand crossbow. Aside from the xp waste, it seems likely to further dilute your Oka weapon gift pool and make you wait longer to get a decent longbow.

Spider Stomper

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Post Tuesday, 2nd December 2014, 18:08

Re: Let's play another round of 'What weapon(s) do I use?'

+8 vorpal lajatang is a zot weapon

why is this even a question????

e: oh and you will have more ammo issues with two weapons probably since oka will gift you stuff for both of them and you'll have one at less skill/just generally worse for no good reason
e:e: holy fuck that fighting is bad for a centaur

Halls Hopper

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Joined: Tuesday, 16th September 2014, 15:52

Post Tuesday, 2nd December 2014, 21:42

Re: Let's play another round of 'What weapon(s) do I use?'

Alright, Lajatang it is for melee, cool it on ranged until I find something good enough to make it an easier decision. I didn't consider that getting two different types of ammo gifted would not help my cause if the plan is to stick with one eventually. If only I could use Ash's skill swap and then go back to Oka. I care less about the wasted exp, than Oka thinking I like these things just because I'm at lvl 8+.

I'm trying to make this guy a primarily ranged character since I've won with a couple melee guys before, but I'll see where I land later in the game and go with what the Crawl gods have presented me.

And my fighting, as well and dodging and stealth are just low because I'm just getting started. Still working on getting my kill-dudes skills solidified before I work on the defensive end of things.

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