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Ask fellow adventurers how to stay alive in the deep, dark, dangerous dungeon below, or share your own accumulated wisdom.
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Sprucery wrote:I'd definitely wear the ring mail at the moment. A simple rule of thumb is to add the AC and EV values together; the bigger the sum, the better. With roughly equal sums, it's better to have AC and EV close to each other than far apart.
Heavier armour gives you bonus AC points faster when you train Armour skill.
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Pleroma wrote:Thanks. That's what I've been doing, but I wasn't sure if my math actually had any bearing on reality.
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mikee wrote:I would probably be wearing the plate, but armour would also be my highest or second highest skill, and I wouldn't have trained any dodging at that point. This is just all things being equal - I haven't looked at your character, of course.
You usually shouldn't be using a shield on a fighter, at the very least because it prevents you from using better weapons.
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Pleroma wrote:Hold on, if a fighter shouldn't be using a shield, then who the heck should?
Also, I've kinda skilled into the sword and board thing, since Oka keeps giving me one handed swords, and they're all generally better branded than the greatswords I find lying around
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mikee wrote:Pleroma wrote:Also, I've kinda skilled into the sword and board thing, since Oka keeps giving me one handed swords, and they're all generally better branded than the greatswords I find lying around
Yes, but are they actually better?
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Pleroma wrote:I am not certain. Is a +11 Scimitar with pain, rC rN and Str +4 better?
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ackack wrote:Pleroma wrote:I am not certain. Is a +11 Scimitar with pain, rC rN and Str +4 better?
Yes, a +11 pain scimitar is better than most greatswords, provided you get a few points of Necromancy. (The other add-ons are nice things to have but not what you're going to base weapon decisions on, usually.) That is a strong 1h weapon.
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Pleroma wrote:ackack wrote:Pleroma wrote:I am not certain. Is a +11 Scimitar with pain, rC rN and Str +4 better?
Yes, a +11 pain scimitar is better than most greatswords, provided you get a few points of Necromancy. (The other add-ons are nice things to have but not what you're going to base weapon decisions on, usually.) That is a strong 1h weapon.
So for figuring out strong weapons, do I just add the + to the base damage to get a rough idea? Because I just got god dropped at +9 freeze Bastard Sword, +4 int (wooo)
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TeshiAlair wrote:We should make a sticky thread that has this info in it and some general brand advice, since I know I've posted threads like this about 50 times and it comes up quite a lot.
Not to discourage people from asking for equipment advice, but just to give some very broad guidelines.
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MainiacJoe wrote:I am a beginner, having just gotten my first ever rune (and now two) with my current MiBe. Thus far I've not encountered any MR+ items except for a +3 ring mail and a couple of Trog-gift launchers that I'm not using. (I have three rods and the disc of storms that I've trained Evocs for, and another rod is in a shop $100 away.) I've been banished once already and Trog's hand doesn't last very long, so lately I've been training up dodging because I feel stuck with the ring mail because I need its MR (Armour skill 18.6, Dodge 18.8). My AC is 29 and my EV is 23; I have no idea whether this is "enough."
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MainiacJoe wrote:I am a beginner, having just gotten my first ever rune (and now two) with my current MiBe. Thus far I've not encountered any MR+ items except for a +3 ring mail and a couple of Trog-gift launchers that I'm not using. (I have three rods and the disc of storms that I've trained Evocs for, and another rod is in a shop $100 away.) I've been banished once already and Trog's hand doesn't last very long, so lately I've been training up dodging because I feel stuck with the ring mail because I need its MR (Armour skill 18.6, Dodge 18.8). My AC is 29 and my EV is 23; I have no idea whether this is "enough."
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Sandman25 wrote:MainiacJoe wrote:... Armour skill 18.6, Dodge 18.8. My AC is 29 and my EV is 23 ...
I expected more EV with Dodging 18.8, put bonus points into Dex if you didn't.
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.1-4-gac8487e (webtiles) character file.
MainiacJoe the Slayer (Minotaur Berserker) Turns: 74709, Time: 11:32:58
HP 213/213 AC 29 Str 27 XL: 21 Next: 12%
MP 34/34 EV 23 Int 11 God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 1710 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 0 memorised, 20 levels left
rFire . . . SeeInvis + a - +7 dire flail "Psalix" {crush, rC+}
rCold + + . Clarity + T - +3 ring mail {MR+}
rNeg + . . rCorr . (no shield)
rPois + rRot . m - +2 hat {Int+3}
rElec + Spirit . H - +2 cloak {rPois}
SustAb + Warding . D - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
rMut . Stasis . e - +2 pair of boots
Gourm . E - amulet of clarity
MR ++... r - +4 ring of protection
L - ring "Jewon" {SustAb rElec rC+ rN+ Dex-3 Int+4 SInv}
@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer
You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.
You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 44 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave.
You have collected 5011 gold pieces.
You have spent 3301 gold pieces at shops.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
a - the +7 dire flail "Psalix" (weapon) {crush, rC+}
(Trog gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon)
It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
It protects you from cold.
b - a +9 battleaxe of freezing
h - a +2 battleaxe of flaming
Armour
e - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
m - a +2 hat of intelligence (worn)
D - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
H - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
T - a +3 ring mail of magic resistance (worn)
Magical devices
f - a wand of lightning (3)
i - a wand of cold (6)
q - a wand of fireball {empty}
x - a wand of disintegration (9)
y - a wand of digging (9)
K - a wand of enslavement (15)
O - a wand of polymorph
U - a wand of draining (4)
Y - a wand of teleportation (4)
Comestibles
c - 6 bread rations
Scrolls
k - a scroll of fog
p - 4 scrolls of blinking
v - a scroll of fear
F - 5 scrolls of recharging
N - 15 scrolls of remove curse
Jewellery
j - an uncursed ring of teleportation
r - a +4 ring of protection (right hand)
z - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
C - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
E - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
L - the ring "Jewon" (left hand) {SustAb rElec rC+ rN+ Dex-3 Int+4 SInv}
(You took it off a deep elf conjurer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
[ring of sustain abilities]
It sustains your strength, intelligence and dexterity.
It affects your intelligence (+4).
It affects your dexterity (-3).
It protects you from cold.
It insulates you from electricity.
It protects you from negative energy.
It enhances your eyesight.
R - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
Potions
d - a potion of invisibility
n - 13 potions of curing
J - 2 potions of cure mutation
P - 4 potions of might
Q - a potion of resistance
X - a potion of heal wounds
Z - 3 potions of haste
Miscellaneous
s - a disc of storms
t - a stone of tremors
Rods
g - a +8 lightning rod (13/13) {!a}
(You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
u - a +5 rod of ignition (13/13) {!a}
(You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
A - a +5 rod of inaccuracy (12/12) {!a}
(You found it in a labyrinth)
Skills:
* Level 23.7 Fighting
- Level 8.4(14.0) Axes
+ Level 17.4(18.0) Maces & Flails
Level 2.4(2.8) Slings
- Level 1.9(2.4) Throwing
- Level 18.6 Armour
* Level 18.8 Dodging
+ Level 16.4 Evocations
You have 20 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.
Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations
Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (0/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:10
Elf (3/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (5/5) Lair:4
Spider (5/5) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:6 Vaults (4/5) D:14
Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3 Depths (0/5) D:15
Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Xom
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Shops:
Orc:4 *(}}} Elf:2 (
Annotations:
D:2 exclusion: downstairs
D:3 exclusion: player ghost, isil's ghost, average DEAE
D:4 exclusion: player ghost, badffsyy's ghost, experienced MiBe
D:5 exclusion: upstairs
Elf:3 Mara
Vaults:4 exclusion: downstairs
Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
Message History
You feel slightly jumpy.
j - a ring of teleportation (right hand)
Unknown command.
Use which ability? (? or * to list)
Okay, then.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You're wearing all the rings you can. Remove which one?
(? for menu, Esc to cancel)
< or L - the ring "Jewon" {SustAb rElec rC+ rN+ Dex-3 Int+4 SInv}
> or j - a ring of teleportation
You remove your ring of teleportation.
r - a +4 ring of protection (right hand)
Remove which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You remove the ring "Jewon" {SustAb rElec rC+ rN+ Dex-3 Int+4 SInv}.
Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
L - the ring "Jewon" (left hand) {SustAb rElec rC+ rN+ Dex-3 Int+4 SInv}
Saving game... please wait.
Welcome back, MainiacJoe the Minotaur Berserker.
Trog says: Kill them all!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
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There are no monsters in sight!
Vanquished Creatures
the Lernaean hydra (Swamp:5)
Norris (Elf:2)
A bone dragon (Abyss:1)
Nikola (Vaults:1)
Asterion (Swamp:3)
2 deep elf blademasters (Elf:3)
Rupert (D:14)
A tengu reaver (Vaults:3)
5 tentacled starspawn (Abyss:1)
Frances (Spider:1)
Kirke (Lair:3)
A draconian monk (Abyss:1)
2 frost giants
3 ghost moths
5 deep elf sorcerers
4 vault wardens
3 emperor scorpions (Spider:5)
A reaper (Abyss:1)
4 deep elf demonologists
3 stone giants
A war gargoyle (Vaults:3)
A very ugly thing (Vaults:4)
11 deep elf annihilators
A black draconian (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
Azrael (Lair:3)
Snorg (D:14)
4 deep elf death magi
A minotaur (Lab)
3 ettins
7 ironheart preservers
3 great orbs of eyes
2 deep elf high priests (Elf:3)
2 fire dragons
9 yaktaur captains
Harold (Lair:2)
16 hydras
A ravenous feature mimic (Vaults:2)
8 centaur warriors
A ghost crab (Vaults:3)
A shambling mangrove (Swamp:3)
4 ogre magi
9 alligators
12 death yaks
5 thrashing horrors (Abyss:1)
A hell hog (Abyss:1)
2 tengu warriors (D:15)
A vampire mage (Vaults:3)
4 orc high priests (Orc:4)
A spriggan berserker (Swamp:3)
2 catoblepae
Nergalle (D:12)
A fire crab (Vaults:1)
4 wretched stars (Abyss:1)
7 skeletal warriors
A hell knight (D:15)
14 deep elf knights
4 spriggan druids
A spatial maelstrom (Abyss:1)
9 large abominations (Abyss:1)
An unseen horror (shapeshifter) (Elf:1)
Erolcha (Orc:4)
13 deep elf summoners
21 orb spiders
2 shadow wraiths
3 necromancers
10 ironbrand convokers
3 unseen horrors
An ice statue (D:10)
2 giant orange brains (Vaults:3)
3 deep trolls (Vaults:2)
Pikel (D:7)
10 deep elf conjurers
15 swamp dragons
A wizard (D:15)
10 hill giants
A wolf spider zombie (Abyss:1)
10 orc knights
35 wolf spiders
48 ugly things
A hellion (Abyss:1)
A phantasmal warrior (Vaults:3)
A fire giant zombie (Vaults:4)
An orc sorcerer (Orc:4)
4 griffons
4 manticores
10 cyclopes
A sphinx skeleton (Vaults:4)
A worldbinder (Abyss:1)
16 elephants
2 moths of wrath (shapeshifter)
A centaur zombie (D:13)
2 smoke demons (Abyss:1)
A sixfirhy (Abyss:1)
5 vault sentinels
16 red wasps
4 black mambas
3 gargoyles
2 moths of wrath
A torpor snail (Spider:2)
11 spiny frogs
11 komodo dragons
A centaur skeleton (D:15)
A queen ant (Lair:7)
15 demonic crawlers
A tengu conjurer (D:15)
A yaktaur skeleton (Vaults:4)
2 hydra zombies
A jumping spider (shapeshifter) (Elf:1)
3 trolls
Grinder (D:6)
20 yaktaurs
4 freezing wraiths
15 deep elf priests
7 polar bears
10 two-headed ogres
A troll (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4)
4 ancient zymes (Abyss:1)
3 queen bees (shapeshifter)
38 slime creatures
A slime creature (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
15 blink frogs
9 giant leeches
A human zombie (Vaults:3)
10 ravens
22 jumping spiders
8 boulder beetles
10 baby alligators
6 raiju (Abyss:1)
10 bog bodies
35 tarantellas
8 spriggans
38 redbacks
2 ynoxinuls (Abyss:1)
A flying skull (Abyss:1)
2 basilisks (D:14)
A wyvern (shapeshifter) (D:14)
3 human skeletons
2 shadows
2 ettin skeletons
30 trapdoor spiders
A yak (shapeshifter) (D:15)
6 wraiths
4 wyverns
61 yaks
23 deep elf magi
3 chaos spawn (Abyss:1)
A golden eye (shapeshifter) (D:14)
3 hogs
A vampire (Abyss:1)
30 deep elf fighters
A fire elemental (Spider:1)
2 neqoxecs
14 hippogriffs
An elf skeleton (D:14)
A steam dragon (D:12)
26 wolves
2 hill giant skeletons (D:8)
36 vampire mosquitoes
8 hell hounds
36 swamp worms
4 wargs
11 small abominations
5 soldier ants (Lair:7)
21 water moccasins
13 porcupines
2 mottled dragons
15 swamp drakes
3 sky beasts
45 spiders
26 orc warriors
2 ice beasts
22 centaurs
A necrophage (D:7)
10 yellow wasps
28 ogres
3 boring beetles
3 phantoms
A big kobold (D:7)
A boring beetle (shapeshifter) (D:15)
18 crocodiles
2 gnoll sergeants
29 giant frogs
12 insubstantial wisps
A deep troll simulacrum (Vaults:3)
5 jellies
2 human simulacra
4 wights
5 scorpions
A cyclops skeleton (D:14)
7 electric eels
A hippogriff zombie (D:9)
6 crimson imps
A giant frog zombie (D:12)
2 goliath beetles
15 killer bees
12 hounds
3 quasits (Abyss:1)
A starcursed mass (Abyss:1)
3 giant frog skeletons
35 orc priests
An elf zombie (D:15)
2 iron imps (Abyss:1)
24 worker ants
26 orc wizards
9 iguanas
4 orange rats
An ogre zombie (D:7)
A big kobold zombie (D:9)
21 sheep
2 ogre skeletons
16 gnolls
66 green rats
20 adders
3 shadow imps
A giant mite (D:8)
14 white imps
4 ufetubi (Abyss:1)
2 worms (D:2)
An orc zombie (Orc:4)
3 giant geckos
An ooze (D:7)
161 orcs
10 bats
A bat zombie (D:7)
3 giant cockroaches
23 goblins
13 hobgoblins
17 kobolds
14 quokkas
A ball python (D:2)
7 giant newts
4 jackals
An orc skeleton (D:7)
17 rats
A ballistomycete (D:9)
4 butterflies
A crawling corpse (Vaults:4)
7 fungi
A macabre mass (Vaults:4)
6 plants
A starspawn tentacle (Abyss:1)
1990 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
Arachne (Spider:5)
Roxanne (Elf:3)
A frost giant (IceCv)
6 death yaks
An ogre mage (D:15)
An orc high priest (Orc:4)
2 catoblepae (Lair:8)
An ice statue (IceCv)
A harpy (Spider:1)
A deep elf conjurer (Elf:3)
An orc sorcerer (Vaults:1)
3 ugly things (Vaults:2)
Psyche (Orc:2)
A spiny frog (Lair:3)
A demonic crawler (Spider:5)
A troll (D:14)
9 polar bears (IceCv)
5 yaks
A wolf (IceCv)
A hippogriff (D:15)
2 hell hounds
A killer bee (Lab)
A crimson imp (D:14)
2 orc priests
An orc wizard (Orc:4)
A sheep (Lair:8)
A worm (Lab)
3 orcs
52 creatures vanquished.
Vanquished Creatures (others)
A ghost moth (Spider:3)
A deep elf high priest (Elf:3)
A hill giant (Vaults:2)
3 trolls
A two-headed ogre (Elf:3)
A water moccasin (D:7)
A wolf (IceCv)
2 slaves (D:7)
2 ogres
6 lost souls
A hound (D:7)
An orc priest (Vaults:1)
A bat (D:8)
A hobgoblin (D:7)
A giant spore (D:9)
A lurking horror (Abyss:1)
A bush (D:5)
6 fungi
A plant (Lair:8)
20 starspawn tentacles (Abyss:1)
472 starspawn tentacle segments (Abyss:1)
525 creatures vanquished.
Grand Total: 2567 creatures vanquished
Notes
Turn | Place | Note
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0 | D:1 | MainiacJoe, the Minotaur Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1
126 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
167 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 27/27 MP: 1/1
590 | D:1 | Acquired Trog's second power
1218 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/2
2093 | D:3 | Noticed isil's ghost (average DEAE)
2263 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 41/41 MP: 2/2
2633 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
2930 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre
2940 | D:4 | Killed an ogre
2940 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
2940 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 48/48 MP: 2/2
3148 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Maces & Flails
3204 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 36/56 MP: 3/3
3360 | D:4 | Noticed badffsyy's ghost (experienced MiBe)
3385 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
4015 | D:5 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
4350 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Maces & Flails
4354 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/62 MP: 3/3
4533 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Slings
4627 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder
4641 | D:6 | Killed Grinder
4641 | D:6 | Reached skill level 8 in Maces & Flails
4880 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
4906 | D:6 | Identified a scroll of acquirement
5023 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Maces & Flails
5023 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/71 MP: 3/3
6048 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
6049 | D:7 | Noticed a two-headed ogre
6066 | D:6 | Killed a two-headed ogre
6066 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails
6066 | D:6 | HP: 3/73 [scorpion (7)]
6420 | D:7 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
6443 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Maces & Flails
6467 | D:7 | Noticed Pikel
6487 | D:7 | Killed Pikel
6487 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 81/81 MP: 4/4
6516 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
6576 | D:7 | Reached skill level 12 in Maces & Flails
6993 | D:7 | Acquired Trog's third power
7140 | D:8 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
7262 | D:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Maces & Flails
7415 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair.
8206 | D:8 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
8331 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 91/91 MP: 4/4
8699 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
8712 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
8944 | Lair:1 | Got a smoking turquoise ring
9290 | Lair:1 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
9292 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
9439 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Trog
10185 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
10504 | Lair:2 | Noticed a four-headed hydra
10578 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 84/101 MP: 4/4
10932 | Lair:2 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
11036 | Lair:2 | Noticed Harold
11055 | Lair:2 | Killed Harold
11055 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
11168 | Lair:2 | Killed a four-headed hydra
11345 | Lair:2 | Got a crystal arbalest
11346 | Lair:2 | Identified the +2 arbalest of Greed {freeze, rPois rN+ MR++ Stlth--} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
11429 | Lair:2 | Identified the ring "Diottatosi" {Wiz Dex+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
11540 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Trog
12471 | Lair:3 | Noticed a death yak
12471 | Lair:3 | Noticed a death yak
12472 | Lair:3 | Noticed a death yak
12487 | Lair:3 | Killed a death yak
12501 | Lair:3 | Killed a death yak
12504 | Lair:3 | Killed a death yak
12669 | Lair:3 | Found a frozen archway.
12725 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave
12768 | IceCv | Received a gift from Trog
12796 | IceCv | Noticed an ice statue
12810 | IceCv | Killed an ice statue
12910 | IceCv | Reached XP level 12. HP: 110/112 MP: 5/5
13075 | IceCv | Noticed a death yak
13093 | IceCv | Killed a death yak
13096 | IceCv | Noticed a death yak
13132 | IceCv | Killed a death yak
13397 | IceCv | Noticed a frost giant
13397 | IceCv | Noticed a death yak
13407 | IceCv | Killed a frost giant
13407 | IceCv | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
13418 | IceCv | Killed a death yak
14351 | Lair:3 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
14361 | Lair:3 | Killed an eight-headed hydra
14361 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Axes
14361 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
14529 | Lair:3 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
14630 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Trog
15230 | Lair:4 | Got a brightly glowing hunting sling
15231 | Lair:4 | Identified the +6 hunting sling "Ijotyur" {freeze, rPois MR+} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
15247 | Lair:4 | Noticed a five-headed hydra
15256 | Lair:4 | Killed a five-headed hydra
15706 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 100/122 MP: 14/14
15744 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
16225 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
16806 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
17111 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Trog
17112 | Lair:5 | Got a blackened demon whip {god gift}
17113 | Lair:5 | Identified the +12 demon whip "Greum" {freeze, Dex-5} (Trog gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
18338 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
18691 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Trog
19359 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting
19870 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
19952 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog
19989 | Lair:8 | Found a labyrinth entrance.
20063 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth
20248 | Lab | Received a gift from Trog
20477 | Lab | Got a jewelled quarterstaff
20789 | Lair:2 | Identified a +2 rod of inaccuracy (9/9) (You found it in a labyrinth)
20810 | Lair:2 | Identified a +2 rod of the swarm (9/9) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)
21512 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 133/133 MP: 20/20
21676 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Trog
22268 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
23459 | D:9 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
24236 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
24398 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog
24622 | D:10 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
24946 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
26217 | D:12 | Received a gift from Trog
26878 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
27596 | Spider:1 | Noticed Frances
27607 | Spider:1 | Killed Frances
27725 | Spider:1 | Noticed Azrael
27727 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Fighting
27747 | Spider:1 | Noticed Kirke
28192 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
28204 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour
28226 | Orc:1 | Received a gift from Trog
28690 | Orc:2 | Noticed Psyche
28700 | Orc:2 | Killed Psyche
28727 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Trog
28810 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
29046 | Orc:2 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
29555 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
29613 | Orc:4 | Found Gejaul's General Store.
29754 | Orc:4 | Noticed Erolcha
29768 | Orc:4 | Killed Erolcha
29944 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
30170 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Trog
30210 | Orc:4 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 144/144 MP: 14/25
30453 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
31218 | Orc:4 | Found Liw Hala's Gadget Shop.
31218 | Orc:4 | Found Frekh's Gadget Shop.
31218 | Orc:4 | Found Baozax's Gadget Boutique.
31231 | Orc:4 | Found Seppehet's Antique Weapon Boutique.
31847 | Orc:3 | Received a gift from Trog
32876 | D:12 | Noticed Nergalle
32888 | D:12 | Killed Nergalle
33350 | D:13 | Reached skill level 17 in Fighting
34296 | D:14 | Noticed Rupert
34302 | D:14 | Killed Rupert
34337 | D:14 | Got a shimmering iron ring
34379 | D:14 | Noticed Snorg
34395 | D:14 | Killed Snorg
34949 | D:14 | Received a gift from Trog
34953 | D:14 | Got a warped dire flail {god gift}
34954 | D:14 | Identified the +7 dire flail "Psalix" {crush, rC+} (Trog gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon)
35449 | D:14 | Reached skill level 18 in Fighting
35720 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults.
35858 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
36234 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths.
36500 | D:15 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 148/159 MP: 28/28
36921 | D:15 | Reached skill level 19 in Fighting
37106 | D:15 | Received a gift from Trog
37584 | Lair:2 | Identified the ring "Nuthokk" {Fire rPois rN+ Slay+4} (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
37849 | Orc:4 | Bought a +5 rod of ignition (13/13) for 1324 gold pieces
37849 | Orc:4 | Bought a +8 lightning rod (13/13) for 1441 gold pieces
37851 | Orc:4 | Bought a wand of disintegration (12) for 256 gold pieces
38149 | Lair:3 | Killed Azrael
38241 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
38297 | Swamp:1 | Received a gift from Trog
40422 | Swamp:3 | Noticed Asterion
40433 | Swamp:3 | Killed Asterion
40963 | Swamp:3 | Reached skill level 20 in Fighting
41869 | Swamp:4 | Received a gift from Trog
42690 | Swamp:4 | Got a faintly glowing scale mail
42703 | Swamp:4 | Identified the cursed -2 scale mail of Eternal Night {Str+2 Dex+4} (You found it on level 4 of the Swamp)
43543 | Lair:3 | Killed Kirke
43543 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 151/170 MP: 29/29
43837 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Trog
45292 | Spider:2 | Received a gift from Trog
46833 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Trog
48448 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp
48867 | Swamp:5 | Received a gift from Trog
49653 | Swamp:5 | Noticed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra
49815 | Swamp:5 | Got a decaying rune of Zot
49885 | Swamp:5 | Killed the 27-headed Lernaean hydra
49885 | Swamp:5 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 178/180 MP: 31/31
49886 | Swamp:5 | Received a gift from Trog
51132 | Spider:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Spider Nest
51381 | Spider:5 | Noticed Arachne
51387 | Spider:5 | Killed Arachne
52967 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 21 in Fighting
53115 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Maces & Flails
53123 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
53148 | Spider:5 | Received a gift from Trog
53922 | Spider:5 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot
54471 | Orc:4 | Bought a wand of cold (6) for 280 gold pieces
54503 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
55631 | Elf:2 | Found Ashehi's Weapon Shoppe.
56206 | Elf:2 | Received a gift from Trog
56574 | Elf:2 | Noticed Norris
56590 | Elf:2 | Killed Norris
57292 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults
57292 | Vaults:1 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
57761 | Vaults:1 | Noticed Nikola
57779 | Vaults:1 | Killed Nikola
58398 | Vaults:1 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 148/190 MP: 32/32
59585 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Trog
59633 | Vaults:1 | Identified a -3 rod of shadows (9/9) (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults)
59811 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 15 in Evocations
60574 | Vaults:2 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
60818 | Vaults:2 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
61605 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog
61764 | Vaults:2 | Reached skill level 22 in Fighting
62348 | Vaults:2 | the staircase to the Crypt was a mimic.
62911 | Vaults:3 | Paralysed by a great orb of eyes for 4 turns
63703 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls
63750 | Elf:3 | Noticed Roxanne
63765 | Elf:3 | Killed Roxanne
64695 | Elf:3 | Got a slimy hand axe
64739 | Elf:3 | Identified the +6 hand axe "Skueritumy" {drain, rPois} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
65039 | Elf:3 | Received a gift from Trog
65233 | Elf:3 | Got a steaming steel ring
65612 | Lair:2 | Identified the ring "Jewon" {SustAb rElec rC+ rN+ Dex-3 Int+4 SInv} (You took it off a deep elf conjurer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)
65886 | Elf:3 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 190/202 MP: 33/33
66194 | Elf:3 | Cast into the Abyss (deep elf sorcerer)
66951 | Abyss:1 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
67428 | Abyss:1 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
68074 | Abyss:1 | Reached skill level 23 in Fighting
68078 | Abyss:1 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
68385 | Abyss:1 | Found a corrupted altar of Lugonu.
68503 | Elf:3 | Escaped the Abyss
69032 | Elf:3 | Noticed Mara
70090 | Vaults:2 | Received a gift from Trog
72124 | Vaults:3 | Found a staircase to the Crypt.
72143 | Vaults:3 | Received a gift from Trog
73702 | Vaults:4 | Reached XP level 21. HP: 199/212 MP: 34/34
73858 | Vaults:4 | Received a gift from Trog
74645 | Lair:2 | Upgraded the game from 0.15.1-3-g1b33baa to 0.15.1-4-gac8487e
Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Mace | 35 | | | | | | || 35
Whip | 45 | 76 | 316 | 575 | | | || 1012
Unarmed | | 22 | | | | 3 | 14 || 39
Flail | | | 10 | | | | || 10
Battleaxe | | | | 64 | 327 | 106 | 26 || 523
Dire flail | | | | 25 | | 1016 | 1323 || 2364
Demon whip | | | | | 1050 | 454 | || 1504
Rod | | | | | | 15 | || 15
Fire: Hunting sling | | 9 | 15 | 29 | | | || 53
Blowgun | | | | 19 | | 184 | || 203
Throw: Stone | 25 | 2 | 78 | 22 | 5 | | || 132
Tomahawk | | | 3 | 3 | 100 | 5 | || 111
Invok: Berserk | | 3 | 9 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 6 || 36
Trog's Hand | | | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 3 || 10
Burn Spellbooks | | | | 6 | 5 | 3 | 3 || 17
Brothers in Arms | | | | 4 | 9 | 2 | 5 || 20
Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 3 | 13 | 10 | 18 || 46
Rod | | | | | 3 | 27 | 25 || 55
Disc of storms | | | | | | | 3 || 3
Use: Scroll | 6 | 6 | 7 | 5 | 25 | 23 | 19 || 91
Potion | | | 2 | | 3 | 4 | 11 || 20
Stab: Fleeing | | | | 1 | | | || 1
Distracted | | | | | 1 | | 1 || 2
Confused | | | | | | 2 | || 2
Invisible | | | | | | | 3 || 3
Eat: Chunk | 1 | 8 | 11 | 14 | 33 | 42 | 13 || 122
Pizza | 1 | | | | 3 | 1 | 4 || 9
Fruit | | 2 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 8 | || 17
Beef jerky | | | 1 | | | 2 | 2 || 5
Bread ration | | | 1 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 || 19
Meat ration | | | 1 | | 1 | 2 | 2 || 6
Royal jelly | | | | | 1 | 1 | 1 || 3
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ackack wrote:Trog's Hand doesn't last very long, but on the other hand you don't really need it to; it will last long enough for the situations where it is important. You do not need MR ring mail.
29/23 defenses for a Be is somewhat mediocre, but yes, you can win the game with that. Just keep training more dodging for a while.
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MainiacJoe wrote:ackack wrote:Trog's Hand doesn't last very long, but on the other hand you don't really need it to; it will last long enough for the situations where it is important. You do not need MR ring mail.
29/23 defenses for a Be is somewhat mediocre, but yes, you can win the game with that. Just keep training more dodging for a while.
When i switch into +3 Fire Dragon Armor, I go from 29/23 MR++ rC++ to 35/21 MR+ rF++ rC+. It seems you're suggesting the extra AC is worth getting if I have Trog's Hand for when banishers and hexers are about? The rF++ will certainly encourage me to use my rod of ignition and scrolls of immolation more, but I do read a lot here about how MR++ is minimum for the endgame of even a 3-rune game and so it makes be nervous to go to MR+. A lot of that I think is that I'm just not familiar yet with who the dangerous spellcasting monsters are.
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