Trove asks for two scrolls of aquirement. Would you take it?

[MrRokkomies]

I came across a trove somwhere around lvl 6 of the dungeon, asking for two scrolls of aquirment. I did not think about it too much since it was too early to do anything about it. I died soonafter only to find out I had two unidentified acquirement scrolls in my inventory... All this happened before the temple. Now the question is, would you at that point rather uswe two scrolls of aquirement, with the little controll they give on the loot, or go to the trove with the possibility of more items? Both of these usually lead to dissapointment.

[kroki]

its a lottery in both cases, might aswell go for the bigger prize.

[Patashu]

I'd go for the scrolls of acquirement so I can choose the way in which I get disappointed.

[nubinia]

Mostly trove, as you get a least a dozen items. But for octopode or spriggan I might acquire armour, which is my usual choice anyway.

[MrPlanck]

I would trade two scrolls of disappointment for a trove every time.

[Sar]

I would never take that trove.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

Smart use of acquirement is more consistently helpful than a trove, and consistency is how you survive in a game with permadeath.

[Sandman25]

It depends on character. I will take the trove if I have good weapon and at least a few good armour pieces so both weapon and armour acquirements can be disappointing. My last winning game saw me wasting 4 scrolls trying to get a wand of healing for Mu (still failed) and then I got some really great jewelry from trove.

[Sprucery]

The optimal solution would most often be to read those scrolls. However, I could possibly take the Trove anyway, as it would be more fun and interesting.

[Siegurt]

I would rate trading two ?acq for a trove as about as risky as drinking two !mutation. Take that information for what it's worth.

[damiac]

I'd say if you don't already have an endgame weapon, acquire a weapon.

After that... I'd probably do the trove. Wiser players might recommend wand acquirement though.

[bcadren]

Troves can be as much as 27 acquirement of Jewelry or as little as the kind of items you'd find in an ice cave...I'd still take the risk, myself.

[duvessa]

Troves can be as much as 27 acquirement of Jewelry

I am getting really sick of your misinformation. I can definitely excuse people forgetting or misreading things or trusting sources they shouldn't. But what you're doing - making up all this random bullshit and then pretending it's true in "advice" to players who are trusting people to not deliberately mislead them - is not excusable. You are driving players away from the game far worse than any verbal insults could.

The highest number of items that can appear in a trove is 26. This is in a single vault, and it contains only potions, and performs exactly 0 acquirements.
The highest number of acquirements that can occur in a trove is 16. The chance of getting 16 jewellery acquirements from the two vaults that allow it are 0.000332% (for the lava one) and 0.00000232% (for the other one).

[bcadren]

Troves can be as much as 27 acquirement of Jewelry

I am getting really sick of your misinformation. I can definitely excuse people forgetting or misreading things or trusting sources they shouldn't. But what you're doing - making up all this random bullshit and then pretending it's true in "advice" to players who are trusting people to not deliberately mislead them - is not excusable. You are driving players away from the game far worse than any verbal insults could.

The highest number of items that can appear in a trove is 26. This is in a single vault, and it contains only potions, and performs exactly 0 acquirements.
The highest number of acquirements that can occur in a trove is 16. The chance of getting 16 jewellery acquirements from the two vaults that allow it are 0.000332% (for the lava one) and 0.00000232% (for the other one).

I had it spawn with 36 rings, in groups of nine with an cross in the middle; in a room completely surrounded by lava. And 5 of them were artifacts...roughly all were types I hadn't had before. I remember it being 36 items and this was relatively recent. You telling me that one was removed between 0.13 and 0.14? I found it odd that they were all rings and all seemed acquirement level.

I'm speaking completely from experience though; not making up a damn thing. Never do.

EDIT: You got me wasting time trying to see if the map file still exists somewhere on my local. GOOD JOB...you are effectual at making me look through a shitton of old morgues for a minor bit of data.

[Sandman25]

I apologize then.

[duvessa]

No such trove has ever existed at any point in mainline crawl. And you've "wasted" my time by "making" me look through the entire history of trove.des to be completely sure, so please get off that particular high horse.

[bcadren]

No such trove has ever existed at any point in mainline crawl. And you've "wasted" my time by "making" me look through the entire history of trove.des to be completely sure, so please get off that particular high horse.

I found the character and it's still alive. And in current stable actually. I'd look to see if it remembers the Trove or no; but I can't uncompile the save to search for it. I concede that I might be remembering wrong; but it was a trove that was 100% jewelry; more jewelry than you could ever need and 5 of them were artifacts. I was amazed at the thing at the time because it was by far worth the Heal Wounds (9) it cost to enter. It's the only Trove I can actually remember entering. Though, I know I'd been at at least 1 before that wasn't as good and I can't remember at all.

[duvessa]

Yes, there are multiple troves with only jewellery. None of them have half as much as 36. (There are a few that have several different item types and could theoretically generate only jewellery, but this is almost impossibly rare, and the number never reaches 27, and the number of acquirements cannot possibly exceed 16.)

[KoboldLord]

I think bcadren has a highly active imagination. Or possibly, never bothered to count.

If I had two scrolls of acquirement, I would trade them for a random trove in a heartbeat. But I doubt I will ever have two scrolls of acquirement, because one chance at one piece of good loot when the first one spawns is better than zero pieces of loot when the second scroll never spawns.

[MrPlanck]

I think bcadren has a highly active imagination. Or possibly, never bothered to count.

If I had two scrolls of acquirement, I would trade them for a random trove in a heartbeat. But I doubt I will ever have two scrolls of acquirement, because one chance at one piece of good loot when the first one spawns is better than zero pieces of loot when the second scroll never spawns.

This is almost always the case. I use them as soon as I get them. However, recently I had a game situation in which I found a stack of two and there was a trove asking for two acquirement scrolls. I used them to get into the trove. It was worth it. It won't always be worth it, but I would do it every time in the situation I described.

[XuaXua]

Troves are like 2.5 scrolls of acquirement, but only of things you don't need, so it's usually more like Okawaru took 7 5-star piety shits on the floor.

[XuaXua]

Mostly trove, as you get a least a dozen items. But for octopode or spriggan I might acquire armour, which is my usual choice anyway.

Buckler.

[XuaXua]

Also, thanks for getting rid of that shitty trove that required you to have a wand of disintegration or digging.

I know, it didn't REQUIRE it because there was one in there with 2 charges or something and you had to use it on the OTHER wand to dig out the rest of the items, but that was bullshit.

[MrRokkomies]

If I had two scrolls of acquirement, I would trade them for a random trove in a heartbeat. But I doubt I will ever have two scrolls of acquirement, because one chance at one piece of good loot when the first one spawns is better than zero pieces of loot when the second scroll never spawns.

This was my tought exactly when i found the trove. It was also one of the most annoying deaths i have had in this game, to see my inventory afterwards...

[damiac]

Sometimes I think the post-death screen just trolls you by saying your biggest unidentified stacks are the best thing they could possibly be.
Oh, that wand? That was healing
Those 4 scrolls? Acquirement
10 potions? Oh, those were experience.

And before I get jumped on, I know it's not true, but it feels that way sometimes.

[EntropicMage]

Just ran across this very treasure trove. However I don't have any scrolls of acquirement yet, so I don't need to make up my mind just yet.

  Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0 (tiles) character file.

Neral the Impaler (Merfolk Gladiator)              Turns: 12992, Time: 01:15:17

HP  81/81        AC  6     Str 15      XL: 11   Next: 81%
MP  11/11        EV 25     Int  7      God: Okawaru [***...]
Gold 696         SH  0     Dex 19      Spells:  0 memorised, 10 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .     c - +0,+3 spear (freeze)
rCold  + . .     Rnd*Rage +     A - +2 robe {rC+}
rNeg   . . .     Conserve +     (no shield)
rPois  .         rCorr    .     (helmet restricted)
rElec  .         rRot     .     (no cloak)
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Warding  .     (no boots)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     x - amulet of conservation
MR     .....                    e - ring of regeneration
                                v - +2 ring of protection

@: not resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: change form in water, swift swim, horns 1, berserk 1, breathe flames 1
a: Heroism, Renounce Religion, Breathe Fire


You are on level 10 of the Dungeon.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is most pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 11 of its levels.

You have collected 696 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 b - a +0,+0 trident of protection
 c - a +0,+3 spear of freezing (weapon)
 z - a +0 blowgun
Missiles
 d - 3 throwing nets (quivered)
 q - 15 arrows of flame
 E - 9 poisoned needles
Armour
 A - a +2 robe of cold resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 g - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 1}
 j - a wand of draining {zapped: 3}
 k - a wand of frost {zapped: 2}
 t - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 1}
 N - a wand of digging (4)
Comestibles
 f - 2 bread rations
 o - 2 meat rations
 C - 25 strawberries
 F - an apple
 G - a chunk of hound flesh
Scrolls
 a - 2 scrolls of fog
 i - a scroll of blinking
 l - 6 scrolls of identify
 n - a scroll of recharging
 r - a scroll of fear
 s - 2 scrolls labeled FEEXZE MENKE
 u - a scroll labeled FOIDIO SCHOZIGH
 w - 7 scrolls of remove curse
 D - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 H - a scroll of vulnerability
Jewellery
 e - a ring of regeneration (right hand)
 h - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 m - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 v - a +2 ring of protection (left hand)
 x - an amulet of conservation (around neck)
 y - an uncursed ring of teleportation
Potions
 p - a potion of porridge
 B - 2 potions of curing
 K - a potion of heal wounds


   Skills:
 + Level 6.2 Fighting
 + Level 17.7 Polearms
 - Level 2.0 Throwing
 - Level 1.0 Armour
 + Level 14.5 Dodging
 - Level 3.0 Stealth


You have 10 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (10/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (0/4) D:9
   Lair (0/8) D:10       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Portals:
Trove: D:10 (give 2 scrolls of acquirement)


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You revert to your normal form in water.
You are very nimble and swift while swimming.
You have a pair of small horns on your head.
You tend to lose your temper in combat.
You can breathe flames.


Message History

There is an open door here.
You see here a leather armour.
You see here a hound corpse.
You start butchering the hound corpse. You continue butchering the corpse.
You continue butchering the corpse. x2
You finish butchering the hound corpse.
G - 2 chunks of hound flesh
You see here a hound skeleton.
This raw flesh tastes terrible.
You continue eating. x2
You see here a leather armour.
There is an open door here.
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Things that are here:
a scale mail; a chain mail
I - a scale mail
J - a chain mail
You drop a chain mail.
You drop a scale mail.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  2 hill giants
  The ghost of Conles the Covert, an experienced NaWz of Sif Muna (D:8)
  2 kobold demonologists (D:10)
  A troll (D:9)
  A two-headed ogre (D:7)
  A trapdoor spider (D:10)
  The ghost of Enreas the Thaumaturge, an average DEWz (D:5)
  An ugly thing (D:10)
  A wyvern (D:8)
  13 yaks
  A hippogriff (D:9)
  2 hungry ghosts (D:9)
  The ghost of Zeles the Sneak, an average DsAs of Dithmenos (D:3)
  Grum (D:10)
  2 steam dragons (D:7)
  Edmund (D:3)
  4 wolves (D:10)
  A necrophage (D:7)
  A porcupine (D:10)
  3 orc warriors
  3 phantoms
  3 sky beasts
  3 ice beasts
  4 centaurs
  A yellow wasp (D:10)
  7 ogres
  3 big kobolds (D:10)
  Sigmund (D:4)
  5 giant frogs
  6 killer bees (D:9)
  A wyvern skeleton (D:10)
  A scorpion (D:4)
  A yak zombie (D:9)
  9 wights
  A hippogriff skeleton (D:8)
  4 hounds
  4 crimson imps
  3 jellies
  6 orc priests
  2 giant frog skeletons
  A gnoll shaman (D:6)
  3 worker ants
  4 iguanas
  Natasha (thrice) (D:6)
  2 orange rats (D:10)
  6 orc wizards
  6 ogre zombies (D:9)
  2 hound skeletons
  2 hound zombies
  2 green rats (D:10)
  12 orc zombies
  5 adders
  A scorpion zombie (D:9)
  11 gnolls
  3 shadow imps
  7 worms
  An iguana zombie (D:7)
  An adder skeleton (D:4)
  2 oozes (D:7)
  35 orcs
  A ball python (D:2)
  24 bats
  A bat zombie (D:6)
  3 giant cockroaches (D:2)
  10 goblins
  9 hobgoblins
  8 jackals
  20 kobolds
  13 quokkas
  7 giant geckos
  2 giant gecko skeletons
  3 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:10)
  2 goblin skeletons (D:9)
  A goblin zombie (D:9)
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:9)
  4 hobgoblin zombies (D:9)
  An orc skeleton (D:8)
  24 rats
  A rat zombie (D:5)
  A spectral orc (D:3)
  11 ballistomycetes
  2 fungi (D:7)
368 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  An orc priest (D:8)
  A giant spore (D:8)
  A rat (D:8)
3 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A wizard (D:3)
  An ooze (D:7)
  An orc (D:4)
3 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 374 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Neral, the Merfolk Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 1/1
   135 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 2/2
   240 | D:1      | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms
   421 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/27 MP: 3/3
   993 | D:2      | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms
  1091 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 9/33 MP: 4/4
  1530 | D:3      | Noticed an ogre
  1553 | D:3      | Killed an ogre
  1553 | D:3      | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms
  1553 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 24/39 MP: 5/5
  1756 | D:3      | Noticed Zeles' ghost (average DsAs)
  1770 | D:3      | Killed Zeles' ghost
  1770 | D:3      | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms
  1770 | D:3      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  1770 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 25/46 MP: 6/6
  1958 | D:3      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  2209 | D:3      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  2221 | D:3      | Noticed a wizard
  2226 | D:3      | Killed a wizard
  2380 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [potion of mutation]
  2380 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You tend to lose your temper in combat. [potion of mutation]
  2380 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You can breathe flames. [potion of mutation]
  2707 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  2735 | D:4      | Noticed Edmund
  3108 | D:3      | Killed Edmund
  3108 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  3108 | D:3      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 27/52 MP: 7/7
  3454 | D:4      | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms
  3466 | D:4      | Noticed Sigmund
  3476 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3587 | D:5      | Noticed Enreas' ghost (average DEWz)
  4104 | D:5      | Killed Enreas' ghost
  4104 | D:5      | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms
  4104 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 39/58 MP: 8/8
  4721 | D:6      | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms
  5128 | D:6      | Noticed Natasha
  5137 | D:6      | Killed Natasha
  5178 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 40/63 MP: 9/9
  5340 | D:6      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  5370 | D:6      | Noticed Natasha
  5383 | D:6      | Killed Natasha
  5519 | D:6      | Noticed Natasha
  5522 | D:6      | Killed Natasha
  5577 | D:6      | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms
  6064 | D:7      | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms
  6064 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
  6502 | D:8      | Noticed Conles' ghost (experienced NaWz)
  6971 | D:8      | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms
  7060 | D:7      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 70/70 MP: 10/10
  7301 | D:7      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  7323 | D:7      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  7405 | D:4      | Killed Sigmund
  7505 | D:4      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  7879 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  7905 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8276 | D:8      | Noticed a hill giant
  8650 | D:7      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  9190 | D:8      | Killed Conles' ghost
  9345 | D:8      | Reached skill level 16 in Polearms
  9654 | D:9      | Acquired Okawaru's first power
 10145 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10184 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 51/78 MP: 11/11
 10406 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 10756 | D:9      | Noticed an ice dragon
 11083 | D:8      | Killed a hill giant
 11083 | D:8      | Reached skill level 17 in Polearms
 11293 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 11410 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 11430 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 11601 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11622 | D:10     | Paralysed by a yellow wasp for 1 turns
 11868 | D:10     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 12661 | D:10     | Noticed Grum
 12669 | D:10     | Killed Grum


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Trident           |   184 |   169 |    98 |       ||   451
       Spear             |       |       |   590 |   920 ||  1510
       Unarmed           |       |       |     3 |       ||     3
Throw: Dart              |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
 Abil: Breathe Fire      |       |     2 |     1 |     3 ||     6
       Blink             |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
  Use: Scroll            |       |     4 |     5 |    17 ||    26
       Potion            |       |     6 |     6 |     2 ||    14
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |     1 |     1 |    11 ||    13
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     2 ||     2




[moocowmoocow]

Unless I already had the big 3 wands with ample charges/recharge scrolls then I would not trade acquirement for trove. I don't know the exact math but acquirement seems to have very high chance to give you one of those wands, whereas trove in my experience is a major crapshoot.

[KoboldLord]

I've gotten the wand-themed trove and still not gotten the wand of hasting that I wanted from it. Although I paid the tab on that one with a cruddy shop item that I wouldn't have used anyway, so no regrets on my part.

[Sprucery]

Unless that stack of two unidentified scrolls is acquirement*, you should definitely use the first scroll you'll find immediately and not wait to get a second one (which might even never happen).

*And even if it is, you should probably still just read those scrolls.

[EntropicMage]

I used a scroll of acquirement and got an awesome buckler. Protection, +3 Str, +3 Dex. Survival is more important.

Unfortunately the character died when ambushed by Rupert.